Logitech Harmony 525 £34.28 delivered @ misco (available for immediate dispatch )
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Logitech Harmony 525 £34.28 delivered @ misco (available for immediate dispatch )

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Found 9th Jan 2009Made hot 18th Jan 2009
Posted the other day the same remote from Amazon but the whole thread turned up as a debate about in stock and out of stock from Amazon when it says delivery in 3 to 5 weeks
so i thought i can post this for £3 extra you get it delivered in "3 to 5" days not weeks

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Wait again until those same people come in here complaining though saying its pants, or its a remote control whats with all the fan boys blah blah blah......

Fact is folks this is Logitechs Harmony Remote base model, its a good price, questions about its build quality are mentioned, but fact of matter is, it works and is programmed the same as the other Harmony remotes throughout the range, and has only 3 less programmable settings (12 instead of 15) than its bigger brother the 555 which won What Hi Fi best programmable remote for two years running.

No other Universal remote in this price range comes close...end of story, voted hot, again. If people are that impatient to wait on Amazon.

Thanks for that pointer - worth the extra £3 (all less quidco 4% excluding VAT/P&P ie £1.11) to get it ASAP whereas the Amazon 3-4 week manana was becoming ever more tediously manana (if then, as I believe they have been discontinued and hence might never be restocked?).

I was going to order this last time they had it at this price, but it went out of stock & they put the price up to nearly £40 plus still had to wait for it to come back in stock so i decided to buy from else where & paid £44 Inc next day delivery but that was the only option for delivery on the site i used. Should of waited a bit longer to get this.

That said its a great remote its dose everything its meant to do & well worth the money i paid for it. But if you want to wait a couple of days this is a great bargain at £10 cheaper then a paid for it, plus could always get quidco as well

I would highly recommend this remote to any one that needs something like this

Mine has just been dispatched from Amazon, but thanks for the heads up.

I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I don't see any of the drivel, I don't want to see it.

It is about a product, not personal issues, as with any product, just do your homework first. Who can argue with that. (But of course some will!)

Read all the reviews, it has all been said before - read not just the Logitech shareholder's opinions and the paid-for advertising reviews - read the good and bad ones, read between the lines too, ask yourself if the reviews are because of a vested interest in it. Spend some time reading the Logitech users forum and see what sort of hassles others have. Decide too if you are the sort of person who has a lot of free time on your hands and likes a challenge. An affinity to liking long chats to people from across the world on the phone will help. Do you like to fuss around, returning goods when it doesn't work the way the ads and the fans say? Perhaps you have a Panasonic TV - some models don't ever seem to work with it. Money tight?.... so do you NEED it? Is it worth any grief when you can get any old learning remote working in half an hour or so, which will just replace the mess of having a few remote controls lying all over.

nihcaj;4014580

I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I … I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I don't see any of the drivel, I don't want to see it.


I can see some drivel now. :whistling:
Id say one statement tho about this remote tho, only buy this if your clever.... have a little common sense.... and understand technology & are handy on computers. you should then be able to understand how to get the most out of it.

Good price... no point in waiting 3-5 weeks for it. probably will be £15 by then.
Id order now from misco too Tho if amazon are no dispatching thiers....

nihcaj;4014580

I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I … I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I don't see any of the drivel, I don't want to see it.It is about a product, not personal issues, as with any product, just do your homework first. Who can argue with that. (But of course some will!)Read all the reviews, it has all been said before - read not just the Logitech shareholder's opinions and the paid-for advertising reviews - read the good and bad ones, read between the lines too, ask yourself if the reviews are because of a vested interest in it. Spend some time reading the Logitech users forum and see what sort of hassles others have. Decide too if you are the sort of person who has a lot of free time on your hands and likes a challenge. An affinity to liking long chats to people from across the world on the phone will help. Do you like to fuss around, returning goods when it doesn't work the way the ads and the fans say? Perhaps you have a Panasonic TV - some models don't ever seem to work with it. Money tight?.... so do you NEED it? Is it worth any grief when you can get any old learning remote working in half an hour or so, which will just replace the mess of having a few remote controls lying all over.




Oh surprise surprise I wondered when you would crop up.....

A Universal remote takes time to set up properly, it has a lot of functions to replicate....no other remote comes close to the Harmony range, the model up from this one the 555 (which has better build quality and 3 extra device programmings, 15 instead of 12) won What Hi Fi awards best programmable remote for two years running and has had plenty of good reviews, both magazine and users.

