MARINA 160 AQUARIUM AND CABINET/STAND £184.95 @ Seapets
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MARINA 160 AQUARIUM AND CABINET/STAND £184.95 @ Seapets

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Found 14th Sep 2013
Bargain for 160 litres of aquarium and stand plus all accessories needed to make this a tropical aquarium, heater, filters, lights and thermometer plus a few other bits. bargain @£185 deliverd to your door....

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2.5% Quidco as well - great find

Many a fish would give their right pelvic fin for a tank like that.

Good price but why do the cabinets on these still look like 80's MFI rubbish. I cant find anything stylish & modern.

good basic startup kit, but an external filter would probably be needed with this volume, depending on the stocking that is.

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tragictramp

good basic startup kit, but an external filter would probably be needed … good basic startup kit, but an external filter would probably be needed with this volume, depending on the stocking that is.



This comes with 2 x s20 marina filters, keep then new in box and sell them for £25 each and put the £50 towards one of these allpondsolutions.co.uk/aqu…tml that is what I did...

I'm very disappointed in mine, my beagle dog Steven is not at all happy in it. He stares out at me through the glass looking very sad.

techpops

I'm very disappointed in mine, my beagle dog Steven is not at all happy … I'm very disappointed in mine, my beagle dog Steven is not at all happy in it. He stares out at me through the glass looking very sad.



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Is this any good please, fish experts?

Also - can I use this for marine instead of tropical? (Yes I intend to learn about and take care of them before stocking).

Thanks :-)

Yes you can use for marine, just get an external canister filter like a flu val, some decent t5 lighting plus live rock ect and good to go.

Walkies1

Yes you can use for marine, just get an external canister filter like a … Yes you can use for marine, just get an external canister filter like a flu val, some decent t5 lighting plus live rock ect and good to go.



And a couple of spoons of salt, surely?
Edited by: "Rastafari" 14th Sep 2013

Walkies1

Yes you can use for marine, just get an external canister filter like a … Yes you can use for marine, just get an external canister filter like a flu val, some decent t5 lighting plus live rock ect and good to go.



For marines if you were to go for live rock then water circulation pumps and protein skimmer are more important than a filter. A filter should only really be used for nutrient removal media (chemical not biological filtration) and filter floss for particle removal (mechanical filtration). With a bulb change the T8 will be fine for fish only and perhaps some soft corals.

DemonIT

Is this any good please, fish experts?Also - can I use this for marine … Is this any good please, fish experts?Also - can I use this for marine instead of tropical? (Yes I intend to learn about and take care of them before stocking).Thanks :-)



For marines you will need live rock for filtration,no external filters for marine unless you fill it with LR,otherwise they are nitrate factory and cause you more problems in the future than they are worth,you can use for filter floss,but remove and replace often,you will also need as stated T5 lighting or halide depending on what you want to keep,but if you're new to the hobby then I would not expect you to jump straight in with hard corals!you can choose to skim the tank or not again depanding on what you keep,,I have skimmed for 10 year,but in the last 2 years have gone skimmer-less,I decided to do 20% water changes per week instead,and my tank is sumped,and have a nice refugium running,and is running fine,I keep LPS corals and fish a couple of hard corals,150w halide above it.but my tank is only a 2ft cube,,you will also need good circulation in the tank,I use tunze nano-streams for example.,there is more but like I said it all depands on what you want to keep

Good Reverse osmosis system in your house for quality water,, and get over to a forum like ultimatereef.net/ for more info,,its easy to try and cut corners in marines but believe me its not worth it.if you need any help don't hesitate to ask

I prefer my fish with chips.

I have this one's little brother, and its fine, but yeah I threw away the filter and replaced it with a fluval.
Then replaced the fluval with an eheim, as the fluval was also rubbish.
eheim filters are great.

Bear in mind that every external filter is a possible point of leaking your entire contents out (same goes for air pumps if a siphon happens). Not against external pumps, just saying, you can happily use an internal pump with freshwater of this size at much less risk. I don't rate these HOB (hang on back) filters at all though. Expensive to run and higher risk of failure with no real benefit. Dont bother with the fancy chemicals in a filter either - you just need foam, carbon if you must but really...wasting money...the foam is to dramatically increase surface area for the bacteria to grow on, and this increases efficiency of the cycling of ammonia to nitrite to nitrate i.e. the nitrogen cycle. Other than agitating the water surface and adding oxygen, that's all a filter needs to do.

