Intel Pentium G4560 Dual Core 4 Threads 3.5ghz lga1151 Kaby lake £52.96 @ cclonline
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Intel Pentium G4560 Dual Core 4 Threads 3.5ghz lga1151 Kaby lake £52.96 @ cclonline

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Found 27th Mar 2017
The best cpu for the money right now not far off the performance of the i3-6100

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Such a great budget cpu this.
Perfect for a gaming htpc.
Great value.
Was going to suggest the G4600 because of the HD630 which is a much faster IGP but the premium (at least from CCL) is too much since that costs £78, or nearly 50% more. Unless someone is buying for a specific media PC or similar I don't think it's worth it then.
The G4560 matches the performance of the i3 6100 if you partner it with 2400MHZ memory in a B250 series motherboard (matches it in games where the CPU is the bottleneck, at least) though in the Digitalfoundry test, see link below, the i3 was bottlenecked with 2133MHZ memory (the i3 6100 scales well with faster memory, in games).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW_e_m89j-c

I keep hoping the G4600 will drop in price for a tiny office/media build, using just the integrated HD630 graphics (the G4560 uses HD610), but I have yet to see it dip below £75.

Though Amazon price matched on the G4560, CCL at least show it as being in stock with CCL. Bargaintastically hot.
Noclouds

The G4560 matches the performance of the i3 6100 if you partner it with … The G4560 matches the performance of the i3 6100 if you partner it with 2400MHZ memory in a B250 series motherboard


If only there was some trustworthy merchant who could guarantee that their H110 board had the latest BIOS with Kabylake Pentium support... As the cheapest H110 board on uk.pcpartpicker.com is a £42.30 MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS which over on the MSI website claims it supports this G4560:
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H110M-PRO-VD-PLUS-.html#support-cpu
(with v14 of the BIOS if I understand MSI's badly structured page correctly).
Whereas the cheapest B250 is £62.80. On this kind of a budget that makes all the difference. And no, neither of these boards is suitable for those who think they are later going to drop in an i7-7700K and clock it to 5GHz.
I suspect you could call most of them and check, the bios version is usually on the outside of the box.
Gkains

If only there was some trustworthy merchant who could guarantee that … If only there was some trustworthy merchant who could guarantee that their H110 board had the latest BIOS with Kabylake Pentium support... As the cheapest H110 board on uk.pcpartpicker.com is a £42.30 MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS which over on the MSI website claims it supports this G4560:https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H110M-PRO-VD-PLUS-.html#support-cpu(with v14 of the BIOS if I understand MSI's badly structured page correctly).Whereas the cheapest B250 is £62.80. On this kind of a budget that makes all the difference. And no, neither of these boards is suitable for those who think they are later going to drop in an i7-7700K and clock it to 5GHz.

I have mixed feelings on that one, on one hand it is nice to have the few extra features, greater connectivity and 2400Mhz memory option of the B250 chipset, but on the other hand, keeping to the whole ethos of building the cheapest possible rig, the cheap and cheerful H110 route, if you can find a vendor who has flashed the bios to support the new Pentium, is appealing, with the money saved put toward a budget Nvidia GTX graphics card, which for some reason with minimum frame rates seems a better pairing with the G4560 than the budget AMD options.
SaltyCDogg

I suspect you could call most of them and check, the bios version is … I suspect you could call most of them and check, the bios version is usually on the outside of the box.


Good call.
And while I only have vague memories of these things... Some merchants actually have stores!
AFAIK, Aria is Manchester and fairly central. Novatech are in Portsmouth. CCL in Bradford, Scan in Bolton, OCUK in Newcastle-Under-Lime. Most of the others are probably in the middle of nowhere and probably don't even allow customers in.
These are great value little CPUs, you really can't argue with the performance that's on offer here for 50 quid.
Gkains

If only there was some trustworthy merchant who could guarantee that … If only there was some trustworthy merchant who could guarantee that their H110 board had the latest BIOS with Kabylake Pentium support... As the cheapest H110 board on uk.pcpartpicker.com is a £42.30 MSI H110M PRO-VD PLUS which over on the MSI website claims it supports this G4560:https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/H110M-PRO-VD-PLUS-.html#support-cpu(with v14 of the BIOS if I understand MSI's badly structured page correctly).Whereas the cheapest B250 is £62.80. On this kind of a budget that makes all the difference. And no, neither of these boards is suitable for those who think they are later going to drop in an i7-7700K and clock it to 5GHz.



