MacBook Pro Retina Display 13" £899 @ dealcloud
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MacBook Pro Retina Display 13" £899 @ dealcloud

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Found 5th May 2014
18% off RRP
Seems like a nice deal.

MacBook doesn't need much introduction. Specs can be looked up on the apple site.

Supplied with an Apple 2 pin plug and a non-Apple UK plug to allow you to use your Macbook anywhere in the world

2.4GHz dual-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost up to 2.9GHz, 4GB 1600MHz memory, 128GB PCIe-based flash storage1, Intel Iris Graphics, Built-in battery (9 hours).
- Agharta

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Hopefully this thread won't degenerate into another petty argument over the value of equivalent specced PCs vs Macs. On it's own terms, this is a hot price for the latest version MacBook Pro Retina.
Edited by: "loop" 5th May 2014

Especially as osx requires much less spec to run faster plus still runs just as quick 3 years down the line which never happens on windows machines

Not a bad price, shame it's the 4gb model rather than the 8gb one.

loop

Hopefully this thread won't degenerate into another petty argument over … Hopefully this thread won't degenerate into another petty argument over the value of equivalent specced PCs vs Macs. On it's own terms, this is a hot price for the latest version MacBook Pro Retina.



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"Supplied with an Apple 2 pin plug and a non-Apple UK plug to allow you to use your Macbook anywhere in the world"

More like this is a US import which is why it is cheaper

hmm... in the blurb it says about being supplied with Apple 2 pin plug and non apple UK plug, which means this will be a grey import... potentially with a different keyboard layout and debatable import taxes applied. it may even be imported on purchase if the shipping is 21 days?

Just FYI for anyone looking to buy.

This is a good deal. Big saving on MBP retina, so hot for that.

I like the new MBP, and I'd like to upgrade my existing one, but it's just not enough of a step-up to justify expense, and it's not really that easy to upgrade the SSD, unlike the older one which can use any old 2.5 drive. The rapidly falling price of SSDs means that Apple are really going to have to offer a little bit more for the next round of this sku.

great price
shame about the uncertainty of whether its US or UK

Could I take this to apple stores if I had an issue?

Seems a lot to fork out for any machine regardless, unless youre specailizing

Fair enough if its going to last 3.5 x as long as an , all you actually really need, 300 quid item



of course theres the apple premium club membership , but even so
Edited by: "logohigh" 5th May 2014

logohigh

Seems a lot to fork out for any machine regardless, unless youre … Seems a lot to fork out for any machine regardless, unless youre specailizingFair enough if its going to last 3.5 x as long as an , all you actually really need, 300 quid itemof course theres the apple premium club membership , but even so



Why comment when you are of no use to this thread? Go away

bmehboob

Could I take this to apple stores if I had an issue?



Yes you can. I bought mine from Dubai and take it into stores within the country wihtout any issues.

thekanester

This is a good deal. Big saving on MBP retina, so hot for that.I like the … This is a good deal. Big saving on MBP retina, so hot for that.I like the new MBP, and I'd like to upgrade my existing one, but it's just not enough of a step-up to justify expense, and it's not really that easy to upgrade the SSD, unlike the older one which can use any old 2.5 drive. The rapidly falling price of SSDs means that Apple are really going to have to offer a little bit more for the next round of this sku.



You cant upgrade the SSD with the new retina models, they are soldered onto the board the same as the RAM. And this thing only had 4GB of RAM.

If it comes with a 2pin plug it is not UK stock.

chinds

You cant upgrade the SSD with the new retina models, they are soldered … You cant upgrade the SSD with the new retina models, they are soldered onto the board the same as the RAM. And this thing only had 4GB of RAM.



No the SSD IS upgradeable (RAM isn't). However, its a PCIe SSD and no third parties make a compatible alternative as yet. Therefore, if you'll need more capacity in the near term, its best to stump up from day one.

Assuming this is the latest Haswell model, I have one of these (16GB, 512GB) as my primary machine. Can't fault it, excellent screen, battery life, snappy as hell and great track pad as always from Apple. And I'm no Apple fan boy, I have had and still own lots of Windows laptops. This was simply the best option for me at this point and over 3 years the cost is insignificant as my primary tool for work.

I implore anyone that buys one to install one of the third party tools and try running it at higher resolutions (and native) occasionally. A travesty IMO that Apple don't offer native res option by default.

Edited by: "Mentos" 5th May 2014

chinds

You cant upgrade the SSD with the new retina models, they are soldered … You cant upgrade the SSD with the new retina models, they are soldered onto the board the same as the RAM. And this thing only had 4GB of RAM.



Not true, only the RAM is soldered. The SSD could be changed at a later date although it's not easy.

My Mid 2010 i7 model still going strong.

