Moto X4 for £99.99 12 month contract for £36 per month (requiring sim cancellation) in the first 14 days possible £50.50 cashback at topcashback (not guaranteed) @ carphone warehouse
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Moto X4 for £99.99 12 month contract for £36 per month (requiring sim cancellation) in the first 14 days possible £50.50 cashback at topcashback (not guaranteed) @ carphone warehouse

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Found 19th MarEdited by:"Mrswitch"
Ok, so, an explanation...

Order the x4 32gb any colour on the 12 month £36 per month contract for an upfront payment of £99,
Then when you receive the SIM and phone, give o2 a call within the 14 day cooling off period and cancel the sim only part of the deal.

These are two separate contracts as has been commented on another post by @Dayle_Shepherd
So you are essentially getting this phone for £49

TopCashback (not guaranteed) usually payout in around 3 weeks, as they did with me.





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ajmal_roshan3 m ago

Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs …Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs £199. In this case, £199 - £99.99 (upfront cost) = £99.01 which is added to the plan. If you check O2 websites, 30gb pan cost only £25 per month. Enlighten me, how can 16 gb for £36 per month plan works out.Please don't follow the fool !!


Trust me, we wont follow you....
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superfreddy3 m ago

How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone …How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone starts destroying their ratings!


Well I'm sure everyone can make up their own minds, however, best not have any big purchases coming up in the next 6 months.
Unless you're coming to the end of your current contract, and don't have a choice but to get another contract deal.
Some people may want to get this and couple it with a PAYG sim card.
I'm not here to allay your fears, and I'm not a financial advisor, I'm simply posting a cracking deal, and am letting the good people of hukd make their own choice.
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Important to note, cashback is not guaranteed. I can confirm that I have purchased this bundle and was able to successfully cancel my contract with O2 (without the need to activate my sim) and did so without incurring any fees.

Might be best to talk with CPW staff via the online chat to confirm that you are indeed buying a sim free phone, and that this is indeed separate from the 12 month Sim only contract, and that you are within your rights of cancelling this contract within 14 days as part of your cooling off period.

I am still waiting for my cashback to be paid, fingers crossed it does, worst case £99.99 is a cracking deal for this phone.
Does this effect your credit rating?
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superfreddy3 m ago

Does this effect your credit rating?


Yes, but minimally, if you have a mortgage application coming up, I'd suggest not doing this, but if you don't have anything coming up soon, you should be OK.
Pretty cracking if this works out!
Mrswitch1 m ago

Yes, but minimally, if you have a mortgage application coming up, I'd …Yes, but minimally, if you have a mortgage application coming up, I'd suggest not doing this, but if you don't have anything coming up soon, you should be OK.


How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone starts destroying their ratings!
I always get the message that if you cancel an O2 Refresh contract within the first 6 months cashback won't be paid.
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superfreddy3 m ago

How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone …How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone starts destroying their ratings!


Well I'm sure everyone can make up their own minds, however, best not have any big purchases coming up in the next 6 months.
Unless you're coming to the end of your current contract, and don't have a choice but to get another contract deal.
Some people may want to get this and couple it with a PAYG sim card.
I'm not here to allay your fears, and I'm not a financial advisor, I'm simply posting a cracking deal, and am letting the good people of hukd make their own choice.
Mrswitch1 m ago

Well I'm sure everyone can make up their own minds, however, best not have …Well I'm sure everyone can make up their own minds, however, best not have any big purchases coming up in the next 6 months. Unless you're coming to the end of your current contract, and don't have a choice but to get another contract deal. Some people may want to get this and couple it with a PAYG sim card.I'm not here to allay your fears, and I'm not a financial advisor, I'm simply posting a cracking deal, and am letting the good people of hukd make their own choice.


Where does it say you can cancel the o2 contract and keep the phone for £99?
The contracts (for O2) all look the same. Is there a way to confirm that it has a phone only and sim only part?
If there is then can this then be applied on any phone? May be not!
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FootieLad17 m ago

Important to note, cashback is not guaranteed. I can confirm that I have …Important to note, cashback is not guaranteed. I can confirm that I have purchased this bundle and was able to successfully cancel my contract with O2 (without the need to activate my sim) and did so without incurring any fees.Might be best to talk with CPW staff via the online chat to confirm that you are indeed buying a sim free phone, and that this is indeed separate from the 12 month Sim only contract, and that you are within your rights of cancelling this contract within 14 days as part of your cooling off period.I am still waiting for my cashback to be paid, fingers crossed it does, worst case £99.99 is a cracking deal for this phone.


