Ledlenser 9807M T7M Tactical LED Torch, Gift Box - Black £26.99 @ Amazon
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Ledlenser 9807M T7M Tactical LED Torch, Gift Box - Black £26.99 @ Amazon

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Found 3rd FebMade hot 3rd Feb
For those who missed the P7. 2 last week. Here is the T7M for £26.99

Personally I think this is better than the P7. 2

57 Comments

aaa's ? how amusing

opinions everyone?

Got it last time it was cheap, great torch.

tomminator

aaa's ? how amusing


I have the P7.2 which also takes AAAs and they do OK but if they did use AAs it would make the torch pretty large but with the advancement in battery technology I can't understand why they don't use the "New" 18650 battery which is becoming very popular and pretty cheap now.

tomminator

aaa's ? how amusing



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OK so you’re easily amused

brianfj1200

I have the P7.2 which also takes AAAs and they do OK but if they did use … I have the P7.2 which also takes AAAs and they do OK but if they did use AAs it would make the torch pretty large but with the advancement in battery technology I can't understand why they don't use the "New" 18650 battery which is becoming very popular and pretty cheap now.


LED Lenser do an R range which have Li-ion batteries and are more expensive than this. Of course you then need a charger / power bank / solar panel / hand crank, and a 4-5 hours charging time. But the choice is there depending on your requirements.

Cue discussion of cheap Chinese clones and more expensive alternatives which are twice the price...

Anybody know the difference between this and the P7.2 from last week?

A lumin rating would be helpful...

Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:

P7.2
High Power, 250 lumens
Low Power, 40 lumens
Boost, 320 lumens

T7M
High Power, 300 lumens
Low Power, 40 lumens
Boost, 400 lumens
Zoom lens lock.
Glass-breaking tail cap.
Constant or run down energy modes.
Variable Dim, Blink, SOS and Strobe functions.
Use of high current rechargeables (NiMH) is supported

They have the same zoom lens, IPX4 water resistance, case and lanyard.
Edited by: "IT.Troll" 3rd Feb

IT.Troll

Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:P7.2High Power, 250 lumensLow Power, … Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:P7.2High Power, 250 lumensLow Power, 40 lumensBoost, 320 lumensT7MHigh Power, 300 lumensLow Power, 40 lumensBoost, 400 lumensZoom lens lock.Glass-breaking tail cap.Constant or run down energy modes.Variable Dim, Blink, SOS and Strobe functions.They have the same zoom lens, IPX4 water resistance, case and lanyard.



​Excellent thank you. I bought the P7.2 last week when it was on offer but think I may send it back and get this one for an extra couple of quid.

Moonhead1980

​Excellent thank you. I bought the P7.2 last week when it was on offer b … ​Excellent thank you. I bought the P7.2 last week when it was on offer but think I may send it back and get this one for an extra couple of quid.


You get slightly higher lumens, but slightly lower run times. So it really depends on if the extra functions are useful to you.

Does tactical just mean it is heavy enough to rattle across somebody's head?

IT.Troll

Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:P7.2High Power, 250 lumensLow Power, … Differences between the P7.2 and T7M:P7.2High Power, 250 lumensLow Power, 40 lumensBoost, 320 lumensT7MHigh Power, 300 lumensLow Power, 40 lumensBoost, 400 lumensZoom lens lock.Glass-breaking tail cap.Constant or run down energy modes.Variable Dim, Blink, SOS and Strobe functions.Use of high current rechargeables (NiMH) is supportedThey have the same zoom lens, IPX4 water resistance, case and lanyard.


What's a high current NiMH? Just got the p7.2 and it warns against using high current batteries and accumulators (?) So got to be something greater than 1.5v I guess?

Meathotukdeals

What's a high current NiMH? Just got the p7.2 and it warns against using … What's a high current NiMH? Just got the p7.2 and it warns against using high current batteries and accumulators (?) So got to be something greater than 1.5v I guess?


That's the voltage. Current is amps. A high current AAA NiMH would be rated around 1000 mAh. The T7M has extra power control circuitry so it can cope with a wider range of batteries. Some people use rechargeables in the P7.2 but there is a slight risk.

IT.Troll

That's the voltage. Current is amps. A high current AAA NiMH would be … That's the voltage. Current is amps. A high current AAA NiMH would be rated around 1000 mAh. The T7M has extra power control circuitry so it can cope with a wider range of batteries. Some people use rechargeables in the P7.2 but there is a slight risk.