Mentos

[quote=chinds] [quote=thekanester] ..I implore anyone that buys one to … [quote=chinds] [quote=thekanester] ..I implore anyone that buys one to install one of the third party tools and try running it at higher resolutions (and native) occasionally. A travesty IMO that Apple don't offer native res option by default.



Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was confused (not difficult) by your comment about native resolution - so it is configured NOT to run at the native ('retina') res, and you need a third party tool to enable it?

i didn't realise you couldn't upgrade hardware with these new models... on which models can you upgrade RAM and SSD?

dt_matthews

Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was … Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was confused (not difficult) by your comment about native resolution - so it is configured NOT to run at the native ('retina') res, and you need a third party tool to enable it?



Occasionally there are rational apple customers lol. From my understanding the "retina" is a simply a high density pixel screen. So effectively on a 15" the res is 1440x900. Native resolution would be double this at 2880x1800 which will result in massive screen space but tiny elements. Too small for apple so they don't include that option.

morales

i didn't realise you couldn't upgrade hardware with these new models... … i didn't realise you couldn't upgrade hardware with these new models... on which models can you upgrade RAM and SSD?



You can upgrade when you order them from apple at a premium price. If you buy a model from a shop that's it.

I'm not sure any models still are upgradable. Current ones anyway so older ones probably but not sure how far back.

I've ordered a MacBook Air 13" with 8gb ram, the rest is standard. Would it be better to cancel and get this instead?

As this is clearly a USA import and will have a US keyboard layout I would pay £30 more for the refurbished version on the Apple UK store. Or go for a new MacBook Air 13" for £50 less, especially if portability is your key resin for purchase.

RAM soldered to the motherboard & no mSATA SSD? Wow.

So what's the advantage of that?
Probably none at all aside from price gouging the customer at point of sale.

I'd never buy a laptop that isn't user serviceable. Just think about it, you can't upgrade the storage or memory on the machine. EVER.
4GB is never going to be enough. This laptop was gimped from the get go.

dt_matthews

Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was … Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was confused (not difficult) by your comment about native resolution - so it is configured NOT to run at the native ('retina') res, and you need a third party tool to enable it?



You beat me to that question!; hukd, working at its finest, didn't save and add my comment (unless it's my iPad oO ) anyway glad you asked as I couldn't fathom that either!.

Seems strange to build such a capable screen but then cripple it with a lesser resolution!. I naively thought if you go for the retina mbp you get that as it's native res...good to hear there's a hack / app to redress it nonetheless!.

This deal is certainly interest piquing but having just gone for a Mac Mini I think I better reel myself in. Having never touched MACs or their O/S since the iMac back in 1999 it's certainly taking a little getting used to. Biggest learning curve for me right now is getting mounted drives to correctly mount at boot-up. Suspect it's the Dlink NAS that's making it more awkward...anyway I digress...

Heated, nice find Op

mhardy

Why comment when you are of no use to this thread? Go away





Well im finding out just why people are wiling to hand over the cash

K1LLER HORNET

RAM soldered to the motherboard & no mSATA SSD? Wow.So what's the … RAM soldered to the motherboard & no mSATA SSD? Wow.So what's the advantage of that? Probably none at all aside from price gouging the customer at point of sale.I'd never buy a laptop that isn't user serviceable. Just think about it, you can't upgrade the storage or memory on the machine. EVER.4GB is never going to be enough. This laptop was gimped from the get go.



Certainly a big limitation and therefore pays to buy slightly ahead of your current needs, albeit at a price. Apple should revise their practice of soldering directly to the board; yes they might lose out on a certain amount of upgrade revenue but they'll attract buyers that might otherwise look elsewhere.

I bet if you surveyed a 1000 laptop / MacBook users the stats would suggest most people either never upgrade ANY internals or, at best, head back to a store for someone else to do the job for them. Installation of memory and drives, whilst second nature for many of us, is not without headaches (accessibility, compatibility, o/s reinstallation/cloning etc). Apple could still see a good percentage of customers head back in store for upgrades even if memory and drives were easily removable.

logohigh

Seems a lot to fork out for any machine regardless, unless youre … Seems a lot to fork out for any machine regardless, unless youre specailizingFair enough if its going to last 3.5 x as long as an , all you actually really need, 300 quid itemof course theres the apple premium club membership , but even so



You remind me of the saying " Every time you open your mouth, an idiot speaks"

dt_matthews

Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was … Nice to have a sensible discussion than normal partisan crap. I was confused (not difficult) by your comment about native resolution - so it is configured NOT to run at the native ('retina') res, and you need a third party tool to enable it?



The actual native resolution of the screen (13") is 2560 x 1600.

