Microsoft Lumia 950 XL 5.7-Inch 32 GB SIM Smartphone - White £368.99 Amazon
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Microsoft Lumia 950 XL 5.7-Inch 32 GB SIM Smartphone - White £368.99 Amazon

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Found 4th Jun 2016
With a stunning 5.7" Quad HD display and a powerful octa-core processor, it's the Lumia you've been waiting for. Get the phone that works like your PC and push the limits of what's possible. One Windows experience Apps, games, and music are in one place with the brand new Windows Store and Cortana sends helpful reminders to all your Windows 10 devices. Office apps are easy to use on any screen size and Outlook Mail has the same rich editing tools as Microsoft Word. From Excel to entertainment, Windows 10 keeps your digital life in sync across devices. Superior performance With an octa-core processor and a 5.7" Quad HD display, it's the most powerful phone we've ever built. With USB-C Fast Charging, an extra-large battery, and wireless charging, it's pure power that's easy to charge. Demanding apps, serious games, and the creativity tools you love - get a Lumia 950 XL and discover exciting new ways to do great things. Fantastic photos The moments you want to remember happen so fast. That's why we designed a 20 MP sensor that automatically reduces motion blur for sharper, more detailed photos. And with unique features like triple LED natural flash and Rich Capture auto mode, challenging lighting conditions won't stop you from turning magic moments into precious memories. Windows Continuum Connect your Lumia 950 XL to a Microsoft Display Dock and use it with an external monitor, a keyboard, and a mouse. Office apps and Outlook scale up to create a big screen-optimized work environment that makes you more productive. It's a PC-like experience that's powered by your phone
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Brilliant phone at a great price. Had iPhones and Android and much prefer my 950XL. Just so much undeserved snobbery around Windows Phone 10, it's a really nice OS.
Love mine too.
Hot.
Camera is amazing and OS is getting there - hot
The OS is great but the app situation is poor at best. Even with the universal apps available to developers. They are still dropping support altogether for Windows and not remaking the universal app version.

Just so much undeserved snobbery around Windows Phone 10, it's a really … Just so much undeserved snobbery around Windows Phone 10, it's a really nice OS.


A lot people laugh at the lack of apps rather than the O/S itself.
I still prefer Android but WP8.1 is fine; never used 10.

The OS is great but the app situation is poor at best. Even with the … The OS is great but the app situation is poor at best. Even with the universal apps available to developers. They are still dropping support altogether for Windows and not remaking the universal app version.


Whilst some apps are disappearing, I DO think the UWP platform is working... You are seeing more and more platforms, when they update their app, it is coming as a UWP app... Gives me hope!

W10 OS is great, still a couple of rough edges, but works great, and as a phone/productivity device, I think Windows phones really work.
If you want a million apps then maybe not for you.
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You also get the free display dock from Microsoft with this purchase worth £79.99:
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Very good deal.
Had a lumia 640 and updated to Windows 10. The apps are bad with Windows that's what puts me off getting another
Along with the 'Continuum' display dock free, you get office 365 for a year, including 1terabyte od storage. Fantastic piece of kit, updated frequently by MSFT with new features. The use of the display dock now means I just connect to monitor and keyboard/mouse, so has now replaced my home PC setup.
This will probably run an android emulator like Andy well enough to use most apps

If you want a million apps then maybe not for you.


I'd be happy with the 8 to 10 that I use on Android.
I think the only one of those available is iPlayer and it's a pale shadow of the Android version as you can't even download videos to local storage.
I think the BBC had an intern develop it in their lunch-break.
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Along with the 'Continuum' display dock free, you get office 365 for a … Along with the 'Continuum' display dock free, you get office 365 for a year, including 1terabyte od storage. Fantastic piece of kit, updated frequently by MSFT with new features. The use of the display dock now means I just connect to monitor and keyboard/mouse, so has now replaced my home PC setup.



REALLY?! You replaced your home PC with Continuum?!