It took me half a day to program mine to replicate SACD, DVD-A, XBOX 360, TV, V+, watching DVD with or without 5.1, HD DVD, Hi Fi receiver, CD Player, Satellite TV, Roku Soundbridge, DVD recorder and then store away all the remotes in a drawer elimination clutter.

Is it worth the grief.? YES if you have a lot of equipment and are prepared to set it up....you can never expect ANY universal remote to just magically work your equipment upon buying it, and thats where I think you have the problem, you expect to pay the money and it do everything for you, it doesnt.

The fact the Harmony range is the most customisable, has the best displays for programming buttons that are not as you would class normal functions on a remote (instead of shift/magic button programming of other cack Universal remotes, where you would need a memorisable brain) is briliant.

I have never had to speak to anyone in my useage of my 555 at all, it was my best purchase of last year, and I paid £37 for it, very good value for money in my opinion and so is the 525.

Come up with anything better in the price range and you may have some sort of argument against the Harmony range.

As for Panasonic issues, they are apparant, nothing a forum discussion wont solve for you, or a phone call to Logitech

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All I can say is you were not prepared and were bitter about spending money on something you could not get to function properly, but did you actually attempt to get it to work properly? Most negative opinions of the Harmony range are from people that dont actually consider that to get any universal remote to replicate the functions of their original remote takes time and thought, and tweaking...thats to the Logitechs plus, its far more customisable than anything else.

Just because you couldnt get to grips with that, doesnt make any Harmony remote a bad choice, you are just cynical of others like myself that can and do use the Harmony remotes successfully.

Chris206;4014645

I can see some drivel now. :whistling:Id say one statement tho about this … I can see some drivel now. :whistling:Id say one statement tho about this remote tho, only buy this if your clever.... have a little common sense.... and understand technology & are handy on computers. you should then be able to understand how to get the most out of it.Good price... no point in waiting 3-5 weeks for it. probably will be £15 by then. Id order now from misco too Tho if amazon are no dispatching thiers....




And thats where the negative reviews come from, those that dont understand that it takes time and a logical programming understanding to get the most out of a Programmable remote, heck thats why they are "programmable", because they require ermmm "programming"! lol. Nothing comes close to Logitech Universal remotes within the price range does it!

Chris206;4014645

Id say one statement tho about this remote tho, only buy this if your … Id say one statement tho about this remote tho, only buy this if your clever



Well, now I get it.

If only the ads said this, then there wouldn't be a problem then, would there? Toys normally have "age range" on the side - they seem to have left it off this one.
Certainly you would have to be more clever than me, so it limits Logitech's potential market a touch!

Can you get a grant or a scholarship for the years of study necessary? If not, they are never going to be as popular as an All for One that works out of the box!

ordered mine from amazon on 2nd, it was despatched this morning

Mine was also despatched today from Amazon.

nihcaj;4016656

Well, now I get it. If only the ads said this, then there wouldn't be a … Well, now I get it. If only the ads said this, then there wouldn't be a problem then, would there? Toys normally have "age range" on the side - they seem to have left it off this one.Certainly you would have to be more clever than me, so it limits Logitech's potential market a touch!Can you get a grant or a scholarship for the years of study necessary? If not, they are never going to be as popular as an All for One that works out of the box!



Had a One For All Kameleon, it doesn't work anywhere remotely as well as the Harmony, mainly because you need a scholarship in remembering any magic macros for anything other than "basic" operation of any device.

So whilst the One For All can work directly out the box, with the aid of rummaging around trying to find the correct number to input for your device, they only do for all but rudementary functions....but your comments in this and other Logitech threads just simply scoff that the Harmony is rubbish.

Its not a toy, so it doesn't require an age range, seems like you need one....its a PROGRAMMABLE remote control, that replaces the functions of up to 12 remotes in the instance of the 525, and more with higher priced Harmonys in the range.

Think it would be good marketing sense for Logitech to emblazen on their boxes "Caution, only buy a programmable remote if you have a certain degree of logic in order to replace your original remotes"

For any more than doing any rudementary functions, including macro activity programming with One For All remotes, I guarantee you they are actually HARDER to program than Harmony remotes, due to the lack of screens, as stated macro/magic buttons would require you to have a guide to what keys you have shift programmed, whereas the Harmony remotes show the buttons programmed as clear as day in the screen provided.

