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Calories are all that matters, don’t go over your daily allowance and you won’t gain weight, simples
Just downloaded and read it in 10 minutes. Apart from some scientific snippets, reads like something the bloke down the pub would tell you, complete with LOTS of spelling mistakes / typos.
Edited by: "SuffolkLad222" 10th Jun
hotUKdealFINDER10/06/2020 22:56

No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't …No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).Your mileage may vary though...Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.


So you're saying if you eat less, you'll lose weight. Groundbreaking indeed.
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No it’s what you eat. Not when
Just downloaded and read it in 10 minutes. Apart from some scientific snippets, reads like something the bloke down the pub would tell you, complete with LOTS of spelling mistakes / typos.
Edited by: "SuffolkLad222" 10th Jun
Arjan_Bains10/06/2020 22:36

No it’s what you eat. Not when


No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.

If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).

Your mileage may vary though...

Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.
Edited by: "hotUKdealFINDER" 10th Jun
Calories are all that matters, don’t go over your daily allowance and you won’t gain weight, simples
hotUKdealFINDER10/06/2020 22:56

No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't …No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).Your mileage may vary though...Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.


Agreed! Been doing Intermittent Fasting for 2 years and lost 7 stone. Definitely works
hotUKdealFINDER10/06/2020 22:56

No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't …No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).Your mileage may vary though...Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.


So you're saying if you eat less, you'll lose weight. Groundbreaking indeed.
hotUKdealFINDER10/06/2020 22:56

No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't …No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).Your mileage may vary though...Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.


You're missing the context though. You're saying that IF helps you manipulate how many calories you consume (ie: WHAT your eating). It's 100 percent what you eat. But you can help control this by controlling when. One results in weight loss, the other is one of a selection of tools that help with this.

You can have 2000 kcals once a day for 500kcals 4 times a day. As long as you have the will power. It will not change. That was his Point

On the flip side
You cannot eat 4000kcals in 1 meal at the correct time of day and lose weight if you can't lose it eating 1000kcals 4 x a day.

IF is definatley my choice. Bundle that with keto and I can barely force myself to eat my required calories.
lucas10/06/2020 22:56

Calories are all that matters, don’t go over your daily allowance and you w …Calories are all that matters, don’t go over your daily allowance and you won’t gain weight, simples


Thats completely wrong but okay xD
lucas10/06/2020 22:56

Calories are all that matters, don’t go over your daily allowance and you w …Calories are all that matters, don’t go over your daily allowance and you won’t gain weight, simples


You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created when the body produces insulin. High sugar foods spike insulin significantly higher than vegetables or fibres or even fructose. You could eat 5000 calories of vegetables and lose weight but eat 3000 calories of sugar and gain weight. The facts and evidence is out there.
Edited by: "you_gotta_be_kidding" 10th Jun
hotUKdealFINDER10/06/2020 22:56

No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't …No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).Your mileage may vary though...Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.


Two beers would equate to the same or more calories than a healthy meal
Didn't expect this thread to be so busy!
you_gotta_be_kidding10/06/2020 23:42

You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created …You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created when the body produces insulin. High sugar foods spike insulin significantly higher than vegetables or fibres or even fructose. You could eat 5000 calories of vegetables and lose weight but eat 3000 calories of sugar and gain weight. The facts and evidence is out there.


Lol behave, you been reading Dr Atkins?

3500 calories is around a pound in weight either way.
Edited by: "lucas" 10th Jun
Eat less move more. Simple.
lucas10/06/2020 23:47

Lol behave, you been reading Dr Atkins? 3500 calories is around a …Lol behave, you been reading Dr Atkins? 3500 calories is around a pound in weight either way.


Its all to do with balancing macros and intakes rather than calorie intake tbh not that calorie intake isn't also important to some degree

And the other poster was also right our bodies digest different forms of energy in different ways
Edited by: "uchihasilver" 10th Jun
uchihasilver10/06/2020 23:50

Its all to do with balancing macros and intakes rather than calorie intake …Its all to do with balancing macros and intakes rather than calorie intake tbh not that calorie intake isn't also important to some degreeAnd the other poster was also right our bodies digest different forms of energy in different ways


Our bodies burn calories as fuel, if you give it too much fuel it stores it and if you give it too little it burns reserves. You could eat 2000 calories of fat in a day and maintain weight the same as you could eat 2000 of protein or carbohydrates. You’d probably want to balance the three out for variety but as long as you don’t go over 2000 you won’t gain weight whichever balance of macros you have.
you_gotta_be_kidding10/06/2020 23:42

You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created …You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created when the body produces insulin. High sugar foods spike insulin significantly higher than vegetables or fibres or even fructose. You could eat 5000 calories of vegetables and lose weight but eat 3000 calories of sugar and gain weight. The facts and evidence is out there.


