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LAP GU10 LED Dimmable Lamps 3.7W 5 Pack £7.99 (Were £19.99) @ Screwfix Free C&C
LAP GU10 LED Dimmable Lamps 3.7W 5 Pack £7.99 (Were £19.99) @ Screwfix Free C&C

LAP GU10 LED Dimmable Lamps 3.7W 5 Pack £7.99 (Were £19.99) @ Screwfix Free C&C

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Have been looking around for some GU10 LED dimmable bulbs to replace the halogen ones in our kitchen and came across these.

I'm lucky to have a Screwfix opened recently 5 minutes away, otherwise Next Day Delivery is £5

These are Cool White and Dimmable. (There was a post last week for Warm White Non-Dimmable)

I needed 15 so its costs me £23.97 which I thought was pretty good.

On Clearance, were £19.99 now £7.99

LAP GU10 LED LAMPS 3.7W 5 PACK

4kWh/1000h. A++ rated. 15,000 hours average rated life.

3 Year Manufacturer's Guarantee

Cool White

Cap Fitting: GU10

Wattage: 3.7W

Equivalent Wattage: 35W

Full Instant Light

Dimmable

Glass Housing

Traditional Halogen Effect

Colour Temperature Value 4000 K

Energy Rating A+

Equivalent Wattage 35 W

Product Diameter 50 mm

Product Length 53 mm

*** Update 23rd October ***

Just an update for anyone who may have subscribed to this post or happens to come across it.

I fitted the first bank of 5 LAP 3.5W LED bulbs replacing the original halogens and the difference was stunning! As a result, I went ahead and replaced all 15 halogen bulbs and they have transformed the kitchen space.

I most certainly didn't need to replace existing 50W halogen bulbs with 5W LED's, these 3.5W are really bright enough. This is possibly down to the number you are replacing, in my case it was 3 banks of 15 bulbs. But the lumen output is great even with just one bank on.

There is no flicker whatsoever, even when you dim the lights low, maybe I've just been lucky with my existing dimmer switch (which is six years old though?) but thankfully I won't need to upgrade the dimmer switch to trailing edge as also suggested.

The whole family really like the new lighting, These cool white LED's are almost like daylight (and not clinical as I thought they might be). It may be because the kitchen is pretty contemporary i.e. high gloss white cabinets and white and green glass tiles on white wall.

These LED bulbs have really made a huge difference, instant on, no flickering and will be costing so much less to run. The kids love them as they can see better when doing their homework or reading...I don't even mind as much when they leave the lights on as I like the way they light up the kitchen...that novelty will wear off soon I suspect!

Good warranty from Screwfix so will take any back that fail. I was so blown away with the transformation from the old halogen bulbs which looked 'yellow' against these I wanted to come back and share my thoughts...I did have a few doubts after some of the comments posted but so pleased I went ahead and bought them anyway.

I've now changed all the bulbs in the house over to warm white LED's, apart from the kitchen which have these cool white. I've been gradually replacing them, buying when Screwfix etc have good deals on the the investment has been minimal. Reading the various reports on the cost savings you achieve from LED's over halogen, CFL etc these should pay for themselves in a relatively short time.

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I got few of these fron the Pound shop. They are 5W 330lm insted of 230lm which these are ir nearly 50% brighter. And only 1 £

Thanks ordered

whok1844

I got few of these fron the Pound shop. They are 5W 330lm insted of 230lm … I got few of these fron the Pound shop. They are 5W 330lm insted of 230lm which these are ir nearly 50% brighter. And only 1 £



​not knocking the poundshop, but these are branded and dimmable.

good find op, heat added

whok1844

I got few of these fron the Pound shop. They are 5W 330lm insted of 230lm … I got few of these fron the Pound shop. They are 5W 330lm insted of 230lm which these are ir nearly 50% brighter. And only 1 £



cant see pound shop selling LED's at £1

cat410

cant see pound shop selling LED's at £1


I've got a few pound shop ones, 3w for bedside lamps and a 5w candle one, they seem pretty good.

Screwfix do 345lm ones for the same price that are dimmable. They also do Philips 390lm for a bit more.
Edited by: "snapdragon" 16th Oct 2016

shadey12

​not knocking the poundshop, but these are branded and dimmable.


