Larstein Mundschenk 50l  XXL Mash Kettle 3000w All in one ale/beer all grain brewing system at HiFi Tower for £394.99 (poss £362.99 including Quidco and £5 newsletter sign up discount)
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Larstein Mundschenk 50l XXL Mash Kettle 3000w All in one ale/beer all grain brewing system at HiFi Tower for £394.99 (poss £362.99 including Quidco and £5 newsletter sign up discount)

£394.99£517.99 24% HiFi Tower UK Deals
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Found 27th Nov
This is a complete brewing system for ale/beer, like the grainfather, which is about £400 dearer, this holds 50l, the grainfather holds 30l.This Larstein mash kettle, heats water up to mash temperature, keeps a constant mash temperature/length of your choice recirculating the wort, double mash or 2 stage mash possible with this kit, sparge, you will need to heat the sparge water externally for the sparge, bolil time can be altered. All in all this looks like a good bit of kit for a fraction of the price of a grainfather.
This is a must for anyone getting into all grain brewing at £362.99 delivered if you factor in 8% quidco and £5 discount code for signing up to the newsletter, I have just bought one.

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oh - I like this, Heat!

Great deal.

Would it do a boil-wash when hubby wasn't using it?

I'm more of a still man myself, but I am voting hot on the price and the subject.

Homebrew for the win!

Great post! Could it do a batch of gin?
Edited by: "rehydrated" 27th Nov

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rehydrated29 m ago

Great post! Could it do a batch of gin?


this is for brewing beers/ale, so i would have to say no.

rehydrated1 h, 11 m ago

Great post! Could it do a batch of gin?


No, you'd need a still and a license to use it.

You could however make some half-strength 'spirits' (20%abv ish) quite easily if you're patient and want a cheap way to get wrecked
Edited by: "Hotmeal" 27th Nov

How much are the gas heated ones - presumably they’d be cheaper to run long term?

Think this is a must for a Man Cave!!!!

Do some reading before you pull the trigger on one of these. You can get cheaper from AliBaba

30L Example


I will be holding out for a Speidels Braumeister

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edgeone7 m ago

Do some reading before you pull the trigger on one of these. You can get …Do some reading before you pull the trigger on one of these. You can get cheaper from AliBaba 30L ExampleI will be holding out for a Speidels Braumeister

If you have £10000 spare to buy 50 off them go for it, also its the 30l version.
Edited by: "minesastella" 27th Nov

edgeone7 m ago

Do some reading before you pull the trigger on one of these. You can get …Do some reading before you pull the trigger on one of these. You can get cheaper from AliBaba 30L ExampleI will be holding out for a Speidels Braumeister


Yes I really need 50 of these from AliBaba

minesastella7 m ago

If you have £10000 spare to buy 50 off them go for it, also its the 30l …If you have £10000 spare to buy 50 off them go for it, also its the 30l version.


You can buy individually and you can get the 50L version, plenty of the brew forums have discussed this vs ACE etc and how to obtain them from AB and other sources - they're generic and branded under different names.
Edited by: "edgeone" 27th Nov

This is just a fancy boiler, if I were to go for something like this I'd save double this amount and buy a Grainfather.

In all honesty you don't need to spend loads to brew from all grain. I use a Peco boiler and brew in a bag but I started with the stove top method, using things I had around the house. The only thing you may not have is a thermometer which is cheap as chips.

If you fancy brewing from grains, give that Clibit guide a go, that's how I got started.

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edgeone19 m ago

You can buy individually and you can get the 50L version, plenty of the …You can buy individually and you can get the 50L version, plenty of the brew forums have discussed this vs ACE etc and how to obtain them from AB and other sources - they're generic and branded under different names.

Buying from a chinese company with equipment this size you will be paying duty and taxes when it passes through customs, also you are not covered by consumer rights if it becomes faulty etc, I would prefer to purchase from a Uk company, but hey everyone to thei own, I just dont need the headache of something going wrong.
Edited by: "minesastella" 27th Nov

minesastella11 m ago

Buying from a chinese company with equipment this size you will be laying …Buying from a chinese company with equipment this size you will be laying duty and taxes when it passes through customs, also you are not covered by consumer rights if it becomes faulty etc, I would prefer to purchase from a Uk company, but hey everyone to thei own, I just dont need the headache of something going wrong.


You're missing the point that this is easily obtainable for around this price (and from UK sellers). Just read some forums, look on ebay etc. - as others have pointed out it's a basic boiler with a pump - nothing special and you can do the same on a stove with a big pot.

minesastella33 m ago

Buying from a chinese company with equipment this size you will be paying …Buying from a chinese company with equipment this size you will be paying duty and taxes when it passes through customs, also you are not covered by consumer rights if it becomes faulty etc, I would prefer to purchase from a Uk company, but hey everyone to thei own, I just dont need the headache of something going wrong.


Wrong. Buy on a credit card ur covered by section 75 cca

edgeone23 m ago

You're missing the point that this is easily obtainable for around this …You're missing the point that this is easily obtainable for around this price (and from UK sellers). Just read some forums, look on ebay etc. - as others have pointed out it's a basic boiler with a pump - nothing special and you can do the same on a stove with a big pot.



