Lenovo Carbon X1 Haswell i7-GT3 £1136 with Boxing Day Code
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Lenovo Carbon X1 Haswell i7-GT3 £1136 with Boxing Day Code

£1,136.27
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Found 26th Dec 2014
This is not a cheap "ultrabook" but a business class laptop with many options and on-site support. It's expensive but IMHO worth it - will also keep its value even after 3 years:

To get at this price:

- Use URL, select Lowest model (943.49)
- Select i7-4550U (this is the GT3 HD 5000 version)
- Select 14.0” WQHD (2560x1440), 300nit, IPS panel
- Remove Mini-DisplayPort / VGA Monitor Cable - you don't need that do you?

Specs at this price:

- 3 years ON-SITE support from IBM (they still do the support for it)

- i7-4550U - up to 3GHz Turbo, 2 cores, 4 threads, ULV 15W that does not throttle (see NotebookCheck review) [pretty much top of range except i7-4600U which has lower graphics]

- GT3 HD 5000 graphics with 40 Compute Units, and since it is 2x4 SIMD equivalent to 320 shaders - up to 1.1GHz Turbo. At 15W it does not get better than that.

- 2x4GB DDR3L 16000 memory, unfortunately soldered

- 14.0” WQHD (2560x1440), 300nit, IPS - this is NOT Pentile, this has full resolution. You can use up to 200% (192 dpi) in Windows with plenty of screen estate.

- 128GB M.2/NGFF SSD - unfortunately the upgrades are expensive, you are better off buying an upgrade (e.g. Crucial M550 M.2 512GB for ~£200) and change yourself

- 2x2 802.11AC WiFi 7260 - latest drivers now work + Bluetooth

- Backlit UK keyboard

- 1.27kg - does not get much better than this for 14" platform

- SIM slot / antennas - you can buy the equivalent WWAN 3G card on eBay for about £36 - (N5321 Mobile Broadband HSPA+) if you don't want to pay the £60 now

What's not so hot about it:

- It is expensive, but 14" ultrabook with i7 GT3 and high-res IPS screen graphics is not cheap - even Dell's XPS13 is similar money (though more storage)

- Likely you need to upgrade the SSD and M.2/NGFF options are even more expensive than mSATA. But if you can live with it - once OEMs transition fully to M.2 then next year they should get far cheaper.

- Memory is soldered but similar ultrabooks from Dell, HP, etc. (or Apple also have soldered memory.

- Not Touch-Screen but the option exists if you're willing to pay for it

- No SD card slot

- M.2/NGFF slot is SATA600 - does not support PCIe SSD like Samsung PX941 unfortunately...

Anyway, enjoy!

16 Comments

Don't see how it will keep its value after 3 years. It will be outdated like any other laptop.
Lenovo are over rated IMHO.

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DistortedVision

Don't see how it will keep its value after 3 years. It will be outdated … Don't see how it will keep its value after 3 years. It will be outdated like any other laptop.Lenovo are over rated IMHO.



Have a look at the 2nd-hand deals here on HUKD - mainly Thinpads? They still sell for a decent price 2nd hand on eBay - you won't find the previous gen X1 on eBay for a lot less...

I'd rather spend £600 on a laptop then buy a new one costing £600 3 years later than buying this. Each unto their own. Good luck!

I have one of these, it's replaced my MacBook...brilliant bit of kit. Only mine has 16gb of ram. Hot, even with the reduced ram.

Adrian7

Have a look at the 2nd-hand deals here on HUKD - mainly Thinkpads? They … Have a look at the 2nd-hand deals here on HUKD - mainly Thinkpads? They still sell for a decent price 2nd hand on eBay - you won't find the previous gen X1 on eBay for a lot less...



True but that's based on Thinkpads being good. This level of Lenovo lappy has a better chance of holding value than the rest because the rest are crap. Not proper Thinkpads any more. Bendy (chiclet) keyboards and glossy screens give it away..

x200, x220, t61, t420 are some good ones but Thinkpad has lost its appeal as a workhorse for people who do computing.