I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for £4.99 each which are 7W they get so hot as you cant touch them but all the pound shop ones i bought stay cool, to me lamp getting hot shows that they are inefficient and tha was the main reason i bought more if pound shop one.
Edited by: "whok1844" 16th Oct 2016

whok1844

I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for … I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for £4.99 each which are 7W they get so hot as you cant touch them but all the pound shop ones i bought stay cool, to me lamp getting hot shows that they are inefficient and tha was the main reason i bought more if pound shop one.



​all LEDs are not dimmable, I have some pound land LEDs they are not dimmable and there 3watts

whok1844

I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for … I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for £4.99 each which are 7W they get so hot as you cant touch them but all the pound shop ones i bought stay cool, to me lamp getting hot shows that they are inefficient and tha was the main reason i bought more if pound shop one.


Not all LEDs are dimmable. I'm almost certain the bulb you bought from Ikea was not a LED, it was probably some sort of low energy halogen as LEDs produce almost no heat.
Screwfix sell both the dimmable and non-dimmable types, both are fine. Users may find these 3.5W items rather lacking, I normally fit 5W and find them much better.
Poundland sell non-dimmable LED GU10 bulbs for a pound. I've tried these and they are perfectly good as well. Generally LED bulbs last a very long time (I've fitted hundreds and not has any failures on domestic applications).
Users will almost certainly have to change dimmer switches to the trailing edge type if they move to dimmable LED bulbs (this is quite an easy job and the new switch will only cost about £10).

Edited by: "othen" 16th Oct 2016

I would recommend a 50w equivalent for a kitchen.

3.7 W 35 watt equivalent won't give off great lumen output

Original Poster

Cheeky_Blue

I would recommend a 50w equivalent for a kitchen. 3.7 W 35 watt … I would recommend a 50w equivalent for a kitchen. 3.7 W 35 watt equivalent won't give off great lumen output



Yeah, I was looking for a 50W equivalent but noticed one of the reviewers stating that he was told in-store that these would be OK for a kitchen. I have 15 lights, if they aren't bright enough I'll take them back.

Original Poster

snapdragon

Screwfix do 345lm ones for the same price that are dimmable. They also do … Screwfix do 345lm ones for the same price that are dimmable. They also do Philips 390lm for a bit more.



I didn't see those. Do you have a link please?

If these aren't bright enough I'll maybe exchange them for the ones you mention if they are the same i.e. cool white, dimmable and glass housing?

sabresonic

Yeah, I was looking for a 50W equivalent but noticed one of the reviewers … Yeah, I was looking for a 50W equivalent but noticed one of the reviewers stating that he was told in-store that these would be OK for a kitchen. I have 15 lights, if they aren't bright enough I'll take them back.


With 15 GU10 lamps in one kitchen you will have to wear a welding mask.

Toolstation do 5 x 5w gu10s for £11.48. got some the other day and they are great. I got the warm white ones and they are great in my bathroom, really warm light.The cases are white though so may not look so good in metal fittings, but fine in enclosed fittings.
I suggest if you are after warm white, go for the 2700k, cheaper bulbs are often 3000k, which I find can make skin tones look quite grey if you are directly under them.

do you need to get a special dimmer switch or will they suit the standard switches?

Original Poster

othen

With 15 GU10 lamps in one kitchen you will have to wear a welding mask.



LOL, its not a huge space but it is a kitchen diner with 3 banks of 5 dimmable bulbs for 3 zones...cooking, eating and lounging. So you rarely switch more than 1 zone on at any given time.

Given that they are replacing 15 halogen 50W bulbs and that these are 3.5W (equivalent to 35W) I'm hoping they will be just the job. Beam angle on these is 36°, that should be similar to the halogens which are just right. Although we rarely have all 15 on at once, as they are dimmable its fairly easy to control the light emittance in each zone.

I've spent ages looking around for some retro fit LED bulbs - Glass, Cool White and Dimmable and these are by far the cheapest branded bulbs I've found. There are so many suppliers of LED bulbs these days so these are a safe bet in my opinion whether they come up to scratch or not. £7.99 for 5 bulbs and the fact that I can collect them easily makes them a bargain.