Until Edge gets an ad blocker, it will continue to be a real chore to use. Edge on my 950 was so much slower than Chrome on this cheap Ulefone Paris that I have just bought.

I used to be wholly in to the Windows Phone project. But the UWP app UI just isn't v.nice. & live tiles rarely display much by way of useful information.

I hope it comes good - but Microsoft have been underinvesting in mobile for too long. Retrenching for the year was just the final nail in the coffin for me. It gives app developers almost zero reason to build for mobile.
Have recently moved to Windows phone, am really impressed. As an OS, I prefer it to iOS or Android. It's a shame about the app situation, but most of the key ones I really want (WhatsApp, Instagram, Spotify, Fitbit, Uber, ToDoist, The Guardian, and official apps from my bank and train company) are all there and pretty solid offerings. The only ones I miss from my iPhone are Google Maps, VSCO, BBC News and Ello, but there are decent alternatives for each. With the offline mapping, WP10's maps kinda trumps Google's for functionality... But I prefer Google's UI.

I think the app situation for WP is less dire than people think.. But I've never been an avid app user or mobile gamer, so that's just my experience.
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Have recently moved to Windows phone, am really impressed. As an OS, I … Have recently moved to Windows phone, am really impressed. As an OS, I prefer it to iOS or Android. It's a shame about the app situation, but most of the key ones I really want (WhatsApp, Instagram, Spotify, Fitbit, Uber, ToDoist, The Guardian, and official apps from my bank and train company) are all there and pretty solid offerings. The only ones I miss from my iPhone are Google Maps, VSCO, BBC News and Ello, but there are decent alternatives for each. With the offline mapping, WP10's maps kinda trumps Google's for functionality... But I prefer Google's UI. I think the app situation for WP is less dire than people think.. But I've never been an avid app user or mobile gamer, so that's just my experience.



WP10's maps app trumps Google's? You're kidding, right? POI's are vastly better on Google Maps, navigation routing is better, address accuracy is better, AND it has pedestrian and cycle navigation routing. Add in Google Earth and Street View, and there really is no comparison...

(One trump card for WP10; offline maps. But then again, you can just download Here Maps on Android/iOS and download the exact same offline maps, but with a much nicer UI)
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WP10's maps app trumps Google's? You're kidding, right? POI's are vastly … WP10's maps app trumps Google's? You're kidding, right? POI's are vastly better on Google Maps, navigation routing is better, address accuracy is better, AND it has pedestrian and cycle navigation routing. Add in Google Earth and Street View, and there really is no comparison...(One trump card for WP10; offline maps. But then again, you can just download Here Maps on Android/iOS and download the exact same offline maps, but with a much nicer UI)


So that's you more is it?
The ex smoker of the windows phone world, always telling everyone about how much better off you are, and how very wrong other people are, and they can't possibly like what they like, because they are just wrong. Of course, you are right...!

Don't know why it offends you so much that people don't agree with you.
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So that's you more is it? The ex smoker of the windows phone world, … So that's you more is it? The ex smoker of the windows phone world, always telling everyone about how much better off you are, and how very wrong other people are, and they can't possibly like what they like, because they are just wrong. Of course, you are right...!Don't know why it offends you so much that people don't agree with you.



Doesn't offend me at all. I just remember the days of being blinkered by a blind faith that Microsoft would eventually come good. They haven't so far....and their explicit 'retrenchment' policy is effectively an admission that Windows Mobile will never compete in the consumer space.
Without eyes on the prize, there's no incentive for developers to bring quality stuff to Windows Phone. It'll simply remain a pretty OS with a big capability gap.