Some of the cheap Universal remotes, such as the Tevion from Aldi offer the same functionality as a £30 One For All remote and only cost £7.99.

If you spend £30 or more on a Universal remote nothing comes close to Logitechs Harmony, whether you personally cannot be bothered to get to grips with learning how to get the most out of it or not..just because its not for you doesn't mean its not for everyone, and it would be better if you would been less cynical about it.

*EDIT* Just taken a look at the NEW remotes One For All offer.......

All I can say is the range is laughable compared to the Harmony, as I have owned a kameleon before which doesnt come close to the Harmony range, the only ones comparable to now in the "advanced" range...perhaps thats the problem, you dont like the fact that Logitech don't mark up their remotes accordingly...or is that perhaps because even the base model is ADVANCED compared to One For All.....anyway.....

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Xsight Colour or Xsight Touch are the only two that offer anywhere near the customisation that even the budget 525 offers, and at RRP of £149 and £199 respectively and even realistically knocking off even £50 maximum in real money rather than RRP, I cannot see how these two models can even at £99 and £150 compete with the Harmony One upwards......

Which makes the Harmony 525 even more of a bargain in my opinion, anything beneath a Kameleon in the One For All range is no better than a learning programmable remote control that you can pick up cheap at Aldi or Lidl...then you find they are very limited at what functions they can replicate...just try a DVD recorder, replicate the buttons functioning for that without shift keys being programmed....you cant!!!!! Much easier having the buttons programmed into a screen with customisable text any day.

I actually received the 555 from Misco the other day, paid £43 for it. I have been umming and arring to get one after reading that they are sometime hard to get working bearing in mind I am not up on all that. Well when I received it I connected it to my computer after registering on Logitech website _ I managed to have all the details (model numbers) of my 8 different machines and must admit it was quite straightforward and now am wishing I bought one earlier. I had to tweak it to get it to my liking either the logitech website or avforums have a lot of help on their respective websites.
Just thought I would share that they are not all that bad to program

Lyndyhop;4046551

I actually received the 555 from Misco the other day, paid £43 for it. I … I actually received the 555 from Misco the other day, paid £43 for it. I have been umming and arring to get one after reading that they are sometime hard to get working bearing in mind I am not up on all that. Well when I received it I connected it to my computer after registering on Logitech website _ I managed to have all the details (model numbers) of my 8 different machines and must admit it was quite straightforward and now am wishing I bought one earlier. I had to tweak it to get it to my liking either the logitech website or avforums have a lot of help on their respective websites.Just thought I would share that they are not all that bad to program



Another satisfied customer, and the more you learn the more you tweak until you get it exactly how you want it, and it truly replaces all of your existing remotes.:)

The thread was dead and I had all but forgotten about it until someone posted... it reminded me - the other day it seems that Microsoft are chasing Logitech to buy it... after Logitech shares have gone down by 43% over 6 months:
digitallook.com/com…tml
uk.reuters.com/art…l=0

I wonder if they will keep on this line of remote controls if they do? That would pull the rug out - without manufacturer's support it would be an even lamer duck!
I can't see Microsoft wanting to pay the costs involved in providing a product with the level of support this needs!

nihcaj;4101506

The thread was dead and I had all but forgotten about it until someone … The thread was dead and I had all but forgotten about it until someone posted... it reminded me - the other day it seems that Microsoft are chasing Logitech to buy it... after Logitech shares have gone down by 43% over 6 months:http://www.digitallook.com/companyresearch/1263484/Logitech/share_prices.htmlhttp://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKL1049519220080110?feedType=RSS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0I wonder if they will keep on this line of remote controls if they do? That would pull the rug out - without manufacturer's support it would be an even lamer duck! I can't see Microsoft wanting to pay the costs involved in providing a product with the level of support this needs!



You really are a trip, cannot help yourself making a dig at the Harmony range, it is what it is due to the support currently, if you don't like it stop trolling the Logitech threads.

Who is to say in speculation of a Microsoft buyout that Logitechs support arm is going to suffer, it hasn't happened as yet.

Just because YOU personally had problems with it doesn't mean its a lame duck, as previously posted, name me a better remote out there, One For All remotes don't come close, please refer back to post number 13 on here, and unless you have a valid argument otherwise, there is no need to further troll Logitech Harmony posts which you seem to keep doing!

