KFA2 GTX 1060 3GB £179.99 @ Overclockers
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Nice price but if you are think of getting a new card, wait and see because of the new AMD vega cards out very very soon, tomorrow i think, see what they do to the graphic card prices.
Vega is coming ........
Vega is coming with 3x the mining power of a 580. Ready for a price hike anyone!?
Vega 64 is out tomorrow potentially. Vega 56 isn't out for few weeks
MysticalUndies20 m ago

Vega is coming with 3x the mining power of a 580. Ready for a price hike …Vega is coming with 3x the mining power of a 580. Ready for a price hike anyone!?


Fake news on the mining power front
Good price, hope other cards start dropping in prices soon.
Just waiting for my benefits to come In
Just.Wondering3 h, 14 m ago

Fake news on the mining power front

I hope it's true then the miners snap up all these cards to replace their 580 thus flooding the market with 580s.

I want a 580 for 1050ti money
michaeljb5 m ago

I hope it's true then the miners snap up all these cards to replace their …I hope it's true then the miners snap up all these cards to replace their 580 thus flooding the market with 580s.I want a 580 for 1050ti money

Tweaktown and ocuk have said although reports of 70 to 100 hash rate are exaggerated, the card has a hash rate of over 60. If this is true then miners will snap these up. Only a day to wait.
getting closer to what they should be
This is the 3GB so just factor that in when deciding whether to purchase.
6gb version Is £229 on oc
michaeljb2 h, 42 m ago

I hope it's true then the miners snap up all these cards to replace their …I hope it's true then the miners snap up all these cards to replace their 580 thus flooding the market with 580s.I want a 580 for 1050ti money




It's not true. Vega FE hashes Ethereum at about 35MH/s and uses much more power. About 20% faster than an R9 290 and a little faster than a 570/580. Even so, what's more likely is miners will add cards to their rigs rather than replace them. That hope is a dream at the moment.

I can't imagine RX Vega being substantially better than the same workstation-class silicon it's derived from.
Edited by: "plewis00" 13th Aug 2017
I want a 1070
plewis003 m ago

It's not true. Vega hashes Ethereum at about 35MH/s and uses much more …It's not true. Vega hashes Ethereum at about 35MH/s and uses much more power. About 20% faster than an R9 290 and a little faster than a 570/580. Even so, what's more likely is miners will add cards to their rigs rather than replace them. That hope is a dream at the moment.

Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been leaked to be lot better than the FR at mining. Not as high as the 70 to 100 but I've seen figures of 60 to 65.
plewis006 m ago

It's not true. Vega hashes Ethereum at about 35MH/s and uses much more …It's not true. Vega hashes Ethereum at about 35MH/s and uses much more power. About 20% faster than an R9 290 and a little faster than a 570/580. Even so, what's more likely is miners will add cards to their rigs rather than replace them. That hope is a dream at the moment.


You seem clued up ( unlike my ignorant self) so..a gtx 1070 ( with i7 4970 and ssd all round if that' matters at all) does that stand at making any money? If you don't mind answering that is.
MysticalUndies2 m ago

Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been …Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been leaked to be lot better than the FR at mining. Not as high as the 70 to 100 but I've seen figures of 60 to 65.


Yes, sorry you are right and I was in the process of updating my comment. But when people use Quadro cards for gaming, there isn't a 2-3 times performance deficit, it's like 5-10% so to expect RX Vega to be 2-3 faster on the same silicon doesn't stack up, especially with HBM2 which wasn't as efficient (look at how good R9 290 cards still run with the 512-bit memory bus vs the 256-bit on RX 470/480/580, which are getting slower per DAG epoch change).
MysticalUndies3 m ago

Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been …Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been leaked to be lot better than the FR at mining. Not as high as the 70 to 100 but I've seen figures of 60 to 65.


AMD and leaks are an interesting thing isn't thing isn't it. As in don't believe it until you see see.
coventgamer2 h, 52 m ago

Just waiting for my benefits to come In


Funny but not funny!
chapchap4 m ago

You seem clued up ( unlike my ignorant self) so..a gtx 1070 ( with i7 4970 …You seem clued up ( unlike my ignorant self) so..a gtx 1070 ( with i7 4970 and ssd all round if that' matters at all) does that stand at making any money? If you don't mind answering that is.




