Lexmark CS820de workgroup colour laser printer with 8000-page toners - Printerland - £226
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Lexmark CS820de workgroup colour laser printer with 8000-page toners - Printerland - £226

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Found 13th Dec 2016Made hot 13th Dec 2016
I'm going to click "expire" on this deal. The price has been inching up as stock levels fall.

Very fast printer, enormously heavy though.
It's the included toners that make this interesting to me. I'm tired of hurling cheap laser printers into the skip when the "starter toners" run out.

Quidco too.

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It's still cheaper to buy a new one than to replace the toners with this also lol.

I'm still on my starter toners on my OKI C511dn, but for me it will always be cheaper to buy a new one than to buy more toners... I really don't understand how that works but it does haha.

dbizal

It's still cheaper to buy a new one than to replace the toners with this … It's still cheaper to buy a new one than to replace the toners with this also lol. I'm still on my starter toners on my OKI C511dn, but for me it will always be cheaper to buy a new one than to buy more toners... I really don't understand how that works but it does haha.



The Razorblade business model, give away the main product for a reduced price knowing users will need to purchase consumables (at an inflated price) for the forseeable future in order to keep using the product.

this however isn't like that as the printer is either going EoL or will revert back to it's usual price of £700+ shortly.

I'm guessing it's going EoL as there aren't many available in the channel (I'm seeing 24) and the company are trying to get rid of them.

That being said it's still a cracking deal and I'll be getting one.
Edited by: "Paradroid" 13th Dec 2016

Well, if politician weren't so in thrall to corporation there would be major tariff on throwaway electronics. About the only way that would have been likely in the UK would be via the European Parliament though so...

However, while cynical companies are well known for pushing the 'razor and blades business model', ultimately consumers are to blame because it really doesn't take much effort to find laser printers which have cheap running costs like the Brother range (I pay around £8 for toner for my HL-2030).

Oh, yes don't get me started on the PR nonsense which big companies try to market their 'green credentials'. The obvious one is Apple: they go on about how green their stuff is and while it is nice that they have eliminated some toxic metals etc. in their products, their products have very poor repairability and built-in obsolescences which totally negates most of that.

The waste hierarchy should be reduce, reuse, recycle
https://theupcyclingfashionista.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wastereductionhierarchy.gif
but the only one companies ever mention is recycling. Guess they are afraid of running out of resources to make their future junk. Plus, anything recycled can't be reused!

62KG!!! who needs a workout when you move it.

There are cheaper office workhorse printers to run out there. I picked up a Brother HL-L8250CDN back in april for £120 then got £50 cashback making it supremely cheap, but the point is it's got toners that can be refilled. When they run out (which will be a while, black's 90% full) I can just buy a squeezy bottle of toner, unplug one end, fill, re-plug and then stick a pen in the right spot to reset the cartridge fill sensor.

For comparison I also picked up a black and white samsung laser (small desk-top model) for £40, but as soon as the toner's empty it's about another £40 to replace and bam it's more expensive than the Brother.

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CampGareth

There are cheaper office workhorse printers to run out there. I picked up … There are cheaper office workhorse printers to run out there. I picked up a Brother HL-L8250CDN back in april for £120 then got £50 cashback making it supremely cheap, but the point is it's got toners that can be refilled. When they run out (which will be a while, black's 90% full) I can just buy a squeezy bottle of toner, unplug one end, fill, re-plug and then stick a pen in the right spot to reset the cartridge fill sensor. For comparison I also picked up a black and white samsung laser (small desk-top model) for £40, but as soon as the toner's empty it's about another £40 to replace and bam it's more expensive than the Brother.


With respect, you're comparing this machine to printers intended for much lower throughput. It's a different beast altogether.

http://67.media.tumblr.com/725475cecadce5f9695dd30166dc8e0a/tumblr_mgqn5slMN71r0uvm3o3_250.gif

I bought the same printer from printer land about 6 months ago for the same price.
Not a bad printer for the price.

