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Landmann Gas Wagon 2 Burner Gas BBQ with Flame Tamer 12375FT - £29.99 Instore @ B&M
Landmann Gas Wagon 2 Burner Gas BBQ with Flame Tamer 12375FT - £29.99 Instore @ B&M

Landmann Gas Wagon 2 Burner Gas BBQ with Flame Tamer 12375FT - £29.99 Instore @ B&M

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This was originally posted when it was £49.99 (and it was a bargain at that price) but it's now been reduced to £29.99 in larger B&M Stores, what a bargain for a gas bbq!. I noticed this on B&Ms website whilst looking for a cheap but decent wooden bench but I think I'll be ringing my local stores tomorrow to find myself one of these... Priced between £70 & £99 elsewhere... Still not found a bench though.

Chrome Plated Cooking Grill.
Flame Tamer
2 infinitely Adjustable, Aluminised Steel Burner (output: 5.5 kW)
Two Stage Gas Control
Roasting Lid with Tempered Glass Window
2 x Side Tables
Includes Hose and Regulator
Easy Assembly

32 Comments

Great price, thanks OP

got this last year same time of year. wouldn't pay RRP, and it's a bit budget, but great for £30.

Yeah I have this. Bought from Sainsburys a couple of years ago for around £35 IIRC in their sale. It's basically a budget BBQ. Sturdy enough for what I use and its still going strong despite living outdoors all year round. Bargain for £30.

gas eeewwwww......charcoal is the way to go

Bargain!! I paid £70 for one of these last year. Great little BBQ that does the job perfectly. Been in my garden with no cover in all weathers since I got it and still works perfectly. Same thing on Amazon is £69.99

To the OP: did you find a decent wooden bench?

Original Poster

blammo

To the OP: did you find a decent wooden bench?

No, not yet, there's plenty around but I'm tight and don't want to pay full price for anything, just waiting for some sales

Jumpinbeans

gas eeewwwww......charcoal is the way to go



The purpose of a charcoal barbecue, and the reason they taste better (and they do, I completely agree with you), is to smoke the fat that drips. That's what adds the flavour. This BBQ has a shelf for lava rocks, or penrocks, which have the same effect.

Convenience of gas, flavour of charcoal. And I've had this for two years and it's still going strong. Great price.

If it can take lava rocks I'm sold, will pop up and have a look.

I picked up a gas BBQ in Tesco for £32.50 which I thought was a great buy. Might be an option for anyone unable to source the one at B&Ms. It's not available online anymore, but here's the link with specifications, etc. (has decent reviews)
tesco.com/dir…prd

Anyone know what gas this uses? is it patio gas? Thanks

201red

Anyone know what gas this uses? is it patio gas? Thanks




Butane, Propane or Patio Gas in the nice green bottle! Choice is yours!

Cheers, already bought the patio gas for another bbq i had to send back you see. Do you know if i will need to change the regulator or will this just clip on?

Says propane, but as it doesn't come with a regulator by the look of it I'm not sure it matters?

EDIT: OP says includes regulator, so assume its a propane one!
Edited by: "tek-monkey" 1st Aug 2014

Do you know what the difference in regulators is for propane and patio gas? All BBQ's seem to say they come with a regulator for propane gas but i was told by calor gas all new bbq's use Patio Gas, bit confusing!! Thanks

Dunno, but the BBQ we had at home had a patio gas regulator and the only places I could see that sold patio gas needed you to pay a bottle deposit. Instead I ordered this with the regulator, no deposit needed:

ebay.co.uk/itm…540

OOS at 10 nearest stores...

Jumpinbeans

gas eeewwwww......charcoal is the way to go



I struggle to see the point in a gas BBQ tbh, surely the whole point is to cook over coals...

safc32

I struggle to see the point in a gas BBQ tbh, surely the whole point is … I struggle to see the point in a gas BBQ tbh, surely the whole point is to cook over coals...



Depends what the point to you is? I used to be charcoal all the way but have had some very good BBQs with gas as long as you are using lava rock. Not sure I'd bother with a gas BBQ without admittedly, but I'm building a brick BBQ later this year (gotta finish the patio first!) and I'm putting in a space for the gas BBQ to go as well for the unplanned events. So much easier to just turn a dial and be cooking in 15 minutes, and less to clean up afterwards.

tek-monkey

Depends what the point to you is? I used to be charcoal all the way but … Depends what the point to you is? I used to be charcoal all the way but have had some very good BBQs with gas as long as you are using lava rock. Not sure I'd bother with a gas BBQ without admittedly, but I'm building a brick BBQ later this year (gotta finish the patio first!) and I'm putting in a space for the gas BBQ to go as well for the unplanned events. So much easier to just turn a dial and be cooking in 15 minutes, and less to clean up afterwards.