Of course! Sorry in a mad rush .thanks

bum-trumpet

Does tactical just mean it is heavy enough to rattle across somebody's … Does tactical just mean it is heavy enough to rattle across somebody's head?



In this context I think it's more that it has Zoomable lens, a "defence" mode (rapid strobe) and a hard bit on the end which is supposedly good enough to smash glass - although I haven't tried this!!

With the lanyard on though, you could probably get a good ole whallop!
Edited by: "tehwabbit" 3rd Feb

tehwabbit

In this context I think it's more that it has Zoomable lens, a "defence" … In this context I think it's more that it has Zoomable lens, a "defence" mode (rapid strobe) and a hard bit on the end which is supposedly good enough to smash glass - although I haven't tried this!!With the lanyard on though, you could probably get a good ole whallop!



​I think tactical just means it can be used as a sort of club if need be. Theres a smaller led lenser flashlight which is even brighter and lighter than this, and basically superior in every way as long as you're not fighting burglars with it

Bought something that looks exactly the same, a "cree" torch from China for £1.99 and its great. Can't see this being any brighter or last any longer, considering it's almost certainly made in China too

Don't need one of these. Got one thanks

Ordered thanks!

PhilK

Bought something that looks exactly the same, a "cree" torch from China … Bought something that looks exactly the same, a "cree" torch from China for £1.99 and its great. Can't see this being any brighter or last any longer, considering it's almost certainly made in China too



This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last week, and it's amazing. I don't see why anyone would spend more than a tenner on a torch unless you're in the forces, police, etc... (and then they would be issued to you).

Genuine question for those buying Ledlenser torches - what makes them appeal to you over the cheaper cree torches, etc..?

horsepills

This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last … This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last week, and it's amazing. I don't see why anyone would spend more than a tenner on a torch unless you're in the forces, police, etc... (and then they would be issued to you).Genuine question for those buying Ledlenser torches - what makes them appeal to you over the cheaper cree torches, etc..?



Just an observation at a glance....

The Cree you've linked - 'Output bright can come to 140 lumens (MAX)'

The T7M posted - Max 400 lumens

I've bought the T7M to see what its all about :-)

horsepills

This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last … This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last week, and it's amazing. I don't see why anyone would spend more than a tenner on a torch unless you're in the forces, police, etc... (and then they would be issued to you).Genuine question for those buying Ledlenser torches - what makes them appeal to you over the cheaper cree torches, etc..?


It would be great if things like that are issued, they often aren't and what you get is usually pretty rotten. Remember police and military equipment is provided by the lowest bidder, and the police don't even get that much a lot of their kit they are personally responsible for buying(boots etc being the most common one)

Taylor1892

Just an observation at a glance....The Cree you've linked - 'Output … Just an observation at a glance....The Cree you've linked - 'Output bright can come to 140 lumens (MAX)'The T7M posted - Max 400 lumensI've bought the T7M to see what its all about :-)


So slightly brighter - which doesn't show much extra - is worth paying 10-12 times as much ?

horsepills

This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last … This is what I was thinking - I bought this Cree one from Amazon last week, and it's amazing. I don't see why anyone would spend more than a tenner on a torch unless you're in the forces, police, etc... (and then they would be issued to you).Genuine question for those buying Ledlenser torches - what makes them appeal to you over the cheaper cree torches, etc..?



I've bought the cheaper torches, yes some are bright and a lot cheaper however some have reliability issues. I've had one with the zoom break and another where the switch wouldn't always work.
So I gave up and bought one of these, been using it for over a year on a daily basis with no reliability issues whatsoever and the build quality is great

PhilK

So slightly brighter - which doesn't show much extra - is worth paying … So slightly brighter - which doesn't show much extra - is worth paying 10-12 times as much ?


Well 3.5 times more expensive and around 3 times brighter. You also get a proper zooming spot rather than the weird square blob you get with the cheap copies.
Edited by: "IT.Troll" 3rd Feb

I have the Lenser and a cheap chinese one.
Link for the Chinese one is here:-
clicky

The Chinese one is very good, can use 3 different kinds of batteries but the rubber switch on the rear is rubbish and can be a faff selecting the right mode. Reckon that will be the first thing to fail.
I use that torch as my main torch and keep the Lenser for when I go cat burgling. Can't be faffing around with a switch when looking for a quick exit then having a seizure because you selected strobe.