WP10's maps app trumps Google's? You're kidding, right? POI's are vastly … WP10's maps app trumps Google's? You're kidding, right? POI's are vastly better on Google Maps, navigation routing is better, address accuracy is better, AND it has pedestrian and cycle navigation routing. Add in Google Earth and Street View, and there really is no comparison...(One trump card for WP10; offline maps. But then again, you can just download Here Maps on Android/iOS and download the exact same offline maps, but with a much nicer UI)


Yikes, seems like I hit a nerve here! Okay I should have qualified it with in my opinion MS Maps kinda trumps Google's. Subjectively, personally, I'd take offline mapping over Streetview and cycling directions any day of the week.. I never used those on GMAPS, hence I forgot about them. You're right though, I guess Google does have functionality MS doesn't. But I personally consider Google's superfluous, and MS' borderline essential...

MS maps does in fact feature both pedestrian routing and aerial coverage though (are you perhaps referring to an old version or something?)

Maybe you're right on POIs, address accuracy and routing, but I've yet to see any issues at all in any of those departments, so that's not my experience. In fact MS offers more routing options at the planning stage, so I actually prefer that.

As for Here maps on iOS, I found the app pretty resource hungry, and its glitching caused me to miss exits several times (to the extent that I opted for a paid mapping app instead). I hope and trust you have more joy with it on Android.

Doesn't offend me at all. I just remember the days of being blinkered by … Doesn't offend me at all. I just remember the days of being blinkered by a blind faith that Microsoft would eventually come good. They haven't so far....and their explicit 'retrenchment' policy is effectively an admission that Windows Mobile will never compete in the consumer space.Without eyes on the prize, there's no incentive for developers to bring quality stuff to Windows Phone. It'll simply remain a pretty OS with a big capability gap.


Not arguing here, just genuinely curious.. When you say MS haven't "come good" with WP, what do you mean? What did you feel you were left waiting for, and what is it missing? Or do you mean they haven't done enough to entice developers, or delivered good enough hardware? Was WP a poor experience for you or is your disappointment more on the 'platform strategy' level?

Again, only my own personal two cents here but they've delivered me a fairly good experience so far. I'm not really missing or left wanting for anything.. As a phone, right now and today, it does everything I ask of it, and does it pretty well. That's clearly not the case your end I'm guessing.. Just wondering why?
At this point I don’t trust MS with their core consumer products (Windows & Office) let alone in the mobile world where their strategy has been a complete mess.
That doesn’t mean I dismiss them totally in mobile as the Lumia phones can be excellent value due partly to the lack of demand pushing prices downwards.
For example I bought my mother a literally as new Lumia 930 for £106 from the Amazon Warehouse deals recently and the hardware is stunning at that price.
She doesn’t need apps but the quality of the camera and the screen plus a decent chipset make it a great phone for her.
But when I looked at using the 930 for myself it stumbled twice in basic ways on the first day and even though I already knew the limitations of the platform this was too much.
Now with MS recently formally conceding mobile as a mass market there is no chance that the app market will improve significantly.
I said ages ago that Universal Apps by themselves don’t mean that the app market will be dramatically improved. Why? Because most mobile apps weren’t developed with the now free MS Studio anyway so moving to that platform even now that it’s free is irrelevant as the cost of training developers and moving to a new toolset is too large when the gains are too small with the WP user base in free fall.
Windows Phone at this point could be killed off at any time so apart from people like my mum for whom that makes no difference I’d keep well away unless you have niche needs.
It’s a real shame as Continuum as one example and the basic interface are really innovative.
Overall it’s just too little too late.
As for Windows and Office, after recent years I’m wondering whether Linux is the way to go!
I feel betrayed by MS and don’t trust them any more.
Wenttoabetterplace - yes, it did replace my home pc, which is just used for lightweight browsing and email. There are extensions for Edge now, and one of them is ad blocker.


I just moved the old laptop off the desk now, and just connect up the phone whenever I need it for basic stuff. Works well for that scenario. But not for everyone, granted.


No app gap issues for me, those that aren't available usually have faster mobile web rendered page anyway, i.e. BBC news.

The sync across all my W10 devices for messages and phone calls, is an example of continued innovation.
cold. awful OS
Shocked to see so much hate for something that so many seem to know so little about. Conjuncture, rumours and shoddy (or simply biased) tech reporting does not make all of the above *opinions* true.

