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Posted 5th Oct 2018Edited by:"Victoriaa"
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Very wrong - cheap. The Cybex equivalent is £300 and challenging to find discounts on. Whilst this may not be the cheapest this model has ever been (according to other users), it’s a very good price.

RE: Price - the regulations on these have slowly been increasing. Add to that manufacturers are building to a higher safety standard as well. Prices are very expensive to baby/toddler seats but that’s reflective of the design requirements.

Heavy - that’s exactly what you want. Weight is your friend in a crash, consider the effect of a side impact collision. I want robust side cushioning and a shell which will flex but not break when the car door crumples into it. I want it to stoically absorb a tremendous shock, allow everything to buckle and bend around it but hold my child cocooned and in place. The heaviness of this is a benefit, a nod to quality design materials. You put it in the car and leave it there, it’s not designed to for folks who want to remove child and seat in one go.

Is the price worth it? I drive my toddler around every day. Infrequently when I visit family, it’s a 5 hour drive (with breaks). Comfort is important. The facility to rotate saves our backs, which adds considerable design and engineering cost. I want a seat that’s easy to put her in and out and I’ve the confidence it’ll hold up in a (bad) crash.

I have the Cybex equivalent because cost difference between both these models at the time was negligible and I preferred the quality finish of the Cybex. At this price, I would have snapped this up though.

Good spot OP.

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It’s such a shame this car seat is not I-Size compliant, otherwise I would have ordered.
Expensive, heavy
Nope. Cheap for what it is actually. Works very well..
Great seat. Paid less but still a decent price.
works out £144 after boots points last week when they had the x21 points offer.
Agreed. Great seat. Works well for both of my children.
sinxa05/10/2018 18:29

It’s such a shame this car seat is not I-Size compliant, otherwise I would …It’s such a shame this car seat is not I-Size compliant, otherwise I would have ordered.


I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. The regulations etc change all the time, still more than safe enough and suitable for most
tehwabbit05/10/2018 20:14

I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. The regulations etc change all the …I wouldn't worry too much to be honest. The regulations etc change all the time, still more than safe enough and suitable for most


That’s what I said but the wife shot me down lol
Edited by: "sinxa" 5th Oct 2018
sinxa05/10/2018 20:16

That’s what I said but the wife shot me down lol


I get it! It's all about the safest thing for the little one! I struggled to find a car seat that I liked which was "safe". The isize recarro one was a contenter but then I was like "why the fudge am I spending 300 on a bloody seat that's only good for 18m" and got this instead!
tehwabbit2 m ago

I get it! It's all about the safest thing for the little one! I struggled …I get it! It's all about the safest thing for the little one! I struggled to find a car seat that I liked which was "safe". The isize recarro one was a contenter but then I was like "why the fudge am I spending 300 on a bloody seat that's only good for 18m" and got this instead!


Agreed, they are ridiculously priced nowadays vs the amount of time it will be used. Heat added anyways, good price.
Great seat, makes getting the kids in the car less stressful. When someone parks too close, makes it easy to get them through the opposite door instead. Just wish it was around when my older children were babies!
Very wrong - cheap. The Cybex equivalent is £300 and challenging to find discounts on. Whilst this may not be the cheapest this model has ever been (according to other users), it’s a very good price.

RE: Price - the regulations on these have slowly been increasing. Add to that manufacturers are building to a higher safety standard as well. Prices are very expensive to baby/toddler seats but that’s reflective of the design requirements.

Heavy - that’s exactly what you want. Weight is your friend in a crash, consider the effect of a side impact collision. I want robust side cushioning and a shell which will flex but not break when the car door crumples into it. I want it to stoically absorb a tremendous shock, allow everything to buckle and bend around it but hold my child cocooned and in place. The heaviness of this is a benefit, a nod to quality design materials. You put it in the car and leave it there, it’s not designed to for folks who want to remove child and seat in one go.

Is the price worth it? I drive my toddler around every day. Infrequently when I visit family, it’s a 5 hour drive (with breaks). Comfort is important. The facility to rotate saves our backs, which adds considerable design and engineering cost. I want a seat that’s easy to put her in and out and I’ve the confidence it’ll hold up in a (bad) crash.

