Lenovo ThinkServer TS140 4GB Xeon E3-1225 v3 3.2GHz Tower Server £221.51 after cash back delivered (£371.51 before) @ BT Business Direct
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Lenovo ThinkServer TS140 4GB Xeon E3-1225 v3 3.2GHz Tower Server £221.51 after cash back delivered (£371.51 before) @ BT Business Direct

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Found 8th Apr 2015
Not as good as the original deal @ £219.99, but still a good deal, and if you are buying more than one, it works out cheaper as you're splitting the delivery cost.

This is the 70A5000KUK model, and is listed on Lenovo's cashback page as valid for April 2015.

Don't forget a possible cashback, which nearly covers the delivery charges:
2.02% Topcashback, making this £215.40 !!!
3% Quidco, making this £212.43 !!!

24 Comments

OP .. u got your 'Prices' in your Deal Description mixed up? .. its original £300+ price should be listed first? .. THEN the £200+ caahback price should have rather been the one listed in brackets secondly instead .....

Good Server Deal though. :-)

How much does it cost in a sensible configuration. (i.e at least raid1 with a proper raid card).

Rather have a seperate iLO I think than the graphics integrated into the Xeon but it might be ok for what I need but some hack job that invalidates the warranty isn't.

unrandomsam

How much does it cost in a sensible configuration. (i.e at least raid1 … How much does it cost in a sensible configuration. (i.e at least raid1 with a proper raid card).Rather have a seperate iLO I think than the graphics integrated into the Xeon but it might be ok for what I need but some hack job that invalidates the warranty isn't.



Do you really need a dedicated RAID controller? What's stopping you using software RAID?

the__cat

Do you really need a dedicated RAID controller? What's stopping you … Do you really need a dedicated RAID controller? What's stopping you using software RAID?



have you ever done a camparison? apart from the extra expense of a decent hardware setup - all the plus's are in the hardware RAID column

CockneySpur

have you ever done a camparison? apart from the extra expense of a … have you ever done a camparison? apart from the extra expense of a decent hardware setup - all the plus's are in the hardware RAID column



I'm a techie... I know the pros and the cons. I'm just asking a perfectly reasonable question.

Let's say the guy just wants to run a server with some redundant storage for his photo collection and for streaming a few Blu-Ray rips. Why go to the expense of a dedicated RAID card? It's not like that would be mission-critical in this scenario, so what's the point? Just use a software RAID solution and be done with it.

If there's any kind of database or video editing/recording going on in a business environment, sure hardware RAID is the way to go, especially if nested RAID is a requirement.

For what it's worth, if you're going to get a proper hardware RAID card, don't buy a cheap one. If you do you'd be better just using software RAID anyway.

There are some interesting views on RAID anyway, and some of the storage vendors that I work with agree too. Hardware used to be the dogs' always, but not the case 100% of the time anymore. Performance difference for RAID1 on hardware vs software is negligible nowadays.

Nice machine. I got mine with the bundled software from ebuyer in January. I wanted to use it to back up all of my business files over the web with this being located at home. Unfortunately, this has been ruined by the BT router that doesn't allow the connection (though I can access files using Microsoft remote web access).

I have to agree with the cat here. Software solutions like windows Storage spaces and Zfs not only match RAID cards in performance and features but go beyond that are more flexible and easier to recover in case of failure.

the__cat

I'm a techie... I know the pros and the cons. I'm just asking a … I'm a techie... I know the pros and the cons. I'm just asking a perfectly reasonable question.Let's say the guy just wants to run a server with some redundant storage for his photo collection and for streaming a few Blu-Ray rips. Why go to the expense of a dedicated RAID card? It's not like that would be mission-critical in this scenario, so what's the point? Just use a software RAID solution and be done with it.If there's any kind of database or video editing/recording going on in a business environment, sure hardware RAID is the way to go, especially if nested RAID is a requirement.For what it's worth, if you're going to get a proper hardware RAID card, don't buy a cheap one. If you do you'd be better just using software RAID anyway.There are some interesting views on RAID anyway, and some of the storage vendors that I work with agree too. Hardware used to be the dogs' always, but not the case 100% of the time anymore. Performance difference for RAID1 on hardware vs software is negligible nowadays.



I agree, but you are assuming too much about what the guy wants to use RAID for


where as raid 0 and 10 still requires a raid card right? Anyway this server has 3 hard drive slots...

woolerland

where as raid 0 and 10 still requires a raid card right? Anyway this … where as raid 0 and 10 still requires a raid card right? Anyway this server has 3 hard drive slots...


"Requires", not that, but say you had 20 drives for some many gigabytes per second bandwidth value then yeah that'd benefit from a dedicated card with many PCI-E lanes.

Speaking personally, I've got a HP N40L with its fairly weedy CPU, running software RAID Z2 (which is RAID 6 but with some enhancements basically) across 6 drives and that maxes out a gigabit link without breaking a sweat.

They took long long time for cash back. I been waiting for 3 months now, still haven't get it.