Mt cashback was paid out, but as in my op, I'm telling people that essentially they will get it, not guaranteed, I'll edit.
O2 T & C's 12.1 Unless we’ve specifically agreed to sell you Equipment on an “equipment only” basis, we’re supplying it to you because you’ve agreed to enter into the Services Agreement and to receive the Services for a Minimum Period. Some tariffs may only be taken in conjunction with sale of Equipment. Because you’ve agreed to subscribe to our Services, unless you’ve agreed to a separate Device Plan we may supply the Equipment to you for no charge or for a charge that includes a large reduction on its normal cost. If you cancel the Services Agreement the Equipment Agreement will also be cancelled.
superfreddy2 m ago

Where does it say you can cancel the o2 contract and keep the phone for …Where does it say you can cancel the o2 contract and keep the phone for £99?


It doesn't - you have to be in the know (HUKD wise) - dig out the Huawei P10 lite from November 2017 to help you out. Same principal
Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs £199.
In this case, £199 - £99.99 (upfront cost) = £99.01 which is added to the plan. If you check O2 websites, 30gb pan cost only £25 per month. Enlighten me, how can 16 gb for £36 per month plan works out.


Please don't follow the fool !!
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Gollywood2 m ago

What Spec is this version? (Ram/Rom)


Number of cores Octa
Processor name Qualcomm Snapdragon 630 processor with 2.2GHZ octa-core CPU, and 650MHz Adreno 508 GPU
Maximum processor speed 2.2 GHz
Core speeds 2.2 GHz
RAM 3 GB
ROM 32gb
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ajmal_roshan1 m ago

Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs …Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs £199. In this case, £199 - £99.99 (upfront cost) = £99.01 which is added to the plan. If you check O2 websites, 30gb pan cost only £25 per month. Enlighten me, how can 16 gb for £36 per month plan works out.Please don't follow the fool !!


Come again?
ajmal_roshan3 m ago

Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs …Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs £199. In this case, £199 - £99.99 (upfront cost) = £99.01 which is added to the plan. If you check O2 websites, 30gb pan cost only £25 per month. Enlighten me, how can 16 gb for £36 per month plan works out.Please don't follow the fool !!


Trust me, we wont follow you....
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UraNidyat5 m ago

O2 T & C's 12.1 Unless we’ve specifically agreed to sell you Equipment on …O2 T & C's 12.1 Unless we’ve specifically agreed to sell you Equipment on an “equipment only” basis, we’re supplying it to you because you’ve agreed to enter into the Services Agreement and to receive the Services for a Minimum Period. Some tariffs may only be taken in conjunction with sale of Equipment. Because you’ve agreed to subscribe to our Services, unless you’ve agreed to a separate Device Plan we may supply the Equipment to you for no charge or for a charge that includes a large reduction on its normal cost. If you cancel the Services Agreement the Equipment Agreement will also be cancelled.


But this is from CPW not O2. Different situation altogether I'm afraid.
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Gollywood2 m ago

Trust me, we wont follow you....


Every time I post one of these deals I get grief...
But they work, hence why I've posted a few of these.

If I didn't know they worked, I wouldn't post them.
Mrswitch1 m ago

But this is from CPW not O2. Different situation altogether I'm afraid.


I don't get it Mr S - you're doing us all a massive favour with this 'heads up' - yet getting grief!
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Gollywood4 m ago

I don't get it Mr S - you're doing us all a massive favour with this …I don't get it Mr S - you're doing us all a massive favour with this 'heads up' - yet getting grief!


What can I do!

Just take it on the chin I suppose.
Previous deal here with comments if anyone wants to read about others who got it.

hotukdeals.com/dea…e=3
Edited by: "ssjinzo" 19th Mar
ajmal_roshan18 m ago

Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs …Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs £199. In this case, £199 - £99.99 (upfront cost) = £99.01 which is added to the plan. If you check O2 websites, 30gb pan cost only £25 per month. Enlighten me, how can 16 gb for £36 per month plan works out.Please don't follow the fool !!


It does work according to previous deals explaining this trick and members saying they've done it (I haven't and couldn't be bothered)...

is it entirely legitimate? I doubt it, it's a case of exploiting loopholes in their systems.... I assume (but only guessing) CPW get some payment when they sign up an O2 contract, this goes towards the subsidised cost of the phone to make up the low cost that you pay up front for the phone (clearly they can't sell this phone for £99 and make money, they'll be making a loss) - so reliant on the O2 kickback.

Then there's the cashback, presumably it's another flaw in their systems and you shouldn't get cashback on a cancelled contract but some do get it.... again I suspect it's CPW that loses out

By my reckoning CPW lose at least £100 everytime someone does this... only a guess.