I have the Cybex equivalent because cost difference between both these models at the time was negligible and I preferred the quality finish of the Cybex. At this price, I would have snapped this up though.

Good spot OP.

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Got 3, they are cracking seats
Edited by: "taker920" 5th Oct 2018
Great price and a very good seat. The which? review is pretty decent too for peace of mind.
The Wife and I have one in each of our cars for our little girl, and they're brilliant. We paid £250 each for them, so this is a bargain...
My 3 year old has this seat and it is great! The spin facility is a god send especially when they don’t want to go in their seat. Well worth the money 💰we paid £250 for ours!
Edited by: "YellowStar14" 6th Oct 2018
Best seat pound for pound. No more backache with its twist turn function. At this price it's a brilliant buy
The Cozy N Safe Merlin 360 Isofix car seat is only £199 on kiddies kingdom as their standard price. It is excellent value for such a good seat that comes highly rated

kiddies-kingdom.com/0-1…wcB
Edited by: "greendayadam" 6th Oct 2018
sinxa05/10/2018 18:29

It’s such a shame this car seat is not I-Size compliant, otherwise I would …It’s such a shame this car seat is not I-Size compliant, otherwise I would have ordered.


You know i-size is just a new selling point for manufacturers to try and get more money don't you?. Plus you aren't gonna keep your child rear facing until they are 4 that's just ridiculous.
MonkeyMan9006/10/2018 15:08

You know i-size is just a new selling point for manufacturers to try and …You know i-size is just a new selling point for manufacturers to try and get more money don't you?. Plus you aren't gonna keep your child rear facing until they are 4 that's just ridiculous.


It’s not just a new selling point, i-Size is a new European-wide car seat regulation (the first phase of a safety standard called R129), which aims to make car seats safer.

It’s designed to keep children rear-facing for longer, provide better side impact protection and make car seats easier to fit correctly.

The complete R129 law is still being developed by safety experts, law makers, car seat manufacturers and car makers. There will be additional legislation added over the next few years.

So you can still use your current car seats and manufacturers can still sell non i-Size seats until at least 2018, as long as they meet the old regulations. Bearing this in mind, I find it hard spending cash on a seat that will soon become obsolete. Why not spend slightly more and keep up with regulations, ensure long term use and most importantly safe! Most people would spend £400 on a new smartphone, why not spend that on your child’s safety, something that could save your child’s life. We went for the Britax I-Size dual fix, it’s amazing and he is so comfortable in it isize Britax My son will definitely fit rear facing in this until he is 4.
Edited by: "sinxa" 6th Oct 2018
sinxa06/10/2018 15:37

It’s not just a new selling point, i-Size is a new European-wide car seat r …It’s not just a new selling point, i-Size is a new European-wide car seat regulation (the first phase of a safety standard called R129), which aims to make car seats safer.It’s designed to keep children rear-facing for longer, provide better side impact protection and make car seats easier to fit correctly. The complete R129 law is still being developed by safety experts, law makers, car seat manufacturers and car makers. There will be additional legislation added over the next few years. So you can still use your current car seats and manufacturers can still sell non i-Size seats until at least 2018, as long as they meet the old regulations. Bearing this in mind, I find it hard spending cash on a seat that will soon become obsolete. Why not spend slightly more and keep up with regulations, ensure long term use and most importantly safe! Most people would spend £400 on a new smartphone, why not spend that on your child’s safety, something that could save your child’s life. We went for the Britax I-Size dual fix, it’s amazing and he is so comfortable in it isize Britax My son will definitely fit rear facing in this until he is 4.


I know exactly what it is. Modern car seats have nothing wrong with them safety wise. I still stand by my comment. I-size is a marketing ploy. The only way your child will fit in it rear facing until he is 4 is if his legs are about 70% smaller than your average legs
MonkeyMan9006/10/2018 15:43

I know exactly what it is. Modern car seats have nothing wrong with them …I know exactly what it is. Modern car seats have nothing wrong with them safety wise. I still stand by my comment. I-size is a marketing ploy. The only way your child will fit in it rear facing until he is 4 is if his legs are about 70% smaller than your average legs


How can you call i-size a marketing ploy when it will soon be enforced as a legal requirement? That doesn’t make any sense to me. In terms of dimensions, I honestly think you are mistaken, maybe pop into Mothercare and take a look.
sinxa06/10/2018 15:56

How can you call i-size a marketing ploy when it will soon be enforced as …How can you call i-size a marketing ploy when it will soon be enforced as a legal requirement? That doesn’t make any sense to me. In terms of dimensions, I honestly think you are mistaken, maybe pop into Mothercare and take a look.


