Lenovo X200 Ultramobile Laptop (Refurb) £87.99 @ eBay / newandusedlaptops4u
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Lenovo X200 Ultramobile Laptop (Refurb) £87.99 @ eBay / newandusedlaptops4u

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Found 3rd Dec 2014
Lenovo X200 Ultramobile laptop

Condition Refurbished - Grade 2
Processor Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4ghz)
Memory 2Gb DDR3
Hard Drive 160GB SATA
Screen 12.1" 1280x800
No DVD Drive
Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium 32 bit
Battery Tested & Working

Seller describes Grade 2 as "Used Good - Showing minor signs of use, the odd mark, scratch, buff to be expected ".

I personally have one of these with a slightly higher spec and love it to bits. Well worth £90. Tough as nails and easy to maintain. They are actually a fair bit faster than some of the recently posted cheap laptops. Would make an ideal present for those after a laptop for Christmas where you don't want to spend a fortune.

These are ideal for, air travel, work well in the confined space of even a Ryanair flight or any other travel, sofa/bed web surfing, light gaming (retro or low end stuff), watching videos on the go, for following guides when doing stuff in a workshop. Basically anything that a larger machine would be a pain to move about as at just over 1kg (a bag of sugar) they are easy to move about and work with.

This seller has been posted a number of times on HUKD previously and has been well rated by the community for the quality of the machines sold.

As usual more stuff to follow in post 1, 2 and 3 below including links to a couple of other sellers at very similar prices for when this goes out of stock. One option is very slightly cheaper but not previously posted on HUKD so more of an unknown.

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Original Poster

Astec123's Short(ish) Guide to the X200

Same format as last time just for the next generation along the iconic X series line.

Feel free to repost if needed but please credit me if you use some or part of it elsewhere.

Getting Started

These are second user systems you will need to consider that the battery may need replacement as they are only advertised as being present and working to an unknown level. In most cases you will get around an hour in my experience of refurbs, but you could also end up with a good or a bad one too. In a lot of cases you will get batteries that are very lightly used and retain most of their capacity as often these will have sat on desks for their entire lives. If off mains running times are important for you then I would budget to buy a spare battery (the best prices for these start at about £15 for the lowest capacity to around £60 for the highest capacity)

Charger/AC Adapter

These come with chargers but if you need to update/replace it there are 2 options for chargers you need to consider 90w or 65w depending on your needs. The 90w models are bulkier and heavier but allows you to use the laptop without the processor being throttled if the battery is not inserted. Further reading here.. Alternatively there is the 65w model that is smaller and more portable (often called the travel adapter, but will throttle the laptops processor if the battery is not installed and under heavy load. The weight advantage is minimal and the 90w model tends to be to most readily available unit so I will focus on this one.

Cheap units are available from ebay starting around £6 at the time of writing. These are of varying quality. I've had one and it still works but others report they fail very easily and loudly.

Personally I've found Leicke Germany make some very nice units for this Thinkpad (and others).
£20 Charger, Kettle Lead, No USB
£16 Charger, No apparent Kettle Lead, 2x 2amp USB Ports
£15 Charger, Kettle Lead, No USB


Replacement battery

The supplied battery should work but for an unspecified length of time. If you want longer stamina off of the mains you have 4 choices. 4 cell, 6 cell, 9 cell and the entirely unofficial 12 cell. Battery life is roughly 3 times greater on the latter compared to the 4 cell and twice that of the 6cell. The main trade off being that the more cells there are then the more weight and bulk it adds. A rough run down of the weights with respective batteries are below along with rough run times on battery in my own experience. YMMV.

• 4-cell battery starting at 1.34 kg / 2.95 lbs - 3-4hours
• 6-cell battery starting at 1.47 kg / 3.24 lbs - 5.5hours
• 9-cell battery starting at 1.63 kg / 3.58 lbs – 8hours
• 12-cell battery starting at 1.80 kg / 3.58 lbs - 11-12hours

I'll start with some images to help people gauge what they would be getting as an idea.

4 Cell - Flush fitting with the rear of the laptop and does not prop it up.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_lenovo_thinkpad_x200s_ansicht_hinten_01_113af34cce.jpg

6 Cell – Flush fitting at the rear but lifts the laptop up off a desk by a few millimetres.
http://babryce.com/x200/left.jpg
http://babryce.com/x200/bottom.jpg
http://babryce.com/x200/back.jpg

9 Cell – Sticks out at the rear of the laptop body and also props the laptop up when on a desk by a few millimetres.
http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/thinkpad_x200_02.jpg
http://17c4dcd7f91259d8cc66-f5932f6db0039e8c02f89a70c334ff0e.r2.cf1.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/34763.jpg

12 Cell – Sticks out by approx 1.5inches at the rear and props the laptop up when on a desk by a few millimetres.
If someone really wants an image of this one I'll take a photo and upload it as I have 2 of these myself but cannot find any images on the web of one fitted.