Could this constitute as fraudulently acquiring an item by deception? - no idea as I'm no lawyer.

I'm not suggesting either way.... I imagine CPW will eventually realise that people do this and they're losing money and stop this from working.... but clearly their sloppy systems and lousy terms and conditions allow this to work
Edited by: "spannerzone" 19th Mar
FootieLad35 m ago

Important to note, cashback is not guaranteed. I can confirm that I have …Important to note, cashback is not guaranteed. I can confirm that I have purchased this bundle and was able to successfully cancel my contract with O2 (without the need to activate my sim) and did so without incurring any fees.Might be best to talk with CPW staff via the online chat to confirm that you are indeed buying a sim free phone, and that this is indeed separate from the 12 month Sim only contract, and that you are within your rights of cancelling this contract within 14 days as part of your cooling off period.I am still waiting for my cashback to be paid, fingers crossed it does, worst case £99.99 is a cracking deal for this phone.


All phones are SIM-FREE @ CPW, it saves them from stockpiling phones locked to networks that people don't want.
With 02, they have the phone as one contract (which has already been paid for at CPW) and the SIM.
The 14 day cooling off period is for anything bought online

"If you entered into the contract over the phone, online or on your doorstep, you have 14 calendar days to cancel the contract under the Consumer Contracts Regulations. The cooling-off period starts the day after you agree to go ahead with the service.
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superfreddy25 m ago

How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone …How long is "soon" though? Probably best to have facts before everyone starts destroying their ratings!


6mths or less, too many credit checks/ agreements per year can limit your chances of being accepted
New low MSE recommending this to save £25.

Might work for some, but many will **** this up royally. They've already been misc threads from people who've been burnt.
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superfreddy21 m ago

Where does it say you can cancel the o2 contract and keep the phone for …Where does it say you can cancel the o2 contract and keep the phone for £99?


It doesn't, but what it does say/imply, is that they are two separate contracts, and so you can cancel one, and keep the other.
Look if you don't like the deal vote cold, this is a democracy, and i couldn't give a flying monkeys either way.
Thanks for your input on the matter however.
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spannerzone5 m ago

It does work according to previous deals explaining this trick and members …It does work according to previous deals explaining this trick and members saying they've done it (I haven't and couldn't be bothered)... is it entirely legitimate? I doubt it, it's a case of exploiting loopholes in their systems.... I assume (but only guessing) CPW get some payment when they sign up an O2 contract, this goes towards the subsidised cost of the phone to make up the low cost that you pay up front for the phone (clearly they can't sell this phone for £99 and make money, they'll be making a loss) - so reliant on the O2 kickback.Then there's the cashback, presumably it's another flaw in their systems and you shouldn't get cashback on a cancelled contract but some do get it.... again I suspect it's CPW that loses outBy my reckoning CPW lose at least £100 everytime someone does this... only a guess.Could this constitute as fraudulently acquiring an item by deception? - no idea as I'm no lawyer.I'm not suggesting either way.... I imagine CPW will eventually realise that people do this and they're losing money and stop this from working.... but clearly their sloppy systems and lousy terms and conditions allow this to work


Maybe, however you look at it, this is happening, and has been for months, if CPW weren't making any money from it, and thought it was illegal, then they'd pull the deal and pull the cashback.
I doubt very much they'd give MoneySavingExpert the go ahead to publish the deal, if they didn't approve of it.
Mrswitch4 m ago

Maybe, however you look at it, this is happening, and has been for months, …Maybe, however you look at it, this is happening, and has been for months, if CPW weren't making any money from it, and thought it was illegal, then they'd pull the deal and pull the cashback. I doubt very much they'd give MoneySavingExpert the go ahead to publish the deal, if they didn't approve of it.


Oh absolutely and I'm not knocking your deal, it's a rather ingenious way to take advantage of a situation that's presented itself and CPW are either complete idiots for not knowing or they do know and accept a certain percentage do it but still remains cost effective (but I have trouble thinking they're not losing money hand over fist on this!)

I can't see the MSE info on this, got a link?

I voted hot by they way, I always love inventive ways to get deals and this seems on the right side of legal to me.
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spannerzone4 m ago

Oh absolutely and I'm not knocking your deal, it's a rather ingenious way …Oh absolutely and I'm not knocking your deal, it's a rather ingenious way to take advantage of a situation that's presented itself and CPW are either complete idiots for not knowing or they do know and accept a certain percentage do it but still remains cost effective (but I have trouble thinking they're not losing money hand over fist on this!)I can't see the MSE info on this, got a link?I voted hot by they way, I always love inventive ways to get deals and this seems on the right side of legal to me.


