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Should come in handy for those preparing for their driving theory test and also a good refresher in general in case some of the signs and their meanings aren't clear anymore.

Amazon are selling the book for £4.39 and the PDF looks like a replica of it to me.

There is also the highway code for traffic signs.

Hope it helps someone.
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Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of what a red light stands for
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should come as a standard with all BMW cars
MonkeyMan9014/04/2019 01:12

My views aren't biased I see cyclists run red lights I also see cars run …My views aren't biased I see cyclists run red lights I also see cars run red lights. Plus many other more dangerous illegal things. I'd rather a cyclist hit me than a car I know that much


Why is it always about you you you? Cyclists mentality...

The fact is, I won't be likely to be hit by a car because you can see them coming and it's predictable because people have to pass some type of competency test to use it.

Cars don't act like they are king of the road on pavements,
Cars don't squeeze between cars at speed and hope for the best to save 10w without actually realising a person might be crossing inbetween,
Cars dont jump on a pavement when the road says red, but pavement says green,
Cars aren't ninjas and have lights, normally with noise too,
Cars will stop for pedestrians, or they get heavily punished by law,

I've given enough examples, please feel free to reread and absorb some feedback. There are critical things cyclists could actually do to change the mindset of drivers, imo it's in cyclists responsibility and interest. I for one would not change my attitude towards cyclists before I see some major changes in the general cycling behaviour.

I'm out.
Edited by: "Inquisitor" 14th Apr
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Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of what a red light stands for
Green go, red stop, orange speed up

heat!
Edited by: "Maevoric" 13th Apr
should come as a standard with all BMW cars
habz78613/04/2019 23:01

should come as a standard with all BMW cars


Big arrow pointing to their indicators would be a start
Gollywood13/04/2019 23:03

Big arrow pointing to their indicators would be a start


Do they still fit indicator stalks to BMW’s ?
TheNorwichMarvel24 m ago

Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of …Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of what a red light stands for


Would apply to drivers really, so many of them dont even know what any of the signs mean or they just ignore the signs completely resulting in you having to slam down on your brakes
Edited by: "Luis85" 13th Apr
Lando29 m ago

Do they still fit indicator stalks to BMW’s ?


An audi today with the active indicators gave me some abuse today when he joined the M5 at Tewkesbury. I moved into the middle lane to let him join but he kept his indicator on, I just thought he hadn't cancelled it but as soon as I had passed him and moved back into the left hand lane he pulled into the middle lane and stayed there, even though he was going slower than me. He gave me the bird when I went past, I couldn't understand why.
I was leaving at the next junction and tucked in behind some lorries to come off and he cruised past in the middle lane both him and his partner were giving me gestures. I think it may have been rogparki.

I will get this heavy umbrella up in the end

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Edited by: "Quinoa" 13th Apr
TheNorwichMarvel13/04/2019 22:50

Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of …Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of what a red light stands for


Quite agree. the sunshine has brought out a few more duos abreast this week
TheNorwichMarvel13/04/2019 22:50

Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of …Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of what a red light stands for


Same applies to car drivers. I am both and there are just as many if not more car drivers who jump red lights.
Quinoa13/04/2019 23:40

Quite agree. the sunshine has brought out a few more duos abreast this week


Nothing wrong with 2 abreast cycling. A lot of the time they do it to make it safer for car drivers. You encourage overtaking if riding single file so sometimes if its a bit of a poor road they ride side by side to not encourage a car driver to overtake and put both himself and the car driver at risk of a collision. Even if it is a straight road with no corners etc the roads are shared they aren't just for cars.
Edited by: "MonkeyMan90" 13th Apr
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As a truck driver I know that the Highway code doesn't apply to most BMW drivers, I look down at them texting or on the phone. They must be above the law.
Maevoric11 m ago

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Lol. Omg these signs!
MonkeyMan9013/04/2019 23:54

Same applies to car drivers. I am both and there are just as many if not …Same applies to car drivers. I am both and there are just as many if not more car drivers who jump red lights.


In which country, China?
Edited by: "Inquisitor" 14th Apr
Inquisitor14/04/2019 00:54

In which country, China?

