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Posted 4th Sep 2020

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SPF 20 + Anti-Ageing Protective Moisturiser
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ManCave Protective Moisturiser uses UVA Filters to help protect from UV rays whilst locking in hydration and helping to counteract signs of premature ageing with Shea Butter and Radicare.

Having SPF 20 this product is made for the great outdoors with Rosehip oil & Vitamin E both protecting your skin from environmental pollution and providing moisturising and smoothing properties. As you may well know the adventure always starts in the bathroom so prepare your skin for whatever epic crusade you find yourself on.

Protect, Counteract and Hydrate with Rosehip Oil , Jojoba and White Tea.
Shea Butter and Radicare help to counteract the signs of premature ageing
SPF 20 and Anti-Aging properties.
Naturally Derived Ingredients 🌿
Formulated & Developed in the UK 🇬🇧
Recyclable Packaging 📦
Original Formulations ✅
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20 Comments
Just bought this, and it’s not greasy or sticky. Good stuff, nice price, so I thought I would share.
£3.83 with S&S 🔥
Not a fan the texture is similar to sun cream but the sp20 is pretty pointless and after an hour will be gone so better a moisturizer without spf and a better texture and tgen apply sunscreen if needed... like the product but not my favourite. Cheap for 4.50 though so heat added.
comedychris04/09/2020 22:13

Not a fan the texture is similar to sun cream but the sp20 is pretty …Not a fan the texture is similar to sun cream but the sp20 is pretty pointless and after an hour will be gone so better a moisturizer without spf and a better texture and tgen apply sunscreen if needed... like the product but not my favourite. Cheap for 4.50 though so heat added.


It's about the wrinkles, spf moisturiser during the summer, moisturiser without spf in the winter, sunblock whenever you're in the sun...
zcaprd704/09/2020 22:19

It's about the wrinkles, spf moisturiser during the summer, moisturiser …It's about the wrinkles, spf moisturiser during the summer, moisturiser without spf in the winter, sunblock whenever you're in the sun...


But surely non spf moisturizer in summer or winter and then spf on top would be the same?

I've read and watched videos people saying spf in moisturizer is 20 or 15 and doesn't protect much radiation not does it last long sl a bit pointless.

Moisturizer for all its benefits along with other serums etc if you want then seperate good quality spf on top regardless of weather or season is the go too? What I've heard and researched anyway...
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Edited by: "tommygurns" 4th Sep
comedychris04/09/2020 22:24

But surely non spf moisturizer in summer or winter and then spf on top …But surely non spf moisturizer in summer or winter and then spf on top would be the same?I've read and watched videos people saying spf in moisturizer is 20 or 15 and doesn't protect much radiation not does it last long sl a bit pointless.Moisturizer for all its benefits along with other serums etc if you want then seperate good quality spf on top regardless of weather or season is the go too? What I've heard and researched anyway...


The light uva and spf protection in moisturisers is not designed to stop you burning, it is to prevent aging... If you're in the sun, always use a proper sun block, if you're just trundling around town, the spf in the moisturiser will stop you from getting so many wrinkles.

Don't bother in the winter in England, as you'll be lower in vitamin D...
Edited by: "zcaprd7" 4th Sep
zcaprd704/09/2020 22:33

The light uva and spf protection in moisturisers is not designed to stop …The light uva and spf protection in moisturisers is not designed to stop you burning, it is to prevent aging... If you're in the sun, always use a proper sun block, if you're just trundling around town, the spf in the moisturiser will stop you from getting so many wrinkles.Don't bother in the winter in England, as you'll be lower in vitamin D...


Ok i see so if i was to wear sunscreen everytime I leave the house, 'I do' is spf in moisturizer as well just unnecessary?

I use bulldog moisturizer then boots 5 star zoltan spf 50 does that cover all bases? Thanks for the info appreciate it.
comedychris04/09/2020 22:35

Ok i see so if i was to wear sunscreen everytime I leave the house, 'I do' …Ok i see so if i was to wear sunscreen everytime I leave the house, 'I do' is spf in moisturizer as well just unnecessary?I use bulldog moisturizer then boots 5 star zoltan spf 50 does that cover all bases? Thanks for the info appreciate it.


Yes, but sometimes you might forget your proper sunblock, and might be in the sun at lunchtime or whatever, and it's a bit impractical to start slapping on a thick factor 50 cream down the pub for a cheeky pint (in the good old days)...

The other issue is you can't burn behind glass, driving in a car for instance, however it doesn't stop the UVA, so you still age.... They did studies on truck drivers, and their right half of their faces are more wrinkly than the left!