You can always make money, it depends how much time you have on your hands to micro-manage it with rigs crashing, things burning out (possibly), replacing parts, etc. I learned about it and continue to follow-up on updates but buy it rather than mine.

I would suggest you plug your card into an Ethereum calculator, I think you'll be about 25-28MH/s:
cryptocompare.com/min…h=0
its 3gb and its nearly 200 ripoff, i got my 970 for 220 back in 2014
kamikazilucas6 m ago

its 3gb and its nearly 200 ripoff, i got my 970 for 220 back in 2014

I got the Geforce 256 in 1999 for £199. Forgot how much I paid for the Nvidia riva 128 before it, but comparing prices of today's cards with past models is completely pointless.
MysticalUndies3 h, 10 m ago

I got the Geforce 256 in 1999 for £199. Forgot how much I paid for the …I got the Geforce 256 in 1999 for £199. Forgot how much I paid for the Nvidia riva 128 before it, but comparing prices of today's cards with past models is completely pointless.


it isnt pointless when the 1060 3gb is pretty much the same as a 970 and i got it for that price 3 years ago
kamikazilucas1 h, 33 m ago

it isnt pointless when the 1060 3gb is pretty much the same as a 970 and i …it isnt pointless when the 1060 3gb is pretty much the same as a 970 and i got it for that price 3 years ago


Exactly, and everything is inflated with cryptocurrency - whether people like it or not it's likely here to stay.
At current prices this is a good deal for 1080p gaming.

Don't waste time waiting for Vega, its a pipe dream. TDPs are through the roof and so will be the prices.
kamikazilucas14 h, 58 m ago

it isnt pointless when the 1060 3gb is pretty much the same as a 970 and i …it isnt pointless when the 1060 3gb is pretty much the same as a 970 and i got it for that price 3 years ago


Pointless unless you can find a better deal.
i paid £46 for 16GB of DDR3 last year. Its now over £100. Does anyone care? no.
kennyhkw24 m ago

At current prices this is a good deal for 1080p gaming.Don't waste time …At current prices this is a good deal for 1080p gaming.Don't waste time waiting for Vega, its a pipe dream. TDPs are through the roof and so will be the prices.


Vega could still have an effect on GPU prices.
rev635 m ago

Vega could still have an effect on GPU prices.

Vega 56 maybe but the Vega 64 isn't going to be making the 1080 any cheaper with this kind of power usage and performance....

wccftech.com/amd…ak/
Edited by: "MysticalUndies" 14th Aug 2017
Vega reviews out across tons of sites. As predicted, Vega is a complete let down, doesn't beat the 1080 (4% behidn at 1080, 1% ahead at 4k).

It's noisy, it eats tons of power, and it costs more than the 1080.

techpowerup.com/rev…tml

The 56 is 9-13% slower than the 64, again, as expected.

techpowerup.com/rev…tml

It pulls 32-35 MH/s for mining, so unlikely to be gobbled up for mining. (Value compared to 480/580 is very low).

Unless you have strong brand loyalty toward AMD, the card is not value for money, unless you can sink the extra power it uses into a reduced heating bill.
MysticalUndies13th Aug

Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been …Isn't this the figure for the the vega FE? Not the vega 64 which has been leaked to be lot better than the FR at mining. Not as high as the 70 to 100 but I've seen figures of 60 to 65.




Just to reawaken this but the embargo has been lifted on Vega 56 and 64 now. For gaming, it's close to GTX 1070 and 1080 (for 56 and 64 respectively) but at a massive power disadvantage and for mining, my prediction of it being close to Vega FE was right:
legitreviews.com/amd…049

I'm not gloating, but I didn't really believe people claiming it could do 70-100MH/s from that one source when Vega FE was around 35MH/s and this shows it - it is basically the same silicon after all. I kind of feel pity for the people who banded about that false rumour. Anyway it's good for everyone, as it hasn't made all the old cards obsolete suddenly and the demand won't be through the roof. Glad I didn't pre-order this card though.

