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iMac Refurbished 20" 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 320gb HD - £659.68 + 3% Quidco
iMac Refurbished 20" 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 320gb HD - £659.68 + 3% Quidco

iMac Refurbished 20" 2.4 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 320gb HD - £659.68 + 3% Quidco

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First post! Just purchased a Refurbished iMac from the Apple UK Store.

Bigger HD than the current iMac 2.4Ghz (250 - 320), and with free shipping, £59 off voucher (says £69, but shows up on Apple as £59), and Quidco, you can get a very decent machine for about £640.

Get an extra gig of RAM from Crucial for about £15.

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Looks like a good price. I'll stick with my cheap dell PC though.

That's cheap for a MAC. However compare the hardware spec with any PC from Dell, Mesh, Fujitsu, HP etc... and you'll see how much of a premium you pay for the Apple name and MAC OS. Plus it's not any good for games, unless you dual boot it with Windows. Then you may as well have bought a cheaper better specified PC in the first place..! Not that I don't like Apple stuff, I do. But I just think there hardware are really overpriced.

Oh dear, it's all going to kick off again.......

As a very happy Dell owner (father of 4 Dells so far), I think I'll just stand back and watch the usual fireworks.

Very good price for a better than pc machine . Now really , who said mac's can't play games on it's own operating system ? Not true .

Great deal

ICTHUS;2581667

That's cheap for a MAC. However compare the hardware spec with any PC … That's cheap for a MAC. However compare the hardware spec with any PC from Dell, Mesh, Fujitsu, HP etc... and you'll see how much of a premium you pay for the Apple name and MAC OS. Plus it's not any good for games, unless you dual boot it with Windows. Then you may as well have bought a cheaper better specified PC in the first place..! Not that I don't like Apple stuff, I do. But I just think there hardware are really overpriced.



Taking a shortsighted view, yes Mac's are expensive although the difference is minimal these days. But I think you'll find total cost of ownership is lower on average for macs, as in all things you get what you pay for.

ICTHUS;2581667

That's cheap for a MAC. However compare the hardware spec with any PC … That's cheap for a MAC. However compare the hardware spec with any PC from Dell, Mesh, Fujitsu, HP etc... and you'll see how much of a premium you pay for the Apple name and MAC OS. Plus it's not any good for games, unless you dual boot it with Windows. Then you may as well have bought a cheaper better specified PC in the first place..! Not that I don't like Apple stuff, I do. But I just think there hardware are really overpriced.



Not quite true, add in your anti virus, anti spyware, firewalls tax each year to your cost. Then add your frustration & getting someone to sort out your machine when it goes wrong and finally the fact you loose processing power & memory to these applications.

Do this over a 5 year period and there is no real difference, except you didn't go through the hassle.

And yes you can get free software to do the above bit but peace of mind is priceless.

My machine is connect 24/7 to the net on cable. Since I had my mac (over 3 years) I never have had an problems from a hardware or software point of view.

Games, granted more readily available for windows, and at times when I'm forced to use windows because the software is not available for the mac I will.

For those who want a mac but can't afford one there is always

wiki.osx86project.org/wik…age

Mac Powah !

Voted hot.

BTW, I will never return to a windows machine......ever

Adidas Addict;2582516

Voted hot.BTW, I will never return to a windows machine......ever



I agree!!!! :thumbsup:

Ok, to the mac fanboys good luck, whenever you have a problem with your machine you know were to go because that the only place, apple workshop and they will charge you as much as new one to fix it, in the other hand you have a PC and have a problem you can fix it yourself for next to nothing, i can tell i just have a lovely 2 and half apple mac 20" sitting at home with faulty Logic board and it will cost £600 to repair because the only source for spare parts is the maker and i can't use anything else

Mnaoloinferno;2582781

Ok, to the mac fanboys good luck, whenever you have a problem with your … Ok, to the mac fanboys good luck, whenever you have a problem with your machine you know were to go because that the only place, apple workshop and they will charge you as much as new one to fix it, in the other hand you have a PC and have a problem you can fix it yourself for next to nothing, i can tell i just have a lovely 2 and half apple mac 20" sitting at home with faulty Logic board and it will cost £600 to repair because the only source for spare parts is the maker and i can't use anything else




Just because someone chooses a mac over a pc doesn't make them a mac fanboy.

Yes you are kind of correct that if you get a problem it will cost more to repair than a standard windows pc However there are other companies that will repair them so you are not always at the mercy of Apple.

Finally not everyone can fix their own pc, if they could places like pcworld, Currys etc would not sell pc's since people would just order their own components and build their own machines.

But overall I agree the initial outlay is more, but as stated over the long run you come out even.

jukkie;2581966

Oh dear, it's all going to kick off again.......As a very happy Dell … Oh dear, it's all going to kick off again.......As a very happy Dell owner (father of 4 Dells so far), I think I'll just stand back and watch the usual fireworks.