+ Free Bluetooth Speaker?

£2 cheaper
here


Still running my Dell 1320c, 4 colour carts for a nudge over £20.


quidstretchy

With respect, you're comparing this machine to printers intended for much … With respect, you're comparing this machine to printers intended for much lower throughput. It's a different beast altogether.



Yeah I see the difference, 1000-3000 pages per month for the brother to 30k pages for this.

Top deal. Thanks!
I couldn't find any reviews on the WWW for this printer, but similar ones are generally ok, and at £175 I'm willing to take the risk.
And this is generally a stonking deal - it really is ~£900 almost everywhere else.
Shame about the cost of the toner, but if it really lasts that long then I [almost] expect the printer to die before I have to replace the toner!
Ordered!

Specs are top notch, and the price per page is very low. Reviews (from user and a 'consulting firm) are very good... but the weight and size of this thing are unfortunately too much for most in a domestic setting :-(

Since there aren't any real reviews of this printer I thought I'd I just write my first impressions..
Firstly, Printerland seemed very good. I've dealt with them before without any trouble. I got the standard call after web ordering enquiring if I absolutely positively didn't want some extras. They suggested the WiFi option (hard to push toner on a printer that comes with 8k toners). They didn't offer a mid-flight champagne or travel insurance.
Delivery was free next day - no problems on receipt. Bear in mind this printer is heavy (77.5 kg boxed) and arrives on a wooden pallet. I had to wait a day to install because it's a two man lift.

Under Windows 10 it installed without even trying - just appeared in the list even without clicking "add printer..". Like many printers today it was discovered by mDNS/DNS-SD. Only minor niggle is it assumed Paper Tray 1 had "Vinyl paper" in it. Quickly remedied.

Under Linux (Ubuntu 14.04), similarly a transparent install but I did have to click "Add Printer.." (oh, the humanity!). It presents as a Postscript printer. I'm still tweaking this as it seems to default to B/W and the default dithering setting is a tad off (the driver has "Printer Default" everywhere, so that may need a changing).

Usage - the printer runs Android so the UI is snappy and very easy to use. The web interface is also excellent and fully featured. There's even an option to VNC into the printer's control panel (the Android one, I mean), but I haven't tried it.
The printer is fast. Crazy fast. It can multiply a user's errors faster than any I've seen in a long time.
It's a little louder than home printers, but for a heavy duty office printer it's average, perhaps a little on the quiet side. Under heavy load however it may kick the fan into high gear and *may* get louder, although I haven't experienced this yet (just during power-on self-test).

Print quality - the jury is still out. Initial opinion is that it's like most colour lasers - for text it's excellent. Pin sharp. For photos, the colours are a little posterised, although I haven't attempted any calibration or optimisation. It's great on pamphlets and powerpoints.

This printer is generally a beast. It's heavy. So heavy, in fact, that it almost bends light around itself. Keep babies and small pets away lest they get caught in the gravity well. I fully expect an asteroid belt of paper clips orbiting the printer after a few weeks of regular use.

Overall, I'm pleased. The toners, although very high capacity, seem a little expensive as a single payment cost (£1533 for 22k/33k toner *pack*), but bear in mind CMYK come as separate toners, so unless you're constantly printing rainbows and My Little Ponies all the 8k CMY toners that came with the printer should last a very very long time, and the 8k K toner is only 170 GBP (inc), or 220GBP (inc) for the 22k K toner. 22k is 44 reams of paper, which is about three trees. This printer also has a built in duplexer (which works great).

Current best thinking - it was a good buy. Still tweaking photo settings, but generally no deal breakers and no complaints. It's a back breaker and may need a structurally sound table.

I'm tempted with this for my small business to replace my HL-L8250CDN. I've been printing about 200 pages a day for the past couple of months so a higher throughput and higher capacity tray would be nicer.

Bit confused where they've got the Mono cost per page of £0.007 from though? Is that just the printer/parts cost?, As a toner of 8k @ £170 works out at 2p alone.