*EDIT* A quick google search shows this speculated rumour is a YEAR old too!.....and have not seen any support as yet for any remote released in the Harmony range being deleted, if my remote lasts me 5 years which I at least expect it to, then time to reevaluate my equipment and possibly my remote, and even then One For All and Philips are way behind what Logitech offer, lets see if they can catch up.

cicobuff;4015054

It took me half a day to program mine to replicate SACD, DVD-A, XBOX 360, … It took me half a day to program mine to replicate SACD, DVD-A, XBOX 360, TV, V+, watching DVD with or without 5.1, HD DVD, Hi Fi receiver, CD Player, Satellite TV, Roku Soundbridge, DVD recorder and then store away all the remotes in a drawer elimination clutter.



I like the idea of one these but half a day just to set it up - jeez! Isn't that about 5 years worth of standard remote clicking with fairly minimal fuss and labour requirements?

It's a remote control. Some of you really do need to get out a bit more, blimey!
Mines on it's way from Amazon but cheers anyway.

I decided to wait for the Amazon one when this was posted just after Christmas. I recieved it a few days ago and it is brilliant.

I have a lot of kit; TV, Receiver, PS3, PS2, Wii, Xbox 360, CD player, V+ box and I had it all setup in around an hour, if that. The wizard was very helpful in the initial setup and the software is easy to use for adding your own options. There is some fine tuning to be done to get it working perfectly, but it's performing very well after around an hours input with it. Don't be scared by everyone saying 5 hours or half a day, you could easily do a little bit of a time and still have a functioning remote.

nihcaj;4014580

I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I … I see the fans are here already, no doubt slagging off all dissenters. I don't see any of the drivel, I don't want to see it.It is about a product, not personal issues, as with any product, just do your homework first. Who can argue with that. (But of course some will!)Read all the reviews, it has all been said before - read not just the Logitech shareholder's opinions and the paid-for advertising reviews - read the good and bad ones, read between the lines too, ask yourself if the reviews are because of a vested interest in it. Spend some time reading the Logitech users forum and see what sort of hassles others have. Decide too if you are the sort of person who has a lot of free time on your hands and likes a challenge. An affinity to liking long chats to people from across the world on the phone will help. Do you like to fuss around, returning goods when it doesn't work the way the ads and the fans say? Perhaps you have a Panasonic TV - some models don't ever seem to work with it. Money tight?.... so do you NEED it? Is it worth any grief when you can get any old learning remote working in half an hour or so, which will just replace the mess of having a few remote controls lying all over.



Unfortunatley it does require some intelligence to program it. Perhaps youy should ask for help next time. :whistling:

I recall that in another thread someone posted a compatability link but I dont seem to be able to find it now, and google seems to think only owners can look at the compatability.

Does anyone have the ability to check if my old Aiwa AV-X100 is compatible? I lost the remote (years ago) and would rather this than anexpensive replacement.

Thanks all

I just added this myself! didnt realise it was already a thread

£32.28 Delivered on a Super Saver

Just ordered mine! a bit unsure whether i should of went for the 555 now for extra £8

I have had a 525 for about 18 months and wouldn't go back to an ordinary remote. You can quickly set up your devices but when you spend a little bit time with it and and one button can set up your tv on the right input switch on your 360 or dvd or pvr switch on your av amp on the right input it really comes into its own. Voted hot at this price.

AddictWeb;4107013

I recall that in another thread someone posted a compatability link but I … I recall that in another thread someone posted a compatability link but I dont seem to be able to find it now, and google seems to think only owners can look at the compatability. Does anyone have the ability to check if my old Aiwa AV-X100 is compatible? I lost the remote (years ago) and would rather this than anexpensive replacement. Thanks all



Yes it is compatible.

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having been setting two of these up this weekend, i have one criticism.
the wizard based (actualy web based!) interface that you have to step through to change anything. where is the expert mode that lets me edit scripts by hand? or at least do it on one screen. the wizards are painful until you learn by trial and error where each option might be, and even then its slow. on the other hand, once you do get it right, you shouldn't need to use it again much until you change your equipment..

also props to logitech that its easy to move settings to another remote (but why only one remote per account? seems a bit bizarre). thank god if you lose or break or upgrade you don't have to start again though..

btw, i got mine from amazon, they don't take nearly as long as they say they're going to take.