See coments like that scare me into going to Dell. I keep seeing them and it always seem to be ive had X amounts of Dells how many years have these 4 laptops/desktops been over as I want a laptop but my HP desktop is still going good after 5 years and about 2 years of them it has hardly been turned off.

If you could legally put OSX onto another machine I would do this, its not so much the beautiful hardware but the 'just works' side of the operating system.

Adidas Addict;2585234

If you could legally put OSX onto another machine I would do this, its … If you could legally put OSX onto another machine I would do this, its not so much the beautiful hardware but the 'just works' side of the operating system.




As you are aware you can put the mac os on a (some ) windows machines (with some tinkering).

wiki.osx86project.org/wik…age

As for the legal side of things I'm not sure. If you have bought the OS legit and use it on a non authorised device I'm not sure where you stand. :thinking:

Gboab;2582007

Very good price for a better than pc machine . Now really , who said … Very good price for a better than pc machine . Now really , who said mac's can't play games on it's own operating system ? Not true .



Not true? Well, I'm currently enjoying Neverwinter Nights 2 and Team Fortress 2. Are you saying I could enjoy those games like those on OS X?

aty;2582124

Not quite true, add in your anti virus, anti spyware, firewalls tax each … Not quite true, add in your anti virus, anti spyware, firewalls tax each year to your cost. Then add your frustration & getting someone to sort out your machine when it goes wrong and finally the fact you loose processing power & memory to these applications.Games, granted more readily available for windows, and at times when I'm forced to use windows because the software is not available for the mac I will.



Lose processing power and memory? That may have been true ten years ago but on modern systems the amount a good AV/firewall uses is negligible. About 10MBs of memory and 10 seconds per hour of CPU time.

On an iMac you also have the hardware costs. I've just replaced a monitor that had been going ten years and had served three PCs. If you switch to iMacs you have to buy a new monitor with every single PC (there's no video input on an iMac)

And as in your case, you may need a copy of windows because some programs aren't availible for mac which adds another cost.

There's also the cost of the OS upgrades. Windows XP came out in 2001 and it's still the most widely used windows OS. Owners haven't had to pay anything for it's various updates and service packs. Is that the case with OS X?

Oh, and would you care to show me a mac-labeled £11 wireless keyboard or mac compatible £18 TV tuner?

It would be interesting to see a serious study done but I suspect that with all things considered a mac is going to be more expensive to own.

As for 'it just works' that's nonsense. What about the screen dimming that happens just as you start to read a long article? Or the wierd mouse acceleration? Neither of which can be turned off through the GUI, and the mouse acceleration seems like it might be impossible to turn off at all. How about time machine and network drives?

OS X isn't bad and does some things very well but it has it's fair share of annoyances and I wouldn't say it's significantly better than Windows or Linux.

EndlessWaves;2587674

Not true? Well, I'm currently enjoying Neverwinter Nights 2 and Team … Not true? Well, I'm currently enjoying Neverwinter Nights 2 and Team Fortress 2. Are you saying I could enjoy those games like those on OS X?



Yes on both counts, NWN2 has a native version and TF2 can run through Crossover.

EndlessWaves;2587674

Lose processing power and memory? That may have been true ten years ago … Lose processing power and memory? That may have been true ten years ago but on modern systems the amount a good AV/firewall uses is negligible. About 10MBs of memory and 10 seconds per hour of CPU time.



A full security suite (Anti-Virus, Firewall, Anti-Spyware etc.) is a significant drain on system resources compared to other background processes, particularly when performing a scan. Which any smart user should be doing regularly.

EndlessWaves;2587674

On an iMac you also have the hardware costs. I've just replaced a monitor … On an iMac you also have the hardware costs. I've just replaced a monitor that had been going ten years and had served three PCs. If you switch to iMacs you have to buy a new monitor with every single PC (there's no video input on an iMac)



Macs have a much longer desktop lifetime than PC's. The fact of the matter is most PC users go through several machines and various bits of hardware in the lifetime of a mac. I use both and have seen plenty of evidence suporting that. Plus Apple service and support is second to none, unlike Dell et al. who are nororious for poor customer service.

EndlessWaves;2587674

And as in your case, you may need a copy of windows because some programs … And as in your case, you may need a copy of windows because some programs aren't availible for mac which adds another cost.



Granted, but with the money saved on anti-virus, office (which is considerably cheaper on OSX), etc. etc. you can afford multiple copies of Windows :thumbsup:

EndlessWaves;2587674

There's also the cost of the OS upgrades. Windows XP came out in 2001 and … There's also the cost of the OS upgrades. Windows XP came out in 2001 and it's still the most widely used windows OS. Owners haven't had to pay anything for it's various updates and service packs. Is that the case with OS X?



