Kinetic Road Machine 2 fluid turbo trainer. Amazon price 209.84 @ Amazon
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Kinetic Road Machine 2 fluid turbo trainer. Amazon price 209.84 @ Amazon

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Found 17th Dec 2017
Cheapest I've been able to find. £274.99 most other sites (wiggle/evans) works with trainer road app although think the (free?) kinetic app might do the same job....not sure on that one though!
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whatyadoinsucka8 m ago

Get a road bike and slot it into this turbo, it is for indoor winter …Get a road bike and slot it into this turbo, it is for indoor winter riding for the Mamil fair weather riders


Only idiots go out on a road bike in the ice and snow, but you're welcome to make the most of the empty roads you hero!
Edited by: "frakison" 17th Dec 2017
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Despite not even knowing what this is or what it does I want one.
Hot!
ClownBoy4 m ago

Despite not even knowing what this is or what it does I want one.Hot!


You will need a bicycle to go with.
Thanks for posting this.
Am I right that one needs a special tyre and one is not meant to put on and off the bike on the trainer?
What is it lol I'm baffled xx
akexuk27 m ago

Thanks for posting this.Am I right that one needs a special tyre and one …Thanks for posting this.Am I right that one needs a special tyre and one is not meant to put on and off the bike on the trainer?


One is not sure what two is asking?? Basically, this is an indoor trainer for use with your bike, usually for times when the weather is rubbish to it's too dangerous to venture out, I.e when it's icy etc.

You can use your usual tyre, but it will get shredded quickly. So you're best to buy a trainer tyre for about £10, this does make it a faff, but it's what you have to do unless you have the space/money to have a trainer bike. I put my road bike on the trainer around Nov and then use it when it's too crap to go on the MTB, but each to their own.

Dont take this the wrong way, but the fact that you're asking relatively basic questions would suggest to me that this is over specced fir you, you may be better to buy a cheaper £70ish unit from Decathlon or Halfords etc???
emma29uk9 m ago

What is it lol I'm baffled xx


Get a road bike and slot it into this turbo, it is for indoor winter riding for the Mamil fair weather riders
whatyadoinsucka8 m ago

Get a road bike and slot it into this turbo, it is for indoor winter …Get a road bike and slot it into this turbo, it is for indoor winter riding for the Mamil fair weather riders


Only idiots go out on a road bike in the ice and snow, but you're welcome to make the most of the empty roads you hero!
Edited by: "frakison" 17th Dec 2017
frakison17 m ago

One is not sure what two is asking?? Basically, this is an indoor trainer …One is not sure what two is asking?? Basically, this is an indoor trainer for use with your bike, usually for times when the weather is rubbish to it's too dangerous to venture out, I.e when it's icy etc.You can use your usual tyre, but it will get shredded quickly. So you're best to buy a trainer tyre for about £10, this does make it a faff, but it's what you have to do unless you have the space/money to have a trainer bike. I put my road bike on the trainer around Nov and then use it when it's too crap to go on the MTB, but each to their own.Dont take this the wrong way, but the fact that you're asking relatively basic questions would suggest to me that this is over specced fir you, you may be better to buy a cheaper £70ish unit from Decathlon or Halfords etc???


Halfords have the Tacx for £120 which can be used on software like Zwift
simplelearning5 m ago

Halfords have the Tacx for £120 which can be used on software like Zwift

Had a look at Halfords before buying this....the tacx models on there (£120 and £189) are both magnetic trainers....so probably a lot noisier than this one (fluid trainer)
I had to look this up to see WTF it was.
Is this definitely a smart trainer? Amazon website has questions and its stated that this isnt
You'll get some "purists" banging on about how it's not a smart turbo because it doesn't adjust it's resistance. However it is smart in the way that it will wirelessly give you virtual power etc which means you can use it for trainer road as zwift. I used this in the past and it's a decent turbo with the benefits of a fluid trainer.
55derek51 m ago

I had to look this up to see WTF it was.


Do you do that on every post you don't recognise? You need a new hobby
frakison1 h, 20 m ago

Only idiots go out on a road bike in the ice and snow, but you're welcome …Only idiots go out on a road bike in the ice and snow, but you're welcome to make the most of the empty roads you hero!


Ice and snow? Every day for 6 months of the year, get a winter bike, wider tyres with a few knobbles and can ride all year round, even better get a mountain bike and ride off-road,
i got a turbo whilst injured a few months ago, so dull.. not used it since..
much prefer riding all year round, keep the fitness up.
Edited by: "whatyadoinsucka" 17th Dec 2017
Scotte47 m ago

You'll get some "purists" banging on about how it's not a smart turbo …You'll get some "purists" banging on about how it's not a smart turbo because it doesn't adjust it's resistance. However it is smart in the way that it will wirelessly give you virtual power etc which means you can use it for trainer road as zwift. I used this in the past and it's a decent turbo with the benefits of a fluid trainer.