And lets not go into the whole myths surrounding the nitrogen cycle and "leaving the tank with just water for a month". Invest in a liquid testing kit and cycle the right way - scientifically. I've never lost a fish using science. Actually other than duff fish from the LFS that died in the bag practically, I've never lost a fish. Science is your friend.

Change the water whenever it needs it (test it - use science - water changes are to remove nitrATE build up. but you will need frequent ones until the tank balances because of spikes in ammonia, then nitrite, once its balanced you'll not see those spikes again unless something bad happens). Use a siphon vacuum pump so you get all the poops from the gravel/sand/floor.

Oh and always treat the tap water with the dechlorinator stuff. Pretty much all tap water has chlorine in it, and it doesnt always evaporate with time (depends on the type of chlorine or something). The dechlorinator works within seconds, I tested it once, it's lightning fast. Add water at the same temp or as close as you can get. It's OK to mix with the hot water tap before adding to get the temp right IF its free from heavy metals, i.e. you have a combi boiler or kettle and not a storage tank! Fish and heavy metals dont mix.

They do say to set the temperature to "the hottest summer temperature in your house" to avoid summer fluctuations, but frankly, I never found that fish are that bothered - in the wild temperatures will fluctuate even from day to night, and cold rain will hit the water, and so on. Don't be daft and add ice cold water, and usual tank temps are in the sort of 24C range (I keep them colder at about 22, I'm mean, it costs less!)

That's all there is to keeping freshwater fish, other than food
Marine...whole different story...


HTH

As for external filters leaking and emptying the tank, it would be rare if it happened but if you want put the intake pipe no lower than halfway in the tank, this way the fish will at least survive as only half the tank can empty. As for the air pump again unlikley to empty a tank but there is a risk of water reaching the electric, to aviod this use a check valve and a drip loop.

External filters all the way for me and dont keep any tropical fish below 24 degrees, with some prefering higher temps. Buy a good book if you are new to tropical fish keeping.

rhinopaul

Good price but why do the cabinets on these still look like 80's MFI … Good price but why do the cabinets on these still look like 80's MFI rubbish. I cant find anything stylish & modern.



If you have fairly deep pockets then there's a company called Seashell that do solid oak aquariums. Cost ranges from about £500-1200.

3spartan

Many a fish would give their right pelvic fin for a tank like that.



Except Orca's. And Great Whites as well I suppose! lol

quezi

If you have fairly deep pockets then there's a company called Seashell … If you have fairly deep pockets then there's a company called Seashell that do solid oak aquariums. Cost ranges from about £500-1200.



But that would look like a coffin and you wouldn't be able to see the fish ?

Decent deal for sure but it looks pretty cheap/taccy compared to the Roma 200 or better: seapets.co.uk/pro…tml

Don't really understand why people would require external filtration, how messy, cluttery and noisy that can be. I'd much rather use good quality internal filters. Especially if they were to stock their tanks correctly and not overstock ...otherwise yeah go for external.
Edited by: "djdynamite123" 15th Sep 2013

moosery2

I have this one's little brother, and its fine, but yeah I threw away the … I have this one's little brother, and its fine, but yeah I threw away the filter and replaced it with a fluval.Then replaced the fluval with an eheim, as the fluval was also rubbish.eheim filters are great. Bear in mind that every external filter is a possible point of leaking your entire contents out (same goes for air pumps if a siphon happens). Not against external pumps, just saying, you can happily use an internal pump with freshwater of this size at much less risk. I don't rate these HOB (hang on back) filters at all though. Expensive to run and higher risk of failure with no real benefit. Dont bother with the fancy chemicals in a filter either - you just need foam, carbon if you must but really...wasting money...the foam is to dramatically increase surface area for the bacteria to grow on, and this increases efficiency of the cycling of ammonia to nitrite to nitrate i.e. the nitrogen cycle. Other than agitating the water surface and adding oxygen, that's all a filter needs to do. And lets not go into the whole myths surrounding the nitrogen cycle and "leaving the tank with just water for a month". Invest in a liquid testing kit and cycle the right way - scientifically. I've never lost a fish using science. Actually other than duff fish from the LFS that died in the bag practically, I've never lost a fish. Science is your friend. Change the water whenever it needs it (test it - use science - water changes are to remove nitrATE build up. but you will need frequent ones until the tank balances because of spikes in ammonia, then nitrite, once its balanced you'll not see those spikes again unless something bad happens). Use a siphon vacuum pump so you get all the poops from the gravel/sand/floor.Oh and always treat the tap water with the dechlorinator stuff. Pretty much all tap water has chlorine in it, and it doesnt always evaporate with time (depends on the type of chlorine or something). The dechlorinator works within seconds, I tested it once, it's lightning fast. Add water at the same temp or as close as you can get. It's OK to mix with the hot water tap before adding to get the temp right IF its free from heavy metals, i.e. you have a combi boiler or kettle and not a storage tank! Fish and heavy metals dont mix. They do say to set the temperature to "the hottest summer temperature in your house" to avoid summer fluctuations, but frankly, I never found that fish are that bothered - in the wild temperatures will fluctuate even from day to night, and cold rain will hit the water, and so on. Don't be daft and add ice cold water, and usual tank temps are in the sort of 24C range (I keep them colder at about 22, I'm mean, it costs less!) That's all there is to keeping freshwater fish, other than food :)Marine...whole different story...HTH