Lolllllllll

There are facts and evidence. But neither come close to supporting that garbage you just said.

I'm usually not one to make fun of. And I'm only doing it light hearted. But you need to check your source. Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read
Edited by: "jaymorgangrice" 11th Jun
uchihasilver10/06/2020 23:50

Its all to do with balancing macros and intakes rather than calorie intake …Its all to do with balancing macros and intakes rather than calorie intake tbh not that calorie intake isn't also important to some degreeAnd the other poster was also right our bodies digest different forms of energy in different ways


You have a tdee.... Its an amount of calories. It may be different than other people's. But it's a tdee.... So say its 2k. You eat over? You put on weight. You eat under? You lose it.

Unless you have a medical condition.

Macros are related to composition and where your energy comes from. Not weight. Don't confuse the two. The only affect they have on weight is potential alterations to metabolism. Which doesn't change the rule, only alters the rate at which it happens
Thanks ashleymarc🌞
It's not what and when.......it's how
Thank you.
Fast, consume healthy food when u do eat, exercise, repeat- Job done!
It's simple. CALORIES IN vs CALORIES OUT.

It does not matter when you eat, as long as you are in a calorie deficit YOU WILL LOSE WEIGHT! It is not rocket science. You do not need to make yourself suffer by starving yourself...
Edited by: "jaysta07" 11th Jun
you_gotta_be_kidding10/06/2020 23:42

You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created …You couldn't be more wrong, not all calories are equal. Fat is created when the body produces insulin. High sugar foods spike insulin significantly higher than vegetables or fibres or even fructose. You could eat 5000 calories of vegetables and lose weight but eat 3000 calories of sugar and gain weight. The facts and evidence is out there.


You're all wrong.
Is not what, nor when.
Is where.

If I eat at home - I lose weight, if I eat out (McD, KFC) - I gain weight. It's a fact, numerous studies have already proved that.
I thought it said Intermittent Farting!
I was going to say, I've been doing that all my life and not lost any weight!
Chaminda_Dooldeniya11/06/2020 10:33

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Ermmmm sorry is that not what you are doing with these 2 authors book. I never mentioned anyone. I don't need to justify my argument, it really is that simple eat to many calories you will gain weight, eat in a deficit you will lose. It really does not matter when you eat the food, a calorie is a calorie no matter when you eat it. Ooooooo I ate past 6 o clock I'm going to get fat, NO!

You believe what you want to believe, you just don't need to make weight loss so damn complicated...
I was just about to go all in to comment how wrong that book would be. But y'all are doing an awesome job at it!

Just to summarize - if you have to lose weight, only calories matter. If you wanna concentrate on losing fat and not muscles - macro distribution of those calories matters and you also have to do resistance training.

Nothing else matters. Not the time of your meal, nor the type of your food!
I've seen 2 documentaries on Netflix about nutrition. One was about veganism, the other about keto. Both of them pretty convincing and probably over 85% of the info presented was right.
But, not everything is black or white...

PS: Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information that confirms or support one's prior personal beliefs or values. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. For example, a person may cherry-pick empirical data that supports one's belief, ignoring the remainder of the data that is not supportive. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. The effect is strongest for desired outcomes, for emotionally charged issues, and for deeply entrenched beliefs.
hotUKdealFINDER10/06/2020 22:56

No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't …No, it's definitely when. Or more accurately for how long.If you don't start eating until 3pm and stop eating at 7 or 8 pm, you'll lose weight. At least I have. Once you've eaten something (anything you like) at 3, you'll struggle to stuff your face for much of that 4 to 5 your period within which you could be eating. Most days I'll just have one meal a day, with a small snack (and even a couple of beers!).Your mileage may vary though...Can't speak to the quality or otherwise of this specific document, but if you're interested in the subject (probably not) I suggest Dr Jason Fung and Gin Stephens.