There are completely *FREE* trials of the current Windows 10 Mobile phones (i.e. 650, 950, 950XL, maybe others), including Continuum Dock.... that is, IF available if anyone wishes to actually try and test the platform for themselves - you know, first-hand and all that (i.e. not pre-judge). No commitment to buy whatsoever - contact @LumiaUK.

Trialled this myself and, although too big for me personally (950 is just right), the 950 XL is an excellent device all round - camera is up to the class expected from a 9xx series Lumia, OS incredibly fast, app selection exceeds my needs (sorry, maybe I'm weird - but, I don't need every single bit of ad-supported junk or talking cat sh*te I've had previously and I'm still to understand why I'd ever want/need to snapchat?!).

Heat from me anyway, this is the best price yet for this device.

I don't need every single bit of ad-supported junk or talking cat sh*te … I don't need every single bit of ad-supported junk or talking cat sh*te I've had previously and I'm still to understand why I'd ever want/need to snapchat?


A classic straw man argument. I just wanted a handful of everyday apps and ones that work as well as they do on Android and the WP store failed to offer them.
Just because the WP store works for you don't assume that for those that it doesn't work for means they have a worse taste in apps for you; that's just plain bias.
I really wanted to keep my Lumia 930 as for £106 it offers stellar hardware but the software just isn't there.
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A classic straw man argument. I just wanted a handful of everyday apps … A classic straw man argument. I just wanted a handful of everyday apps and ones that work as well as they do on Android and the WP store failed to offer them.Just because the WP store works for you don't assume that for those that it doesn't work for means they have a worse taste in apps for you; that's just plain bias.I really wanted to keep my Lumia 930 as for £106 it offers stellar hardware but the software just isn't there.



I really wanted to stick with Windows Mobile too. But it just isn't there. BBC iPlayer is vastly better on Android. BBC Radio player is vastly better. Hotspot Shield works flawlessly on Android, Chrome is a VASTLY better browser than Edge. No laggy page rendering....and it instantly opens menus and links. Then there are the things that aren't available on Windows Mobile at all; such as Waze (a huge one for me!), Google Maps, BBC News and Sport, Channel 4 catchup (WITH downloads!!). Having been using Windows for years, it is pretty startling to see just how much better every app is (even Microsoft's own Outlook. On WM, I can't select the default alias when sending emails....on Android, I can!).
I just can't really see the reason for Windows Mobile to exist. The UI is no longer unique, the app store is shoddy, the available devices are average at best (and woefully under specified for the money - especially the 650 and 550). Such a shame, because the Lumia 920 and 1020 looked like the beginnings of a really great platform.
Credit to the last couple of posters, it's interesting to actually read some negative perspectives on WP that are backed up by experience. A lot of times on here, most people actually using WP are pretty positive about it, but it's often dismissed out of hand with very little real reasoning or justification.

I can't say I see eye to eye, but I guess I have different needs and priorities.

It's nice to have an alternative to Android and iOS though imho. My experience of Android has generally been fairly frustrating in terms of performance/lag/crashes and general UX (perhaps my handset choice is to blame, but my last two were the Lumix CM1 and LG G3, so not cheapy phones) and I got fed up of the iPhone limitations with battery life and storage. I know we're heading in the direction of this two horse race (well, we're already there) but I feel it's a shame.
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Credit to the last couple of posters, it's interesting to actually read … Credit to the last couple of posters, it's interesting to actually read some negative perspectives on WP that are backed up by experience. A lot of times on here, most people actually using WP are pretty positive about it, but it's often dismissed out of hand with very little real reasoning or justification. I can't say I see eye to eye, but I guess I have different needs and priorities. It's nice to have an alternative to Android and iOS though imho. My experience of Android has generally been fairly frustrating in terms of performance/lag/crashes and general UX (perhaps my handset choice is to blame, but my last two were the Lumix CM1 and LG G3, so not cheapy phones) and I got fed up of the iPhone limitations with battery life and storage. I know we're heading in the direction of this two horse race (well, we're already there) but I feel it's a shame.



