Lenovo S21E-20 11.6 Inch Intel 2.16GHz 2GB/32GB Win 8.1/Win 10 £107.99 @ Argos ebay (refurb)
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Lenovo S21E-20 11.6 Inch Intel 2.16GHz 2GB/32GB Win 8.1/Win 10 £107.99 @ Argos ebay (refurb)

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Found 5th Feb 2016
Currently an extra 10% off to bring it down to this price - automatically at checkout. Pretty decent price for a basic light weight laptop. Webcam, SD Card slot, USB 3.0, micro-HDMI, WiFi etc. The usual 12 Month Argos Guarantee.

This thin, lightweight design is the perfect travel companion. So whether you're off to another meeting or another country, this latop means portabilty is a walk in the park.
CPU, Memory and Operating System:
Intel Pentium n3540 quad core processor.
32GB eMMC hard drive.
Microsoft Windows 8.1.
This device can be upgraded to Windows 10 for free.
Display features:
11.6 inch screen.
High definition display.
Resolution 1366 x 768 pixels.
Graphics:
Shared graphics card.
Interfaces and connectivity:
SD media card reader.
1 USB 2.0 port.
1 USB 3.0 port.
Wi-Fi enabled.
Multimedia features:
VGA webcam.
Built-in mic.
Dolby sound system.
General features:
Up to 5 hours battery life.
Size H1.89, W29.5, D21.24cm.
Weight 1.15kg.
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is this any good anyone got one ?
The CPU is not bad for the system & the price, my main concern (& I say this ignoring the price) is the RAM. 2GB definitely needs upgrading. However, when you factor in the price & the CPU (no idea about the screen quality, which should be an important factor to consider), I think its an awesome deal for a casual laptop.

Overall, a MUCH better deal than some posted over the past few days.

Edited by: "Kayote" 5th Feb 2016
I have one!

Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from Argos running Windows 8 and upgraded it with a free upgrade to Windows 10 (a horror story to do because of lack of free space)

Good little laptop for casual use and light office use.

Things to bear in mind :-

* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the memory
* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the main drive.
* You can add extra storage via the SD card slot though.
* Storage space is TIGHT. Theres very little left with Windows 10 on there.
* Decent enough display - i've watched 720p movies no problems.

Its not slug slow by any means, but likewise dont overload it.

Think of it like a city car - nimble around town for the purpose it was intended, but load it up or long motorway runs and its going to struggle.



Edited by: "pgilc1" 5th Feb 2016
pgilc1

I have one!Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from … I have one!Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from Argos running Windows 8 and upgraded it with a free upgrade to Windows 10 (a horror story to do because of lack of free space)Good little laptop for casual use and light office use.Things to bear in mind :-* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the memory* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the main drive.* You can add extra storage via the SD card slot though.* Storage space is TIGHT. Theres very little left with Windows 10 on there. * Decent enough display - i've watched 720p movies no problems.Its not slug slow by any means, but likewise dont overload it. Think of it like a city car - nimble around town for the purpose it was intended, but load it up or long motorway runs and its going to struggle.



what's battery life like?

Think of it as like a linx tablet with an attached k/board. there is a review of this on notebookreview/check IIRC - have a look at that before making up your mind.
Edited by: "zaheer2003" 5th Feb 2016
zaheer2003

what's battery life like?Think of it as like a linx tablet with an … what's battery life like?Think of it as like a linx tablet with an attached k/board. there is a review of this on notebookreview/check IIRC - have a look at that before making up your mind.



Battery life is very good - by virtue of the fact it doesnt have a moving hard disk to power or a power hungry processor.

pgilc1

I have one!Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from … I have one!Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from Argos running Windows 8 and upgraded it with a free upgrade to Windows 10 (a horror story to do because of lack of free space)Good little laptop for casual use and light office use.Things to bear in mind :-* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the memory* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the main drive.* You can add extra storage via the SD card slot though.* Storage space is TIGHT. Theres very little left with Windows 10 on there. * Decent enough display - i've watched 720p movies no problems.Its not slug slow by any means, but likewise dont overload it. Think of it like a city car - nimble around town for the purpose it was intended, but load it up or long motorway runs and its going to struggle.



There won't be much hard drive space left because you will still have the recovery partition for 8.1 taking up a massive 5.8gb space. What you need to do is make a system image back up of the windows 10 OS onto a usb drive and then boot it from usb. It will then install a fresh windows 10 without the Lenovo bloatware and it will remove the windows 8.1 partition. You will have up to 20gb of space after the install.

Lakeside

Looks goodThis one or this one … Looks goodThis one or this one http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-yoga-300-11-6-intel-cel-2gb-32gb-convertible-laptop-win10-webcam-ac-wifi-2390122 though



Sure I checked the benchmarks on that and this processor has twice the rating of the Yoga.