I looked at Screwfix last week and I'm pretty sure these particular ones weren't available at this price, as they are listed 'Clearance' I'm assuming they won't be around for long. I needed to replace 5 that were gone, at this price it made sense to grab 15. Screwfix are pretty good at refunds as well if they aren't up to the job. I didn't want to spend a huge amount on 10-15 bulbs and have the hassle of returning them if they didn't come up to the job.

In any event, they'll hopefully use a hell of a lot less electricity than the existing ones...especially when the kids go downstairs and leave them all on all night!
Edited by: "sabresonic" 16th Oct 2016

aj_GB

do you need to get a special dimmer switch or will they suit the standard … do you need to get a special dimmer switch or will they suit the standard switches?


One problem with standard dimmers is that they have a minimum power rating. If the actual power of the LEDs doesn't add up to this, they will flicker.

sabresonic

LOL, its not a huge space but it is a kitchen diner with 3 banks of 5 … LOL, its not a huge space but it is a kitchen diner with 3 banks of 5 dimmable bulbs for 3 zones...cooking, eating and lounging. So you rarely switch more than 1 zone on at any given time.Given that they are replacing 15 halogen 50W bulbs and that these are 3.5W (equivalent to 35W) I'm hoping they will be just the job. Beam angle on these is 36°, that should be similar to the halogens which are just right. Although we rarely have all 15 on at once, as they are dimmable its fairly easy to control the light emittance in each zone. I've spent ages looking around for some retro fit LED bulbs - Glass, Cool White and Dimmable and these are by far the cheapest branded bulbs I've found. There are so many suppliers of LED bulbs these days so these are a safe bet in my opinion whether they come up to scratch or not. £7.99 for 5 bulbs and the fact that I can collect them easily makes them a bargain. I looked at Screwfix last week and I'm pretty sure these particular ones weren't available at this price, as they are listed 'Clearance' I'm assuming they won't be around for long. I needed to replace 5 that were gone, at this price it made sense to grab 15. Screwfix are pretty good at refunds as well if they aren't up to the job. I didn't want to spend a huge amount on 10-15 bulbs and have the hassle of returning them if they didn't come up to the job. In any event, they'll hopefully use a hell of a lot less electricity than the existing ones...especially when the kids go downstairs and leave them all on all night!


I think this solution will suit you well, it will help a great deal with the thermal management in the kitchen as well as your electricity bills (15*50=750W, or about 10p/hour, the LEDs will cost about 1p/hour to run). I'd still advise fitting 5W LEDs, I think you would find them better, even with quite a large array.
You will almost certainly have to change the dimmer switches to the trailing edge type (Screwfix sell them for about a tenner each) because the minimum power output for the ones you have will probably be about 40w (try them with the new bulbs first though, you will probably get some flickering at low outputs). The investment (about £50 total for switches and GU10s) will pay for itself very quickly (500 hours running - maybe less than 6 months in a kitchen), plus the LEDs last much longer.

Edited by: "othen" 17th Oct 2016

pibpob

One problem with standard dimmers is that they have a minimum power … One problem with standard dimmers is that they have a minimum power rating. If the actual power of the LEDs doesn't add up to this, they will flicker.



yep i thought as much - you have to get a lower power rating dimmer - but i have heard they are fraught with issues..

whok1844

I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for … I belive all leds are dimmable. I have some led lights from ikea for £4.99 each which are 7W they get so hot as you cant touch them but all the pound shop ones i bought stay cool, to me lamp getting hot shows that they are inefficient and tha was the main reason i bought more if pound shop one.



All LEDs are dimmable?

How did you get that idea!

aj_GB

do you need to get a special dimmer switch or will they suit the standard … do you need to get a special dimmer switch or will they suit the standard switches?



Yes, it will work.

What pibpob said is also true.

Dimmable bulbs works on both dimmable switch and non-dimmable switch. You simply do not use the dimmable function when used with non-dimmable switch.
Edited by: "huangxq2" 17th Oct 2016

othen

With 15 GU10 lamps in one kitchen you will have to wear a welding mask.



No, you do not. Hope that you are just making a joke.

I have 15 5W GU10 in my kitchen. Mine is 420lm, 120 degree beam.

They are used at the same time.

aj_GB

yep i thought as much - you have to get a lower power rating dimmer - but … yep i thought as much - you have to get a lower power rating dimmer - but i have heard they are fraught with issues..



