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MSI B450 GAMING PLUS Socket AM4 ATX Motherboard for AMD Ryzen Processors £84.90 at Amazon
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MSI B450 GAMING PLUS Socket AM4 ATX Motherboard for AMD Ryzen Processors £84.90 at Amazon

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Posted 1st Sep 2019

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  • Supports 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen AMD® Ryzen™/ Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics / 2nd Gen AMD® Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Graphics and Athlon™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics Desktop Processors for Socket AM4
  • Supports DDR4-3466(OC) Memory
  • Lightning Fast Game experience: TURBO M.2, StoreMI, AMD Turbo USB 3.1 GEN2
  • Audio Boost with Nahimic: Reward your ears with studio grade sound quality for the most immersive gaming experience
  • Core Boost: With premium layout and digital power design to support more cores and provide better performance.
  • DDR4 Boost: Give your DDR4 memory a performance boost with A-XMP
  • MULTI-GPU: With STEEL ARMOR PCI-E slots. Supports 2-Way AMD Crossfire™
  • VR Ready: Automatically optimizes your system for VR usage, pushing for maximum performance.
  • Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.
  • In-Game Weapons: Game Boost, GAMING Hotkey, X-Boost
  • GAMING CERTIFIED: 24-hour on and offline game and motherboard testing by eSports players
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  • Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.
Very useful with the new CPU's
That MAX board is available at the same price from Amazon on back order btw.
£10 more on eBay for the max version of this with out of the box gen 3 support and a larger bios to potentially support future features rover.ebay.com/rov…268
Edited by: "mscott3564" 1st Sep 2019
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  • Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.
Very useful with the new CPU's
krizw01/09/2019 12:41

Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, …Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.Very useful with the new CPU's


One of the main reasons I was looking at MSI boards for my upgrade, no need for a 1st or 2nd gen chip to update the bios.
krizw01/09/2019 12:41

Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, …Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.Very useful with the new CPU's


Just be aware you will be missing some features such as raid.. but most people won't miss any of them
krizw01/09/2019 12:41

Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, …Flash BIOS Button: Simply use a USB key to flash any BIOS within seconds, without installing a CPU, memory or graphics card.Very useful with the new CPU's



I honestly really do not get this needing an older chip to post and flash or extra functionality added so some boards can.

It use to be the case when a new cpu came out that the board did not recognise it would POST into a default fail safe mode (slow settings and not making best use) but at least enough to enable you to flash, reboot and then get to full advantage.

Can anyone explain why with the current generation of boards this has seemingly gone backwards?
Bertz9901/09/2019 13:28

I honestly really do not get this needing an older chip to post and flash …I honestly really do not get this needing an older chip to post and flash or extra functionality added so some boards can.It use to be the case when a new cpu came out that the board did not recognise it would POST into a default fail safe mode (slow settings and not making best use) but at least enough to enable you to flash, reboot and then get to full advantage.Can anyone explain why with the current generation of boards this has seemingly gone backwards?


I have never known any PC to POST with an unknown CPU....what AMD/INTEL generation are you referring to that did this?
What's the difference between this gaming edition, and the Tomahawk and the Carbon Pro?

I've been waiting for the Carbon Pros to come back in stock, as I like having decent WiFi built in. Simple enough bios update for my ryzen 3, and has high end audio and shielding etc.

But this is low enough cost to the tomahawk etc. to spend £30 on a decent WiFi adapter, whilst max version improves bios visually...
Edited by: "pandaking" 1st Sep 2019
Only about 20 years worth as it was common place with AMD's and Intel from about the K6's series onto Athlons and Durons (many Durons were not recognised but aimed to go in older motheroards and did not need AMD sending out dummy cpu's)

Pretty sure my last S775 with an Intel 8400 needed a bios flash that I did not need an old cpu as went to fail safe mode - bios alerted not supported but enough for me continue past and flash.

Admittedly I do not know when this stopped being there as the several gen's of Intel I have had since core2duo's have always been married under the tick tock with motherboards supporting.