Because all the manufacturers come together so they can sell more
MonkeyMan9006/10/2018 15:57

Because all the manufacturers come together so they can sell more


Nonsense, sorry.
sinxa06/10/2018 16:01

Nonsense, sorry.


If you feel like that it's fine no skin off my nose. You go and waste your money
I have this car seat and its superb.
We have this but the seating position means the babies head ends up flopping about when they are sleeping (quite a few complaints about this online if you Google it). It's actually really dangerous and I have no idea how they market it as suitable from birth! The head is not supported at all.

It's okay now he is a little older(18 months) but would avoid for babies under 14 months.
greendayadam7 h, 26 m ago

The Cozy N Safe Merlin 360 Isofix car seat is only £199 on kiddies kingdom …The Cozy N Safe Merlin 360 Isofix car seat is only £199 on kiddies kingdom as their standard price. It is excellent value for such a good seat that comes highly ratedhttps://www.kiddies-kingdom.com/0-18kg-0-4yrs-group-0-1/26427-cozy-n-safe-merlin-360-isofix-group-01-car-seat-red-new-2018.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwiJncBRC1ARIsAOvG-a74T7DyZIxE_-hcpRVaD9fMcs6IygKSg2WIe8S4OErsejf6IZ-FHPYaAhdREALw_wcB#fo_c=164&fo_k=105f7a282eae986b7000774f20cee210&fo_s=gplauk


We have the Joie Spin and the Merlin - the Merlin is our favourite, easier to spin round and our baby seems more comfortable in it, would definitely get again
sinxa06/10/2018 15:37

It’s not just a new selling point, i-Size is a new European-wide car seat r …It’s not just a new selling point, i-Size is a new European-wide car seat regulation (the first phase of a safety standard called R129), which aims to make car seats safer.It’s designed to keep children rear-facing for longer, provide better side impact protection and make car seats easier to fit correctly. The complete R129 law is still being developed by safety experts, law makers, car seat manufacturers and car makers. There will be additional legislation added over the next few years. So you can still use your current car seats and manufacturers can still sell non i-Size seats until at least 2018, as long as they meet the old regulations. Bearing this in mind, I find it hard spending cash on a seat that will soon become obsolete. Why not spend slightly more and keep up with regulations, ensure long term use and most importantly safe! Most people would spend £400 on a new smartphone, why not spend that on your child’s safety, something that could save your child’s life. We went for the Britax I-Size dual fix, it’s amazing and he is so comfortable in it isize Britax My son will definitely fit rear facing in this until he is 4.


No seats are going to become obsolete any time soon. Did you know it is still legal to use a child seat that was approved to the R44/03 regulation - that revision of R44 was replaced by the 04 amendment in June 2005, so that’s 13 years ago but you can still use those seats.

I-size is a UN ECE regulation, it’s not been brought about by a group of child seat manufacturers. However it hasn’t really made that much difference to the safety of seats from the big brand manufacturers, who have always ensured that their seats have been side impact tested in-house (even though R44 doesn’t require a seat to go through a side impact test) and that they perform well above the minimum standard required.

I’m quite happy with my R44/04 Axkid Minikid rear facing seatbelt-fitted 25kg, it’s passed the Swedish Plus Test and will be legal to use for many years to come.
MonkeyMan9018 h, 18 m ago

You know i-size is just a new selling point for manufacturers to try and …You know i-size is just a new selling point for manufacturers to try and get more money don't you?. Plus you aren't gonna keep your child rear facing until they are 4 that's just ridiculous.


My 6 1/2 year old is perfectly comfortable in her rear facing seat. Granted she’s small for her age, but even so any 4 year old would be perfectly happy to sit rear facing. Children are a lot more flexible than adults, they don’t bat an eyelid about sitting in ways that an adult thinks is uncomfortable.
Bsod06/10/2018 17:46

We have this but the seating position means the babies head ends up …We have this but the seating position means the babies head ends up flopping about when they are sleeping (quite a few complaints about this online if you Google it). It's actually really dangerous and I have no idea how they market it as suitable from birth! The head is not supported at all. It's okay now he is a little older(18 months) but would avoid for babies under 14 months.