********, OS updates are ALWAYS free, upgrades however just like Windows will cost. But they cost a LOT less with OSX. Just because Apple use a different numbering system for separate versions of OSX and update slightly more often does not mean that 10.4 to 10.5 is not as significant as XP to Vista in many ways.

EndlessWaves;2587674

Oh, and would you care to show me a mac-labeled £11 wireless keyboard or … Oh, and would you care to show me a mac-labeled £11 wireless keyboard or mac compatible £18 TV tuner?



It'll take any wireless keyboard a Windows machine will and USB TV tuners just need OSX drivers.

EndlessWaves;2587674

It would be interesting to see a serious study done but I suspect that … It would be interesting to see a serious study done but I suspect that with all things considered a mac is going to be more expensive to own.



Google is your friend. I've read plenty of serious studies stating that either Macs cost roughly the same as or less than PC's in the long run. I've never come across one stating PC's are cheaper, I have however read plenty of baseless claims to that effect. It seems a myth about the expense of Macs have been propagated and just wont go away.

EndlessWaves;2587674

As for 'it just works' that's nonsense. What about the screen dimming … As for 'it just works' that's nonsense. What about the screen dimming that happens just as you start to read a long article?



System Preferences > Display > Uncheck "Automatically adjust brightness as ambient light changes" - Easy

EndlessWaves;2587674

Or the wierd mouse acceleration?



System Preferences > Keyboard and Mouse - All your mousey needs catered for, Easy

EndlessWaves;2587674

Neither of which can be turned off through the GUI, and the mouse … Neither of which can be turned off through the GUI, and the mouse acceleration seems like it might be impossible to turn off at all. How about time machine and network drives?



It's perfectly possible to use time machine with network drives, it's just takes a bit of setting up as it's a use at your own risk facility.

EndlessWaves;2587674

OS X isn't bad and does some things very well but it has it's fair share … OS X isn't bad and does some things very well but it has it's fair share of annoyances and I wouldn't say it's significantly better than Windows or Linux.



There are a few annoyances, yes. But they're far outweighed by the advantages, take file copying as an example. OSX warns you before hand if there's not enough space to complete the copy. Windows on the other hand gets 80% though then throws a fit, and doesn't even bother letting you know which files it has and hasn't copied.

Well in this case yes the monitor is part of the built in package, but you can always buy a mac mini or power mac which come without a monitor.

A proper virus scan should check every file as it goes in and out of memory otherwise you are using some sort of "clever" method detecting the virus which isn't smart.

This will cause a drag on performance whatever figure you want to put on it.

I have a TV tuner for the mac, cost £18. It's a haupauge win-tv nova-t & works a treat.

Just because it doesn't state it's mac compatible doesn't mean it isn't. Yes it will require a bit of research but some windows products work on the mac.

The screen & mouse issue tbh never noticed probably because it's never bothered me.

As for paying for upgrades. Yes you have to pay for the next version of the OS as you do with ms called vista. Do you pay for updates/service packs on a mac ? No they are free as they are on windows.

No one forces users to move to the new os, they do so because they want to.

By your own figure it took ms 7 years (2001) to get a replacement for xp out, yet you seem to think that's a good thing whereas most didn't.

But I agree there will be some annoyances in each system. Windows is fine until it goes wrong & for me it always does within a couple of months, but never on my mac.

Anyway everyone has there own view. Funny thing is I don't see Mac user in any of the pc deals going "don't but it windows pc buy a mac".

Yet when a mac deal is posted it's "don't buy a mac buy a pc", "mac tax", "designer tax" etc.

I think that really shows where the real insecurity lies.

End of my input on this...... signing out

aty;2588295

Well in this case yes the monitor is part of the built in package, but … Well in this case yes the monitor is part of the built in package, but you can always buy a mac mini or power mac which come without a monitor.



The mac mini is a basic machine with integrated graphics and a small hard drive and the mac pro is expensive. Neither are a direct alternative for an iMac.

aty;2588295

A proper virus scan should check every file as it goes in and out of … A proper virus scan should check every file as it goes in and out of memory otherwise you are using some sort of "clever" method detecting the virus which isn't smart.This will cause a drag on performance whatever figure you want to put on it.



In the nine years or so I've had a PC I've not had a single virus (although four or five false positives), I don't see any need to run that sort of brute-force virus scan. If you do need really good security then connecting to the internet at all is a bad idea whether you're on a PC or a mac.

aty;2588295

I have a TV tuner for the mac, cost £18. It's a haupauge win-tv nova-t & … I have a TV tuner for the mac, cost £18. It's a haupauge win-tv nova-t & works a treat. Just because it doesn't state it's mac compatible doesn't mean it isn't. Yes it will require a bit of research but some windows products work on the mac.