Tbf to you that lava rock idea sounds a decent one!

safc32

Tbf to you that lava rock idea sounds a decent one!



Oh it is. A gas BBQ without rocks is just an upside down grill, you may as well cook the food indoors, the fat hitting the rocks and smoking though gives the food its flavour. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the charcoal doesn't impart much flavour anyway, its the burning meat juices that do it. I'd never buy a gas BBQ that didn't allow lava rocks to be used.

I did pick up some jim beam smoking chips at Tesco the other day though, want to see what they taste like!

tek-monkey

Oh it is. A gas BBQ without rocks is just an upside down grill, you may … Oh it is. A gas BBQ without rocks is just an upside down grill, you may as well cook the food indoors, the fat hitting the rocks and smoking though gives the food its flavour. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the charcoal doesn't impart much flavour anyway, its the burning meat juices that do it. I'd never buy a gas BBQ that didn't allow lava rocks to be used.I did pick up some jim beam smoking chips at Tesco the other day though, want to see what they taste like!



Those are my thoughts exactly on the ordinary gas BBQ's, however now I know of this lava rock solution maybe I could be tempted to purchase one...

I have to say, this seems a better option that the one in this thread

safc32

Those are my thoughts exactly on the ordinary gas BBQ's, however now I … Those are my thoughts exactly on the ordinary gas BBQ's, however now I know of this lava rock solution maybe I could be tempted to purchase one...I have to say, this seems a better option that the one in this thread



If I could get that one I'd certainly buy it, but none in my local

Original Poster

zermattbusby

OOS at 10 nearest stores...

I can't find any either

There was one in Stafford but I just collected it, thanks OP

Err, ****! There are 2 versions of the 12375 BBQ, one that takes lava rocks and one that doesn't. The FT version doesn't, which is what this is.

Oh well, guess it'll do for at the caravan

EDIT: The 2 versions:

12375
12375FT

Same BBQ overall but no lava rock rack in the FT version, wonder if I can buy it seperately.
Edited by: "tek-monkey" 1st Aug 2014

Just had an email back from Landmann about the lava rocks, and am now more confused. Apparently lava rocks are now old hat, I'll post back what they sent to me:




Cooking with Lava Rock

Up until a few years ago, pretty much all entry level gas barbecues came with lava rock. The lava rock looks just like charcoal briquettes and their purpose is to give a similar cooking experience to cooking on charcoal. Higher end barbecues came with ceramic briquettes, which functioned much the same but had the advantage of even heat distribution.

How Lava Rock works:

The gas flame heats the lava rock and this in turn radiates the heat to the food. The food juices drip on to the lava rock, which turns to vapour and smoke. This raising vapour and smoke bastes the food to give the all-familiar smokey barbecue flavour. This is different to infrared/sear grills which let the drippings fall into a collection tray, where very little flavour is added to the food.

Drawbacks with lava rock:

As the lava rocks are of different sizes, with gaps between the rocks, this results in hotspots, which means that food needs to be moved around regularly to prevent burning. As grease drippings can run down the lava rock and catch fire from the flame below, lava rock regularly flares-up, especially when cooking greasy food such as chicken legs/breasts. Excess grease can also drip on to the burner below, resulting in port-hole blockages over time, as well as corrosion from excessive juice drippings. With regular use, expect to replace the burners every 5 years. Another problem with lava rock is that it tends to get mouldy, especially when the barbecue is stored over the winter, making it an unpleasant clean-up task when taking the barbecue out of storage.

Cooking with a Flame tamer

A flame tamer looks like a hat or a sheet of steel bent into a ^ shape, with one flame tamer placed on top of each burner. The vast majority of barbecues sold today are equipped with flame tamers ranging from entry to top-end models, sometimes under different terms such as flavourisers, flavour bars, heat diffusers, etc. Some barbecues have a single large flame tamer that covers all burners, which gives additional surface area for drippings to fall onto.

How a Flame Tamer works:

Same principle as Lava Rock: The gas flame heats up the flame tamer and this in turn radiates heat to the food. The food juices drip on to the flame tamer, which turns to vapour and smoke. This raising vapour and smoke bastes the food to give the all-familiar barbecue flavour. Don’t confuse the flame tamer based barbecues to infrared grills, which don’t have anything between the burner and the food.