The amount of lift as a result of the larger capacity batteries is demonstrated best in this image.
http://img2.zol.com.cn/product/21_500x2000/576/cebWB1ShYAe9Q.jpg

There are very few side by side comparisons of all the batteries but some comparison shots do exist.







Edited by: "Astec123" 3rd Dec 2014

Original Poster

Optional items

Ultrabase with DVD - £20-25

The ultrabase is not entirely required but does add some useful features. Be careful when buying as there are 2 versions of the Ultrabase X200, one for the X200T (tablet), and one for the standard X200 and X200S. In my experience I’ve barely used my ultrabase so I’d seriously work out if you really need the extra USB ports, optical drive and other minor features it offers. Additionally it’s incompatible with the 12 cell batteries (I’ve tested this). You may be able to mod the Ultrabase but I’ve not tried to do this with mine. If all you want is a DVD drive then a portable one for around £5 is probably the best bet.


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Software you will need and guides to getting software running (more for in the future as this will not come with restore media)

You will require a windows ISO to restore the computer in the future, this can be had for free from the likes of
heidoc.net/joo…t=0
it’s easy to make a disk and worth doing when everything works so you have it for if something goes wrong.
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Anyone looking to install windows 7/Vista from USB heres a guide
intowindows.com/how…de/

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The Manuals
support.lenovo.com/us/…200
All documents for this machine that it would have arrived originally with are available here along with just about everything more you may need.

download.lenovo.com/ibm…pdf
Hardware Maintenance Manual – How to fix problems, make upgrades and swap parts
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Thinkpad fan controller to make the thinkpad even more quiet
http://www.staff.uni-marburg.de/~schmitzr/donate.html
Well worth the download, mines is practically silent 90% of the time when not under heavy load such as web browsing.
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Thinkvantage software to install after getting it up and running.
download.lenovo.com/pcc…exe
Should install all the required drivers automatically for you.
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3rd party BIOS updates – USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
bios-mods.com/for…200
Whitelist removal mod – I’ve not used this or tested in any way as above use at your own risk

forum.notebookreview.com/len…tml
FN Ctrl key swap (swaps these keys around to the more natural locations) – Please read the information before attempting – I have done this myself and can confirm it works but again at your own risk if you try.

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Official Drivers page

Just put in your models specific number and operating system and it will list all the drivers you may need, the tag under the laptop will give the model number to provide exact things you need.
support.lenovo.com/us/…200

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Thing you may want to read first or have available to read later

Some reviews

A nice run down review of these laptops can be found below (note the reviews are a number of years old so performance comparisons are to be taken with a pinch of salt as this would have been the best available, these days it's acceptable power and more than enough power for most users. As said above it will outpace most new laptops at even twice the price. If you want an office/web on the move warrior you can't go wrong with an X200.

notebookreview.com/not…ew/

notebookcheck.net/Rev…tml - The Ultramobile sister model (only significant difference is less powerful)

pcpro.co.uk/rev…200

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These models do allegedly suffer from a high pitch noise (I’ve not experienced this)
thinkwiki.org/wik…ses

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For a list of games that will run on this laptop

notebookcheck.net/Int…tml
As you can see, nothing modern really will play.

Personally I’ve tested things like
Dungeon Keeper 1 & 2
Command and Conquer Red Alert 2
Theme Hospital (Corsix mod)
All work fine, so if you like retro or light power requirement games it’s perfect.

augmentarium.blogspot.co.uk/201…tml
A reasonable list of games that can and cannot be played on this machine.

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The very useful ThinkWiki is a must read for anyine buying one as it's got lots of helpful information
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200


Edited by: "Astec123" 3rd Dec 2014

Have some heat for all the time and effort you've put into providing so much useful info including links etc. keep up the great work!

Useful and informative post, have some heat!

great post

they way you explained it mate, it went straight into my head, matrix style.

Really good post - not sure I'll get one, but tempted. Just to clarify, it comes with a charger, but are you suggesting buying another?

Original Poster

Holdsworth

Really good post - not sure I'll get one, but tempted. Just to clarify, … Really good post - not sure I'll get one, but tempted. Just to clarify, it comes with a charger, but are you suggesting buying another?



Yes it comes with a charger so no need to get one, the text is adapted from my previous X61 deals and based on being a deal for machines sold by another seller. So that was entirely not meant to be included as the other seller does not provide power cables.