I wasn't aware of that, but how simple is the research? Does anyone maintain databases or do you just have to hope you can find someone else who's tried it? And if you do want to be sure then it costs a lot more.

aty;2588295

As for paying for upgrades. Yes you have to pay for the next version of … As for paying for upgrades. Yes you have to pay for the next version of the OS as you do with ms called vista. Do you pay for updates/service packs on a mac ? No they are free as they are on windows.By your own figure it took ms 7 years (2001) to get a replacement for xp out, yet you seem to think that's a good thing whereas most didn't.



My point wasn't that the new versions cost money but that in the same time frame as windows has produced one new version OS X has had five.

I do think that only having to pay for a new OS every five years is a good thing, it is one of the big advantages of windows. (Linux is even better :D)

aty;2588295

Anyway everyone has there own view. Funny thing is I don't see Mac user … Anyway everyone has there own view. Funny thing is I don't see Mac user in any of the pc deals going "don't but it windows pc buy a mac".Yet when a mac deal is posted it's "don't buy a mac buy a pc", "mac tax", "designer tax" etc.I think that really shows where the real insecurity lies.



That's because here they'd get banned for spamming if they put it in every PC offer. I've seen plenty of threads where people are looking to get a new PC with 'get a mac' comments though. I'm surprised you haven't.

megalomaniac;2588140

Yes on both counts, NWN2 has a native version and TF2 can run through … Yes on both counts, NWN2 has a native version and TF2 can run through Crossover.



How well does crossover work?

megalomaniac;2588140

Macs have a much longer desktop lifetime than PC's. The fact of the … Macs have a much longer desktop lifetime than PC's. The fact of the matter is most PC users go through several machines and various bits of hardware in the lifetime of a mac. I use both and have seen plenty of evidence suporting that. Plus Apple service and support is second to none, unlike Dell et al. who are nororious for poor customer service.



I think the youngest a PC has ever been replaced in this house is after six years of use (gaming machines excepted)

megalomaniac;2588140

Google is your friend. I've read plenty of serious studies stating that … Google is your friend. I've read plenty of serious studies stating that either Macs cost roughly the same as or less than PC's in the long run. I've never come across one stating PC's are cheaper, I have however read plenty of baseless claims to that effect. It seems a myth about the expense of Macs have been propagated and just wont go away.



I had a quick search but the only argument I could see was that the retail value of macs is higher, which is true. Most of the rest was either out of date, links to results I'd already seen or irrelevent. If you've read plenty perhaps you could link to a few?

megalomaniac;2588140

System Preferences Keyboard and Mouse - All your mousey needs catered … System Preferences > Keyboard and Mouse - All your mousey needs catered for, Easy



Which doesn't offer any option to disable acceleration, indeed it doesn't even let you control the acceleration independant to the sensitivity. Unless they've added it in 10.5.4, I haven't checked lately.

Voted hot.

So, if its £660.00 second hand how much are they to buy brand new?

I would never drop nearly £700 on a piece of electronics equipment that wasnt brand new no matter how brilliant it was alleged to be.

I dont have a mac and I have never used a mac good luck to those that do but I cannot see how this can possibly be a hot deal when its 2nd hand?

Refurbs = 2nd Hand. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Call refurbs what you like. I've bought 'new' and refurb items from Apple and I wouldn't buy 'new' again (unless it was a bargain). You get the same warranty and it's been tested as working and in my experience is identical to the retail version in everything except price and occasionally packaging.

Where's nihcaj? This must be the only refurb thread he hasn't posted in ;-)

Dear Mr Echo;2597103

Refurbs = 2nd Hand. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Call refurbs what you like. … Refurbs = 2nd Hand. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Call refurbs what you like. I've bought 'new' and refurb items from Apple and I wouldn't buy 'new' again (unless it was a bargain). You get the same warranty and it's been tested as working and in my experience is identical to the retail version in everything except price and occasionally packaging.Where's nihcaj? This must be the only refurb thread he hasn't posted in ;-)



And the minor inconvenience that has been bought and owned by someone else. People can dress this up any way they like. Its not a brand new product. What you have said there would indicate that they are so highly priced when new that they are not worth buying.

I dont care if its a mac or a PC or a TV or anything else, a refurb is a 2nd hand product that has been tarted up for sale again.

Btw this isnt an attack on macs as such, its an attack on retaillers having the gaul to charge a fortune for second hand goods and getting away with it.

I cannot see where the discount code is entered on teh site as after you have added to basket and go through checkout there is only a prompt for card details and nowhere to add voucher.

Can anyone help?

Original Poster

The discount code is entered on the same page as the payment details.

Received my iMac yesterday, perfect condition, as always the case with apple refurbs, brand new keyboard, mouse, etc. and iMac literally as good as new.

Also came with extra RAM, 2gb, as is often the case with Apple refurbs.
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