Can this 100% work with Zwift? That's what I want it for. Does the cadence/speed sensor come with it? Amazon page is vague.
If you people bought fewer spinning toys you'd be on your way to affording a car.
emma29uk2 h, 28 m ago

What is it lol I'm baffled xx


It’s one of them things you buy, use a few times, put it in the corner and look at it longingly for a few months. Once the appeal has worn off and you come to the realisation it just wasn’t for you, it goes on ebay at a massive loss.
The way I'm reading it, it's a dumb trainer. You need a power meter to work with TrainerRoad etc. (At however many hundred quid.) The ones sold by Wiggle/CRC etc seem to be the smart turbo.

True/False?
tenohfive10 m ago

The way I'm reading it, it's a dumb trainer. You need a power meter to …The way I'm reading it, it's a dumb trainer. You need a power meter to work with TrainerRoad etc. (At however many hundred quid.) The ones sold by Wiggle/CRC etc seem to be the smart turbo.True/False?


Not sure on the power meter bit. Initial impression was that this came with the trainer. If not they are £40 on top (google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kinetic-In-Ride-Pod-Sensor-Black/dp/B00LRAGJQ6&ved=2ahUKEwi5qs2x65HYAhWHJsAKHTirBt0QFjADegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw2yVwWDB3_eRlqHTHKrqvkf)
....either way....still the cheapest price for this trainer IMO
I have trainer road already but there is a free kinetic version I believe.
So not a true power meter in the tradtional sense, but still no cheaper than the normal method of using a speed sensor to turn a dumb trainer into something compatible with Zwift/TrainerRoad et al.
tenohfive19 m ago

So not a true power meter in the tradtional sense, but still no cheaper …So not a true power meter in the tradtional sense, but still no cheaper than the normal method of using a speed sensor to turn a dumb trainer into something compatible with Zwift/TrainerRoad et al.


I bought the Aldi fluid turbo trainer 2-3 months ago and tried using a separate speed/cadence sensor...total faff...probably not thay accurate for power readings and the roller bit on the turbo that the wheel goes on is now knackered/melted....cost of turbo +sensor £115...am trying to get some money back from Aldi on the turbo from there as should last longer than that FFS!

This one gets really good reviews and is the one trainer road recommends....
RRP £350
Wiggle price £274.99
Amazon price (assuming sensor needs to be bought separately) £249

so still seems a good deal!? obvs other models could be bought cheaper but maybe false economy?
have edited post to reflect it may not include the sensor
frakison4 h, 28 m ago

Only idiots go out on a road bike in the ice and snow, but you're welcome …Only idiots go out on a road bike in the ice and snow, but you're welcome to make the most of the empty roads you hero!


This. I use to ride in all weather but with the likes of Zwift and smart trainers, you can stay inside and keep it interesting riding with real people, albeit virtually.
whatyadoinsucka3 h, 10 m ago

Ice and snow? Every day for 6 months of the year, get a winter bike, wider …Ice and snow? Every day for 6 months of the year, get a winter bike, wider tyres with a few knobbles and can ride all year round, even better get a mountain bike and ride off-road,i got a turbo whilst injured a few months ago, so dull.. not used it since..much prefer riding all year round, keep the fitness up.


Read what I said, I DO ride my MTB in winter!! However, you didn't say that, you said put your road bike in it like the fair weather mamils do. Perhaps if you concentrate more on saying what you mean and less timetrying to insult and trying to be clever we'd understand you better?
Edited by: "frakison" 17th Dec 2017
frakison8 h, 34 m ago

Read what I said, I DO ride my MTB in winter!! However, you didn't say …Read what I said, I DO ride my MTB in winter!! However, you didn't say that, you said put your road bike in it like the fair weather mamils do. Perhaps if you concentrate more on saying what you mean and less timetrying to insult and trying to be clever we'd understand you better?


You wrote only idiots go out on road bikes in ice n snow, reading back I'd tend to agree, but it's very rare we get ice and snow depending on location. Hence riding a road bike through winter I don't see a problem as long as brakes and tyre tread works. I ride my drophandle all year round in winter its great fun but it has disc brakes and cx tyres.

