Intel Core I5 4460 240gb SSD 8gb 1600Mhz GTX 960 2gb Galaxy R Gaming Computer £519 @ freshtechsolutions
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Intel Core I5 4460 240gb SSD 8gb 1600Mhz GTX 960 2gb Galaxy R Gaming Computer £519 @ freshtechsolutions

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Found 11th Sep 2015
I received some really good advice on what sort of gaming PC I should get for my son (11th birthday in a couple of weeks) in response to another post here a few weeks ago, which pointed me towards this sort of specification: Intel Core I5 4460 240gb SSD 8gb 1600Mhz GTX 960 2gb (the numbers will mean something to the sort of people that read gaming threads, I'm quite new to this). A bit more research led me to FreshTech, which had exactly what I was looking for, on the shelf. I added up the cost of the individual bits and stopped counting when it got past £519.
FreshTech were a really easy firm to deal with, they accept PayPal so there was no need to fill in any details and the PC turned up in only 2 days (although being a tightwad I'd ticked the free 5 day delivery option). Again being a tightwad, I'd ordered the PC with no OS, so I was pleasantly surprised to find a set up copy of Windows 7 on the SSD so all I had to do was type in the £20 key code I'd bought from ITrevive (also recommended) and so save £59 over the cost of having it pre-installed. In the box were a couple of DVDs with drivers for the motherboard (Gigabyte) and GPU (Zotac), which were both pretty easy to install.
The PC is really fast and quiet, and most importantly (for my 11 year old son) it has really cool switchable LED lights, a transparent panel and fans that light up. Wow, I wish these had been around when I was 11 (I had to make do with a hoop and a stick).
In my humble opinion: really good value and service for £519.
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Well I think it looks good value, but I am sure others will have different opinions.
chapchap

Well I think it looks good value, but I am sure others will have … Well I think it looks good value, but I am sure others will have different opinions.




yeah this thread is about to go nuts with people saying buy this buy that build it yourself etc, and its gonna be boring,

ive voted hot

this time last year i bought a gaming pc from dinopc and since have upgraded most parts as i didnt want to build one myself from scratch
just noticed your the one who posted about the alienware deal the other week
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fattyuk

yeah this thread is about to go nuts with people saying buy this buy that … yeah this thread is about to go nuts with people saying buy this buy that build it yourself etc, and its gonna be boring,ive voted hot :)this time last year i bought a gaming pc from dinopc and since have upgraded most parts as i didnt want to build one myself from scratch


I suspect there may be many commentators advocating self builds, but I couldn't make the sum of the parts come to less than £519, and it has saved me quite a lot of time (and risk) in putting it together. I suspect this machine will get upgraded a bit (I thought I might add a hard disk because my son's games will soon use up 250GB and 1TB hard disks are really cheap).
Alan
fattyuk

yeah this thread is about to go nuts with people saying buy this buy that … yeah this thread is about to go nuts with people saying buy this buy that build it yourself etc, and its gonna be boring,ive voted hot :)this time last year i bought a gaming pc from dinopc and since have upgraded most parts as i didnt want to build one myself from scratch



Yes but they will let us know they can make it better,cheaper themselves. I work in IT but do I want to make a PC myself ? No. If I was a chef would I want to come home and cook for everyone? No. Or would a gynaecologist want to come home and face another ***** ?
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fattyuk

just noticed your the one who posted about the alienware deal the other … just noticed your the one who posted about the alienware deal the other week


Yes indeed, that was from something of a standing start regarding gaming PCs, I got some really good advice from that post.
Looks ok, there is no cooler but that is why they did put on the K chip, so no overclocking... Which is at odds at them saying overclocking potential
Edited by: "Aeschylus" 11th Sep 2015
Aeschylus

Looks ok, there is no cooler but that is why they did put on the K chip, … Looks ok, there is no cooler but that is why they did put on the K chip, so no overclocking... Which is at odds at them saying overclocking potential



its for an 11yr old who probalay just wants to play minecraft
I full admit to being one of the build it yourself guys but this is a damn good deal mobo could be better and it only has a stock cooler which will be loud under load but over all its a very descent build for the price. Oh and it does not have an OS but you can pick up the keys for windows 7/8/8.1 for around £25
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fattyuk

its for an 11yr old who probalay just wants to play minecraft


Yes, Minecraft is his favourite game, he has another called Ark Evolved (or something similar).
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Mememo