CCL will update the bios free of charge as they did for me a month or so back when I was putting together a budget build. So I was able to pair a H110 board with this CPU. Working perfectly for an office build.
Noclouds

I have mixed feelings on that one, on one hand it is nice to have the few … I have mixed feelings on that one, on one hand it is nice to have the few extra features, greater connectivity and 2400Mhz memory option of the B250 chipset, but on the other hand, keeping to the whole ethos of building the cheapest possible rig, the cheap and cheerful H110 route, if you can find a vendor who has flashed the bios to support the new Pentium, is appealing, with the money saved put toward a budget Nvidia GTX graphics card, which for some reason with minimum frame rates seems a better pairing with the G4560 than the budget AMD options.



I disagree for not much extra the RX470 is a much better option. There can be drops in frames the average is 20% higher
Looking to change /upgrade a server machine as it has an old phenom 955 in it.

Would switching to this be worth it?
Something to think about. I'm looking to build a new HTPC for a 4K TV. For full support (for Netflix 4K and other future applications) you need HDCP 2.2 (copy protection). Currently this means either a kabylake CPU and onboard HDMI 2.0 or a current generation GFX card (Nvidia 1050 or above).

I can't find any info to definitively confirm these budget CPU's support HDCP 2.2, though they should.

nekoangel

Looking to change /upgrade a server machine as it has an old phenom 955 … Looking to change /upgrade a server machine as it has an old phenom 955 in it. Would switching to this be worth it?


Guess it depends on what it's doing.
Really hard to get a benchmark of these but Passmark is available
https://i.imgur.com/2kFyY3c.png
Anandtech's bench has 1090T and the i3-6100. The i3 is pretty close but for well threaded stuff, the 1090T should be about 50% faster than your 955:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1682?vs=146
Power-use plus the more modern platform a major difference.
matt101101

These are great value little CPUs, you really can't argue with the … These are great value little CPUs, you really can't argue with the performance that's on offer here for 50 quid.


Yes, this kind of a value was last seen in 2008 or 2009. I remember getting a £35 Core2 Celeron @ 1.6GHz and running it at 3.2GHz on a cheap £32 motherboard. Was running at that speed all its live until it was replaced last year.
Those Celeron's were a bit cache limited though so back then I also bought a £55 Core2 Pentium E5200 and gave it a nice +50% overclock again on a cheap (~ £45) board.
Back then there was no specialised £200-£300 CPUs or £200+ "super gaming LED bling" motherboards required.
Edited by: "Gkains" 27th Mar 2017
Noclouds

I have mixed feelings on that one, on one hand it is nice to have the few … I have mixed feelings on that one, on one hand it is nice to have the few extra features, greater connectivity and 2400Mhz memory option of the B250 chipset, but on the other hand, keeping to the whole ethos of building the cheapest possible rig, the cheap and cheerful H110 route, if you can find a vendor who has flashed the bios to support the new Pentium, is appealing, with the money saved put toward a budget Nvidia GTX graphics card, which for some reason with minimum frame rates seems a better pairing with the G4560 than the budget AMD options.


That's right; you can see the effects here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review

"As soon as the action intensifies, the RX 480 suddenly loses a lot of performance. Minimum frame-rate actually hits 45fps in our tests - 20fps lower than the GTX 1060. And that's important when choosing a graphics card to pair with a less capable CPU. AMD's DirectX 11 driver lacks multi-threading capabilities and is significantly less optimal than Nvidia's, meaning that when the CPU is taxed, certain titles lost a lot of performance..."
Just completed a cheap build to replace an ageing laptop using a G4600, I picked it over this chip as I wasn't planning on getting a gpu straight away and hence paid the premium for the Intel 630 over the 610 graphics (GPU Benchmark estimates nearly a 80% performance bump).