I wish they'd just stick 4GB in these. For a few extra quid I don't know why they don't and would future proof it a bit.
Thanks for that, I've ordered this one.

Agree on memory but this will do for the odd night away.
Is this the same laptop..? This shows the SSD/RAM being upgraded...
pgilc1

I have one!Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from … I have one!Using it now actually. I gave £124.99 for mine in Nov from Argos running Windows 8 and upgraded it with a free upgrade to Windows 10 (a horror story to do because of lack of free space)Good little laptop for casual use and light office use.Things to bear in mind :-* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the memory* From what i can tell you cant upgrade the main drive.* You can add extra storage via the SD card slot though.* Storage space is TIGHT. Theres very little left with Windows 10 on there. * Decent enough display - i've watched 720p movies no problems.Its not slug slow by any means, but likewise dont overload it. Think of it like a city car - nimble around town for the purpose it was intended, but load it up or long motorway runs and its going to struggle.

davidg_croydon

Is this the same laptop..? This shows the SSD/RAM being upgraded...





No, sadly thats a completely different machine.

northlondon01

Sure I checked the benchmarks on that and this processor has twice the … Sure I checked the benchmarks on that and this processor has twice the rating of the Yoga.I wish they'd just stick 4GB in these. For a few extra quid I don't know why they don't and would future proof it a bit.



They do offer a 64GB version, but not a 4GB RAM version.

Dont forget these machines have an RRP of £179.99 (and were being sold on Argos site for that up to Nov), so i'd say from Lenovos point of view, adding more RAM and disk space would push the RRP significantly over £200 and effectively price it out of the market.

I like mine and for the £124.99 i paid for a brand new one from Argos, i'm happy enough. Wouldnt want to be paying £150 or over though.
Smartguy1

There won't be much hard drive space left because you will still have the … There won't be much hard drive space left because you will still have the recovery partition for 8.1 taking up a massive 5.8gb space. What you need to do is make a system image back up of the windows 10 OS onto a usb drive and then boot it from usb. It will then install a fresh windows 10 without the Lenovo bloatware and it will remove the windows 8.1 partition. You will have up to 20gb of space after the install.



Yes, i've done that already.

The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, so take your Windows O/S into account and you end up with 12GB free from memory.

I''ve Office installed, Google Chrome, Antivirus and Paint.net installed and thats about it and theres probably 6GB or so free.


pgilc1

They do offer a 64GB version, but not a 4GB RAM version.Dont forget these … They do offer a 64GB version, but not a 4GB RAM version.Dont forget these machines have an RRP of £179.99 (and were being sold on Argos site for that up to Nov), so i'd say from Lenovos point of view, adding more RAM and disk space would push the RRP significantly over £200 and effectively price it out of the market.I like mine and for the £124.99 i paid for a brand new one from Argos, i'm happy enough. Wouldnt want to be paying £150 or over though.



Yeah, I get they have to draw the line somewhere. The CPU is a lot better than the celerons and atoms in terms of performance.

I'm not sure there's a single one of these machines with 4GB RAM, some of the Chromebooks seem to but I've got no interest in them!

Looking at reviews of this model, people should be aware at performance was criticised in reviews I saw, but the version that was reviewed had a Celeron N2840, which I think was the same as the Yoga, and benchmarks at 1053, rather than 1958 for the Pentium N3540.
Edited by: "northlondon01" 6th Feb 2016
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pgilc1

Yes, i've done that already.The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, … Yes, i've done that already.The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, so take your Windows O/S into account and you end up with 12GB free from memory.I''ve Office installed, Google Chrome, Antivirus and Paint.net installed and thats about it and theres probably 6GB or so free.



A 32GB drive should have around 29GB free after formatting. So it may be that you're not getting rid of the recovery partition. On a 32GB drive, after a clean install of Win 10, you should have around 20GB free.

You may also need to run the Win 10 Drive clean up process to free up space that is taken up by temp files that sometimes don't automatically get deleted after an install.
Edited by: "topss" 6th Feb 2016
pgilc1

Yes, i've done that already.The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, … Yes, i've done that already.The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, so take your Windows O/S into account and you end up with 12GB free from memory.I''ve Office installed, Google Chrome, Antivirus and Paint.net installed and thats about it and theres probably 6GB or so free.



Have you looked at Disk Management to see what's there? Don't think that should behave any differently on eMMC storage over HDD/SSD.
Would staying with Win8 be a bad move?
Lakeside

Would staying with Win8 be a bad move?


Depends how you feel about W8. I much prefer 10, but there are annoying factors like automatic updates, privacy concerns etc.

I've got an ancient netbook and it runs better on W10 than it ever did on W8, so that might be worth factoring in on a relatively weak system like this.