Don't have a link sorry, but info has been added that you can follow.

I think o2 and vodafone must give cpw a lump sum payment (for want of a better term) in the hope that some people take out these twelve month deals, and stick with the monthly payment, so I actually think it's o2 and vodafone who are taking the hit.
Mrswitch2 m ago

Don't have a link sorry, but info has been added that you can follow.I …Don't have a link sorry, but info has been added that you can follow.I think o2 and vodafone must give cpw a lump sum payment (for want of a better term) in the hope that some people take out these twelve month deals, and stick with the monthly payment, so I actually think it's o2 and vodafone who are taking the hit.


Maybe you're right, well some one is taking a hit or maybe they've bought a shed load of Moto phones really cheap. Good luck to anyone that gets the whole mega deal.
ajmal_roshan36 m ago

Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs …Won't work. Don't think CPW people are stupid. Moto X4 sim free costs £199. In this case, £199 - £99.99 (upfront cost) = £99.01 which is added to the plan. If you check O2 websites, 30gb pan cost only £25 per month. Enlighten me, how can 16 gb for £36 per month plan works out.Please don't follow the fool !!


in the trade there's a term called a "loss leader", this is a pricing strategy where a product is sold at a price below its market cost to stimulate other sales of more profitable goods or services

phones are not worth the retail price tag, the price reflects all parties getting a cut of the profits. the £99.01 is not ADDED TO THE PLAN its a discount to get you to buy the phone bundled with a SIM. at £36pm 02 would have made £432 just on the SIM, they would obviously give CPW a 10%-15% finders fee so everyone's happy. with people cancelling 02 still make the £432 off 12 people at minimum who take up the deal in the same month which is increasing their monthly revenue
If O2 don't allow you to keep the phone can you still cancel and return phone and get most of your money back? sorry for the dumb question.
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weswart57 s ago

If O2 don't allow you to keep the phone can you still cancel and return …If O2 don't allow you to keep the phone can you still cancel and return phone and get most of your money back? sorry for the dumb question.


Of course.
I was under the impression, according to the other Moto X4 deal - hotukdeals.com/dea…620 , that this only works if you go for the 1 month contracts.
spannerzone1 h, 1 m ago

Oh absolutely and I'm not knocking your deal, it's a rather ingenious way …Oh absolutely and I'm not knocking your deal, it's a rather ingenious way to take advantage of a situation that's presented itself and CPW are either complete idiots for not knowing or they do know and accept a certain percentage do it but still remains cost effective (but I have trouble thinking they're not losing money hand over fist on this!)I can't see the MSE info on this, got a link?I voted hot by they way, I always love inventive ways to get deals and this seems on the right side of legal to me.


It's been added to the OP under 'community updates' by @watson44
sherlock74724 m ago

I was under the impression, according to the other Moto X4 deal - …I was under the impression, according to the other Moto X4 deal - https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/a-moto-x4-for-15999-plus-one-month-rolling-contract-17499-before-likely-50-cashback-dual-camera-ip68-usb-c-qualcomm-sd630-32gb3gb-ram-52in-nfc-alexa-cpw-2904620 , that this only works if you go for the 1 month contracts.


Mrswitch found another loophole
I thought the upfront cost just went towards the handset cost, rather than paying it in full? If that's not the case, why are there still two contracts?

Sure, you can close the sim contract, but how do you know in advance how much is on the handset contract?

... Or did the whole two-contracts-thing only apply with 24 month contracts?
(sorry if I'm just being dense here)
Edited by: "somaKing" 20th Mar
It's alright saying that this "loophole" works but it really hasn't been going long enough for anyone to be sure that CPW won't be demanding the return of the unused handset or full payment at some point in the future, especially for the 12mth contract deals.
Edited by: "sherlock747" 20th Mar
You said that the phone is essentially 49 but also saying that they are going to be two different contracts. So you're still going to be paying part of it isn't that right.

I'm a bit confused. Correct me
1 you buy it 99 upfront then 36 a month but you cancel within 14 days so you've only paid 99 then you get the chashback 49 and ......

Do you continue to pay for the phone for 12 months, maybe not 36 but something?
sherlock74733 m ago

It's alright saying that this "loophole" works but it really hasn't been …It's alright saying that this "loophole" works but it really hasn't been going long enough for anyone to be sure that CPW won't be demanding the return of the unused handset or full payment at some point in the future, especially for the 12mth contract deals.


Not worth the hassle IMO but if you are feeling brave and lucky then I guess some may try it.
Mrswitch3 h, 33 m ago

What can I do! Just take it on the chin I suppose.


Is it confirmed then??

It's Mr S, not Mrs W?!?!
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