Interesting to see if Lenovos names "x1 Carbon" can hold their value though.
Edited by: "wide" 26th Dec 2014

Don't buy this laptop!! I have this as a work laptop (with the touchscreen & top spec ) and it is only 6 months old as do many of the 100,000 strong work force in my company. It is plagued with problems and if it overheats at all, the motherboard will need to be replaced. I like many others have had countless Lenovo engineers out to replace the screen, motherboard, cpu. Plus issues with the TPM chip. If you want a Lenovo go with the high end Yoga or buy a Dell or HP equivalent.

DistortedVision

I'd rather spend £600 on a laptop then buy a new one costing £600 3 years … I'd rather spend £600 on a laptop then buy a new one costing £600 3 years later than buying this. Each unto their own. Good luck!



Say that again.....

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Si_Gman

Don't buy this laptop!! I have this as a work laptop (with the … Don't buy this laptop!! I have this as a work laptop (with the touchscreen & top spec ) and it is only 6 months old as do many of the 100,000 strong work force in my company. It is plagued with problems and if it overheats at all, the motherboard will need to be replaced. I like many others have had countless Lenovo engineers out to replace the screen, motherboard, cpu. Plus issues with the TPM chip. If you want a Lenovo go with the high end Yoga or buy a Dell or HP equivalent.



You must have got the old batch - see NotebookCheck review, it did use to throttle on the old BIOS. Not heard of issues with TPM chip - it's just a standard 1.2 ST-Micro TPM (XPS uses Almel). But I think you can select Intel's internal 2.0 as well?

That is strange; my XPS 13 i7 idles about 46C just now with 80C at full utilisation (paste changed to AS5).

The X1 Carbon i7 idles lower at 40C and 76C at full power (also paste changed to AS5). IMHO it runs far cooler and more silent.

Original Poster

wide

True but that's based on Thinkpads being good. This level of Lenovo lappy … True but that's based on Thinkpads being good. This level of Lenovo lappy has a better chance of holding value than the rest because the rest are crap. Not proper Thinkpads any more. Bendy (chiclet) keyboards and glossy screens give it away..x200, x220, t61, t420 are some good ones but Thinkpad has lost its appeal as a workhorse for people who do computing.Interesting to see if Lenovos names "x1 Carbon" can hold their value though.



Keyboard is indeed a pity to have changed - but everybody's copying Apple now - and at least it is backlit; Thinklight was good but I prefer a backlit keyboard?

They also do give you IPS screen options - while Dell, HP rarely did - the X220 was quite something with IPS.

You can also select any options you want on-line, Dell seems to have removed most customisations - unless you telephone your "sales rep" and faff around with quotes and so on.

This does NOT have a glossy screen - it is the non-touch version; unfortunately with Windows 8.x they pretty much had to add a touchscreen on at least some models - and those pretty much need to be glass thus glossy. Perhaps they could do something about that but it's what everybody's doing.

Between Apple & Microsoft IMHO Lenovo just picked up some bad habits without listening to their corporate customers - but then again most companies would do exactly the same...

Adrian7

Keyboard is indeed a pity to have changed - but everybody's copying Apple … Keyboard is indeed a pity to have changed - but everybody's copying Apple now - and at least it is backlit; Thinklight was good but I prefer a backlit keyboard?They also do give you IPS screen options - while Dell, HP rarely did - the X220 was quite something with IPS.You can also select any options you want on-line, Dell seems to have removed most customisations - unless you telephone your "sales rep" and faff around with quotes and so on. This does NOT have a glossy screen - it is the non-touch version; unfortunately with Windows 8.x they pretty much had to add a touchscreen on at least some models - and those pretty much need to be glass thus glossy. Perhaps they could do something about that but it's what everybody's doing.Between Apple & Microsoft IMHO Lenovo just picked up some bad habits without listening to their corporate customers - but then again most companies would do exactly the same...