Does anybody know the maximum SD storage for this? Couldn't find it on the Lenovo specs (although did see there is apparently a 4GB version, not seen one though!).
After spending several hours trying to decide between this and the YOGA 300 I've gone for this primarily because of the far superior CPU benchmark.
Unless you really want a touchscreen/tablet this has got to be the better option............(IMHO).
can you plug this into a screen ?
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cruisecars

can you plug this into a screen ?


States a micro HDMI out in the spec, so with the appropriate cable, yes.
cruisecars

can you plug this into a screen ?



Lenovo spec sheet says it has a micro HDMI - shop.lenovo.com/gb/…1e/

More tempted for this then any other little notebook, primarily because of the CPU, although still holding out for the elusive small, cheap and slightly more powerful machine!
cruisecars

can you plug this into a screen ?




topss

A 32GB drive should have around 29GB free after formatting. So it may be … A 32GB drive should have around 29GB free after formatting. So it may be that you're not getting rid of the recovery partition. On a 32GB drive, after a clean install of Win 10, you should have around 20GB free. You may also need to run the Win 10 Drive clean up process to free up space that is taken up by temp files that sometimes don't automatically get deleted after an install.



I'll have a look again.

I did remove all the temp files from the install and created a USB recovery disk.

It might be coming back to me now - if you remove the recovery partition the machine crashes on startup?

You cant do a straight window 10 install after a disk format on these, because it came with Windows 8 to start with, therefore you need to put 8 back on first. (i've had some machines let you - Dell & HP but this Lenovo didnt)

I'll maybe have another crack at it. Its all working fine now and wont be an issue with the machines here as they come with Win10 anyway.
northlondon01

Lenovo spec sheet says it has a micro HDMI - … Lenovo spec sheet says it has a micro HDMI - http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/tech-specs/laptops/lenovo-s21e/More tempted for this then any other little notebook, primarily because of the CPU, although still holding out for the elusive small, cheap and slightly more powerful machine!



Yes, it has a micro HDM port, so presumably you can get a micro HDMI to HDMI cable?

pgilc1

I'll have a look again.I did remove all the temp files from the install … I'll have a look again.I did remove all the temp files from the install and created a USB recovery disk.It might be coming back to me now - if you remove the recovery partition the machine crashes on startup?You cant do a straight window 10 install after a disk format on these, because it came with Windows 8 to start with, therefore you need to put 8 back on first. (i've had some machines let you - Dell & HP but this Lenovo didnt)I'll maybe have another crack at it. Its all working fine now and wont be an issue with the machines here as they come with Win10 anyway.


Your doing it wrong, you need to download the windows 10 image onto a USB flash drive and very importantly boot the PC from the flash drive and not the windows already on the PC.
You may need to first go into the bios settings to change the boot order, once it boots do an advance full clean install and delete ALL partitions and create a new simple volume then let windows install automatically.
Afterwards you will have about 21gb of free space.
paulandpam1

Your doing it wrong, you need to download the windows 10 image onto a USB … Your doing it wrong, you need to download the windows 10 image onto a USB flash drive and very importantly boot the PC from the flash drive and not the windows already on the PC.You may need to first go into the bios settings to change the boot order, once it boots do an advance full clean install and delete ALL partitions and create a new simple volume then let windows install automatically.Afterwards you will have about 21gb of free space.



However, you're then trying to activate a new Windows 10 install with a Windows 8 key? I tried that and it failed.

All grand if you have windows 10 installed already.

Looks OK but would prefer a i3 power
cruisecars

Looks OK but would prefer a i3 power



I'm sure you would.
pgilc1

Yes, i've done that already.The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, … Yes, i've done that already.The drive only ever formats to 22GB though, so take your Windows O/S into account and you end up with 12GB free from memory.I''ve Office installed, Google Chrome, Antivirus and Paint.net installed and thats about it and theres probably 6GB or so free.



I have chrome on my miix3, office 365 and a couple of other programmes and I have 14gb free space. I think you still have the windows 8.1gb recovery partition on it. You can check by looking in disk management. I can never remember how to find its something like this.

Go to My PC
Computer
Manage (it's in the top title bar next to the setting symbol)
Computer Management
Disk Management

In disk management what does it say. It should give the drive space about 29gb then drive C 28gb and then about 450mb for the recovery partition. These figure are only approximate.

You can also type in disk management in the search bar and it will take you straight through it.
pgilc1

However, you're then trying to activate a new Windows 10 install with a … However, you're then trying to activate a new Windows 10 install with a Windows 8 key? I tried that and it failed.All grand if you have windows 10 installed already.




Sorry I didn't see that others had replied also. Too many people wanting to help lol. Why can't they all work where I do.