EDIT: Nate1492 beat me to it!
Edited by: "plewis00" 14th Aug 2017
plewis003 h, 48 m ago

Just to reawaken this but the embargo has been lifted on Vega 56 and 64 …Just to reawaken this but the embargo has been lifted on Vega 56 and 64 now. For gaming, it's close to GTX 1070 and 1080 (for 56 and 64 respectively) but at a massive power disadvantage and for mining, my prediction of it being close to Vega FE was right:http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-vega-56-ethereum-mining-performance_197049I'm not gloating, but I didn't really believe people claiming it could do 70-100MH/s from that one source when Vega FE was around 35MH/s and this shows it - it is basically the same silicon after all. I kind of feel pity for the people who banded about that false rumour. Anyway it's good for everyone, as it hasn't made all the old cards obsolete suddenly and the demand won't be through the roof. Glad I didn't pre-order this card though.EDIT: Nate1492 beat me to it!

Yep thankfully this card sucked. Truly awful tech 15 months after nvidia.
MysticalUndies1 h, 4 m ago

Yep thankfully this card sucked. Truly awful tech 15 months after nvidia.


Everyone is saying, 'it'll be optimised with drivers, but seriously, how much optimising can you do? It does seem a bit mediocre after all that fanfare. I honestly expected more as everyone thought Ryzen was over exaggerated and then it came out and was actually pretty good, but the usual thing I've come to notice with AMD is to expect a bit of disappointment...
plewis0011 h, 9 m ago

Everyone is saying, 'it'll be optimised with drivers, but seriously, how …Everyone is saying, 'it'll be optimised with drivers, but seriously, how much optimising can you do? It does seem a bit mediocre after all that fanfare. I honestly expected more as everyone thought Ryzen was over exaggerated and then it came out and was actually pretty good, but the usual thing I've come to notice with AMD is to expect a bit of disappointment...



AMD 'fine wine' drivers are a myth, they don't pull in more than 10% changes in performance, and most of the time they are just fixing utter failures at launch.

Looking at some titles, and how they behave with MSAA and other AA options, it's clear the initial drivers are simply poor and AMD driver team 'fixing this' doesn't make AMD cards 'better with age' more as they are simply 'broken when launched'.

So, if you are happy with hardware being launched with poor driver support and are happy when it normalizes, fair enough.

There was a post in one thread that is often used to show actual performance differences are within 5% of the start, with maxes of 10%. These cards don't magically upgrade to a higher tier, they are near their final performance on launch.
Nate149224 m ago

AMD 'fine wine' drivers are a myth, they don't pull in more than 10% …AMD 'fine wine' drivers are a myth, they don't pull in more than 10% changes in performance, and most of the time they are just fixing utter failures at launch.Looking at some titles, and how they behave with MSAA and other AA options, it's clear the initial drivers are simply poor and AMD driver team 'fixing this' doesn't make AMD cards 'better with age' more as they are simply 'broken when launched'.So, if you are happy with hardware being launched with poor driver support and are happy when it normalizes, fair enough.There was a post in one thread that is often used to show actual performance differences are within 5% of the start, with maxes of 10%. These cards don't magically upgrade to a higher tier, they are near their final performance on launch.


That said, mining Zcash went from 40 to 200+ H/s with optimisation in miner software but I agree with gaming. AMD claims to be releasing a 'block chain driver' but that's only to fix the weird slowdown as the DAG increases in size. That nVidia doesn't suffer... just as you said!

Shame as I really want to like AMD more.
plewis005 h, 55 m ago

That said, mining Zcash went from 40 to 200+ H/s with optimisation in …That said, mining Zcash went from 40 to 200+ H/s with optimisation in miner software but I agree with gaming. AMD claims to be releasing a 'block chain driver' but that's only to fix the weird slowdown as the DAG increases in size. That nVidia doesn't suffer... just as you said!Shame as I really want to like AMD more.



plewis005 h, 55 m ago

That said, mining Zcash went from 40 to 200+ H/s with optimisation in …That said, mining Zcash went from 40 to 200+ H/s with optimisation in miner software but I agree with gaming. AMD claims to be releasing a 'block chain driver' but that's only to fix the weird slowdown as the DAG increases in size. That nVidia doesn't suffer... just as you said!Shame as I really want to like AMD more.