You're obviously just very naive to other road users. Either that or you don't spend a lot of time out on the road.
MonkeyMan9013/04/2019 23:57

Nothing wrong with 2 abreast cycling. A lot of the time they do it to make …Nothing wrong with 2 abreast cycling. A lot of the time they do it to make it safer for car drivers. You encourage overtaking if riding single file so sometimes if its a bit of a poor road they ride side by side to not encourage a car driver to overtake and put both himself and the car driver at risk of a collision. Even if it is a straight road with no corners etc the roads are shared they aren't just for cars.


The road is not poor when you have suspension on your vehicle like nearly every other vehicle on the road.
You and other vehicle users ride as fast as the road condition permits, if you can't take a pot hole or a puddle at speed safely then don't and slow down. Not swerve into the middle of the road because it saves you 10w of energy. You don't see me swerving into oncoming traffic actively because of a puddle and expect them to slow just because I was there first, do you?

Want to talk about liability insurance next?
Inquisitor14/04/2019 01:03

The road is not poor when you have suspension on your vehicle like nearly …The road is not poor when you have suspension on your vehicle like nearly every other vehicle on the road.You and other vehicle users ride as fast as the road condition permits, if you can't take a pot hole or a puddle at speed safely then don't and slow down. Not swerve into the middle of the road because it saves you 10w of energy. You don't see me swerving into oncoming traffic actively because of a puddle and expect them to slow just because I was there first, do you? Want to talk about liability insurance next?


By poor road I was talking about a road with blind corners hence why a cyclist doesn't want to encourage overtaking as if the car does overtake that could be a nasty outcome for car and cyclist if something is oncoming. In terms of insurance you will find the majority or cyclist do have insurance. Obviously I'm not talking about your local village chav on his mountain bike.
MonkeyMan9014/04/2019 00:56

You're obviously just very naive to other road users. Either that or you …You're obviously just very naive to other road users. Either that or you don't spend a lot of time out on the road.


Having done advanced driving and ~25k a year (for many years) enough to pass your qualification to shed some 'unprofessional' but unbiased opinion?

Don't get me wrong, love to cycle, fortunate enough to not need to do it on the roads but the system is broken and leads to abuse, neglect and anger on both parties.
Imo your views are biased.
Inquisitor14/04/2019 01:09

Having done advanced driving and ~25k a year (for many years) enough to …Having done advanced driving and ~25k a year (for many years) enough to pass your qualification to shed some 'unprofessional' but unbiased opinion?Don't get me wrong, love to cycle, fortunate enough to not need to do it on the roads but the system is broken and leads to abuse, neglect and anger on both parties.Imo your views are biased.


My views aren't biased I see cyclists run red lights I also see cars run red lights. Plus many other more dangerous illegal things. I'd rather a cyclist hit me than a car I know that much
MonkeyMan9011 m ago

By poor road I was talking about a road with blind corners hence why a …By poor road I was talking about a road with blind corners hence why a cyclist doesn't want to encourage overtaking as if the car does overtake that could be a nasty outcome for car and cyclist if something is oncoming. In terms of insurance you will find the majority or cyclist do have insurance. Obviously I'm not talking about your local village chav on his mountain bike.


And I am talking about 95% of 'real' cyclists without suspension and skinny race tyres then swerve pot holes, gutters, puddles etc without checking mirror or blind spot because apparently cyclists are horses and have blinkers on.
Not to forget the other 5% which simply don't wear any reflective clothing or lights at night and does the same thing.

So liability insurance; am I hearing you right most have insurance?
For themselves or others? You know life insurance doesn't count.
MonkeyMan9014/04/2019 01:12

My views aren't biased I see cyclists run red lights I also see cars run …My views aren't biased I see cyclists run red lights I also see cars run red lights. Plus many other more dangerous illegal things. I'd rather a cyclist hit me than a car I know that much


Why is it always about you you you? Cyclists mentality...

The fact is, I won't be likely to be hit by a car because you can see them coming and it's predictable because people have to pass some type of competency test to use it.

Cars don't act like they are king of the road on pavements,
Cars don't squeeze between cars at speed and hope for the best to save 10w without actually realising a person might be crossing inbetween,
Cars dont jump on a pavement when the road says red, but pavement says green,
Cars aren't ninjas and have lights, normally with noise too,
Cars will stop for pedestrians, or they get heavily punished by law,

I've given enough examples, please feel free to reread and absorb some feedback. There are critical things cyclists could actually do to change the mindset of drivers, imo it's in cyclists responsibility and interest. I for one would not change my attitude towards cyclists before I see some major changes in the general cycling behaviour.