However, seems like shooting yourself in the foot not to engineer it to fall back to a fail safe mode to enable this ability which I can assure you was there.
Edited by: "Bertz99" 1st Sep 2019
cicobuff01/09/2019 13:39

I have never known any PC to POST with an unknown CPU....what AMD/INTEL …I have never known any PC to POST with an unknown CPU....what AMD/INTEL generation are you referring to that did this?


Socket A processors and mobos used to allow this (from experience) back in the single core athlon days.
cspectre01/09/2019 13:58

Socket A processors and mobos used to allow this (from experience) back in …Socket A processors and mobos used to allow this (from experience) back in the single core athlon days.


My hazy memory of working on Athlon/Duron doesn't remember such ability
In the olden days of PC there were loads of jumpers and 5 expansion cards were common.
i/o, audio, storage, 2D gfx and 3D gfx.
£10 more on eBay for the max version of this with out of the box gen 3 support and a larger bios to potentially support future features rover.ebay.com/rov…268
Edited by: "mscott3564" 1st Sep 2019
Gort195101/09/2019 14:58

In the olden days of PC there were loads of jumpers and 5 expansion cards …In the olden days of PC there were loads of jumpers and 5 expansion cards were common.i/o, audio, storage, 2D gfx and 3D gfx.


Indeed and here you see the advances which simplify not have to making different jumpers for the fsb, voltage or even reset the bios that would previously have required taking the machine apart.

However, I still am pondering why if you insert something that physically works the motherboard manufacturers would want to inhibit users being able to help themselves by not loading to the lowest fail safe settings that would enable the ability to flash the bios without any extra features being required or needing amd to send out a flashing cpu.

The engineers are going to be some bright sparks so presumably they have a good reason and wondering if anyone here has any insight to this.
mscott356401/09/2019 15:04

£10 more on eBay for the max version of this with out of the box gen 3 …£10 more on eBay for the max version of this with out of the box gen 3 support and a larger bios to potentially support future features https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113839030268


Will RAID work on that motherboard with a 3rd gen Ryzen?
Guys buy the max version, its worth the extra 15-20 quid.
mscott356401/09/2019 15:04

£10 more on eBay for the max version of this with out of the box gen 3 …£10 more on eBay for the max version of this with out of the box gen 3 support and a larger bios to potentially support future features https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F113839030268


If you're going to pay over £90 then you might as well just get an x470 really. You can often find those used or refurb for around the £90 mark.
Spark01/09/2019 16:33

If you're going to pay over £90 then you might as well just get an x470 …If you're going to pay over £90 then you might as well just get an x470 really. You can often find those used or refurb for around the £90 mark.


Not sure I agree. A cheap X470 is probably worse than a solid b450. The only advantage I see is SLI which is not usually a requirement. At least that’s my understanding, I’m planning a Ryzen 5 3600/b450 build, happy to spend £100 on the b450
mscott356401/09/2019 16:36

Not sure I agree. A cheap X470 is probably worse than a solid b450. The …Not sure I agree. A cheap X470 is probably worse than a solid b450. The only advantage I see is SLI which is not usually a requirement. At least that’s my understanding, I’m planning a Ryzen 5 3600/b450 build, happy to spend £100 on the b450


I think the x470's have better vrm cooling usually don't they? I recently opted for this B450 board though, albeit at a slightly reduced price from Amazon warehouse.
Edited by: "Spark" 1st Sep 2019
That MAX board is available at the same price from Amazon on back order btw.
Oh man, that's a beauty.
Spark01/09/2019 16:43

I think the x470's have better vrm cooling usually don't they? I recently …I think the x470's have better vrm cooling usually don't they? I recently opted for this B450 board though, albeit at a slightly reduced price from Amazon warehouse.


Not on a dirt cheap X470 board. Some of the VRM's are terrible . I remember on reddit someone had compiled a VRM tier list and some of the cheapest x470 boards had worse VRM's than a solid b450 board
Spark01/09/2019 16:46

That MAX board is available at the same price from Amazon on back order …That MAX board is available at the same price from Amazon on back order btw.

Link?
Spark01/09/2019 16:46

That MAX board is available at the same price from Amazon on back order …That MAX board is available at the same price from Amazon on back order btw.