And again, factor 50 everyday will restrict your vitamin D intake. But a bit of spf15 won't block all the Sun out.
Edited by: "zcaprd7" 4th Sep
zcaprd704/09/2020 22:41

Yes, but sometimes you might forget your proper sunblock, and might be in …Yes, but sometimes you might forget your proper sunblock, and might be in the sun at lunchtime or whatever, and it's a bit impractical to start slapping on a thick factor 50 cream down the pub for a cheeky pint (in the good old days)...The other issue is you can't burn behind glass, driving in a car for instance, however it doesn't stop the UVA, so you still age.... They did studies on truck drivers, and their right half of their faces are more wrinkly than the left!And again, factor 50 everyday will restrict your vitamin D intake. But a bit of spf15 won't block all the Sun out.


Thats really interesting, good insight into real spf vs built in moisturizer and what each should be used for and where... really appreciate the help mate... dont learn this sort of stuff in school or anything do ye... mid 20s and I dont truly understand the spf ratings and sun damage vs radiation vs burning etc need a degree in skincare to use sunscreen
comedychris04/09/2020 22:44

Thats really interesting, good insight into real spf vs built in …Thats really interesting, good insight into real spf vs built in moisturizer and what each should be used for and where... really appreciate the help mate... dont learn this sort of stuff in school or anything do ye... mid 20s and I dont truly understand the spf ratings and sun damage vs radiation vs burning etc need a degree in skincare to use sunscreen


The curse of having fair skin... The stuff you get is much better these day, but years of abuse from my mates when I looked like a casper the ghost on the beach in Spain, after slathering on a load of factor 50 (and that still wouldn't allow me hang out in the sun all day) it gets stuck in your eyebrows and beard, generally a pain.
comedychris04/09/2020 22:24

But surely non spf moisturizer in summer or winter and then spf on top …But surely non spf moisturizer in summer or winter and then spf on top would be the same?I've read and watched videos people saying spf in moisturizer is 20 or 15 and doesn't protect much radiation not does it last long sl a bit pointless.Moisturizer for all its benefits along with other serums etc if you want then seperate good quality spf on top regardless of weather or season is the go too? What I've heard and researched anyway...


Be careful, as chemical uv absorbers can break down and interfere with physical uv protection.

The ManCave original moisturiser for example contains octocrylene - which is also in this.

It's a common UV absorber.

I don't believe it plays nice with zinc oxide.

For sunscreen you want a proper non nano zinc oxide sunscreen for maximum safety and effectiveness.

Also personally I have combination skin and don't moisturise daily.

I really wouldn't want to moisturise and then use a sun screen.

A good sun screen is basically a very natural moisturiser with zinc oxide in, such as this:
amazon.co.uk/Thi…OK/

Although to be fair that goes on fairly dry.

This one however is quite moisturising:
amazon.co.uk/Ori…XW/

Also arguably one should use SPF in winter. So this stuff is suitable for then. There's less atmospheric UV protection in winter I believe.

If anything, use this stuff in the winter and a full sun screen in the summer.

I tend to put this stuff on when I'm not getting lots of sun.

And use one of the others when I'm getting a lot of sun.

Makes my skin a bit shiny though I think. Also a bit of work rubbing it into stubble so it doesn't look white. It does go on like paint initially.
Edited by: "Shinoke" 4th Sep
Shinoke04/09/2020 23:04

Be careful, as chemical uv absorbers can break down and interfere with …Be careful, as chemical uv absorbers can break down and interfere with physical uv protection.The ManCave original moisturiser for example contains octocrylene - which is also in this.It's a common UV absorber.I don't believe it plays nice with zinc oxide.For sunscreen you want a proper non nano zinc oxide sunscreen for maximum safety and effectiveness.Also personally I have combination skin and don't moisturise daily.I really wouldn't want to moisturise and then use a sun screen.A good sun screen is basically a very natural moisturiser with zinc oxide in, such as this:https://www.amazon.co.uk/ThinkSport-Sunscreen-SPF-89ml-3oz/dp/B007SNM6OK/Although to be fair that goes on fairly dry.This one however is quite moisturising:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Sprout-Tahitian-Non-Greasy-Sunscreen/dp/B00E5SJJXW/Also arguably one should use SPF in winter. So this stuff is suitable for then. There's less atmospheric UV protection in winter I believe.If anything, use this stuff in the winter and a full sun screen in the summer.I tend to put this stuff on when I'm not getting lots of sun.And use one of the others when I'm getting a lot of sun.Makes my skin a bit shiny though I think. Also a bit of work rubbing it into stubble so it doesn't look white. It does go on like paint initially.