Thinklight is a big concern for me, I use it a whole lot on my t61, but I'd *definitely* like to try backlit. I worry though that dimming might not be good enough for ... I need a very dim environment to concentrate, if the keys are bright white I just can't use it.

this is a bargain. If you don't know why, go learn about the difference between consumer laptops and professional ones.

There's a huge difference, hence the price difference

newsgroupmonkey

this is a bargain. If you don't know why, go learn about the difference … this is a bargain. If you don't know why, go learn about the difference between consumer laptops and professional ones. There's a huge difference, hence the price difference


Best not to assume that Professional means better as it's not always the case with laptops as some OEMs have a wide range of Pro models and some are no better than consumer ones but just come with better warranties; which you pay through the nose for often as well.

E.g. I'm a fan of the top end Dell Latitudes but the low end ones are ordinary.

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Agharta

Best not to assume that Professional means better as it's not always the … Best not to assume that Professional means better as it's not always the case with laptops as some OEMs have a wide range of Pro models and some are no better than consumer ones but just come with better warranties; which you pay through the nose for often as well.E.g. I'm a fan of the top end Dell Latitudes but the low end ones are ordinary.



Usually on-site warranty comes as standard on business while consumer has collect & return; having it included like here saves you anywhere between 6-20% for 3 years depending on deal at the time - e.g. Dell XPS. Some may not be bothered but for me on-site warranty is a requirement.

I did mention Dell Latitude E7000 is great and suggested it in other threads; but "new" it is expensive - even more than X1 unless it's an Outlet deal where they are not new even if they are "as new".

Except the 7000 series I think the older ones are too thick/heavy and until recently no IPS options. Against the X1 it has some benefits like 2 memory slots, removable battery and non-whitelist BIOS - but it is still a much thicker and heavier; 1080p IPS screen is good but X1's is a lot better with higher density. I've had an E7440, XPS 13 (9333) and now X1.

I personally also like that Lenovo releases loads of BIOS updates, ME firmware updates, drivers, SSD firmware, and so on - while Dell seems to lose interest after a while. I do wish Lenovo would not lock their BIOSes so that other WiFi/WWAN adapters could be used - but eBay does provide

Original Poster

Forgot to say - this has no SD card reader - the consumer Yoga does have one. The XPS 13 does not have SD either - but somehow the E7440 does?

Also X1 uses M.2/NGFF for all cards (WiFi, 3G, SSD) while the E7440 uses mini-PCIe (actually has 2.5" slot but mSATA SSD in adapter/interposer); XPS has M.2 for WiFi but mSATA for SSD so a bit of a mix. mSATA SSDs are currently cheaper than M.2 ones at least for now...

Unfortunately the X1 does not support PCIe NGFF SSDs like the Samsung PX941 which is a pity.

Thanks for posting this deal, Adrian7.
I'm waiting for the 3rd gen X1 with Broadwell. Hope it will be priced fairly!

Original Poster

charlie12

Thanks for posting this deal, Adrian7.I'm waiting for the 3rd gen X1 with … Thanks for posting this deal, Adrian7.I'm waiting for the 3rd gen X1 with Broadwell. Hope it will be priced fairly!



Also waiting for that for a 2nd X1 for someone else - but not sure if it will be worth it? Based on leaked Dell E7540/7520 mentioned above there are no really major changes with Broadwell - it is just a minor update on a smaller process. The CPU is barely 10% faster if that and while EV8 GPU is faster - 24 CUs won't beat Haswell's GT3 40 CUs? Until Easter there are unlikely to be 10-15% off like now.

Broadwell is supposed to have a short shelf-life anyway with Skylake being a major update for both CPU & GPU (EV9) so may be worth getting cheap top-end Haswell now and then upgrade to Skylake that should bring more benefits?

About the only thing I'd like is PCIe M.2/NGFF SSD support for faster SSDs like Plextor / Samsung PX941 though it does not make a huge difference.
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