None of the current OS's implement fully resolution independent text/UI's at present (ironically a few decades ago they did to some extent). Therefore its not trivial to scale either to these new ultra high resolutions ad hoc, sometimes resulting in them becoming small or slightly deformed when scaled. Apple have instead employed HiDPI, which IMO falls short of full resolution independence, but is the best alternative at present.

As a quick explanation of HiDPI (gives you the gist): Essentially UI widgets and text are doubled in size so they remain a similar size to the original res (1280 x 800). However, where possible (for example native UI widgets/text which are available in the provided HiDPI resolutions) they utilise the extra resolution of the display to deliver crisper text and UI (good for eye strain*). Moreover, any graphical elements/textures to be displayed will utilise as many pixels as available in the portion of the screen. In practice this is achieved by rendering everything at 4 times the resolution then downscaling to native. So if you select 1680x1050 (the highest provided option by default), it renders at 3360x2100, then downscales to 2560x1600.

So as an example, say you are running at 1280x800 HiDPI. In terms of UI widgets and text the desktop real estate will be similar to the previous non retina MBP13. But say you have a web page open on the left half of the screen and a picture with resolution 1280x1600 open on the right. On the retina MBP that picture on the right would be displayed at full resolution (as there are 1280x1600 pixels available on half the screen), while on the non retina MBP half the pixels would be lost (as there are only 640x800 pixels available on the right half of the screen). In fact, even if the picture occupied the full screen, the non retina MBP could never display it without downscaling the image (chucking away a significant proportion of the detail).

Its a decent half way house to full resolution independence, as where possible the full resolution of the display is leveraged. But legacy apps/web pages still remain legible and look similar to that on a lower res display. But the drawback is, you don't always get the full DTR (desktop real estate) some of us crave, as it increases productivity if you are comfortable running at native.

On the 13" Apple provides 4 settings for the virtual display resolution:

1024 x 640 (larger text as they call it. But if you need this, I'd strongly suggest getting your eyesight corrected)
1280 x 800 (Best for retina, what my above example was based on. Not enough DTR)
1440 x 900 (Scaled res, delivers same DTR as the 13" Air)
1680 x 1050 (Approaching reasonable DTR IMO, I use this mode sometimes)

You'll note they don't provide 2560x1600, which IMO they should. As it should be up to us to decide if we can live with native. There are however, several third party tools which will expose native and several other HiDPI modes. I use RDM, which is free and works without hiccup for me (sits in the menu bar top right, I just click on it to switch resolution on the Fly).

In practice 1680x1050 is the lowest resolution I use. This is because when browsing a doc/web in full screen mode, native leaves a lot of unused screen space. But when working with multiple Apps/Docs I usually switch to native (or 1920x1080) and have no problems using these resolutions. People really shouldn't under estimate the ability of their eyes. And as I often point out to colleagues/friends the most valuable processor I own sits between my ears, the computers job is to deliver information to it as quickly and seamlessly as possible. Its far easier/quicker to have lots of information in front of me and let my eyes scan, focus, select and deliver info to my brain, then having to scroll/switch between Apps/etc.

One improvement I really wish Apple would implement (as it would be easier then resolution independence) is allow me to set separate resolutions for each space. That way I could leave my primary desktop at native, but spaces which have Apps running in full screen I could set a lower resolution, so they App/Doc takes up the full screen. IF you've never used spaces, its an excellent implementation of multiple desktops, which really works seamlessly and switching between content is a breeze with expose/trackpad gestures (4 fingers to switch between each space/virtual desktop).

BTW I'm no Apple fan boy, I've understood and appreciated the benefits of high res displays for years and chased them (to the detriment of my wallet in the short term, but ultimate benefit of my productivity and hence earnings) for years. I still use a Vaio P for example, when I need a very portable machine. Apple were certainly not the first to deploy high res displays (Sony have been doing it for a while). But I credit them for bringing them to main stream prominence and delivered in a way that the mainstream can start to appreciate and use them. Hence I'm happy to support them by buying their products, as I was with Windows laptops such as the Vaio P, T series IBMs, etc.

* I mentioned retina being good to reduce eye strain, by delivering crisper UI's/text. While this is true to an extent, thats not the only factor which results in eye strain. A backlit display will always cause some level of eyestrain as it will invariably be at a different level of brightness to your surroundings, whereas a piece of paper is reflecting ambient light. The higher the level of contrast between your screen and ambient surroundings, the more often and quickly your iris needs to contract when you switch focus between the two. Over extended periods this will result in muscle fatigue, often characterised by sensitivity to light, headaches and generally blurry vision (one of the reasons its not advisable to watch TV in the dark, as rapid changes in image brightness from scene to scene exacerbate this issue). While a bright image always looks good, you should really get into the habit of settings display brightness to a level that minimises contrast between it and ambient light conditions. Some more tips on reducing eye strain here:

iris.ca/eye…gy/


Edited by: "Mentos" 5th May 2014

K1LLER HORNET

RAM soldered to the motherboard & no mSATA SSD? Wow.So what's the … RAM soldered to the motherboard & no mSATA SSD? Wow.So what's the advantage of that? Probably none at all aside from price gouging the customer at point of sale.I'd never buy a laptop that isn't user serviceable. Just think about it, you can't upgrade the storage or memory on the machine. EVER.4GB is never going to be enough. This laptop was gimped from the get go.