It is a huge shame - no doubt about that. But Microsoft's strategy has been abysmal. Every time they get a new 'great idea', the platform resets....and the userbase fragments. It happened going from 7.8 to 8....and it's happened again going from 8.1 to 10. Microsoft claiming phones like the 1020 were not capable, whilst providing W10M to the Lumia 435 ~(Snapdragon 200!!), was just crazy. They essentially sacrificed flagship buyers for the sake of some extra engineering time.
They then made the ridiculous decision to under-spec the 650 (which would otherwise have been a great phone). It is one that is aimed at business, yet isn't capable of running the Continuum experience!?! They could have put in a 615 processor and still kept it at the same price. Instead they stuck in a weedy little budget processor.
THEN they said they were retrenching for the year - and effectively turning their back on the Windows Mobile market. (At which point, WHY would mobile only developers stick with the platform?! The whole UWP concept simply doesn't work without a viable mobile platform - and MS basically torpedoed Mobile by saying they were backing out of the market to regroup!).
If Windows Mobile had been in the fans hands, then all of the 1GB Windows Phone 8.1 devices would have been updated. The 950/XL would LOOK like premium phones (their screens don't even feel nice to the touch, not like the curved screens on the 930/1020/920). The mid range would be capable of running Continuum, and the 550 would have been sold at firesale prices to boost market share (if China phones can sell for below £50, then that poorly specified 550 should definitely be under that price point).
MS needed to spend the cash and developer time to wrestle market share from Android. Instead they flip flopped, and lost once dedicated users like me.
(They just don't listen though - as exemplified by OneDrive STILL not have placeholders....making my Office 365 subscription fairly redundant).
MS needs better strategy.

BBC iPlayer is vastly better on Android.


I know and you can't even download to local storage which is very handy when travelling or away from any internet connection.
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I know and you can't even download to local storage which is very handy … I know and you can't even download to local storage which is very handy when travelling or away from any internet connection.



*I presume you mean 'can'

& I agree. The combination of Cyberghost and BBC iPlayer means I'll be able to download BBC stuff v.v.easily when abroad via any wifi connection.

*I presume you mean 'can'& I agree. The combination of Cyberghost and BBC … *I presume you mean 'can'& I agree. The combination of Cyberghost and BBC iPlayer means I'll be able to download BBC stuff v.v.easily when abroad via any wifi connection.


I meant can't as in you can't download with the WP app unless I missed something!

The last time I tried using a VPN to download with iPlayer which was last month it was blocked.
Not sure if that was blocked by the BBC or via the ISP which might be the case as it was a Dutch airport or train I think.
Have the BBC followed in the path of Netflix in blocking VPNs?
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I meant can't as in you can't download with the WP app unless I missed … I meant can't as in you can't download with the WP app unless I missed something!The last time I tried using a VPN to download with iPlayer which was last month it was blocked.Not sure if that was blocked by the BBC or via the ISP which might be the case as it was a Dutch airport or train I think.Have the BBC followed in the path of Netflix in blocking VPNs?



Ah, I see...lost in translation

As for the iPlayer and VPN's. I did a test run using the Cyberghost app (which confirmed my IP address as having changed to Leeds if memory serves). I could download iPlayer programs without issues...?

If it doesn't work - no biggie. I've got my Surface 3 for downloading iPlayer stuff when abroad....but it's just really convenient being able to do so on my phone too
Further to my above post (it certainly wasn't an attack or blind defence btw, just my personal experience/opinion) - yes, any Windows Mobile user would be lying to say there isn't an "app-gap" - it's clearly there. However, I do feel it is blown out of any reasonable proportion - looking into the numbers across the major app stores huge (seriously huge - high 90s) percentages of the apps are literal junk, so in real-terms the gap is much smaller.

It is fact that there are significant differences in features between the apps of major names, those these are becoming pronounced - the release and improvement of apps has accelerated in recent months quite dramatically and UWP does seem to be having a significant impact.