One thing I did note, connected to a 4k TV, running youtube 4K videos there was the occasional stutter and task manager showed both cores running between 95 and 100% continuously. Couldn't test it on Amazon prime as either my TV, mobo or browser obviously wasn't HDCP 2.2 compatible and googling the problem seemed to state that amazon really lock prime video down to stop 4K content being easily copied.

Overall for the money both are brilliant chips, however I do possibly see an upgrade in a year or two to possibly an i5 or i7
Gkains

Yes, this kind of a value was last seen in 2008 or 2009. I remember … Yes, this kind of a value was last seen in 2008 or 2009. I remember getting a £35 Core2 Celeron @ 1.6GHz and running it at 3.2GHz on a cheap £32 motherboard. Was running at that speed all its live until it was replaced last year.Those Celeron's were a bit cache limited though so back then I bought a £55 Core2 Pentium E5200 and gave it a nice +50% overclock again a cheap (~ £45) board.Back then there was no specialised £200-£300 CPUs or £200+ "super gaming LED bling" motherboards required.


It is a shame you cannot just overclock the living daylights out of cheap Intel CPUs; I wonder how far one of these G4560s would go if only the multiplier was unlocked... I suspect you'd end up with something very close to an i3-7350k for less than a third of the price (not that the i3-7350k is anything like good value).

You're right, expensive motherboards are a total rip off for overclocking, my ~£60 Gigabyte Z97P-D3 has happily run my i5-4690k at 4.7Ghz for over two years now, I'm fairly sure a top end Z97 'board at five times the price wouldn't have got any more performance out of my CPU.

Sadly, the cheapest Z270 'boards, Z97's modern equivalent, are well over £100 and even Z170 'boards pre-Brexit referendum and subsequent crash in GBP value were significantly more expensive than their Z97 predecessors.
Excellent deal.
matt101101

You're right, expensive motherboards are a total rip off for … You're right, expensive motherboards are a total rip off for overclocking, my ~£60 Gigabyte Z97P-D3 has happily run my i5-4690k at 4.7Ghz for over two years now, I'm fairly sure a top end Z97 'board at five times the price wouldn't have got any more performance out of my CPU.


I guess the only time they make sense is for those who want to run their CPUs totally outside it's 'sweet spot'*.
I usually ignore the OTT motherboards, but recently noted the price of some of the top end AM4 boards like the MSI Titanium and it was close to £300.

That plus revolver31's comments about what a rip-off the latest boards were made me look up what a dual socket Xeon boards costs. Well, a Supermicro LGA2011-v3 dual socket board is £300. Don't know much about server and workstation boards but I can't see Supermicro skimping on quality parts, so yes the 'bling' boards are really poor value.

*All silicon processes have optimal clocks and voltages at which they run well and are at their most efficient. Running outside of that usually comes with a huge penalty in terms of voltages required and heat generated.
Why does this processor sound like the name of a delinquent teenager on Jeremy Kyle?

I just bought this from here also it's even went down in price now to £49.90 and is in stock https://m.alza.co.uk/intel-pentium-g4560-d4630170.htm

Also it is in the Czech Republic My parcel is tracking fine and in London at the moment and only ordered over the weekend ment to be just like argos also it does say to check all parcels on delivery returns may be a pain but it does give you Another £5 off a £70 spend when you sign up for a newsletter so a bargain if you don't mind the ordering outside the UK
Gkains

I guess the only time they make sense is for those who want to run their … I guess the only time they make sense is for those who want to run their CPUs totally outside it's 'sweet spot'*. I usually ignore the OTT motherboards, but recently noted the price of some of the top end AM4 boards like the MSI Titanium and it was close to £300.That plus revolver31's comments about what a rip-off the latest boards were made me look up what a dual socket Xeon boards costs. Well, a Supermicro LGA2011-v3 dual socket board is £300. Don't know much about server and workstation boards but I can't see Supermicro skimping on quality parts, so yes the 'bling' boards are really poor value.*All silicon processes have optimal clocks and voltages at which they run well and are at their most efficient. Running outside of that usually comes with a huge penalty in terms of voltages required and heat generated.


The X370 'boards seem to be just as much of a rip off as their Intel equivalents, which isn't what I'd expect from AMD 'boards.