I full admit to being one of the build it yourself guys but this is a … I full admit to being one of the build it yourself guys but this is a damn good deal mobo could be better and it only has a stock cooler which will be loud under load but over all its a very descent build for the price. Oh and it does not have an OS but you can pick up the keys for windows 7/8/8.1 for around £25


Yes, the Windows 7 key was only £20 delivered (from ITrevive).
Decent but right now you should be buying AMD radeon rather than Nvidea. I would take a r9 380 or even r9 280 over a gtx 960 anyday because of the performance boost AMD cards will get over Nvidea ones when dx12 comes out. So just keep that in mind. Might be worth waiting it out and seeing what actually happens.
othen

Yes, Minecraft is his favourite game, he has another called Ark Evolved … Yes, Minecraft is his favourite game, he has another called Ark Evolved (or something similar).



ah, ark evolved is where your gonna want a good setup
perrynomial

Decent but right now you should be buying AMD radeon rather than Nvidea. … Decent but right now you should be buying AMD radeon rather than Nvidea. I would take a r9 380 or even r9 280 over a gtx 960 anyday because of the performance boost AMD cards will get over Nvidea ones when dx12 comes out. So just keep that in mind. Might be worth waiting it out and seeing what actually happens.


I prefer decent driver support so go for Nvidia myself.
chapchap

I prefer decent driver support so go for Nvidia myself.



Well you can choose what you like, I'm just saying that people should research these things now before they buy. If radeons do get the kind of performance boost people are talking about then surely they are a better buy at this stage.
I remember the OP's comments in the last thread from this company and when ark evolved got mentioned it pretty much turn out how good or how bad the graphics can be on it with their selected graphic cards!
For what you were after from the previous thread, you've not done too badly with this one. And the pricing is pretty reasonable.

For the builders out there the markup on some of the components seems a little high, but for the general consumer this looks to be a pretty decent build.

I was taught to never use the stock cooler, but in those days chips ran hotter and coolers weren't as good. I would still recommend ditching the stock one for something a bit more heavy duty for the long run.

And to anyone else looking to buy this, I would recommend spending the extra amount on a gtx 970 for a bit more future proofing.
this PC looks should be quite fast
although I'd prefer it with 16 GB memory
if you spend this amount on a PC it should have more memory
8gb is old school now
perrynomial

Decent but right now you should be buying AMD radeon rather than Nvidea. … Decent but right now you should be buying AMD radeon rather than Nvidea. I would take a r9 380 or even r9 280 over a gtx 960 anyday because of the performance boost AMD cards will get over Nvidea ones when dx12 comes out. So just keep that in mind. Might be worth waiting it out and seeing what actually happens.



There's 1 DX12 game that's in Alpha or Beta right now that's sponsored by AMD and is an RTS. How can you use that as a basis to buy AMD GPU's only for DX12?
rev6

There's 1 DX12 game that's in Alpha or Beta right now that's sponsored by … There's 1 DX12 game that's in Alpha or Beta right now that's sponsored by AMD and is an RTS. How can you use that as a basis to buy AMD GPU's only for DX12?



Exactly, give it 6 months and we'll have a better idea, but that won't make all of the dx11 games that already exist magically better anyway (except for things like ark ofc). If you're buying a card now, buy the one that's going to give you the best fps for the money on the games you actually play, anything else is akin to speculating on the stock market.

Despite that, I do own 3 amd cards so hope it all turns out to be true hehe
Bobbith

Exactly, give it 6 months and we'll have a better idea, but that won't … Exactly, give it 6 months and we'll have a better idea, but that won't make all of the dx11 games that already exist magically better anyway (except for things like ark ofc). If you're buying a card now, buy the one that's going to give you the best fps for the money on the games you actually play, anything else is akin to speculating on the stock market.Despite that, I do own 3 amd cards so hope it all turns out to be true hehe



It's too early to tell as you said. There's a lot of talk about Async compute but without games to compare then you can only speculate.

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fattyuk

ah, ark evolved is where your gonna want a good setup



You need a supercomputer to run Ark, it's so horribly optimised.