£170 per toner makes me cry though :-)

Edit: Ah right, I see where the 0.007 comes from, it's using the 33k black toner.
Edited by: "vaugi" 17th Dec 2016

vaugi

Edit: Ah right, I see where the 0.007 comes from, it's using the 33k … Edit: Ah right, I see where the 0.007 comes from, it's using the 33k black toner.


Yes, sorry - my message had a typo - £220 (inc VAT) for 33k Black toner, not 22k. The 22k page count is for the super size CMY toners.

DonP

Yes, sorry - my message had a typo - £220 (inc VAT) for 33k Black toner, … Yes, sorry - my message had a typo - £220 (inc VAT) for 33k Black toner, not 22k. The 22k page count is for the super size CMY toners.



Where is the £220 price for the 33k black, I only see it for £235+VAT(£282)? Thanks.

vaugi

Where is the £220 price for the 33k black, I only see it for … Where is the £220 price for the 33k black, I only see it for £235+VAT(£282)? Thanks.


Hmm. Perhaps I misread. You're right - it says 235+VAT=282.00. Or maybe I mistyped 282.00 as 220.00 and copied without thinking/checking.
Or maybe they've changed the price. I remember thinking it was significantly cheaper than elsewhere and being surprised it's only £30 (with VAT) more than the 8k.
Probably my mistake. Sorry.

DonP

Hmm. Perhaps I misread. You're right - it says 235+VAT=282.00. Or maybe I … Hmm. Perhaps I misread. You're right - it says 235+VAT=282.00. Or maybe I mistyped 282.00 as 220.00 and copied without thinking/checking.Or maybe they've changed the price. I remember thinking it was significantly cheaper than elsewhere and being surprised it's only £30 (with VAT) more than the 8k.Probably my mistake. Sorry.



No worries. Problem is I'm stuck between a workhorse like this and a midrange small business printer. If this was £100 more I'd probably not be looking at it! :-)

vaugi

No worries. Problem is I'm stuck between a workhorse like this and a … No worries. Problem is I'm stuck between a workhorse like this and a midrange small business printer. If this was £100 more I'd probably not be looking at it! :-)


I know what you mean. I couldn't justify buying for £900 (inc), as it's priced at EBuyer and most other places..
but at £175, I can live with that, especially considering the super cheap toner.
I also considered the Lexmark models a wrung or two down - and they're £95 (cs410dn) or £118 (cs720dn).
The cs720dn might make sense, but for sixty quid more I get a hernia and higher capacity inks (not only a tad cheaper, but less changes). On the other hand, the 720 is still very fast @ 38 ppm (820 is 57 ppm), smaller, lighter (not that important) and has otherwise identical specs:
http://www.printerland.co.uk/CompareProducts.aspx?Ids=137316,137309
It might suit you better.

Just an update on my earlier comment on printing photos.. they're not as bad as I earlier thought.
If the colours in the file are extreme, bordering on HDR, then yes, there's some posterization, but with the few ordinary, unprocessed, photos that I've printed since the subtle shades and skintones have come out better than on default settings on an Epson WF-5620DWF inket (AIO).
Anyway, if anyone has any questions then I'll check this thread for a few more days.
Edited by: "DonP" 18th Dec 2016