There was a collision near me a few weeks ago, a cold wet day, group of cyclists had a car turn across them , numerous dints and body marks in the windscreen .
the rim brake frame was snapped in half , the disc brake bike had a snapped fork, I'd hazard a guess rim brake road bikes are not suitable for winter
whatyadoinsucka1 h, 47 m ago

You wrote only idiots go out on road bikes in ice n snow, reading back I'd …You wrote only idiots go out on road bikes in ice n snow, reading back I'd tend to agree, but it's very rare we get ice and snow depending on location. Hence riding a road bike through winter I don't see a problem as long as brakes and tyre tread works. I ride my drophandle all year round in winter its great fun but it has disc brakes and cx tyres. There was a collision near me a few weeks ago, a cold wet day, group of cyclists had a car turn across them , numerous dints and body marks in the windscreen .the rim brake frame was snapped in half , the disc brake bike had a snapped fork, I'd hazard a guess rim brake road bikes are not suitable for winter


So we agree then???
teamkettleman10 h, 32 m ago

I bought the Aldi fluid turbo trainer 2-3 months ago and tried using a …I bought the Aldi fluid turbo trainer 2-3 months ago and tried using a separate speed/cadence sensor...total faff...probably not thay accurate for power readings and the roller bit on the turbo that the wheel goes on is now knackered/melted....cost of turbo +sensor £115...am trying to get some money back from Aldi on the turbo from there as should last longer than that FFS!This one gets really good reviews and is the one trainer road recommends....RRP £350Wiggle price £274.99Amazon price (assuming sensor needs to be bought separately) £249so still seems a good deal!? obvs other models could be bought cheaper but maybe false economy?have edited post to reflect it may not include the sensor



You say it like it's binary - cheap Aldi or this.
There are lots of turbo's in the £150-250 price range, and quite are few are smart trainers that get decent reviews.

Personally, I've got speed and cadence sensors on my road bike as a matter of course - so I can use my dumb trainer on Zwift, the only outlay being a front wheel ramp (got tired of it falling off a stack of paperbacks) and an ANT+ USB dongle.

This may be a decent deal, it may not be - I'd want to see some reviews before buying, and best case it's going to be inline with what I've already got (Elite Crono Fluid EG) so there's no point. But if I were looking in this price bracket I'd be looking closely because if I can get a smart trainer for the same money and everything else is equal (noise etc) I'd probably be looking at that instead.
tenohfive3 h, 23 m ago

You say it like it's binary - cheap Aldi or this.There are lots of turbo's …You say it like it's binary - cheap Aldi or this.There are lots of turbo's in the £150-250 price range, and quite are few are smart trainers that get decent reviews.Personally, I've got speed and cadence sensors on my road bike as a matter of course - so I can use my dumb trainer on Zwift, the only outlay being a front wheel ramp (got tired of it falling off a stack of paperbacks) and an ANT+ USB dongle.This may be a decent deal, it may not be - I'd want to see some reviews before buying, and best case it's going to be inline with what I've already got (Elite Crono Fluid EG) so there's no point. But if I were looking in this price bracket I'd be looking closely because if I can get a smart trainer for the same money and everything else is equal (noise etc) I'd probably be looking at that instead.


ok...this is where i find it a bit confusing so correct me if I'm wrong....
If you want to monitor POWER then you ideally want a power meter (which either comes with this or can be fitted on the back...already calibrated and works well from what I gather from reading the reviews )

If you use speed/cadence sensors (I.e not power meter pedals or sensors on the cranks costing £££) then you need to use an app that converts these to power based on a guesstimate of the resistance your trainer generates. A friend who has worked for British cycling told me this way is a lot less accurate....

however....it still gives you something to measure and try to improve on through training....at the end of the day It's all about repeatable effort so i've no real problem with what you've suggested

I was just getting frustrated with the inaccurate/fiddly set up and general badness of the Aldi trainer

Did my homework and this looks like an accurate/easy/affordable option which will link with my phone.....at a good price for the model (which is the point....right?)

plus....it's green
teamkettleman9 h, 33 m ago

ok...this is where i find it a bit confusing so correct me if I'm …ok...this is where i find it a bit confusing so correct me if I'm wrong....If you want to monitor POWER then you ideally want a power meter (which either comes with this or can be fitted on the back...already calibrated and works well from what I gather from reading the reviews )If you use speed/cadence sensors (I.e not power meter pedals or sensors on the cranks costing £££) then you need to use an app that converts these to power based on a guesstimate of the resistance your trainer generates. A friend who has worked for British cycling told me this way is a lot less accurate....however....it still gives you something to measure and try to improve on through training....at the end of the day It's all about repeatable effort so i've no real problem with what you've suggestedI was just getting frustrated with the inaccurate/fiddly set up and general badness of the Aldi trainerDid my homework and this looks like an accurate/easy/affordable option which will link with my phone.....at a good price for the model (which is the point....right?)plus....it's green



Truth be told I'm too lazy to look it up, but I doubt that for £60 the bit of kit Kinetic sell that gives you power does in any accurate or meaningful way. My money says it's working the same way that a speed sensor would do.