That really does put it into perspective; if a dual-socket 2011v3 'board from a reputable manufacturer can be had for £300, then there's no reason anyone should need to be spending that much on a Z270 "gaming" (read: horribly gaudy and covered in RGB LEDs) 'board.

Paying so much to push CPUs to their absolute limit, well beyond what they're "happy" with, just seems totally pointless to me, even as someone who's relatively into overclocking and getting all the performance I can out of the parts that I buy. Ahh well, I guess the people buying the top end "gaming" kit probably end up paying for the less exciting, but much better VFM, stuff to exist.
hugekebab

Why does this processor sound like the name of a delinquent teenager on … Why does this processor sound like the name of a delinquent teenager on Jeremy Kyle?



I think a much more important question is why are you watching Keremy Kyle.
I've just built mine with the g4560... mines scoring 1430 on novabench....Dunno if that's any good... It's got a rx460 and 8gb 2400mhz ram..not tried it with any intense games yet. Thoughts and comments plz.
Wotan

CCL will update the bios free of charge as they did for me a month or so … CCL will update the bios free of charge as they did for me a month or so back when I was putting together a budget build. So I was able to pair a H110 board with this CPU. Working perfectly for an office build.



​This is good to know, i got this cpu from aria for 55 a few days ago as wanted to go the h110 route, didn't even think of asking in store to see if they could update for me, just sprung for the b250 in the end. also heat.
Gottograbthemall

I just bought this from here also it's even went down in price now to … I just bought this from here also it's even went down in price now to £49.90 and is in stock https://m.alza.co.uk/intel-pentium-g4560-d4630170.htmAlso it is in the Czech Republic My parcel is tracking fine and in London at the moment and only ordered over the weekend ment to be just like argos also it does say to check all parcels on delivery returns may be a pain but it does give you Another £5 off a £70 spend when you sign up for a newsletter so a bargain if you don't mind the ordering outside the UK



Yes and it's £5.90 shipping minimum, so it's more expensive at £55.80 and takes longer. Not really a good alternative.
matt101101

It is a shame you cannot just overclock the living daylights out of cheap … It is a shame you cannot just overclock the living daylights out of cheap Intel CPUs; I wonder how far one of these G4560s would go if only the multiplier was unlocked... I suspect you'd end up with something very close to an i3-7350k for less than a third of the price (not that the i3-7350k is anything like good value). You're right, expensive motherboards are a total rip off for overclocking, my ~£60 Gigabyte Z97P-D3 has happily run my i5-4690k at 4.7Ghz for over two years now, I'm fairly sure a top end Z97 'board at five times the price wouldn't have got any more performance out of my CPU. Sadly, the cheapest Z270 'boards, Z97's modern equivalent, are well over £100 and even Z170 'boards pre-Brexit referendum and subsequent crash in GBP value were significantly more expensive than their Z97 predecessors.



​got the same setup (i5/z97) and only getting 4.1ghz,anychance of sharing your settings for 4.7?
Gkains

Guess it depends on what it's doing.Really hard to get a benchmark of … Guess it depends on what it's doing.Really hard to get a benchmark of these but Passmark is availableAnandtech's bench has 1090T and the i3-6100. The i3 is pretty close but for well threaded stuff, the 1090T should be about 50% faster than your 955:http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1682?vs=146Power-use plus the more modern platform a major difference.



​It's just serving some plex media some times and has sonar on it.

It's used as a front end at times too as it's connected to a TV and then the odd YouTube bit.

I wasn't able to check the specs in detail untill now but I'm looking to be more efficient and possibly support 4k. Downside is getting a new mobo too
Noxia

Yes and it's £5.90 shipping minimum, so it's more expensive at £55.80 and … Yes and it's £5.90 shipping minimum, so it's more expensive at £55.80 and takes longer. Not really a good alternative.



OK my bad, ordered a mobo as well that was cheaper than CCL and got £5 off of £70 spend so it ended up cheaper that's all. Also it came quicker than 5-7 days a option for other that's all

Edited by: "Gottograbthemall" 27th Mar 2017
This with that cheap £99 1050 deal if it's still on would make a superb cheap gaming PC/media centre.
tempt

Perfect for a gaming htpc.