Sorry for the confusion as I wrote most of this stuff about 6months ago when a deal came up and then some other person stole the thunder and had posted the deal less this stuff about 3 minutes before I did. So I just saved the text for if I saw a new deal come up. So this is an edit of an edit and I'm just checking everything is still working and correct and that I've not missed any links that need updates.

Edited by: "Astec123" 3rd Dec 2014

does this laptop has webcam integrated

These are great little laptops - Strong case, good keyboard and the screen is so much better than the X61 (which I found wasn't bright enough).

Original Poster

naveenvp

does this laptop has webcam integrated



None of the ones I've posted do come with webcams according to the data provided. However, that's not to say that these have a webcam but has been accidentally omitted. My own X200 does have a webcam but it was an optional extra when these were new so if it's important to you I'd look elsewhere.
Edited by: "Astec123" 3rd Dec 2014

Heres another seller with the tablet version for £119.99 delivered:

ebay.co.uk/itm…203?

Oh Thanks - I hope we can buy it separately and fix it.

Original Poster

naveenvp

Oh Thanks - I hope we can buy it separately and fix it.



If you mean add the webcam, it's a piece of cake to add it.

The above links have the disassembly guide to take the machine to pieces.

The webcam part is FRU: 42W8015

Can be had for under £10. See ebay.co.uk/itm…bc0

The above doesn't include the replacement bezel sticker to suit the webcam so it would just be a hole and the camera exposed inside the chassis and IIRC it requires a mounting bracket too. However the sticker + brackets + camera board can be obtained for a couple of quid more if you look around eg. aliexpress.com/ite…tml
Edited by: "Astec123" 3rd Dec 2014

Original Poster

eoghan45

Found it cheaper … Found it cheaper herehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201223000651?clk_rvr_id=742168113577



hotukdeals.com/dea…457
Already posted myself in the 3rd comment However, the posted seller has gained a good reputation on HUKD for machines being delivered as described. That seller while well rated on ebay I've never seen before and as far as I can tell has not been posted to HUKD for any relevant feedback from buyers.

Thank you Astec123

obviously a seller posting and promoting their own poor deal through a pseudname.

damian0612

obviously a seller posting and promoting their own poor deal through a … obviously a seller posting and promoting their own poor deal through a pseudname.



why, yes, 'obviously'.

*facepalm*

Good deal - any pointers to a good reliable battery seller?

4.8Ghz (2 x 2.4Ghz processors running at the same time) ROFL!

Proof the seller is a complete idiot.
Edited by: "fishmaster" 3rd Dec 2014

He's posted several other alternative sellers in post #3. His only previous computer deal I can see was by SCH. Heat for the reference links and effort.

old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid?

I'll be the one to ask, why is this a good deal? (not voted yet, but struggling to find anything good about this laptop)
Edited by: "intranix" 3rd Dec 2014

intranix

old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid? I'll be … old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid? I'll be the one to ask, why is this a good deal? (not voted yet, but struggling to find anything good about this laptop)



I didn't want to say anything... and I won't.

Very happy with my X200, bought second hand through SCC Trade. Very portable, excellent build quality and installing Win 7 was trivial (all drivers were installed automatically by Lenovo's update/install tool, available from their website). Only downside for me is that this laptop has VGA output only (i.e. no HDMI).


...Nick

intranix

old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid? I'll be … old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid? I'll be the one to ask, why is this a good deal? (not voted yet, but struggling to find anything good about this laptop)



Are there new high spec ones with useful batteries for less then?

fatdeeman

Are there new high spec ones with useful batteries for less then?



Why even attempt to compare this with a new laptop? This thing has 2006 technology. It's almost 2015...

mugen6

Why even attempt to compare this with a new laptop? This thing has 2006 … Why even attempt to compare this with a new laptop? This thing has 2006 technology. It's almost 2015...



That's a no then.

fatdeeman

Are there new high spec ones with useful batteries for less then?



So are you going to answer my question? (although you have, really, you know it's not a good deal hence why you cant reply properly)

This is a load of junk compared to modern laptops. This was released in 2008!

It's also as thick as a brick, not particularly light, with a poor dated TN panel, and the battery's likely to be on its last legs. No meaningful warranty either.

ICE COLD.




Edited by: "Picard123" 4th Dec 2014

fatdeeman

That's a no then.



Yes that's a no. Best of luck with your "grade 2" 7 year old laptop with shiny keys, 160gb spinning hard drive and possible dead battery. I'll be over here getting stuff done at three times the pace.

You can't even see a photo of the actual item you are purchasing, but I'm glad people think this is a good deal. They are the same ebay folks who give me money for my old tech junk that I was on the verge of chucking in the skip.