I bought a cheap water pump from China and rigged it up to a 12v battery, I recirculate the wort when I'm doing my mash and sparge. The digital boiler holds the correct mash temperature. It works pretty well tbh and it's a lot cheaper than a Grainfather

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No you are missing the point, I am using a biab setup currently use a buffalo water boiler/urn for my all grain brews I use voile net curtain fabric for my bag and for my hops. I had to modisy my water boiler because I could not get a rolling boil, so I had to mod the boiler to stop this, also I installed a ball valve to my boiler. This makes things so much easier for me, first off the mash can be set for dual mash which I have been doing a lot of recently, this makes this process so easy to do just be pressing a few buttons, the fact you dont have to stand over checking with your thermometer, I willc use my current boiler for my hot liquor boiler. This is good for the money, brewing shops are selling similar items for at least a hundred quid more, brewing shops are supplying you with a converted cool box foe mash tun, coverted fermentation bin for boiler and charging a few hundred for it. I respect your opinion but if you have the money to buy this why not, It will get you brewing a lot quicker than any other equipment.

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Lucifer_UK13 m ago

Wrong. Buy on a credit card ur covered by section 75 cca


you are not covered by our consumer rights, If I buy over here I can be rest assured If within 14 days of arrival I can send It back regardless, you cant do that from items bought from china

minesastella14 m ago

No you are missing the point, I am using a biab setup currently use a …No you are missing the point, I am using a biab setup currently use a buffalo water boiler/urn for my all grain brews I use voile net curtain fabric for my bag and for my hops. I had to modisy my water boiler because I could not get a rolling boil, so I had to mod the boiler to stop this, also I installed a ball valve to my boiler. This makes things so much easier for me, first off the mash can be set for dual mash which I have been doing a lot of recently, this makes this process so easy to do just be pressing a few buttons, the fact you dont have to stand over checking with your thermometer, I willc use my current boiler for my hot liquor boiler. This is good for the money, brewing shops are selling similar items for at least a hundred quid more, brewing shops are supplying you with a converted cool box foe mash tun, coverted fermentation bin for boiler and charging a few hundred for it. I respect your opinion but if you have the money to buy this why not, It will get you brewing a lot quicker than any other equipment.


I'm not knocking it - if it is what you are after then it is a reasonable price - but I think most are voting this up based on the "discount" but you can purchase this or other generic at the same price or lower pretty much all the time. For those starting out - the Cilbit recommendation is spot on. Each to their own, most people would think I'm bonkers for wanting a Speidel set up.

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Show me a link of someone selling it cheaper on fleabay, not that I would use fleabay for a high price item.

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edgeone11 m ago

I'm not knocking it - if it is what you are after then it is a reasonable …I'm not knocking it - if it is what you are after then it is a reasonable price - but I think most are voting this up based on the "discount" but you can purchase this or other generic at the same price or lower pretty much all the time. For those starting out - the Cilbit recommendation is spot on. Each to their own, most people would think I'm bonkers for wanting a Speidel set up.




If I could I would, in a hearbeat design my own home brew system fully automated to my android phone, unfortunatley I am not, and the risk with too many mods is not worth it as I am not an electrician and have a family
Edited by: "minesastella" 27th Nov

Hotmeal1 h, 54 m ago

No, you'd need a still and a license to use it.You could however make some …No, you'd need a still and a license to use it.You could however make some half-strength 'spirits' (20%abv ish) quite easily if you're patient and want a cheap way to get wrecked


The HMRC's position isn't great on this.

gov.uk/gov…-uk

Try and read that.!

1. Everyone must have a license

2. You must have a business plan

3. They expect you to be running stills of at least 1800 litres. If you are using a still less than that they will consider a proposal (micro distilleries and the like).

4. "We’ll not issue a distiller’s licence to produce spirits for your own use." (2.5 Applying for a distiller’s licence)

So, it's legal to buy a still, and buy the ingredients, but technically they will not allow someone to make their own spirit for personal use. It's a nonsense. Basically, then don't want to encourage spirit making at home as they would not be able to effectively tax it, and quite like the 60%+ that they take off you everytime you buy a bottle of Gin. So they leave the idea nebulous, hoping to scare off the weak minded.

I'll continue to use my t500 to distill my "water" until they change their mind, which they won't.

Wonder if this will fit under the stairs. In for a penny,in for a pound. Thanks OP, I think

cheapo36 m ago

The HMRC's position isn't great on this. …The HMRC's position isn't great on this. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/excise-notice-39-spirits-production-in-the-uk/excise-notice-39-spirits-production-in-the-ukTry and read that.!1. Everyone must have a license2. You must have a business plan3. They expect you to be running stills of at least 1800 litres. If you are using a still less than that they will consider a proposal (micro distilleries and the like).4. "We’ll not issue a distiller’s licence to produce spirits for your own use." (2.5 Applying for a distiller’s licence)So, it's legal to buy a still, and buy the ingredients, but technically they will not allow someone to make their own spirit for personal use. It's a nonsense. Basically, then don't want to encourage spirit making at home as they would not be able to effectively tax it, and quite like the 60%+ that they take off you everytime you buy a bottle of Gin. So they leave the idea nebulous, hoping to scare off the weak minded. I'll continue to use my t500 to distill my "water" until they change their mind, which they won't.