Has anyone found a high spf moisturiser that doesn't go on like white emulsion?
zcaprd704/09/2020 22:33

The light uva and spf protection in moisturisers is not designed to stop …The light uva and spf protection in moisturisers is not designed to stop you burning, it is to prevent aging... If you're in the sun, always use a proper sun block, if you're just trundling around town, the spf in the moisturiser will stop you from getting so many wrinkles.Don't bother in the winter in England, as you'll be lower in vitamin D...


You won't get enough vitamin D in winter anyway.

So supplement with vitamin D.

In fact supplement with vitamin D all year round unless you work outdoors all day.

With modern lifestyles we simply don't enough sun exposure to make enough vitamin D.

Also you can't make vitamin D in the winter anyway - there isn't adequate radiation (from October to around March I believe)
That doesn't mean there isn't adequate radiation for skin ageing though.
Shinoke04/09/2020 23:14

You won't get enough vitamin D in winter anyway.So supplement with vitamin …You won't get enough vitamin D in winter anyway.So supplement with vitamin D.In fact supplement with vitamin D all year round unless you work outdoors all day.With modern lifestyles we simply don't enough sun exposure to make enough vitamin D.Also you can't make vitamin D in the winter anyway - there isn't adequate radiation (from October to around March I believe)That doesn't mean there isn't adequate radiation for skin ageing though.


Oh, yes, I use a supplement, but just don't think an expensive SPF moisturiser is necessary in the winter (I just use a light, non greasy, cheap one)...
zcaprd704/09/2020 23:14

Has anyone found a high spf moisturiser that doesn't go on like white …Has anyone found a high spf moisturiser that doesn't go on like white emulsion?


You can try this:
amazon.co.uk/Not…4N/

It's got good ingredients.

It's a non mineral sunscreen, but uses a new UV absorber that seems more safe and effective than what's commonly used.

The ones in this ManCave SPF moisturiser are okay.

Bemotrizinol, (Marketing name: Tinsorb S or Escalol S) is an organic compound that is added to sunscreens as a broad-spectrum UV absorber, absorbing UVB as well as UVA rays. It is the most effective UV absorber available measured by SPF (sun protection factor). Unlike some other organic sunscreen additives, it shows no estrogenic effects.

ewg.org/ski…_S/

Not tried it yet myself.

Mineral sunscreens such as the ThinkSport one I linked do go on like white emulsion.

The Original Sprout one far less so though, but it has half the zinc oxide.
Edited by: "Shinoke" 4th Sep
Hmm, interesting discussion, I have gone for some of the man cave stuff above, but mainly because I tried their shower gel the other day, as was surprised nice and how thick it was... All the other ones are so watery these days.
Edited by: "zcaprd7" 4th Sep
zcaprd704/09/2020 23:21

Hmm, interesting discussion, I have gone for some of the man cave stuff …Hmm, interesting discussion, I have gone for some of the man cave stuff above, but mainly because I tried their shower gel the other day, as was surprised nice and how thick it was... All the other ones are so watery these days.


Their Lemon & Oak shower gel is great.

Be aware that some of the ingredients in this moisturiser aren't ideal.

I always use:
cosdna.com/eng…php

Enter the ingredients:
Aqua (Water), Octocrylene, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Ethylhexyl Stearate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Shea Butter Ethyl Esters, Thermus Thermophillus Ferment, Ceteareth-20, Glycerin, Zea Mays (Corn) Starch, Phenoxyethanol, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Sodium Polyacrylate, Parfum (Fragrance), Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Stearoyl Glutamate, Benzoic Acid, Carbomer, Rosa Canina Fruit Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Sodium Hydroxide, Tocopheryl Acetate, Dehydroacetic Acid, Linalool, Bulnesia Sarmientoi Wood Oil, Benzyl Salicylate, Hexyl Cinnamal, Abies Sibirica Oil, Artemisia Herba-Alba Oil, Cedrus Atlantica Bark Oil, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime Oil), Eucalyptus Globulus Leaf Oil, Lavandula Hybrida Oil, Origanum Majorana Herb Oil, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Oil, Sodium Hyaluronate, Coumarin, Limonene, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Alpha-Isomethyl Ionone, BHT, Sodium Benzoate, Abies Balsamea (Balsam Canada) Extract, Juniperus Communis Fruit Oil, Melissa Officinalis Leaf Extract, Piper Nigrum (Pepper) Fruit Oil, Thymus Vulgaris (Thyme) Flower Leaf Oil, Disodium Rutinyl Disulfate, Hordeum Distichon (Barley) Extract, Citric Acid

And hit the Ingredient Analysis button.