Good spot - thanks. Ordered.
For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX (Socket AM4/B450/DDR4/S-ATA 600/ATX) amazon.co.uk/dp/B07V9L4RT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_AjaBDbPZHV99T
Edited by: "PoolePirate" 1st Sep 2019
PoolePirate01/09/2019 18:40

Good spot - thanks. Ordered.For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING …Good spot - thanks. Ordered.For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX (Socket AM4/B450/DDR4/S-ATA 600/ATX) amazon.co.uk/dp/B07V9L4RT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_AjaBDbPZHV99T


Only able to find it for 97.99? Must be doing something wrong?! Highly likely
B_en01/09/2019 18:44

Only able to find it for 97.99? Must be doing something wrong?! Highly …Only able to find it for 97.99? Must be doing something wrong?! Highly likely


Yes that's what I paid (£97.99). Dearer than this offer but wanted the max. Think Spark was referring to same price as conversation had gone to £100 bad on the x470 boards.
Edited by: "PoolePirate" 1st Sep 2019
PoolePirate01/09/2019 18:40

Good spot - thanks. Ordered.For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING …Good spot - thanks. Ordered.For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX (Socket AM4/B450/DDR4/S-ATA 600/ATX) amazon.co.uk/dp/B07V9L4RT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_AjaBDbPZHV99T


The real deal, I’ll order this later
PoolePirate01/09/2019 18:40

Good spot - thanks. Ordered.For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING …Good spot - thanks. Ordered.For others asking link here: MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX (Socket AM4/B450/DDR4/S-ATA 600/ATX) amazon.co.uk/dp/B07V9L4RT6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_AjaBDbPZHV99T


Is that one really all that much better than the one from this thread? I know I'm the one who found it but I'm tempted to back order one myself considering how much some of you seem to be raving about it. 😄
Edited by: "Spark" 1st Sep 2019
PoolePirate01/09/2019 18:47

Yes that's what I paid (£97.99). Dearer than this offer but wanted the …Yes that's what I paid (£97.99). Dearer than this offer but wanted the max. Think Spark was referring to same price as conversation had gone to £100 bad on the x470 boards.


Yeah that would make sense ha! Thanks for that.
Difference between this and tomahawk?
Apparently SATA port 5 and 6 become unavailable when using the m.2 slot on this board.
Do people have positive experiences with MSI these days?
Stopped using them after a bad experience. A bug in their BIOS updating bricked my bios (it blindly read whatever was at address 0 on the USB stick), then refused to fix it unless I forked out £40, and even locked a forum thread discussing the bug. I ended up soldering a special connector to flash it myself, as I refused to give them a penny for their idiotic mistake on a board that cost £140.
I saw people recently talking about them sending out heavily abused GPUs as warranty replacements.
I get the impression the company as a whole has a fair bit of contempt for their customers.
Bertz9901/09/2019 13:55

Only about 20 years worth as it was common place with AMD's and Intel from …Only about 20 years worth as it was common place with AMD's and Intel from about the K6's series onto Athlons and Durons (many Durons were not recognised but aimed to go in older motheroards and did not need AMD sending out dummy cpu's)Pretty sure my last S775 with an Intel 8400 needed a bios flash that I did not need an old cpu as went to fail safe mode - bios alerted not supported but enough for me continue past and flash. Admittedly I do not know when this stopped being there as the several gen's of Intel I have had since core2duo's have always been married under the tick tock with motherboards supporting.However, seems like shooting yourself in the foot not to engineer it to fall back to a fail safe mode to enable this ability which I can assure you was there.


Athlon X64 definitely allowed it because I had to flash a board to support the CPU that was installed.

Its likely because modern UEFI is some complex that it can't run on the Real Mode and without supporting the CPU won't be able to switch onto Protected Mode.
NitrousUK01/09/2019 19:37

Do people have positive experiences with MSI these days?Stopped using them …Do people have positive experiences with MSI these days?Stopped using them after a bad experience. A bug in their BIOS updating bricked my bios (it blindly read whatever was at address 0 on the USB stick), then refused to fix it unless I forked out £40, and even locked a forum thread discussing the bug. I ended up soldering a special connector to flash it myself, as I refused to give them a penny for their idiotic mistake on a board that cost £140.I saw people recently talking about them sending out heavily abused GPUs as warranty replacements.I get the impression the company as a whole has a fair bit of contempt for their customers.