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DonP

Since there aren't any real reviews of this printer I thought I'd I just … Since there aren't any real reviews of this printer I thought I'd I just write my first impressions..Firstly, Printerland seemed very good. I've dealt with them before without any trouble. I got the standard call after web ordering enquiring if I absolutely positively didn't want some extras. They suggested the WiFi option (hard to push toner on a printer that comes with 8k toners). They didn't offer a mid-flight champagne or travel insurance.Delivery was free next day - no problems on receipt. Bear in mind this printer is heavy (77.5 kg boxed) and arrives on a wooden pallet. I had to wait a day to install because it's a two man lift.Under Windows 10 it installed without even trying - just appeared in the list even without clicking "add printer..". Like many printers today it was discovered by mDNS/DNS-SD. Only minor niggle is it assumed Paper Tray 1 had "Vinyl paper" in it. Quickly remedied.Under Linux (Ubuntu 14.04), similarly a transparent install but I did have to click "Add Printer.." (oh, the humanity!). It presents as a Postscript printer. I'm still tweaking this as it seems to default to B/W and the default dithering setting is a tad off (the driver has "Printer Default" everywhere, so that may need a changing).Usage - the printer runs Android so the UI is snappy and very easy to use. The web interface is also excellent and fully featured. There's even an option to VNC into the printer's control panel (the Android one, I mean), but I haven't tried it.The printer is fast. Crazy fast. It can multiply a user's errors faster than any I've seen in a long time.It's a little louder than home printers, but for a heavy duty office printer it's average, perhaps a little on the quiet side. Under heavy load however it may kick the fan into high gear and *may* get louder, although I haven't experienced this yet (just during power-on self-test).Print quality - the jury is still out. Initial opinion is that it's like most colour lasers - for text it's excellent. Pin sharp. For photos, the colours are a little posterised, although I haven't attempted any calibration or optimisation. It's great on pamphlets and powerpoints.This printer is generally a beast. It's heavy. So heavy, in fact, that it almost bends light around itself. Keep babies and small pets away lest they get caught in the gravity well. I fully expect an asteroid belt of paper clips orbiting the printer after a few weeks of regular use.Overall, I'm pleased. The toners, although very high capacity, seem a little expensive as a single payment cost (£1533 for 22k/33k toner *pack*), but bear in mind CMYK come as separate toners, so unless you're constantly printing rainbows and My Little Ponies all the 8k CMY toners that came with the printer should last a very very long time, and the 8k K toner is only 170 GBP (inc), or 220GBP (inc) for the 22k K toner. 22k is 44 reams of paper, which is about three trees. This printer also has a built in duplexer (which works great).Current best thinking - it was a good buy. Still tweaking photo settings, but generally no deal breakers and no complaints. It's a back breaker and may need a structurally sound table.


I've just read your comment. It's pretty accurate, and very entertaining. Thanks

Thanks to the OP. Fed up of fighting the losing battle of using cheap generic inks and toners in smaller home printers, I took the plunge.

No matter what you read, nothing can prepare you for the size and weight of the beast. Unpacking it is a monumental challenge, never mind carrying it through the house to its destination. I woke up this s morning and for a while couldn't work out why I was covered in bruises, then I realised it is from lifting and carrying this printer.

Not tried photo printing on glossy paper yet, hoping it is better than the dell 1760 it replaced but will try soon.

Only thing I would add this the previous posts is that network setup assumes some capability of computers. Connecting through Ethernet took me a while to work out as I couldn't find any instructions anywhere. On home printers, you usually get a tool to help you through the process but this is an office printer and assumes you know what to do. For a while it would not pick up an IP address from the router. Finally I disabled IPV6 which was on my default, rebooted and it got an address allocated. In the end I assigned a fixed up address and setup the driver on windows 10 to use this port instead of the default port. This seemed to make a massive difference to the communication speed, almost instantaneous. On the mac, the default settings seemed to work perfectly. No need to purchase the wireless version if you have it connected via Ethernet to your wireless router, works fine wired or wireless throughout the house and the iPhones automatically see it as an AirPrint printer.

The main issue I can see having is when it has used up all the toner, god knows how I am going to get this down to the tip to dispose of it, absolutely dreading moving this again. I would recommend asking someone to help you and not do this on your own.

Unfortunately it's gone up now at Printerland @£214, so I purchased at the Printer Experts link above for the same previous price £172. Look forward to breaking my back when it arrives :-)

This is phenomenal.

Looks like this has gone back down again to £169 (+VAT). Crazy seeing as though it ships with 8,000 pages of toner. Still showing 99+ in stock.

I got one first time round but toners have gone so I've just bought another!
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