It gives the EWG Skindeep safety rating for ingredients.

Although it can give very high ratings to certain fragrances etc. which I personally don't worry about.

However, it contains:

Octocrylene
cosdna.com/eng…tml

"Perhaps the best approach to stabilizing avobenzone is to incorporate octocrylene (EU) in the formulation to help prevent the formation of the triplet state. Octocrylene is also a globally approved sunscreen (although some evidence suggests octocrylene may itself be a photo-sensitizer, causing indirect DNA damage). The key L’Oreal patents (in the United States) for stabilization of avobenzone using octocrylene expired in late 2014 and are now freely available."

Source: knowledge.ulprospector.com/223…er/

Octinoxate (listed as Ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate)
cosdna.com/eng…tml

This can be an endocrine disruptor

Extensive research has shown that a number of UV filters frequently used in the formulation of commercial sunscreens, such as 4 MBC, octyl methoxycinnamate, oxybenzone (benzophenone-3), octyl-dimethyl-PABA and octinoxate, possess endocrine activity. Endocrine disruptors are chemicals that interfere with endogenous hormone action and/or production. These have been implicated in the development of a number of diseases in both males and females, including cancer of the mammary glands and reproductive organs, as well as the abnormal development of the male reproductive system. In one study, the application of three active ingredients commonly found in sunscreens (oxybenzone, 4-MBC and octinoxate) for one week led to a drop in testosterone and estradiol levels in men. More worrying is that these chemicals have been found in breast milk at concentrations known to have oestrogenic effects.

Regarding safety, there are also some concerns around Octinoxate. In vitro (made in the lab not on real people) and animal studies have shown that it may produce hormonal (estrogen-like) effects. Do not panic, the studies were not conducted under real life conditions on real human people, so it is probably over-cautious to avoid Octinoxate altogether. However, if you are pregnant or a small child (under 2 yrs. old), choose a physical (zinc oxide/titanium dioxide) or new-generation Tinosorb based sunscreen, just to be on the super-safe side.

Overall, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate is an old-school chemical sunscreen agent. There are plenty of better options for sun protection today, but it is considered "safe as used" (and sunscreens are pretty well regulated) and it is available worldwide (can be used up to 10% in the EU and up to 7.5% in the US).
incidecoder.com/ing…ate


By the way, before this scares you off this ManCave product - the Boots sunscreen and pretty much every big brand / own brand sunscreen you'll find in a supermarket or normal shop will be full of far worse chemicals.

For the best safety use a pure zinc oxide suncreen such as the ones I linked to.

Or that Omuci’s Nothing To Hide - which uses Bemotrizinol (Tinsorb S):
en.wikipedia.org/wik…nol

Shame it doesn't use Tris-Biphenyl Triazine (Tinosorb A2B) as well though

Those are the most effective and look to be the safest chemical sunscreens. Still not commonly used. Next generation stuff.

Some ingredients commonly found in sunscreens to avoid:

ewg.org/ski…TE/ (6) - Avoid if can
Octinoxate - This common sunscreen ingredient is shown to have hormone-mimicking effects on laboratory animals. The chemical is found in humans, including mothers' milk samples.

ewg.org/ski…NE/ (8) - Avoid
Oxybenzone is a sunscreen ingredient associated with photoallergic reactions. This chemical absorbs through the skin in significant amounts. It contaminates the bodies of 97% of Americans according to research by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

ewg.org/ski…TE/ (4)
Homosalate is a common sunscreen ingredient. Research indicates it is a weak hormone disruptor, and sunlight breaks down the chemical into harmful byproducts.

Ironically, many common and classic sunscreen ingredients break down in sun exposure and cause free radical damage and so wrinkles and skin damage! They can also be photosensitizers!

Brilliant idea, a chemical sunscreen that when exposed to the sun makes your skin sensitive to the sun and damages it!
Edited by: "Shinoke" 4th Sep
Over this summer if I was going out for a walk for couple of hours I found this to be highly effective and I didnt burn or go red at all. I found it was effective even several hours later but you would never use it to lie in the sun on the beach all day. I spend 12 weeks on the beach usually and find the calypso once a day factor 20 to be superb and much cheaper than the P20 lotion.
People don't need these, let alone men.
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