I'm out.
Edited by: "Inquisitor" 14th Apr
Also, how is a car driver or truck driver suppose to know that some idiot on a push bike is gonna go into the centre of the road, or even further to the right, to avoid a pot hole????
I have eye balls and testicles, NOT crystal balls.
TheNorwichMarvel8 h, 18 m ago

Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of …Maybe something for the cyclists out there. I would start on the page of what a red light stands for


I think you're talking about most of the van and taxi (and some bus) drivers in Belfast actually
MonkeyMan907 h, 15 m ago

Nothing wrong with 2 abreast cycling. A lot of the time they do it to make …Nothing wrong with 2 abreast cycling. A lot of the time they do it to make it safer for car drivers. You encourage overtaking if riding single file so sometimes if its a bit of a poor road they ride side by side to not encourage a car driver to overtake and put both himself and the car driver at risk of a collision. Even if it is a straight road with no corners etc the roads are shared they aren't just for cars.


You can't win with some folks, they would rather that cyclists rode in a line so they could perform dangerous close passes on them in their vehicles (most likely without signalling) and be heading into oncoming traffic for longer
Inquisitor14/04/2019 01:03

The road is not poor when you have suspension on your vehicle like nearly …The road is not poor when you have suspension on your vehicle like nearly every other vehicle on the road.You and other vehicle users ride as fast as the road condition permits, if you can't take a pot hole or a puddle at speed safely then don't and slow down. Not swerve into the middle of the road because it saves you 10w of energy. You don't see me swerving into oncoming traffic actively because of a puddle and expect them to slow just because I was there first, do you? Want to talk about liability insurance next?


Err, road bikes in about 99.9% of cases don't have suspension and have 23-32mm tyres at around 100 psi. Would you rather force a cyclist onto an unsuitable surface and potentially kill them by driving over them because you don't understand how to behave around them in your vehicle?

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Inquisitor5 h, 57 m ago

Why is it always about you you you? Cyclists mentality... The fact is, I …Why is it always about you you you? Cyclists mentality... The fact is, I won't be likely to be hit by a car because you can see them coming and it's predictable because people have to pass some type of competency test to use it. Cars don't act like they are king of the road on pavements, Cars don't squeeze between cars at speed and hope for the best to save 10w without actually realising a person might be crossing inbetween,Cars dont jump on a pavement when the road says red, but pavement says green, Cars aren't ninjas and have lights, normally with noise too, Cars will stop for pedestrians, or they get heavily punished by law,I've given enough examples, please feel free to reread and absorb some feedback. There are critical things cyclists could actually do to change the mindset of drivers, imo it's in cyclists responsibility and interest. I for one would not change my attitude towards cyclists before I see some major changes in the general cycling behaviour. I'm out.


I frequently witness drivers parking facing traffic, in cycle lanes, and driving on the pavement. One even caused a lorry to T bone my car about a decade ago when they decided to drive up a pedestrian crossing, against a red light, to enter a parking lot instead of using the entrance to said structure. I've still got whiplash from that
Motorcyclists also travel between stationary vehicles, pedestrians should cross at crossings really.
Cars, driven by impatient idiots, frequently tear through red lights near me, most likely not indicating where necessary.
Bicycles are definitely ninjas, I can't dispute that
Motorised vehicles stand a far greater chance of killing a person when they are driven foolishly over them by some moron, probably using Tinder at the wheel.

No matter how appropriately I cycle on the road some halfwit can be guaranteed to drive dangerously around me by failing to mirror signal manoeuvre, or distance themselves from me, most likely while speeding in a 30 limit area and being distracted by some sort of touchscreen device in their vehicle which has windows so smeared with grease they can hardly see through them
MonkeyMan906 h, 22 m ago

By poor road I was talking about a road with blind corners hence why a …By poor road I was talking about a road with blind corners hence why a cyclist doesn't want to encourage overtaking as if the car does overtake that could be a nasty outcome for car and cyclist if something is oncoming. In terms of insurance you will find the majority or cyclist do have insurance. Obviously I'm not talking about your local village chav on his mountain bike.


Highway code rule 66 deals with this..
... ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends
Steveyorkie14/04/2019 01:49

Also, how is a car driver or truck driver suppose to know that some idiot …Also, how is a car driver or truck driver suppose to know that some idiot on a push bike is gonna go into the centre of the road, or even further to the right, to avoid a pot hole???? I have eye balls and testicles, NOT crystal balls.