Seems like a cheap, decent quality replacement for the dreadfully slow XP laptop I have in the garage at the moment. Yes, I could get something much faster for twice the price, but why would I want to? It has to run a browser and the Sonos client, nothing more. And a laptop scores over a tablet, because I'm not tempted to take it elsewhere and therefore not have it when I need it.

intranix

old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid? I'll be … old low spec laptop with probable useless battery for 90 quid? I'll be the one to ask, why is this a good deal? (not voted yet, but struggling to find anything good about this laptop)



No it isn't. This is analogous to people who bang on about buying older premium luxury cars vs. new crap ones - this was a flagship when it launched, well over £1,000 - it will last longer than the rest, it's had millions spent on R&D in the chassis, rollcage, thermal management, modularity, etc. and compared to a machine which will have some netbook-class processor, the cheapest plastics going, no expansion - and even then those new/basic machines will still cost twice this.

The fact is, computers became 'fast enough' about 8 years ago with the launch of the Core 2 processor series when Intel and AMD prioritised power efficiency over clockspeed and ever since then for basic computing tasks machines like this have been more than enough for the vast majority. Will a 4th gen Core i7 processor make you type faster or edit spreadsheets quicker...? Highly unlikely.

intranix

So are you going to answer my question? (although you have, really, you … So are you going to answer my question? (although you have, really, you know it's not a good deal hence why you cant reply properly)



I think you've confused yourself here, what actually happened is that YOU came into this thread complaining that the laptop is OLD and has a low spec and hence isn't a good deal suggesting you know of something that is both newer and of a better specification for the same price to qualify this opinion.

I then asked if you knew of something that was newer and of a better specification for the same price, this seems to be the point where you became confused as instead of answering the question you accused ME of comparing the laptop to newer models when actually it was YOU that criticised it based on it's age.

I hope that clears things up.

Just to summarize:

You said it's a bad deal because it's old and low spec.

I asked you to qualify this statement.

You have changed the subject.

Dodge62

Seems like a cheap, decent quality replacement for the dreadfully slow XP … Seems like a cheap, decent quality replacement for the dreadfully slow XP laptop I have in the garage at the moment. Yes, I could get something much faster for twice the price, but why would I want to? It has to run a browser and the Sonos client, nothing more. And a laptop scores over a tablet, because I'm not tempted to take it elsewhere and therefore not have it when I need it.



Chromebook? At least you'd have something from this decade.

mugen6

Yes that's a no. Best of luck with your "grade 2" 7 year old laptop with … Yes that's a no. Best of luck with your "grade 2" 7 year old laptop with shiny keys, 160gb spinning hard drive and possible dead battery. I'll be over here getting stuff done at three times the pace. You can't even see a photo of the actual item you are purchasing, but I'm glad people think this is a good deal. They are the same ebay folks who give me money for my old tech junk that I was on the verge of chucking in the skip.



Right so to summarize: Newer and expensive things are newer and more expensive than older less expensive things hence older things cannot be a good deal?

Edited by: "fatdeeman" 4th Dec 2014

plewis00

The fact is, computers became 'fast enough' about 8 years ago with the … The fact is, computers became 'fast enough' about 8 years ago with the launch of the Core 2 processor series when Intel and AMD prioritised power efficiency over clockspeed and ever since then for basic computing tasks machines like this have been more than enough for the vast majority. Will a 4th gen Core i7 processor make you type faster or edit spreadsheets quicker...? Highly unlikely.



Highly unlikely to see increased productivity on a new laptop over a 7 year old one? The company who chucked these out to make way for core i5/i7 machines must enjoy flushing money down the toilet.
Edited by: "mugen6" 4th Dec 2014

mugen6

Highly unlikely to see increased productivity on a new laptop over a 7 … Highly unlikely to see increased productivity on a new laptop over a 7 year old one? The company who chucked these out to make way for core i5/i7 machines must enjoy flushing money down the toilet.



You mean like governments, banks and schools etc that have compulsory purchase contracts? No you're right, never been known to spend inefficiently.

fatdeeman

Right so to summarize: Newer and expensive things are newer and more … Right so to summarize: Newer and expensive things are newer and more expensive than older less expensive things hence older things cannot be a good deal?



Incorrect. To summerise correctly, life is too short to waste time waiting for a computer when you can put the money towards one that will wait for you. The difference being less than the cost of a few trips to the pub (unless you are the kind of person who never gets a round). You obviously know everything, so I reiterate: good luck.

fatdeeman

You mean like governments, banks and schools etc that have compulsory … You mean like governments, banks and schools etc that have compulsory purchase contracts? No you're right, never been known to spend inefficiently.




You are correct. Only the public sector upgrade their IT kit. All of those shrewd private sector companies have their employs mashing away on core 2 duo machines with 2gb RAM and running Dell Poweredge 2650's in the server room.
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