Fair point. Agree.
cocoguy11/06/2020 11:03

I was just about to go all in to comment how wrong that book would be. But …I was just about to go all in to comment how wrong that book would be. But y'all are doing an awesome job at it!Just to summarize - if you have to lose weight, only calories matter. If you wanna concentrate on losing fat and not muscles - macro distribution of those calories matters and you also have to do resistance training.Nothing else matters. Not the time of your meal, nor the type of your food!


The only thing I disagree with here is training. When losing fat, if macros are in, training is not necessary unless you have newly gained muscle (6 months) as it requires training to hold onto new gains. Plenty of people are ripped based on diet and nothing more.
jaymorgangrice11/06/2020 15:57

The only thing I disagree with here is training. When losing fat, if …The only thing I disagree with here is training. When losing fat, if macros are in, training is not necessary unless you have newly gained muscle (6 months) as it requires training to hold onto new gains. Plenty of people are ripped based on diet and nothing more.


Hmmm ... To lose weight one has to be in calorie deficit. If training isn't there, they would lose muscles too while being on deficit (coz muscles are hard for the body to maintain and so during a deficit without training body sees muscles as unwanted luxury). To minimise muscle loss training is needed.

Of course if someone had loads of muscles and then put a load of fat over it, then even after they lose weight, they would look ripped even after a cut without training. But otherwise, after about 3 weeks of not training one starts losing strength and muscles.

Unfortunately I don't have research papers to link.
cocoguy11/06/2020 16:41

Hmmm ... To lose weight one has to be in calorie deficit. If training …Hmmm ... To lose weight one has to be in calorie deficit. If training isn't there, they would lose muscles too while being on deficit (coz muscles are hard for the body to maintain and so during a deficit without training body sees muscles as unwanted luxury). To minimise muscle loss training is needed.Of course if someone had loads of muscles and then put a load of fat over it, then even after they lose weight, they would look ripped even after a cut without training. But otherwise, after about 3 weeks of not training one starts losing strength and muscles. Unfortunately I don't have research papers to link.


On a conventional diet I'd agree. But as someone who lost 3 stone in 3 months on keto, and didn't gym due to a minor injury, I can tell you my lifts were still within 10kg of my original lifts. I'm not pro or even amateur but lift appx 135 percent bench.

I've looked at research and unable to actually see scientific evidence to say otherwise. Most people that actually say this are body builders/coming of a bulk so they don't fit into the criteria I'm referencing. And scientific research shows that the body will use up muscle for energy once the carbs are burnt (which obviously happens in a deficit).

The sense I can make of it is because using fat as a fuel source stops this. Therefore replacing the need for you to do training to tell your body (don't waste muscles, we're building them - even though your not actually building them on a deficit). And I doubt unless there are studies done for this specifically, that there will be anything to show otherwise.

Perhaps it's more long term, I've no doubt keto played a large part (I've done regular cut vs keto and the results were worlds apart (strength and muscle retention), mainly because the fat loss was much higher/quicker) on keto.
jaymorgangrice11/06/2020 00:48

LolllllllllThere are facts and evidence. But neither come close to …LolllllllllThere are facts and evidence. But neither come close to supporting that garbage you just said.I'm usually not one to make fun of. And I'm only doing it light hearted. But you need to check your source. Because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever read


Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die!
Ronald_Walker11/06/2020 18:32

Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die!


Or Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we Brexit..
Suddenly we all seem to sit with a P.hd in nutrition.
Edited by: "Jessie72" 12th Jun
cocoguy11/06/2020 11:03

I was just about to go all in to comment how wrong that book would be. But …I was just about to go all in to comment how wrong that book would be. But y'all are doing an awesome job at it!Just to summarize - if you have to lose weight, only calories matter. If you wanna concentrate on losing fat and not muscles - macro distribution of those calories matters and you also have to do resistance training.Nothing else matters. Not the time of your meal, nor the type of your food!


I think that's too simplistic. Time of the meal/food can make a difference; eating after after excercise when the body metabolic rate is increased will be better than @ other times. Eating close to bedtime will be worse as the body's metabolic rate slow's down.

Not 100% sure on the type of food but common sense would indicate that a balanced diet will be better than a much narrow or unheathly choice.
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