Soldering the RAM enables them to save space, many other manufacturers do it on their ultra portable machines. Not great if you're an upgrader, but many aren't and many prefer the smaller size, or for a slightly bigger battery taking up that space instead.

The SSD IS upgradeable, but they've hopped to PCIe early and their aren't any 3rd party devices available yet. PCIe is going to be the next interface of choice for performance and if you look at some of the benchmarks for their drives, the performance (on paper at least) is ahead of the rest. Wether most users will realise much benefit from a 700MB-1GB/sec (512GB - 1TB drive) sequential read write performance is debatable (random read write speeds are probably more important for many), but theres no questioning those are pretty impressive real world metrics. And significantly already approaching double the theoretical (excluding overhead) maximum of SATA3.




Edited by: "Mentos" 5th May 2014

scalpels

You remind me of the saying " Every time you open your mouth, an idiot … You remind me of the saying " Every time you open your mouth, an idiot speaks"



And you remind me of the saying "Opinions are like Ass-holes. Everybody's got one."

pjmatthews58

Not true, only the RAM is soldered. The SSD could be changed at a later … Not true, only the RAM is soldered. The SSD could be changed at a later date although it's not easy.



Ahh Ok thought the SSD was as well. Thanks for the info. Still too low on ram though. But I set-up and these at work, they are fantastic machines.

sparklehedgehog

Especially as osx requires much less spec to run faster plus still runs … Especially as osx requires much less spec to run faster plus still runs just as quick 3 years down the line which never happens on windows machines



Except it does. If you're not a moron and know how to maintain a machine properly, it's fine. Windows 7 and onwards also periodically and automatically maintain the system anyway (TRIM, defrag, garbage cleanup etc) so this "never happens on windows machines" horse-**** you're spouting is not true.

My go to OS is Debian but that doesn't stop me from being objective and honest about other OSs. Don't spread your ignorance.
Edited by: "Kroganwrex" 5th May 2014

Thanks to this thread, I now have my recently purchased 13 inch retina running at 2048 X 1280 which is brilliant for me as it gives me a ton of extra screen area to work with.

mark_0143

great priceshame about the uncertainty of whether its US or UK



Definitely won't be UK model

Can get this for £945 through education store which will be a uk model plus you get 3 years warranty at no additional cost on macbook purchases

ashtad

Can get this for £945 through education store which will be a uk model … Can get this for £945 through education store which will be a uk model plus you get 3 years warranty at no additional cost on macbook purchases


How do you get the 3 years warranty free through education?

NyanBlade

How do you get the 3 years warranty free through education?



Should be added automatically. On mine it popped up against the serial number a few weeks after purchase. When you access their site through the student store, pick a Mac, then expand the bit under "AppleCare protection uplift" by pressing learn more and you'll see it says 3 years repair coverage is included on all HE store Macs (a good way to double check before purchasing). The Apple care uplift just bumps the telephone support from 1 year to three, but I doubt many people really need that.


I do have a student in the household, but bought directly through a link that worked off campus (google is your friend) and they never contacted me to check (was a BTO order so they had a few weeks to check).


Edited by: "Mentos" 5th May 2014

Mentos

Should be added automatically. On mine it popped up against the serial … Should be added automatically. On mine it popped up against the serial number a few weeks after purchase. When you access their site through the student store, pick a Mac, then expand the bit under "AppleCare protection uplift" by pressing learn more and you'll see it says 3 years repair coverage is included on all HE store Macs (a good way to double check before purchasing). The Apple care uplift just bumps the telephone support from 1 year to three, but I doubt many people really need that.I do have a student in the household, but bought directly through a link that worked off campus (google is your friend) and they never contacted me to check (was a BTO order so they had a few weeks to check).



I heard that you get 3 years but the remaining 2 years you don't get phone support.

Kroganwrex

Except it does. If you're not a moron and know how to maintain a machine … Except it does. If you're not a moron and know how to maintain a machine properly, it's fine. Windows 7 and onwards also periodically and automatically maintain the system anyway (TRIM, defrag, garbage cleanup etc) so this "never happens on windows machines" horse-**** you're spouting is not true.My go to OS is Debian but that doesn't stop me from being objective and honest about other OSs. Don't spread your ignorance.



Keep ignoring fact then
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