I spent this on a XEON CPU alone when I upgraded my HP Microserver Gen 8, so this would appear to be a very good deal especially since it can take 32Gb (the HP can only take 16). Looks like a nice wee box for some virtualisation, I'd buy one if I wasn't already maxxed out on Microservers...

Anyone know what sort of power this will draw?

the__cat

I'm a techie... I know the pros and the cons. I'm just asking a … I'm a techie... I know the pros and the cons. I'm just asking a perfectly reasonable question.Let's say the guy just wants to run a server with some redundant storage for his photo collection and for streaming a few Blu-Ray rips. Why go to the expense of a dedicated RAID card? It's not like that would be mission-critical in this scenario, so what's the point? Just use a software RAID solution and be done with it.If there's any kind of database or video editing/recording going on in a business environment, sure hardware RAID is the way to go, especially if nested RAID is a requirement.For what it's worth, if you're going to get a proper hardware RAID card, don't buy a cheap one. If you do you'd be better just using software RAID anyway.There are some interesting views on RAID anyway, and some of the storage vendors that I work with agree too. Hardware used to be the dogs' always, but not the case 100% of the time anymore. Performance difference for RAID1 on hardware vs software is negligible nowadays.



For any kind of parity raid, a hardware card is a must, but for mirrors I can see no advantage. I've been running a mirrored pair of spinning disks using intel soft raid for 8 years and it works brilliantly.

I work as an architect for a large maker of external storage arrays and from experience wouldn't consider raid 5. The big expensive external storage systems constantly verify the disks using the crc on the drives, which is must have feature, that plus proactive drive failing to copy a disk to a hot spare on signs it's becoming marginal. So raid is more common, but double disk failures still happen.

Forums are full of people who've lost data with raid 5, software and hardware.

If you value your data and need performance it's raid 1, if you want more than 4 drives and don't need random access performance it's raid 6. Raid 5 is better than nothing, but I there are plenty of reasons to use something better.

where as raid 0 and 10 still requires a raid card right? Anyway this … where as raid 0 and 10 still requires a raid card right? Anyway this server has 3 hard drive slots...

running mine with 5 drives and RAIDZ, booting Freenas off a USB key. (The Xeon would have been overkill, so swapped in a Pentium and used the Xeon elsewhere). Check the earlier threads for full build notes - ECC RAM choices are a bit limited.

wong1105

They took long long time for cash back. I been waiting for 3 months now, … They took long long time for cash back. I been waiting for 3 months now, still haven't get it.


lenovo say within 30 working days! you should go complain.
also I got 9 days till deadline and no payment yet :@

anyone have a link to the lenovo cashback page please?

Thanks very much

Sorry being dumb! Found the link in the description on the BT web page ; )

mikehunt69

Forums are full of people who've lost data with raid 5, software and … Forums are full of people who've lost data with raid 5, software and hardware..



I lost data to RAID5. 3 disks, and I lost everything. Controller failure as far as I can tell, at any rate the disks were all fine and carried on for years after a reformat.

Basically one disk just got dropped, and the controller refused to either pick it up or build onto another disk.

Had no backups, because it was all stuff that wasn't critical so it's not so much of a sob story as a cautionary tale, but my word it was irritating at the time. Tried everything to get it to rebuild, and in the end just gave it up as a bad job.

So my experience of RAID5 is that it's a bloody liability.

wild_quinine

I lost data to RAID5. 3 disks, and I lost everything. Controller failure … I lost data to RAID5. 3 disks, and I lost everything. Controller failure as far as I can tell, at any rate the disks were all fine and carried on for years after a reformat. Basically one disk just got dropped, and the controller refused to either pick it up or build onto another disk.Had no backups, because it was all stuff that wasn't critical so it's not so much of a sob story as a cautionary tale, but my word it was irritating at the time. Tried everything to get it to rebuild, and in the end just gave it up as a bad job.So my experience of RAID5 is that it's a bloody liability.



what controller? I'd guess it was a fakeraid-type one, that actually relies on drivers to do all the work inside an OS rather than a true hardware card.

It's another reason to go with software RAID though - it can be tricky (one wrong move during a tricky recovery and your data is toast), but if you know what you're doing you can recover pretty much anything without being dependent on a particular set of hardware, disk interface or even operating system.

I'm running one of these with a BTRFS array. The biggest limitation is it only takes 4 x 3.5" drives and a 2.5" SSD under the optical... so you can't have huge disk array. I've got another caddy to turn the optical+SSD bay into another 3.5" bay. Onboard it only has 5xSATA ports too.

lilbeastie

what controller? I'd guess it was a fakeraid-type one, that actually … what controller? I'd guess it was a fakeraid-type one, that actually relies on drivers to do all the work inside an OS rather than a true hardware card.



Yeah, it was. Not that it was advertised that way to me, when I bought it, of course. But then, I knew a lot more about RAID by the time I was finished than I did going into it, not that any of it helped me.

OOS

Will it be any good with 750 ti?
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