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andreasuk

this PC looks should be quite fastalthough I'd prefer it with 16 GB … this PC looks should be quite fastalthough I'd prefer it with 16 GB memoryif you spend this amount on a PC it should have more memory8gb is old school now



8GB is plenty for most tasks. Gaming, Internet browsing and general usage won't take it above 8GB and the only time you'll need more is if you are video editing (and even still it's not a necessity).
SSD is Kingston V300...just to stoke the fire
nhs007

SSD is Kingston V300...just to stoke the fire


That's a shame, why is any PC builder supplying those pieces of crap? the Sandisk is mega cheap at the moment so probably better.
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nhs007

SSD is Kingston V300...just to stoke the fire


Is there something wrong with a Kingston V300? I thought a SSD would be a good idea?
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reubenno

CommentWhen I asked this question previously the answer was that my son … CommentWhen I asked this question previously the answer was that my son would not need 10GB of RAM (he had 16GB is his previous PC) because it would make no difference to PC games...8GB is plenty for most tasks. Gaming, Internet browsing and general usage won't take it above 8GB and the only time you'll need more is if you are video editing (and even still it's not a necessity).


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reubenno

CommentYou need a supercomputer to run Ark, it's so horribly optimised.


I have no idea how to play Ark Evolved, but I downloaded it for my son last night (it took a couple of hours!) and it all seems to work okay (to me). How would I know if it is working well (I suppose the answer is my son will tell me on his birthday...)?
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joshbaboo

For what you were after from the previous thread, you've not done too … For what you were after from the previous thread, you've not done too badly with this one. And the pricing is pretty reasonable.For the builders out there the markup on some of the components seems a little high, but for the general consumer this looks to be a pretty decent build.I was taught to never use the stock cooler, but in those days chips ran hotter and coolers weren't as good. I would still recommend ditching the stock one for something a bit more heavy duty for the long run.And to anyone else looking to buy this, I would recommend spending the extra amount on a gtx 970 for a bit more future proofing.


Hi Josh,
I think you were one of those that gave me some advice on what to buy for my son previously, thank you for that.
The GPU has some software that reports the temperature it is running at, what temperature should this be (so I can work out whether I need to add another cooler)?
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spannerzone

That's a shame, why is any PC builder supplying those pieces of crap? the … That's a shame, why is any PC builder supplying those pieces of crap? the Sandisk is mega cheap at the moment so probably better.


Why is the Kingston V300 a 'piece of crap'? It seems to run fine, it boots up really quickly and is much quieter than the previous hard drive. Is it unreliable perhaps? If so surely it would be covered by the warranty?
othen

Why is the Kingston V300 a 'piece of crap'? It seems to run fine, it … Why is the Kingston V300 a 'piece of crap'? It seems to run fine, it boots up really quickly and is much quieter than the previous hard drive. Is it unreliable perhaps? If so surely it would be covered by the warranty?


OK maybe that was a little unfair comment, but the problem with the V300 series is that Kingston changed the design soon after releasing it, once the reviewers had given it glowing reviews, they changed the design to a much inferior design and performance. Some feel Kingston were very deceitful about this and I agree. So while it will work better than a regular spinning hard drive, it's a relatively poorly performing SSD compared to its rivals.

extremetech.com/ext…ews
anandtech.com/sho…and

I'm just puzzled that a well known poorly received item like the V300 would be bundled with this, I'm surprised anyone actually stocks the V300 due to the bad press it gets when a similarly cheap priced Sandisk would be better.


Edited by: "spannerzone" 12th Sep 2015
reubenno

Comment8GB is plenty for most tasks. Gaming, Internet browsing and … Comment8GB is plenty for most tasks. Gaming, Internet browsing and general usage won't take it above 8GB and the only time you'll need more is if you are video editing (and even still it's not a necessity).



Just loaded up GTA 5. 6500MB system commit charge just loading the game. That gives me about 1.5GB remaining without a pagefile but it only shows 3900MB memory used.
A lot of people don't pay attention to commit charge, virtual address (commit charge) is much more important than "memory used" in the task manager.

As I was typing the above, commit charge has climbed to 7100MB used. That's about 900MB RAM left without pagefile.



Edited by: "rev6" 12th Sep 2015
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rev6

Just loaded up GTA 5. 6700MB commit charge just loading the game. That … Just loaded up GTA 5. 6700MB commit charge just loading the game. That gives me about 1.5GB remaining without a pagefile but it only shows 3900MB memory used.A lot of people don't pay attention to commit charge, virtual address (commit charge) is much more important than "memory used" in the task manager.As I was typing the above, commit charge has climbed to 7100MB used. That's about 800MB RAM left without pagefile.