what internal filter would you recommend then?

moosery2

Fish and heavy metals dont mix. HTH



Yes, I heard it makes them sink.

...plus they're more into emo. Just look at them skulking about looking guilty all the time.

See? See ?

Decent enough if you want a new set up, but ,,,, In my opinion its best to go second hand. Ive had a few tanks over the years and decided I wanted a decent size corner tank. Had a look on ebay and there's lots of them. The thing with tanks is that they are always collect only so this will always depress the price and a lot of them will be fairly new because the seller couldnt follow the hobby through. Cost me £80 for a juwel trigon 190 about 18 months ago which was a steal. Gumtree is a good source also.

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Will it stand up to this?

Great price

Original Poster

Superfish aqua flow 200, is a great internal filter and can be purchased for less than £15 new, easy to maintain and low power consumption....

I'd recommend visiting a few aquarium/fish stockists, to see tanks live, and to decide what size you really need. It's also a bit like puppies as presents, as often people get tired of them, so it may be better to start smaller and then work up, when you've got skills/experience and know you're going to stick with it.

Many people have tanks they don't use any more, though it's important to get filters etc. As others point out, incorrect water balance, with nitrates/nitrites and heavy metals etc can be killers. Other advice is to go slowly, and not add too many fish at any one time, as they'll disrupt the water balance, and it will take some time for the bacteria etc to increase to process the waste effectively. Territorial fish can be some trouble too, so work out the best fish to have, so that there's not too much conflict. Have fun!

Savvy1

what internal filter would you recommend then?




eheim.com/en_…ers

Excellent price for a new 160L tank. Worth going for an external filter tbh. Extra media capacity, easier Maintainence, and extra filtration is NEVER a bad thing,

Can you choose the cabinet colour?

You would be better looking at the Juwel range of tanks. There are a few models that are on offer this month where you get the cabinet for free. I have been selling exotic fish for over 35 years and highly recommend Juwel tanks as they have good filter systems and lighting too.

Personally, if you havent kept fish before, I would suggest starting off with tropicals and then progressing onto marines after a couple of years. Marines are far more difficult to keep and require a lot more attention.

You would be better looking at the Juwel range of tanks. There are a few models that are on offer this month where you get the cabinet for free. I have been selling exotic fish for over 35 years and highly recommend Juwel tanks as they have good filter systems and lighting too.

Personally, if you havent kept fish before, I would suggest starting off with tropicals and then progressing onto marines after a couple of years. Marines are far more difficult to keep and require a lot more attention.