Dimmer switches have so much issues, more likely to fail and cost a fortune to replace.

As I do not need dimmable function, I replaced all my house dimmer switches to standard switches, much simple life.

othen

I think this solution will suit you well, it will help a great deal with … I think this solution will suit you well, it will help a great deal with the thermal management in the kitchen as well as your electricity bills (15*50=750W, or about 10p/hour, the LEDs will cost about 1p/hour to run). I'd still advise fitting 5W LEDs, I think you would find them better, even with quite a large array.You will almost certainly have to change the dimmer switches to the trailing edge type (Screwfix sell them for about a tenner each) because the minimum power output for the ones you have will probably be about 40w (try them with the new bulbs first though, you will probably get some flickering at low outputs). The investment (about £50 total for switches and GU10s) will pay for itself very quickly (500 hours running - maybe less than 6 months in a kitchen), plus the LEDs last much longer.




Yes, I would highly recommend 5W over 3w for Kitchen too.

Seen today in Asda. 10 x 5w GU10 LED. 345lm. Dimmable. £4.99 (50p per bulb).

Brewer

Seen today in Asda. 10 x 5w GU10 LED. 345lm. Dimmable. £4.99 (50p per … Seen today in Asda. 10 x 5w GU10 LED. 345lm. Dimmable. £4.99 (50p per bulb).



Which Asda and which brand?

welshblob

Which Asda and which brand?


I bought a box of these GU10 bulbs a few weeks ago (I think they were £7.50/10 at the time). They are okay (Asda own brand) but they don't dim in quite such a linear fashion as do the LAP bulbs from Screwfix. The outcome is that with some trailing edge controllers they flash a little at low power outputs, there seems to be a randomness about this as I have been able to cure the problems by swapping the bulbs around between different controllers. It would seem that some individual bulbs are more sensitive to current than others, so it is probably a QC issue. Other than that the Asda bulbs are a bargain at £5/10, so pick up a box if you see them (and have some GU10 luminaires!).
Edited by: "othen" 18th Oct 2016

You could try connecting a mains-rated capacitor across one of the bulb holders - that was in the instructions for a touch dimmer I recently bought.

welshblob

Which Asda and which brand?



Asda own brand, but seem very well made. Telford (Wrekin retail park) branch. Had around a dozen boxes left after I took two.

Original Poster

*** Update 23rd October ***

Just an update for anyone who may have subscribed to this post or happens to come across it.

I fitted the first bank of 5 LAP 3.5W LED bulbs replacing the original halogens and the difference was stunning! As a result, I went ahead and replaced all 15 halogen bulbs and they have transformed the kitchen space.

I most certainly didn't need to replace existing 50W halogen bulbs with 5W LED's, these 3.5W are really bright enough. This is possibly down to the number you are replacing, in my case it was 3 x banks of 5 bulbs. But the lumen output is great even with just one bank on.

There is no flicker whatsoever, even when you dim the lights low, maybe I've just been lucky with my existing dimmer switch (which is six years old though?) but thankfully I won't need to upgrade the dimmer switch to trailing edge as also suggested.

The whole family really like the new lighting, These cool white LED's are almost like daylight (and not clinical as I thought they might be). It may be because the kitchen is pretty contemporary i.e. high gloss white cabinets and white and green glass tiles on white wall.

These LED bulbs have really made a huge difference, instant on, no flickering and will be costing so much less to run. The kids love them as they can see better when doing their homework or reading...I don't even mind as much when they leave the lights on as I like the way they light up the kitchen...that novelty will wear off soon I suspect!

Good warranty from Screwfix so will take any back that fail. I was so blown away with the transformation from the old halogen bulbs which looked 'yellow' against these I wanted to come back and share my thoughts...I did have a few doubts after some of the comments posted but so pleased I went ahead and bought them anyway.

I've now changed all the bulbs in the house over to warm white LED's, apart from the kitchen which have these cool white. I've been gradually replacing them, buying when Screwfix etc have good deals on the the investment has been minimal. Reading the various reports on the cost savings you achieve from LED's over halogen, CFL etc these should pay for themselves in a relatively short time.
Edited by: "sabresonic" 23rd Oct 2016
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