I’ve seen newborns in this seat, it’s got a really good newborn insert and is perfectly suitable from birth.

Perhaps the seat isn’t compatible with your car? If the seats slop backwards and the isofix points are low down then that’s going to tip a rear facing seat forward and cancel out a lot of its recline.
andreah90307/10/2018 09:22

No seats are going to become obsolete any time soon. Did you know it is …No seats are going to become obsolete any time soon. Did you know it is still legal to use a child seat that was approved to the R44/03 regulation - that revision of R44 was replaced by the 04 amendment in June 2005, so that’s 13 years ago but you can still use those seats. I-size is a UN ECE regulation, it’s not been brought about by a group of child seat manufacturers. However it hasn’t really made that much difference to the safety of seats from the big brand manufacturers, who have always ensured that their seats have been side impact tested in-house (even though R44 doesn’t require a seat to go through a side impact test) and that they perform well above the minimum standard required. I’m quite happy with my R44/04 Axkid Minikid rear facing seatbelt-fitted 25kg, it’s passed the Swedish Plus Test and will be legal to use for many years to come.


Thanks for clarifying the additional information, this will hopefully assist people with their car seat purchase journey. Yes, I am fully aware of the above, however I believe without the relevant endorsements and relevant accreditation, a manufacturer simply ensuring in-house side impact testing is simply hear-say and potentially immaterial. I completely agree it will take a long time for legislation to pass, however, post-2018 manufacturers will be unable to sell any non i-size car seats, and I am not too sure the legality surrounding private selling, hence my obsolete comment. There will always be room for debate, but subjectively, the safety of my child is priceless and surpasses bagging a bargain.
Edited by: "sinxa" 7th Oct 2018
sinxa10 m ago

Thanks for clarifying the additional information, this will hopefully …Thanks for clarifying the additional information, this will hopefully assist people with their car seat purchase journey. Yes, I am fully aware of the above, however I believe without the relevant endorsements and relevant accreditation, a manufacturer simply ensuring in-house side impact testing is simply hear-say and potentially immaterial. I completely agree it will take a long time for legislation to pass, however, post-2018 manufacturers will be unable to sell any non i-size car seats, and I am not too sure the legality surrounding private selling, hence my obsolete comment. There will always be room for debate, but subjectively, the safety of my child is priceless and surpasses bagging a bargain.


Where are you getting the information about not being able to sell non-I-size seats past the end of this year from?

There are still a lot of cars on the road which don’t have isofix, and a whole raft of seats which can never be isofix-fitted such as these brand new models from Britax britax-roemer.co.uk/car…tml and britax-roemer.co.uk/car…tml They are not I-size (they are approved to R44/04) yet they are two of the safest child seats you can buy. They are new to the market within the past year, they will be on safe for many years to come. They cannot ever be isofix/I-size because of the 25kg weight limit for the child - the isofix points in your car can only support a total weight of 33kg. That’s for the weight of the child seat plus the weight of the child in it. A 25kg child plus a 10kg+ seat is too heavy for the isofix points.

As for the testing, a quote from the Britax website “
At Britax Römer, maintaining the highest safety standard possible is of the utmost importance to us. That’s why we’ve pioneered in-house dynamic testing and operate two world class facilities for car seats in Europe, and in 2017 launched one of the most modern and technically advanced crash test centres for child car seats worldwide.” britax-roemer.co.uk/dis…mer
Have had this seat for a year now. Can’t fault it really and the spin function makes getting my daughter in and out the car a doddle. Only minornegative is it’s quite a heavy seat therefore not one where you should be constantly taking in and out the car but then again I don’t feel the need to therefore highly recommended.
Rusty8205/10/2018 19:03

Great seat. Paid less but still a decent price.


Where did you buy it for less?
Rusty8216 m ago

Toys R Us!!


Oh no (for me)!!!
Hoping they get the stock in for this deal as nearest price I can find is £198!
It’s now available to pre-order. I have one already.. just ordered another for my other boy
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