Yeh it's most likely down to tax mainly, I remember reading it some time back when I was interested in making some moonshine but the fact you have to make over a certain amount to be even considered an application is bonkers, the rules they put in place to keep the tax...

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bigmacandfries1 h, 21 m ago

Wonder if this will fit under the stairs. In for a penny,in for a pound. …Wonder if this will fit under the stairs. In for a penny,in for a pound. Thanks OP, I think


when not in use this will fit under the stair, not sure about doing a full brew under the stairs unless you are a small persona and like hot places ;-}

Its a £50 tea urn with some accessories, no way its worth £395. It requires upgrades to make functional, checkout magicalpancake's videos on Youtube. He had to replace the bazooka filter and then his control panel melted. I'd recommend just using a tea urn and go fully custom from the beginning, or if you want the best experience with zero work then buy into the premium Grainfather's ecosystem.

And I've contacted the seller on Alibaba and they won't sell direct to customers, and even if they did the shipping costs would come to more than the UK price, so they tell you to buy from the UK reseller which is called Ace.
Edited by: "malhal" 27th Nov

This is a mk1 version. It is very difficult to lift the grain tub out if you are making a full batch.

ripofffamiliesforfun10 m ago

This is a mk1 version. It is very difficult to lift the grain tub out if …This is a mk1 version. It is very difficult to lift the grain tub out if you are making a full batch.


there was a version before this one that used a grain bag.

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malhal12 m ago

Its a £50 tea urn with some accessories, no way its worth £395. It r …Its a £50 tea urn with some accessories, no way its worth £395. It requires upgrades to make functional, checkout magicalpancake's videos on Youtube. He had to replace the bazooka filter and then his control panel melted. I'd recommend just using a tea urn and go fully custom from the beginning, or if you want the best experience with zero work then buy into the premium Grainfather's ecosystem.


its a ton plus from nisbets for a 40l urn if you actually live in the uk, also as this is sold in the uk you have a 14 day cooling off period to test the product. if it breaks within the year, you can return for a refund, a bonus of living in the uk. Grainfather is good, again a tea urn on steroids.
Edited by: "minesastella" 27th Nov

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ripofffamiliesforfun23 m ago

This is a mk1 version. It is very difficult to lift the grain tub out if …This is a mk1 version. It is very difficult to lift the grain tub out if you are making a full batch.


i will keep you posted mine arrives friday, i will be doing a brew saturday, maybe need to do some minor mods to it

minesastella3 h, 53 m ago

If you have £10000 spare to buy 50 off them go for it, also its the 30l …If you have £10000 spare to buy 50 off them go for it, also its the 30l version.



£200. each.

minesastella3 h, 32 m ago

you are not covered by our consumer rights, If I buy over here I can be …you are not covered by our consumer rights, If I buy over here I can be rest assured If within 14 days of arrival I can send It back regardless, you cant do that from items bought from china


mate... you are wrong... if you buy anything using a british credit card from anywhere in the world that value of which is over £100 and you use a credit card to make full of part payment - the credit card company is both jointly and severally liable for the product in as much as a retailer would be. If that product breaks down and does not live up to expectation you can call the damn cc company and get them to facilitate a repair in the same way you would get a standard retailer to do so.

please dont reply without searching facts.

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Lucifer_UK15 m ago

mate... you are wrong... if you buy anything using a british credit card …mate... you are wrong... if you buy anything using a british credit card from anywhere in the world that value of which is over £100 and you use a credit card to make full of part payment - the credit card company is both jointly and severally liable for the product in as much as a retailer would be. If that product breaks down and does not live up to expectation you can call the damn cc company and get them to facilitate a repair in the same way you would get a standard retailer to do so. please dont reply without searching facts.


A credit card will not faciltate a refund unless it is proved the goods are faulty or are returned/ and hecked, which for this item would prove rather costly.. Non receipt is another matter, a chargeback would be more easy to accomplish as i have done on a few occasions.

Use your T500 to distill Bio-Fuel (Ethanol) for your heater or car and your allowed to make loads off it or so I've heard.
Or even better build one yourself with a 40L Bufallo boiler and some 54mm copper pipe and some basic soldering skills
Edited by: "paulandpam1" 27th Nov

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paulandpam16 m ago

Use your T500 to distill Bio-Fuel (Ethanol) for your heater or car and …Use your T500 to distill Bio-Fuel (Ethanol) for your heater or car and your allowed to make loads off it or so I've heard.Or even better build one yourself with a 40L Bufallo boiler and some 54mm copper pipe and some basic soldering skills


hmm any links, sounds good

minesastella6 m ago

hmm any links, sounds good


If you have seen a T500 and have some soldering skills it's not to hard to copy the design, It's basically a LM still (Google is your friend) or even easier to build is a Bokakob.

Just get a tried and tested Grainfather.
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