Edited by: "Bad.Actor" 3rd Feb

personally i went for the last one 7.2, being cheaper and most importantly lighter at 100grams. this i think is 180grams. the small light gain is not tipping the balance for me

Taylor1892

Just an observation at a glance....The Cree you've linked - 'Output … Just an observation at a glance....The Cree you've linked - 'Output bright can come to 140 lumens (MAX)'The T7M posted - Max 400 lumensI've bought the T7M to see what its all about :-)



I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches - the 140 lumens one I linked to above, and a 700 lumens torch - and my 140 lumens cree torch is way brighter. oO

amichaelglg

personally i went for the last one 7.2, being cheaper and most … personally i went for the last one 7.2, being cheaper and most importantly lighter at 100grams. this i think is 180grams. the small light gain is not tipping the balance for me



I'm not sure where you got 100 grams from but the 7.2 is 175g and the T7M is 180g.

PhilK

So slightly brighter - which doesn't show much extra - is worth paying … So slightly brighter - which doesn't show much extra - is worth paying 10-12 times as much ?



Guess I'll find out!

horsepills

I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches … I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches - the 140 lumens one I linked to above, and a 700 lumens torch - and my 140 lumens cree torch is way brighter. oO



Me either, I was just comparing two values and not answering your original question of appeal of a torch.

The appeal for me is: its not a Chinese brand and seems to be a well recognised brand.

Although I'm tempted by the amount of positive feedback for the Chinese torches.

horsepills

I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches … I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches - the 140 lumens one I linked to above, and a 700 lumens torch - and my 140 lumens cree torch is way brighter. oO


There are industry testing standards but some of the no name torches get a little inventive with their claims. £3 torch that does 3500 lumens X)
Side-by-side testing reveals otherwise, as you have found.

IT.Troll

Well 3.5 times more expensive and around 3 times brighter. You also get a … Well 3.5 times more expensive and around 3 times brighter. You also get a proper zooming spot rather than the weird square blob you get with the cheap copies.


Seems to me you're trying to justify unnecessary expenditure. I know - Ive done it before myself ! X)

Also, the cheap Chinese CREE torches almost certainly do not have actual CREE LEDs. Loads of different lights on eBay claim to have CREE LEDs and 60000 lumens etc etc, but Chinese companies making proper CREE torches charge a pretty penny for them under brands that aren't well known. So there must be a reason why the eBay ones can be a fraction of the cost and claim to be just as powerful or more powerful. Usually it's because they don't even make a fraction of the light output that they claim and are made very poorly.

It's like somebody thinking their Dacia 4x4 is a luxury vehicle and rolling up next to a Range Rover and claiming to have bought the exact same thing for a fraction of the price. Sure, it has 4 wheels and can go off road, but sit in the Range Rover and it'll be very apparent that it's not the same thing.

Having bought the 7.2 last week I can say that this thing is built like a tank and will likely last longer than I will. That said, for a few quid more I think I'll return the 7.2 and get this one. The extra lumens is nice, plus although the runtime is shorter on the lowest (super dim) setting, it's longer on the medium and high settings that most people will be using, weirdly. (Doesn't make much sense, but that's what Amazon says.)

I also like the lockable zoom, but I don't expect to be attacking anybody with it, not knocking out any windows.

I have a coast hp7r . it's hands down the best torch I've ever owned

horsepills

I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches … I don't really understand all this "lumens" business. I have two torches - the 140 lumens one I linked to above, and a 700 lumens torch - and my 140 lumens cree torch is way brighter. oO



Anything with a Cree bulb will seem way brighter than a standard bulb torch. I have a a P7 200 lumens & a XT1100GT quoted 2000 lumens (slight advertising lie) recently purchased (which I was enticed to instead of a T7M from the last thread on here) & I thought the P7 was well bright before the XT landed on my mat.
Edited by: "Kulaak" 3rd Feb

brianfj1200

I have the P7.2 which also takes AAAs and they do OK but if they did use … I have the P7.2 which also takes AAAs and they do OK but if they did use AAs it would make the torch pretty large but with the advancement in battery technology I can't understand why they don't use the "New" 18650 battery which is becoming very popular and pretty cheap now.


Well all the good output regulated torches do.

Hope this is as good as you all say, just ordered one

they don't last the buttons always fail . and warranty claim in to much hassle
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