Advantages over lava rock:

The main advantage with a flame tamer is heat distribution. Everything cooks evenly much like with an infrared grill, which means that food only needs to be turned midway and everything is cooked at once, unlike with lava rock where certain items need to be left on longer to finish cooking. There are no hotspots either, which means no annoying spot burning. Unlike lava rock, the flame tamer completely covers the burner below, preventing grease and juice drippings falling on to the burner. This prevents the burner clogging and also gives it a much longer live. A flame tamer is also a lot easier to clean than lava rock and thus is less prone to getting mouldy when the barbecue is left in storage over a few weeks.

Original Poster

tek-monkey

Just had an email back from Landmann about the lava rocks, and am now … Just had an email back from Landmann about the lava rocks, and am now more confused. Apparently lava rocks are now old hat, I'll post back what they sent to me:Cooking with Lava RockUp until a few years ago, pretty much all entry level gas barbecues came with lava rock. The lava rock looks just like charcoal briquettes and their purpose is to give a similar cooking experience to cooking on charcoal. Higher end barbecues came with ceramic briquettes, which functioned much the same but had the advantage of even heat distribution.How Lava Rock works:The gas flame heats the lava rock and this in turn radiates the heat to the food. The food juices drip on to the lava rock, which turns to vapour and smoke. This raising vapour and smoke bastes the food to give the all-familiar smokey barbecue flavour. This is different to infrared/sear grills which let the drippings fall into a collection tray, where very little flavour is added to the food.Drawbacks with lava rock:As the lava rocks are of different sizes, with gaps between the rocks, this results in hotspots, which means that food needs to be moved around regularly to prevent burning. As grease drippings can run down the lava rock and catch fire from the flame below, lava rock regularly flares-up, especially when cooking greasy food such as chicken legs/breasts. Excess grease can also drip on to the burner below, resulting in port-hole blockages over time, as well as corrosion from excessive juice drippings. With regular use, expect to replace the burners every 5 years. Another problem with lava rock is that it tends to get mouldy, especially when the barbecue is stored over the winter, making it an unpleasant clean-up task when taking the barbecue out of storage.Cooking with a Flame tamerA flame tamer looks like a hat or a sheet of steel bent into a ^ shape, with one flame tamer placed on top of each burner. The vast majority of barbecues sold today are equipped with flame tamers ranging from entry to top-end models, sometimes under different terms such as flavourisers, flavour bars, heat diffusers, etc. Some barbecues have a single large flame tamer that covers all burners, which gives additional surface area for drippings to fall onto.How a Flame Tamer works:Same principle as Lava Rock: The gas flame heats up the flame tamer and this in turn radiates heat to the food. The food juices drip on to the flame tamer, which turns to vapour and smoke. This raising vapour and smoke bastes the food to give the all-familiar barbecue flavour. Don’t confuse the flame tamer based barbecues to infrared grills, which don’t have anything between the burner and the food.Advantages over lava rock:The main advantage with a flame tamer is heat distribution. Everything cooks evenly much like with an infrared grill, which means that food only needs to be turned midway and everything is cooked at once, unlike with lava rock where certain items need to be left on longer to finish cooking. There are no hotspots either, which means no annoying spot burning. Unlike lava rock, the flame tamer completely covers the burner below, preventing grease and juice drippings falling on to the burner. This prevents the burner clogging and also gives it a much longer live. A flame tamer is also a lot easier to clean than lava rock and thus is less prone to getting mouldy when the barbecue is left in storage over a few weeks.

The FT sounds like a better model with the Flame Tamer rather than the Lava Rock as it has the same effect but easier to clean etc. Gutted I can't find one . I've edited the title now, sorry about that oO

NASHJ

The FT sounds like a better model with the Flame Tamer rather than the … The FT sounds like a better model with the Flame Tamer rather than the Lava Rock as it has the same effect but easier to clean etc. Gutted I can't find one . I've edited the title now, sorry about that oO



No worries mate, its made me decide to give it a go anyway! Thanks for the heads up though, last one they had so very well timed

Just thought I'd add mine was the "non lava rock version" which I bought through Sainsbury's but that didn't stop me buying lava rocks anyway and just throwing them in the bottom of the bowl. Seems to work just fine and the food tastes great!

P.S. I picked the lava rocks up at the time in Aldi for 4 quid a box...

Top end like your Weber use Flavorizer® bars not rocks..

Picked up a spirit 310 for £50 B&Q customer return 4 years back
Its a beast but a bit big for 2..

Been on the lookout for a small portable for 2 people
Weber do a go anywhere but £70(charcoal) £120(gas) or Smokey Joe usually over £50 the Q range are stupid expensive.

Went for the Tesco £10(reduced from £20) one for now

The landmann kits is good enough and should give good service.

The cheaper stuff used to be cast got 10 years out of a TEXAS end of season one that was out all winter.


Edited by: "getmore4less" 2nd Aug 2014

Gonna build mine in a bit and try it out
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