I recently changed from an all for one kamelion to a logitec 515.
The one for all was a terrible remote, it was advertised as touchscreen (silly me thought that meant that it was gonna have an lcd touchscreen) but in effect it was just a backlit fixed button remote. It was cumbersome and heavy and didn't really do many functions for each device.
The logitec 515 is a totally different story. It took me 20 mins to program the four devices I wanted it to operate (including a panasonic tv - this needed a bit of tweaking, to make it change to hdmi input 9 seconds after pressing "turn on tv") and since then it has been so easy to use. It's really nice having the display on there to show all the functions on each device, rather than having to guess the functions on the all for one.
Logitec remotes really are the ultimate remote. It really does replace all the others. With the all for one, I had to keep getting the old remotes out of the cupboard to do certain functions.

John

I used to own a Philips Pronto, supposedly the best at one time? It was so complicated to configure (and I AM a full time nerd) that I left it on a shelf for two years before selling it on ebay.
I eventually replaced 7 normal remotes with a Harmony 885, and the first thing to strike me was how intuitive the setup is. I suggest you download the software for free from the Harmony web site, configure it for all your hardware and make sure it can handle everything you have. If you buy the device it's a 5 minute job to connect it and download your pre-configured settings onto it. You might spend the next 7 days tinkering with button delays and discrete codes, this and that, but it's very good.
Although I do have the 885, the software is the important component, not always the number of buttons and display.

I got one rom Amazon @ £31.07. I notice they've gone back up to £49+ now. Took a while to program to my needs but as far as I'm concerned it's great!

got mine a few months ago really great remote perfect for a replacment for my 5 old ones

Zaxxan;4106967

Unfortunatley it does require some intelligence to program it. Perhaps … Unfortunatley it does require some intelligence to program it. Perhaps youy should ask for help next time. :whistling:



Well we are agreed on that... very specific intelligence too - In fact the specific knowledge required means it will suit very specific people - perhaps the type of people that would spent 5 or 6 hours a day playing a role playing game might get on with it.
I don't, and never have done, I used my intelligence to more academic & practical ends instead of playing games like this.

Would it be possible to control a pc if i had a IR reciever? i bought a cheap Media Center remote and Ir Reciver from ebay but the remotes buttons are flat and its very difficult to use in the dark

Would this remote also offer new features if programed correctly?

AddictWeb;4107013

I recall that in another thread someone posted a compatability link but I … I recall that in another thread someone posted a compatability link but I dont seem to be able to find it now, and google seems to think only owners can look at the compatability. Does anyone have the ability to check if my old Aiwa AV-X100 is compatible? I lost the remote (years ago) and would rather this than anexpensive replacement.



All my gear WAS "compatible" in fact I doubt if anything produced in the last ten or more years isn't on the list, so I can go as far as saying you needn't bother looking as it WILL be there! It doesn't mean you still won't need to learn every key, and mess about with support, as you might find that the codes in the database are not for that EXACT model, just a generic model that isn't the same! Just hope that the previous bloke taught his remote accurately before it got uploaded to the database, or you might as well start learning it from scratch yourself.

I have had one of these for about 2 years and have also bought one for my parents recently.

With regard to the build quality issues some people have rasied; On my remote the buttons have become a little squeeky and spongy, not at all bad enough to stop using it. I noticed the buttons felt a little different on the other one I bought so possibly they have changed it a little. The only visible difference between the two is that mine has a little rubber flap over the usb port, the newer one does not.

I don't think an easier to program remote exists, and if it does it's certainly not at this price.

Guys, all you need is a megatron:

http://www.e4.com/images/mb/E4/doitandwin/megatron/jeremy-peepshow.jpg

Thanks for the deal. Ordered one.

Price seems to have gone up slightly. Mine came to £35.28 (with £1.99 super saver delivery)

nihcaj;4107271

Well we are agreed on that... very specific intelligence too - In fact … Well we are agreed on that... very specific intelligence too - In fact the specific knowledge required means it will suit very specific people - perhaps the type of people that would spent 5 or 6 hours a day playing a role playing game might get on with it.I don't, and never have done, I used my intelligence to more academic & practical ends instead of playing games like this.



Why don't you use your specific writing skills on another thread? No need to take it out on overyone else just because you couldn't set up yours.

(btw, I hate RPGs and like this product. although slow to set up initially, these remotes work and can do things even the original remotes can't do. if that makes someone else's life easier, and even enables people to use equipment they couldn't understand before, then i think it's worth it.)