​Correct me if I'm wrong, but do some games only work with quad (or above) core PCs?
nekoangel

Downside is getting a new mobo too


Unsure about memory. Fairly sure that Kabylake chipsets like the B250 only support DDR4. Guess the H110 route with updated BIOS can be DDR3 though. Even then, 1.5V DDR3 is not really supported.
jaydeeuk1

This with that cheap £99 1050 deal if it's still on would make a superb … This with that cheap £99 1050 deal if it's still on would make a superb cheap gaming PC/media centre.


I don't think it's still available, but there's this Gigabyte for £108 with free delivery.

There's also another 1050 from a site I apparently can't link to (though it's the cheapest 1050 on PC Part Picker UK) for £104 delivered.

Edited by: "matt101101" 27th Mar 2017
Gottograbthemall

OK my bad, ordered a mobo as well that was cheaper than CCL and got £5 … OK my bad, ordered a mobo as well that was cheaper than CCL and got £5 off of £70 spend so it ended up cheaper that's all. Also it came quicker than 5-7 days a option for other that's all



Ah ok yes that makes sense. They are good on prices generally, I got some headphones from there. I just hope I enver need warranty claim.
popes1186

​got the same setup (i5/z97) and only getting 4.1ghz,anychance of sharing … ​got the same setup (i5/z97) and only getting 4.1ghz,anychance of sharing your settings for 4.7?


Yeah sure.

I'm not doing anything crazy to achieve 4.7Ghz, the only settings changes I made in the BIOS were the multiplier to 47 and the VCORE to 1.29v. The VCORE might even go a bit lower, but I've not got the patience to run all the stability tests I'd need to find out. I know it's not stable at 1.25v and is stable at 1.29v, quite where the stability cut off point between those two voltages is, I'm not sure.

To keep everything cool, I'm using an H110i GT. That said, you shouldn't need such a massive cooler to keep everything under control, I have both of the fans on it set to a constant 500RPM for near silence and in real world applications (aka modern AAA games) the temperatures never get out of the 60s. Obviously something like AIDA64 or Intel Burn Test can push them higher, but this is a gaming PC, it's never sitting at 100% load on the CPU for hours on end like some machines in a professional environment might. Even if I needed to run the CPU at 100% for hours, I could just set the fan profile to "balanced" in Corsair Link and everything would be fine (but noisier).

I'm happy to post some benchmarks, pics of settings etc if you'd like.

I'd be very surprised if any i5-4690k only had 4.1Ghz in it. What's your limiting factor, stability, temps or acceptable voltage?
matt101101

Yeah sure. I'm not doing anything crazy to achieve 4.7Ghz, the only … Yeah sure. I'm not doing anything crazy to achieve 4.7Ghz, the only settings changes I made in the BIOS were the multiplier to 47 and the VCORE to 1.29v. The VCORE might even go a bit lower, but I've not got the patience to run all the stability tests I'd need to find out. I know it's not stable at 1.25v and is stable at 1.29v, quite where the stability cut off point between those two voltages is, I'm not sure. To keep everything cool, I'm using an H110i GT. That said, you shouldn't need such a massive cooler to keep everything under control, I have both of the fans on it set to a constant 500RPM for near silence and in real world applications (aka modern AAA games) the temperatures never get out of the 60s. Obviously something like AIDA64 or Intel Burn Test can push them higher, but this is a gaming PC, it's never sitting at 100% load on the CPU for hours on end like some machines in a professional environment might. Even if I needed to run the CPU at 100% for hours, I could just set the fan profile to "balanced" in Corsair Link and everything would be fine (but noisier). I'm happy to post some benchmarks, pics of settings etc if you'd like. I'd be very surprised if any i5-4690k only had 4.1Ghz in it. What's your limiting factor, stability, temps or acceptable voltage?



​yeah that'd be great if you could post screenshots,many thanks
..and a warm welcome to the g3258 successor!
verbumSapienti

..and a warm welcome to the g3258 successor!


Just a shame there's no overclocking fun to be had this time around.
matt101101

Just a shame there's no overclocking fun to be had this time around.



​going by passmark scores not sure that would make much difference! added gain of double the threads too
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