Thank you for that. It would seem that adding a second 8gb DDR3 1600mhz RAM chip would be a really easy and cheap (just over £30 delivered) thing to do. I recall from the previous thread I started (where I was looking for advice from PC games) that the consensus was that 8GB was fine and 16GB superfluous.
I have not built a PC since the 1990s, when 4MB was considered a great deal, so it seems quite bizarre that we are discussing whether a computer that an ordinary 11 year old can have in his home should have 2000 or 4000 times as much (and at the same time whether it needs 1TB of storage, which would have been about as much as the MoD owned at that time!).
othen

Thank you for that. It would seem that adding a second 8gb DDR3 1600mhz … Thank you for that. It would seem that adding a second 8gb DDR3 1600mhz RAM chip would be a really easy and cheap (just over £30 delivered) thing to do. I recall from the previous thread I started (where I was looking for advice from PC games) that the consensus was that 8GB was fine and 16GB superfluous.I have not built a PC since the 1990s, when 4MB was considered a great deal, so it seems quite bizarre that we are discussing whether a computer that an ordinary 11 year old can have in his home should have 2000 or 4000 times as much (and at the same time whether it needs 1TB of storage, which would have been about as much as the MoD owned at that time!).



No problem. Pagefile is enabled by default on Windows and people only pay attention to "memory used".
You can play games with 4GB of RAM but it will be very much reliant on the pagefile. I know I'd rather pay another £30 or so and have the game running completely on the RAM as it should.
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spannerzone

OK maybe that was a little unfair comment, but the problem with the V300 … OK maybe that was a little unfair comment, but the problem with the V300 series is that Kingston changed the design soon after releasing it, once the reviewers had given it glowing reviews, they changed the design to a much inferior design and performance. Some feel Kingston were very deceitful about this and I agree. So while it will work better than a regular spinning hard drive, it's a relatively poorly performing SSD compared to its rivals.http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184253-ssd-shadiness-kingston-and-pny-caught-bait-and-switching-cheaper-components-after-good-reviewshttp://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-kingston-ssdnow-v300-a-switch-to-slower-micron-nandI'm just puzzled that a well known poorly received item like the V300 would be bundled with this, I'm surprised anyone actually stocks the V300 due to the bad press it gets when a similarly cheap priced Sandisk would be better.


Thank you for that. I was not aware of poor reviews on the Kingston solid state disk, and thought it was a reputable company. The SSD fitted is certainly a big step forward from a hard disk drive, much faster and quieter, although saying that I suspect I will very soon have to fit a secondary hard disk as the games I am downloading from my son's Steam account for him are huge!
Looks good deal op and sounds like you are learning a lot about pcs and have done some good research.
Any pc set up will not please all "pc experts/enthusiasts " as everyones tastes are different. Even if you spent thousands ,someone would disagree.
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rev6

No problem. Pagefile is enabled by default on Windows and people only pay … No problem. Pagefile is enabled by default on Windows and people only pay attention to "memory used".You can play games with 4GB of RAM but it will be very much reliant on the pagefile. I know I'd rather pay another £30 or so and have the game running completely on the RAM as it should.


Yes, I understand. Pagefile would seem to be the same as a swapfile in DOS parlance. As it would be a cheap upgrade I'll probably get another 8gb DDR3 1600mhz chip and put that in some time when my son isn't looking.
othen

Yes, I understand. Pagefile would seem to be the same as a swapfile in … Yes, I understand. Pagefile would seem to be the same as a swapfile in DOS parlance. As it would be a cheap upgrade I'll probably get another 8gb DDR3 1600mhz chip and put that in some time when my son isn't looking.



Yes, pagefile/swapfile is the same
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lugsy3

Looks good deal op and sounds like you are learning a lot about pcs and … Looks good deal op and sounds like you are learning a lot about pcs and have done some good research. Any pc set up will not please all "pc experts/enthusiasts " as everyones tastes are different. Even if you spent thousands ,someone would disagree.


Yes Lugsy, I have discovered that! I think it is the same in any specialist area, I notice that in cycling (I'm much more comfortable with bikes than gaming computers) it is exactly the same: someone will dislike his mate's £5,000 road bike because the seat post isn't the right sort of carbon fibre.
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Whilst here I might as well ask a question of you experienced gamers. I had not appreciated quite how large PC games were and my son's solid state drive is filling up with content from his Steam account quite quickly. I suspect I'll have to add a conventional hard drive about 2 days after his birthday and like all components there is a bewildering array of products on the market. Would this item be suitable:
ebuyer.com/319…wcB
It is only £37 delivered and would seem to meet the need (1TB of storage and from a reputable supplier).
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