moosery2

I have this one's little brother, and its fine, but yeah I threw away the … I have this one's little brother, and its fine, but yeah I threw away the filter and replaced it with a fluval.Then replaced the fluval with an eheim, as the fluval was also rubbish.eheim filters are great. Bear in mind that every external filter is a possible point of leaking your entire contents out (same goes for air pumps if a siphon happens). Not against external pumps, just saying, you can happily use an internal pump with freshwater of this size at much less risk. I don't rate these HOB (hang on back) filters at all though. Expensive to run and higher risk of failure with no real benefit. Dont bother with the fancy chemicals in a filter either - you just need foam, carbon if you must but really...wasting money...the foam is to dramatically increase surface area for the bacteria to grow on, and this increases efficiency of the cycling of ammonia to nitrite to nitrate i.e. the nitrogen cycle. Other than agitating the water surface and adding oxygen, that's all a filter needs to do. And lets not go into the whole myths surrounding the nitrogen cycle and "leaving the tank with just water for a month". Invest in a liquid testing kit and cycle the right way - scientifically. I've never lost a fish using science. Actually other than duff fish from the LFS that died in the bag practically, I've never lost a fish. Science is your friend. Change the water whenever it needs it (test it - use science - water changes are to remove nitrATE build up. but you will need frequent ones until the tank balances because of spikes in ammonia, then nitrite, once its balanced you'll not see those spikes again unless something bad happens). Use a siphon vacuum pump so you get all the poops from the gravel/sand/floor.Oh and always treat the tap water with the dechlorinator stuff. Pretty much all tap water has chlorine in it, and it doesnt always evaporate with time (depends on the type of chlorine or something). The dechlorinator works within seconds, I tested it once, it's lightning fast. Add water at the same temp or as close as you can get. It's OK to mix with the hot water tap before adding to get the temp right IF its free from heavy metals, i.e. you have a combi boiler or kettle and not a storage tank! Fish and heavy metals dont mix. They do say to set the temperature to "the hottest summer temperature in your house" to avoid summer fluctuations, but frankly, I never found that fish are that bothered - in the wild temperatures will fluctuate even from day to night, and cold rain will hit the water, and so on. Don't be daft and add ice cold water, and usual tank temps are in the sort of 24C range (I keep them colder at about 22, I'm mean, it costs less!) That's all there is to keeping freshwater fish, other than food :)Marine...whole different story...HTH



Informative post - thanks.
After about 2 years and losing more than 40+ fish, I'm afraid that I gave up.
I've no idea what caused them all to peg out but determined to have another go.

Bought mine from Seapets - well packaged etc when it was delivered. Arrived on a pallet!
Also helpful advice on the phone,

I recommend you take up scuba diving and see fish where they should be

Bought my fishtank from loot, (slightly bigger than this one)
had a fluval 4 (internal which works great) for long time

then went for a external filter tetra ex1200 seems to be keeping the water clean, but also the tank looks bigger because i've removed the internal filter

( i have an understocked tank (few fish)

now trying to set up an aquascape
google.co.uk/search?q=aquascape&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ZN01UrL-JKzm4wTfwoD4BA&biw=942&bih=907&sei=Zt01UpnvLOeI4gTYpYHoAw

I am using cat litter as the substrate (the pink one) looks really nice lot cheaper than any aquarium gravel

plastic plants never look good,All the plants bought off ebay dont buy any sets or packs of plants, there is nothing wrong with them, its just you end up with lots of big plants and no real shape to your tank. just do a little research and find the ones you want and where you will put them, the same people design gardens

This is fab, nothing like being able to catch your own fish for dinner.

alecb

Informative post - thanks.After about 2 years and losing more than 40+ … Informative post - thanks.After about 2 years and losing more than 40+ fish, I'm afraid that I gave up.I've no idea what caused them all to peg out but determined to have another go.Bought mine from Seapets - well packaged etc when it was delivered. Arrived on a pallet!Also helpful advice on the phone,



One can only guess but the rule of thumb is generally:

- if they die within hours of getting home then likely to be stress/something the fish store did (some fish even have hormones added to the water to make them brighter...which can kill them later...you wouldnt believe some of the tricks). Also, some fish stores will give you rubbish info, so google is your friend. Examples over the years include:
Q: how big will this crab grow? A: not much bigger than it is -> 5 years later said crab is about 40cm larger than the 3cm that it was.
Q: what kind of water does this fish need? A: freshwater -> It wasn't. "Brackish" is not fresh. It died that night.

- Otherwise look for symptoms. All fish doing the same thing (eg gasping at the top) is generally a sign you might want to change the water every day for a few days (theres various reasons for this but most are fixed with water changes). Also - test the water, you'll probably find the answer that way.

- fish off balance or acting oddly can be diseased or infected and this can pass to other fish, although disease is less common than you think, for example I've never seen any disease in my tanks thankfully in my whole time keeping fish. But - learn how to look for diseases in fish shops, you'd be surprised how many diseased fish are for sale in pet shops...overcrowding I think causes this. Mouth is the first place to start looking, there shouldn't be any blobs or fluff on or around the mouth. If one fish in a tank is diseased DONT buy any other fish from that tank, and check if the store has a central water pumping system as sometimes this could pass disease to ANY fish in the store. I have been known to leg it from such stores without buying a fish.

I've always found fish extremely easy to keep tbh, even the so called "tricky" ones. I think the key is not overstocking the tank. I'd probably put something like 4 angel fish, 10 small (tetra size) and 2-4 bottom feeders like cory catfish in the tank on offer. And some shrimps, so long as the angels are added when small then they wont eat them. And a nerite snail.