Back to my point - *for me*, the app-gap is a non-issue and for many I know it also presents no issue (or annoyance), however there will be some who it will affect. Again - if anyone is looking to take the plunge (or simply to make their own informed decision) ask about a trial.

I would suspect for most (especially light, beginner or business users) they would find the platform comfortable, quick and easy to use.
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Further to my above post (it certainly wasn't an attack or blind defence … Further to my above post (it certainly wasn't an attack or blind defence btw, just my personal experience/opinion) - yes, any Windows Mobile user would be lying to say there isn't an "app-gap" - it's clearly there. However, I do feel it is blown out of any reasonable proportion - looking into the numbers across the major app stores huge (seriously huge - high 90s) percentages of the apps are literal junk, so in real-terms the gap is much smaller.It is fact that there are significant differences in features between the apps of major names, those these are becoming pronounced - the release and improvement of apps has accelerated in recent months quite dramatically and UWP does seem to be having a significant impact.Back to my point - *for me*, the app-gap is a non-issue and for many I know it also presents no issue (or annoyance), however there will be some who it will affect. Again - if anyone is looking to take the plunge (or simply to make their own informed decision) ask about a trial.I would suspect for most (especially light, beginner or business users) they would find the platform comfortable, quick and easy to use.



You'd have to be looking through some seriously rose tinted glasses to come to that conclusion.

As just an example of a reasonable list of apps that one would expect to be of comparative quality;

Ebay (woeful on Windows Mobile)
Amazon (poor, with no Amazon Prime video, or the quick local delivery service etc)
BBC iPlayer (no offline downloads on Windows Mobile)
BBC Radio (performs poorly, and no offline downloads on WM)
BBC Weather (no app)
BBC News (no app)
BBC Sport (no app)
Paypal (app being removed soon)
Waze (will never be updated again)
Gumtree (no app)
AirBnB (no app)
Here Maps (now removed from Windows Mobile)

No Google Maps, no Booking.com app, Microsoft's own Outlook has less features than Outlook on Android!, Skype performs better on Android, Twitter is better on Android.

It's not an app gap, it's an app canyon
Most of those apps you list above, are actually available via mobile rendered web site, so are accessible via any browser. I use many of them on my Windows 10/Edge browser, and are fine.

That said, Microsoft are no longer interested in competing against the other two in the consumer space, but have focused on the business user, where they have a lot more viability.
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Most of those apps you list above, are actually available via mobile … Most of those apps you list above, are actually available via mobile rendered web site, so are accessible via any browser. I use many of them on my Windows 10/Edge browser, and are fine.


Fine in the sense that they don't offer the same functionality!
E.g. IPlayer doesn't support downloads.
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Most of those apps you list above, are actually available via mobile … Most of those apps you list above, are actually available via mobile rendered web site, so are accessible via any browser. I use many of them on my Windows 10/Edge browser, and are fine. That said, Microsoft are no longer interested in competing against the other two in the consumer space, but have focused on the business user, where they have a lot more viability.



I used to have your outlook on things....

But the reality is simple; on a mobile phone, all of those listed apps perform much better as apps than they do as web pages. & huge timesaving apps like Waze don't operate at all on Windows Mobile.

Everything is just such an annoying compromise on Windows.

(Name me ONE of those apps that performs better as a web page )
I think the Lumia 950 XL is fine for what it is. There is a huuuuge app gap but I love the UI and it has everything I need as a business device. I'm lucky though, I also have an iPhone 6S Plus as a consumer device so have access to all the great apps I want there.

We'll have to see if UWP improves the app situation at all. I'm not holding my breath, but miracles do sometimes happen. But regardless, anyone who still hopes Windows Phone is going to compete with Android and iOS is living in cloud cuckoo land. Microsoft has made it very clear that consumers are no longer the focus, and I suspect the play for business users is probably a final throw at the dice for them.