Zwift et al. already use speed sensors to convert wheel speed - when paired to a known trainer - to guesstimate power, and yes, it's inaccurate. Albeit I've found it comparably inaccurate i.e. If you jump on it two days in a row and it says you're putting out 300w each time, you're probably putting out the same amount of power on each occasion - it just won't be 300w. It'll be 250w. Or 350. Or 400. But using the same kit, the numbers seem true to themselves. (That's purely my experience mind, based on RPE/cadence and matched resistance levels.) So it might not be truly accurate as a geniune metric, but for measuring against yourself it's alright.

I digress. A proper power meter - which costs a lot, and is usually pedal or crank fitted - can also be used to connect to Zwift etc, and the numbers should indeed be a lot closer.

I don't think the Kinetic plug in thing is going to be one of those. And I suspect that it's a glorified speed sensor, so it'll be no more or less accurate than any other dumb trainer connected by dint of a cheap sensor. But I stand ready to be corrected by someone either in the know, or who (unlike me) can be bothered to go and find out.
tenohfive1 h, 27 m ago

Truth be told I'm too lazy to look it up, but I doubt that for £60 the bit …Truth be told I'm too lazy to look it up, but I doubt that for £60 the bit of kit Kinetic sell that gives you power does in any accurate or meaningful way. My money says it's working the same way that a speed sensor would do.Zwift et al. already use speed sensors to convert wheel speed - when paired to a known trainer - to guesstimate power, and yes, it's inaccurate. Albeit I've found it comparably inaccurate i.e. If you jump on it two days in a row and it says you're putting out 300w each time, you're probably putting out the same amount of power on each occasion - it just won't be 300w. It'll be 250w. Or 350. Or 400. But using the same kit, the numbers seem true to themselves. (That's purely my experience mind, based on RPE/cadence and matched resistance levels.) So it might not be truly accurate as a geniune metric, but for measuring against yourself it's alright.I digress. A proper power meter - which costs a lot, and is usually pedal or crank fitted - can also be used to connect to Zwift etc, and the numbers should indeed be a lot closer.I don't think the Kinetic plug in thing is going to be one of those. And I suspect that it's a glorified speed sensor, so it'll be no more or less accurate than any other dumb trainer connected by dint of a cheap sensor. But I stand ready to be corrected by someone either in the know, or who (unlike me) can be bothered to go and find out.


but even if it is just a speed sensor it'll be calibrated for this trainer and so probably will be more accurate than something you put together yourself...
I can only speak from my experience of trying to link odds and ends of kit up.
teamkettleman9 h, 50 m ago

but even if it is just a speed sensor it'll be calibrated for this trainer …but even if it is just a speed sensor it'll be calibrated for this trainer and so probably will be more accurate than something you put together yourself...I can only speak from my experience of trying to link odds and ends of kit up.


I don't know about others, but with Zwift you have to enter your trainer type (which is has figures for) and a speed sensor is a speed sensor at the end of the day - there's no real calibration involved. So I wouldn't have thought it would be any more accurate. And setting up a simple speed sensor (I've got seperate Wahoo S & C sensors) is really simple, there's not much fiddling involved. Although they do work better connected via ANT+ than using BT smart and a phone/tablet with Zwift.

And we're talking accurate power numbers in the context of something that was never meant to provide them.

So my money is that all the options are as accurate as each other (i.e. not that much, but good enough for most.) If you want accuracy with any turbo you really want either one of the higher end Kickr types or a decent power meter. Neither option is cheap. At this end of the spectrum, I'm just saying that the Kinetic 'power meter,' isn't really convincing me that it's any better than the alternatives for turning dumb trainers into smart trainers, so it's worth comparing them all on their other merits as it's a crowded market with plenty of choice (good thing for consumers.)
tenohfive4 h, 8 m ago

I don't know about others, but with Zwift you have to enter your trainer …I don't know about others, but with Zwift you have to enter your trainer type (which is has figures for) and a speed sensor is a speed sensor at the end of the day - there's no real calibration involved. So I wouldn't have thought it would be any more accurate. And setting up a simple speed sensor (I've got seperate Wahoo S & C sensors) is really simple, there's not much fiddling involved. Although they do work better connected via ANT+ than using BT smart and a phone/tablet with Zwift.And we're talking accurate power numbers in the context of something that was never meant to provide them.So my money is that all the options are as accurate as each other (i.e. not that much, but good enough for most.) If you want accuracy with any turbo you really want either one of the higher end Kickr types or a decent power meter. Neither option is cheap. At this end of the spectrum, I'm just saying that the Kinetic 'power meter,' isn't really convincing me that it's any better than the alternatives for turning dumb trainers into smart trainers, so it's worth comparing them all on their other merits as it's a crowded market with plenty of choice (good thing for consumers.)


The apps (zwift/trainer road ) seem to use a power curve based on 1 or 2 types of trainer and apply that to the rest.
Trainer road uses kinetic...which this is....so I'm happy it'll be more accurate than a mixture if different kit
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