On the subject of the key you just ignore it when it asks for a product key. The windows key is embedded in the motherboard. On my Lenovo it didn't ask me for a key but it did on my wife's Acer. I just ignored it and it loaded as normal. You can obtain the windows product key by using a tool. I will see if I can find the link. Let us all know what it says in disk management,
pgilc1

However, you're then trying to activate a new Windows 10 install with a … However, you're then trying to activate a new Windows 10 install with a Windows 8 key? I tried that and it failed.All grand if you have windows 10 installed already.


A windows 7 or 8 key now works windows.microsoft.com/en-…-10
We could all follow this well enough if you guys didn't quote the entire previous conversation with every post
Smartguy1

I have chrome on my miix3, office 365 and a couple of other programmes … I have chrome on my miix3, office 365 and a couple of other programmes and I have 14gb free space. I think you still have the windows 8.1gb recovery partition on it. You can check by looking in disk management. I can never remember how to find its something like this. Go to My PCComputerManage (it's in the top title bar next to the setting symbol)Computer ManagementDisk ManagementIn disk management what does it say. It should give the drive space about 29gb then drive C 28gb and then about 450mb for the recovery partition. These figure are only approximate.You can also type in disk management in the search bar and it will take you straight through it.



Its showing a 29GB disk, a 450MB recovery partition and a 6.66GB Recovery Partition.

I've removed this before and the machine then crashes on boot up, and i've had to do a full restore.
Smartguy1

On the subject of the key you just ignore it when it asks for a product … On the subject of the key you just ignore it when it asks for a product key. The windows key is embedded in the motherboard. On my Lenovo it didn't ask me for a key but it did on my wife's Acer. I just ignored it and it loaded as normal. You can obtain the windows product key by using a tool. I will see if I can find the link. Let us all know what it says in disk management,



Yes, i did just ignore it, and then Windows 10 came up as unactivated, and prompted me to activate it. The Windows 8 key - which i previously used discovery software to find - wouldnt activate windows 10.

Previously when i've done this on Dell and HP kit it works as you say, but not on this S21E.

I even contacted Microsoft and the said that was normal functionality. It was a free upgrade, not a free install

Edited by: "pgilc1" 7th Feb 2016
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pgilc1

Its showing a 29GB disk, a 450MB recovery partition and a 6.66GB Recovery … Its showing a 29GB disk, a 450MB recovery partition and a 6.66GB Recovery Partition.I've removed this before and the machine then crashes on boot up, and i've had to do a full restore.



How are you managing to do a full restore if you have removed the recovery partitions?
paulandpam1

A windows 7 or 8 key now works … A windows 7 or 8 key now works http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/activation-in-windows-10



...providing you install Windows 8 again first, and upgrade.

Nowhere on that list does it say you can activate a fresh install of windows 10 with a windows 7 or 8 key.

The very first option is the one you need to do "How you got Windows 10 - You upgraded to Windows 10 for free from an eligible device running a genuine copy of Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."

It doesnt at any point say you can do a fresh Win 10 install and expect a Win 8 key to activate it.
topss

How are you managing to do a full restore if you have removed the … How are you managing to do a full restore if you have removed the recovery partitions?



From a USB drive image.

If i didnt have that, the only think that works is an install of Win8 from USB, then upgrade to Win10.

A full install of Win10 without a Win8 base does not work on this.

Has done on other machines for me, like Dell, but i think they work on different licencing regimes.
Edited by: "pgilc1" 7th Feb 2016
Ok there is something wrong here. Making a recovery image and re-installing windows 10 is quite an easy process although a bit long winded. I don't mean that to be condescending as I understand fully why something should work and doesn't. It worked perfectly for me and on my wife's Acer although both machines were slightly different in installing.
I have some questions.

1. I assume when you got the laptop it was running windows 8.1 with no problem of booting etc.
2. Did you register the laptop with a valid microsoft account.
3. What software did you use to generate the windows 8.1 product key.
4. How did you first install windows 10 on it, i.e. windows update or from microsoft's download section using the creation tool.
5. If downloaded using the creation tool did you download the correct version of windows 10, i.e. 32-bit or 64-bit. My guess is it should be 64-bit .Windows 10 is free to all but ONLY if you have a registered copy of a previous version, i.e. 8.1, 8 or 7. I am not sure about older versions.
6. If you are still showing a recovery partition of 6.66gb that means you still have windows 8.1 in there. The recovery partition for my Lenovo running a 32-bit operating system was 5.8gb. You have 6.66 so assume it is the 64-bit version. The 450mb recovery partition is for windows 10.

I assume you know most of the above but it will be something stupid. Assuming you did everything correctly after installing windows 10 from usb did you change the bios back to boot from drive c.
Is it possible to put a new SSD in this laptop?
Is it possible to fit one of these to a Lenovo S21E-20 laptop?
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