This remote has a 10 device limit. the screen is a little harder to read than the 515 imho because text is only one pixel wide instead of 2.

edit: well done for the peep show reference above

nihcaj;4107271

I used my intelligence to more academic & practical ends instead of … I used my intelligence to more academic & practical ends instead of playing games like this.



Intelligence to do what? Keeping trolling Logitech threads, telling everyone how cack they are because you dont want to spend the time and have the patience to set one up properly and yet cannot come up with a suitable alternative product that might be better :roll:

RedOnRed;4106906

I like the idea of one these but half a day just to set it up - jeez! … I like the idea of one these but half a day just to set it up - jeez! Isn't that about 5 years worth of standard remote clicking with fairly minimal fuss and labour requirements?



Don't buy one if you are not prepared to program one, its as simple as that..if you like the idea of having all your remotes stored away and have a lot of AV equipment and understand that with it comes a lot of macros to control your equipment, and that nothing else on the market comes close to what the Harmony offers in flexibility of doing so, then its for you...if not, well you are better sticking with a table full of remotes.

Either that or be frustrated with lesser Universal remotes out there that you will find are limited unless you keep handy a sheet of shift buttoned programmed features for obscure functions of your original remote, because they would otherwise only handle very generic functions.

It took me half a day setting it up as I have a lot of equipment, and a lot of permeatations.

cicobuff;4015054

Oh surprise surprise I wondered when you would crop up.....A Universal … Oh surprise surprise I wondered when you would crop up.....A Universal remote takes time to set up properly, it has a lot of functions to replicate....no other remote comes close to the Harmony range, the model up from this one the 555 (which has better build quality and 3 extra device programmings, 15 instead of 12) won What Hi Fi awards best programmable remote for two years running and has had plenty of good reviews, both magazine and users.It took me half a day to program mine to replicate SACD, DVD-A, XBOX 360, TV, V+, watching DVD with or without 5.1, HD DVD, Hi Fi receiver, CD Player, Satellite TV, Roku Soundbridge, DVD recorder and then store away all the remotes in a drawer elimination clutter.Is it worth the grief.? YES if you have a lot of equipment and are prepared to set it up....you can never expect ANY universal remote to just magically work your equipment upon buying it, and thats where I think you have the problem, you expect to pay the money and it do everything for you, it doesnt.The fact the Harmony range is the most customisable, has the best displays for programming buttons that are not as you would class normal functions on a remote (instead of shift/magic button programming of other cack Universal remotes, where you would need a memorisable brain) is briliant.I have never had to speak to anyone in my useage of my 555 at all, it was my best purchase of last year, and I paid £37 for it, very good value for money in my opinion and so is the 525.Come up with anything better in the price range and you may have some sort of argument against the Harmony range.As for Panasonic issues, they are apparant, nothing a forum discussion wont solve for you, or a phone call to Logitech http://www.avforums.com/forums/remote-controls/873443-harmony-one-panasonic-tv.htmlAll I can say is you were not prepared and were bitter about spending money on something you could not get to function properly, but did you actually attempt to get it to work properly? Most negative opinions of the Harmony range are from people that dont actually consider that to get any universal remote to replicate the functions of their original remote takes time and thought, and tweaking...thats to the Logitechs plus, its far more customisable than anything else.Just because you couldnt get to grips with that, doesnt make any Harmony remote a bad choice, you are just cynical of others like myself that can and do use the Harmony remotes successfully.



no, they are just too stupid to use it

Smiff;4107452

Why don't you use your specific writing skills on another thread? No need … Why don't you use your specific writing skills on another thread? No need to take it out on overyone else just because you couldn't set up yours.



If everybody would shut up how wonderful they are, then maybe I would shut up...

I had!

Can't think that I would let the fan boys take over though, because some poor fool is going to be mislead into thinking this is always easy to set up, when it isn't. No-one is having to shore up any other product like this!

Now I know how much the Logitech shares price has fallen, I now understand why there is SO much effort going into trying to glorify this pile of skip fodder! Perhaps it's because this range is so downright awful that Logitech's share prices are doing so badly - the support costs must be astronomical - on the time I spent on the phone with them alone, they would have spent the profit from dozens of sales, even if they are paying the support staff a third world pittance!

Let's see how Microsoft deal with it if and when they buy them out! I can't wait :whistling:
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