I don't really care who I purchase from, because, ultimately, these are both companies and not people. It's not as if they have personalities, they are designed to make profits for shareholders.

I will take the best graphics card for the amount of money I want to spend.

The best has many different aspects, but probably the most important is: Good graphics, low hassle, good value.

AMD's latest offering sounds like good graphics, high hassle, and low value. Having 1 out of 3 is pretty bad when the competitor has: Good graphics, low hassle and (comparatively) better value.
Nate14922 h, 53 m ago

I don't really care who I purchase from, because, ultimately, these are …I don't really care who I purchase from, because, ultimately, these are both companies and not people. It's not as if they have personalities, they are designed to make profits for shareholders.I will take the best graphics card for the amount of money I want to spend.The best has many different aspects, but probably the most important is: Good graphics, low hassle, good value.AMD's latest offering sounds like good graphics, high hassle, and low value. Having 1 out of 3 is pretty bad when the competitor has: Good graphics, low hassle and (comparatively) better value.



Competiton is good but AMD seem to consistently overpromise and underdeliver - it means nVidia can continue to charge more for their cards and get away with it. Same story with Intel til recently with Ryzen. I would far rather see strong cards and CPUs from both parties or we have little innovation like the last few years of Intel barely improving their CPUs (efficiency yes but IPC barely moved).
plewis0015 h, 39 m ago

Competiton is good but AMD seem to consistently overpromise and …Competiton is good but AMD seem to consistently overpromise and underdeliver - it means nVidia can continue to charge more for their cards and get away with it. Same story with Intel til recently with Ryzen. I would far rather see strong cards and CPUs from both parties or we have little innovation like the last few years of Intel barely improving their CPUs (efficiency yes but IPC barely moved).



I agree, competition is great for consumers and innovation.

I would suggest that Intel has driven efficiency based on mobile competition.

Efficiency usually can translate to better overall speed, but don't be shocked if there is a fairly hard limit to IPC that Intel has began to approach.

Looking only at IPC improvements may be nearly worthless, looking at total throughput is likely the correct analysis tool.

Once Intel start pumping more watts into their CPUs, we'll see a sharp increase in performance as their efficiency has allowed for these increases.
Nate149220 m ago

I agree, competition is great for consumers and innovation.I would suggest …I agree, competition is great for consumers and innovation.I would suggest that Intel has driven efficiency based on mobile competition.Efficiency usually can translate to better overall speed, but don't be shocked if there is a fairly hard limit to IPC that Intel has began to approach.Looking only at IPC improvements may be nearly worthless, looking at total throughput is likely the correct analysis tool.Once Intel start pumping more watts into their CPUs, we'll see a sharp increase in performance as their efficiency has allowed for these increases.



I don't demand higher IPC really, and on the plus side it means I've ended up with a few Ivy Lake/Haswell generation machines off-lease at silly prices that are still high spec, well-built, slim and most importantly cheap enough to tote around without too much worry. There hasn't really been a compelling reason to upgrade for a while as far as I'm concerned and a lot of my friends and customers are still using Sandy Bridge architecture because it's still fast and relatively efficient even today. Let's face it, for productivity work, even a lowly Core 2 Duo is perfectly fine so I can't see many people rushing to upgrade.
plewis0016 m ago

I don't demand higher IPC really, and on the plus side it means I've ended …I don't demand higher IPC really, and on the plus side it means I've ended up with a few Ivy Lake/Haswell generation machines off-lease at silly prices that are still high spec, well-built, slim and most importantly cheap enough to tote around without too much worry. There hasn't really been a compelling reason to upgrade for a while as far as I'm concerned and a lot of my friends and customers are still using Sandy Bridge architecture because it's still fast and relatively efficient even today. Let's face it, for productivity work, even a lowly Core 2 Duo is perfectly fine so I can't see many people rushing to upgrade.



Sure, most tasks don't demand the new, high end, I7s. Nor do the new high end I7s distance themselves.

The Sandy Bridge was an excellent chip and is absolutely still viable today.

I am a huge fan of the G4560, a 50 quid CPU that can handle 90% of all computer needs.
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