How is some idiot in a tonne of metal safety cage to know how to behave appropriately around a fellow road user?

The Highway Code makes it clear that drivers should give cyclists as much room as they would a car when overtaking. The Code doesn’t set an exact distance, but a good rule of thumb is 1.5 metres dependant on speed. If you imagine what it’s like if you stand too close to the platform edge when a train passes through a station at speed, that’s how it can feel on a bicycle when a vehicle overtakes at 60mph plus without leaving plenty of room. Passing too close means you reduce the margin for error when anything unexpected occurs.
Inquisitor14/04/2019 01:32

Why is it always about you you you? Cyclists mentality... The fact is, I …Why is it always about you you you? Cyclists mentality... The fact is, I won't be likely to be hit by a car because you can see them coming and it's predictable because people have to pass some type of competency test to use it. Cars don't act like they are king of the road on pavements, Cars don't squeeze between cars at speed and hope for the best to save 10w without actually realising a person might be crossing inbetween,Cars dont jump on a pavement when the road says red, but pavement says green, Cars aren't ninjas and have lights, normally with noise too, Cars will stop for pedestrians, or they get heavily punished by law,I've given enough examples, please feel free to reread and absorb some feedback. There are critical things cyclists could actually do to change the mindset of drivers, imo it's in cyclists responsibility and interest. I for one would not change my attitude towards cyclists before I see some major changes in the general cycling behaviour. I'm out.


As both a cyclist and a driver I can say that there are idiots on both sides. A lot of cyclists are arrogant and jump red lights, but a lot are law abiding and just want to have a good ride/commute without grief from car drivers. Similarly, a lot of car drivers put in a lot of effort to facilitate the smooth overtaking of cyclists but you still always get the idiots who will middle finger you or shout abuse if they are held up behind you for more than 15-20 seconds.

I do think a major problem though is that several cars still pass way to close when overtaking cyclists. I myself have been brushed by a car when going 20mph and it is an unnerving experience. Surprisingly, most of these drivers are elderly, so fair play to the driving instructors who are now seemingly telling drivers to give more room when passing cyclists. Much more needs to be done though.
Just what I needed.
Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? Just like a 50/40 sign, but says 60, why not put a N.S.L sign instead of the 60? I've tried Google and it confused me even more. Can someone clear it up and put my wondering to bed please
This could be useful in Essex for all the drivers who can't go 50 bloody miles per hour in a 50.

..But will quite happily go 40 in a 30.
wingmirror14/04/2019 08:06

Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? …Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? Just like a 50/40 sign, but says 60, why not put a N.S.L sign instead of the 60? I've tried Google and it confused me even more. Can someone clear it up and put my wondering to bed please


Is it because the NSL is different for lorries?
I don't like the fact that they don't have to have repeater signs for 20mph zones.
CrazyBob34 m ago

Is it because the NSL is different for lorries?


The maximum speed defined by the national speed limit always applies, even if a mandatory max speed limit sign is higher. E.g. on a single lane carriageway a hgv legally can't go over 50mph even if there is a 60mph sign. The 60mph sign is sometimes used temporarily when speed limits are changed for roadworks, but I think the number of instances it is used is so low it's not particularly clear how else it would be used.
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wingmirror14/04/2019 08:06

Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? …Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? Just like a 50/40 sign, but says 60, why not put a N.S.L sign instead of the 60? I've tried Google and it confused me even more. Can someone clear it up and put my wondering to bed please


The only time I ever see the 60mph sign is on dual carriage ways.
darkstryder3602 h, 22 m ago

This could be useful in Essex for all the drivers who can't go 50 bloody …This could be useful in Essex for all the drivers who can't go 50 bloody miles per hour in a 50...But will quite happily go 40 in a 30.


The absolute worst kind of driver
daz_7514/04/2019 11:12

The only time I ever see the 60mph sign is on dual carriage ways.



wingmirror14/04/2019 08:06

Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? …Speaking of signs though... why sometimes do I see a 60 speed limit sign? Just like a 50/40 sign, but says 60, why not put a N.S.L sign instead of the 60? I've tried Google and it confused me even more. Can someone clear it up and put my wondering to bed please



They normally put them on dual carriageways with central reservation as NSL is 70 there so it needs a 60 sign
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