If you lost 40+ in a row then I would guess something is very wrong, something like perhaps you are cleaning things in the tank with bleach which is a sure fire fish killer, or you're not dechlorinating, or overstocking, or the temp is wrong, or even your significant other isn't a fan of fish and is sabotaging them (lol - could happen!). Try easier fish, angelfish are a lot hardier than you might believe, gourami are pretty easy too. Goldfish are actually a real pain because they cr*p a lot and poison themselves.

Oh - also - super important - add the fish in slowly. Buy 2, leave them in for a week or at least a few days, buy another 2, and so on. The tank needs to adjust its bacteria levels to digest the fish poop, so the slower you add the fish, the less you spike the ammonia levels.

OK time to stop waffling on and get back to work


Edited by: "moosery2" 16th Sep 2013

moosery2

One can only guess but the rule of thumb is generally:- if they die … One can only guess but the rule of thumb is generally:- if they die within hours of getting home then likely to be stress/something the fish store did (some fish even have hormones added to the water to make them brighter...which can kill them later...you wouldnt believe some of the tricks). Also, some fish stores will give you rubbish info, so google is your friend. Examples over the years include: Q: how big will this crab grow? A: not much bigger than it is -> 5 years later said crab is about 40cm larger than the 3cm that it was.Q: what kind of water does this fish need? A: freshwater -> It wasn't. "Brackish" is not fresh. It died that night. - Otherwise look for symptoms. All fish doing the same thing (eg gasping at the top) is generally a sign you might want to change the water every day for a few days (theres various reasons for this but most are fixed with water changes). Also - test the water, you'll probably find the answer that way. - fish off balance or acting oddly can be diseased or infected and this can pass to other fish, although disease is less common than you think, for example I've never seen any disease in my tanks thankfully in my whole time keeping fish. But - learn how to look for diseases in fish shops, you'd be surprised how many diseased fish are for sale in pet shops...overcrowding I think causes this. Mouth is the first place to start looking, there shouldn't be any blobs or fluff on or around the mouth. If one fish in a tank is diseased DONT buy any other fish from that tank, and check if the store has a central water pumping system as sometimes this could pass disease to ANY fish in the store. I have been known to leg it from such stores without buying a fish. I've always found fish extremely easy to keep tbh, even the so called "tricky" ones. I think the key is not overstocking the tank. I'd probably put something like 4 angel fish, 10 small (tetra size) and 2-4 bottom feeders like cory catfish in the tank on offer. And some shrimps, so long as the angels are added when small then they wont eat them. And a nerite snail. If you lost 40+ in a row then I would guess something is very wrong, something like perhaps you are cleaning things in the tank with bleach which is a sure fire fish killer, or you're not dechlorinating, or overstocking, or the temp is wrong, or even your significant other isn't a fan of fish and is sabotaging them (lol - could happen!). Try easier fish, angelfish are a lot hardier than you might believe, gourami are pretty easy too. Goldfish are actually a real pain because they cr*p a lot and poison themselves. Oh - also - super important - add the fish in slowly. Buy 2, leave them in for a week or at least a few days, buy another 2, and so on. The tank needs to adjust its bacteria levels to digest the fish poop, so the slower you add the fish, the less you spike the ammonia levels.OK time to stop waffling on and get back to work



Thanks for that. I never had more than about 10 fish in there at any one time. Mostly the size of neon tetras so overcrowding shouldn't have been a problem in a 125l tank. All bought from local Maidenhead Aquatics so reasonably reputable etc.
Initially I added to tap water to change Ph levels but Maidenhead said that this was not necessary so I just added Nutrafin Aqua+ and Nutrafin Cycle. Water was regularly tested incl taking sample to Maidenhead for them to test a couple of times. All test results within acceptable limits.
I was using a Fluval 3 filter and someone has suggested using an external filter so may give that a go next time.
The only problem that I had was copious amounts of green algae - despite changing water (30%) every 2 weeks. I don't know what caused that and if that would have had a detrimental effect on the fish.

POWYSWALES

Why is it getting voted cold? if cheaper elsewhere can you post link … Why is it getting voted cold? if cheaper elsewhere can you post link please. It was people voting cold that made everyone miss the frillo deal which should have been the hottest deal this year, http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/various-office-stationery-from-3p-ex-vat-free-delivery-bizfreedel-frillo-1948979#comments Do people vote cold to try and Hog stock for themselves?



Maybe because the link goes to seapets?
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