I'd be quite happy if Microsoft keeps things going as a phone platform for enterprise users. But I wouldn't be surprised if they completely chuck in the towel and focus their efforts on building great experiences on iOS and Android.
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I think the Lumia 950 XL is fine for what it is. There is a huuuuge app … I think the Lumia 950 XL is fine for what it is. There is a huuuuge app gap but I love the UI and it has everything I need as a business device. I'm lucky though, I also have an iPhone 6S Plus as a consumer device so have access to all the great apps I want there.We'll have to see if UWP improves the app situation at all. I'm not holding my breath, but miracles do sometimes happen. But regardless, anyone who still hopes Windows Phone is going to compete with Android and iOS is living in cloud cuckoo land. Microsoft has made it very clear that consumers are no longer the focus, and I suspect the play for business users is probably a final throw at the dice for them.I'd be quite happy if Microsoft keeps things going as a phone platform for enterprise users. But I wouldn't be surprised if they completely chuck in the towel and focus their efforts on building great experiences on iOS and Android.



Speaking of great experiences, I am using Arrow launcher and Next lockscreen --- both built by Microsoft, and both brilliant in their own ways! If they brought over the wordflow keyboard, I'd use that too

I'm not sure what Microsoft's ultimate play will be in all of this. But they missed their opportunity in the consumer space. They never committed to mobile - and they are now facing the consequences. (UWP without mobile is a rather wasted concept -- as is Continuum. & Microsoft retrenching will just ensure the loss of any momentum there may have been on mobile. My 950 was probably my last Windows phone. Android is cheaper, has more apps, less glitchy, and just works)
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I used to have your outlook on things....But the reality is simple; on a … I used to have your outlook on things....But the reality is simple; on a mobile phone, all of those listed apps perform much better as apps than they do as web pages. & huge timesaving apps like Waze don't operate at all on Windows Mobile.Everything is just such an annoying compromise on Windows. (Name me ONE of those apps that performs better as a web page )



OK, I got a few mins to respond ;-)

Agree...fully fledged apps are more feature rich, no question. My point was just to raise awareness that the web based versions are available, and they do offer pretty good functionality for the ones you have listed, (as I use many of them this way just fine), some to lesser degree than others arguably.
What I would also say is the old circa to quote the old ‘80/20’ rule - which the former I think will be a majority of 'normal' users (I include myself in this group) will be fine for their day to day usage scenarios, but will disappoint many ‘heavy weight’ users. In which case the Android or fruity based devices will serve you better, probably! Case in point is BBC News, Sport, Weather et al along with the others all work fine via lightweight mobile rendered sites. So ones that require typically heavier media driven needs (downloading large content) basically will struggle via mobile web rendered pages - iPlayer, Amazon Prime, etc.
And no, I won't note any that perform ‘better’ (whatever the metrics are here to gauge this), because of what I just said above. It’s really down to your individual needs.
Also…Waze...great app...and it does work on Win10 mobile and beats HERE and Windows Maps (which is based on the former) hands down in term of accuracy/re-routing capabilities - it's my daily used app...and yes, shame it won’t be updated. ;-(
So, where does that leave us…MSFT exiting consumer space basically, focusing on business users in the short to medium term in the main, whilst making their core services and apps, available across platform…whatever the device/OS. You simply can’t say the same for the fruity camp, nor the search-giant-all-your-data-belongs-to-us camp either. windowscentral.com/aut…ard provides some interesting articles / thoughts on the ‘app gap’ and some of his older content addresses the position (re-positioning) Microsoft are in the middle of doing for mobile offerings - for those of you who still wear the rose tinted glasses and have a spare moment to read through!

PS. This email was written on my 950XL phone, with Continuum inbuilt software to connect via a Microsoft Display (wireless) adapter in the monitor, using the iPlayer app to watch the European football, whilst I now continue to read/respond emails, browse the web, (create this response!),etc...all on a phone... ‪#‎productive‬ ‪#‎easy‬ ‪#‎laptopisclosed‬
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