According to Hardware Unboxed they are pretty much the only decent B450 board manufacturer out there. They're also the only ones who support chip-less bios flashing almost universally.
NitrousUK01/09/2019 19:37

Do people have positive experiences with MSI these days?Stopped using them …Do people have positive experiences with MSI these days?Stopped using them after a bad experience. A bug in their BIOS updating bricked my bios (it blindly read whatever was at address 0 on the USB stick), then refused to fix it unless I forked out £40, and even locked a forum thread discussing the bug. I ended up soldering a special connector to flash it myself, as I refused to give them a penny for their idiotic mistake on a board that cost £140.I saw people recently talking about them sending out heavily abused GPUs as warranty replacements.I get the impression the company as a whole has a fair bit of contempt for their customers.


Not had great experiences with their motherboards or GPUs. Every Asus motherboard I've had developed faults and people love ASUS.
lucastorreira201801/09/2019 12:43

One of the main reasons I was looking at MSI boards for my upgrade, no …One of the main reasons I was looking at MSI boards for my upgrade, no need for a 1st or 2nd gen chip to update the bios.


It's not an MSI exclusive lol
pandaking01/09/2019 13:54

What's the difference between this gaming edition, and the Tomahawk and …What's the difference between this gaming edition, and the Tomahawk and the Carbon Pro? I've been waiting for the Carbon Pros to come back in stock, as I like having decent WiFi built in. Simple enough bios update for my ryzen 3, and has high end audio and shielding etc. But this is low enough cost to the tomahawk etc. to spend £30 on a decent WiFi adapter, whilst max version improves bios visually...


Just Google each motherboard name separately. Top result is normally the msi page. Load it and click specifications and compare them side by side

B450 gaming plus max: msi.com/Mot…ion

Tomahawk max: msi.com/Mot…ion

Gaming Pro Carbon:
msi.com/Mot…ion
mattclarkie01/09/2019 19:40

Athlon X64 definitely allowed it because I had to flash a board to support …Athlon X64 definitely allowed it because I had to flash a board to support the CPU that was installed.Its likely because modern UEFI is some complex that it can't run on the Real Mode and without supporting the CPU won't be able to switch onto Protected Mode.



Yep - wasn't just Athlon and AMD you can see the "CPU is not compatible press F1 to resume" being reported upto H61 motherboards and users finding their CPU running at spec's till BIOS bought upto date (unless you had a cpu even with bios not supported as too juicy) and first I can remember was socket 370 adapters for celery 300a on boards supporting only the 300's.

Not too sure on your reasoning why but what you are pointing at could be a good match. i.e. if they have coded that the CPU has to be known to be trusted during the SEC phase that would match the difference that could deemed to be a blocker and would seem to match the same time line in this functionality changing - ta gives me an area to look and think at.
Voted this cold tbh. Not far off the price of MAX boards which are the preferable option at this point.

However if you really like the feature set of this board and intend to pair it with Ryzen gen 1 or2 (particularly used), eh fair enough.
Bertz9901/09/2019 13:28

I honestly really do not get this needing an older chip to post and flash …I honestly really do not get this needing an older chip to post and flash or extra functionality added so some boards can.It use to be the case when a new cpu came out that the board did not recognise it would POST into a default fail safe mode (slow settings and not making best use) but at least enough to enable you to flash, reboot and then get to full advantage.Can anyone explain why with the current generation of boards this has seemingly gone backwards?


That was a while ago, Intel's not really done upgrade between generations in a while and AMD has tried to maintain it, but it's always an optional extra not really a guarantee as CPU manufacturers can only do so much.

TBH it's a pretty reasonable expectation that a manufacturer should have an expectation that a new purchaser should buy the corresponding new chipsets. Getting compatibility in a forward generation with the complexity of motherboards and CPUs it's a significant ask if there are big improvements between generations and definitely an extra bonus aimed at existing users not new ones.

It's mostly the motherboard manufacturers issue, they can allow updating without a CPU like this one does. But AMD up until this generation didn't get high end boards in the volume and quantity they do now. Cheaper boards have fewer features, you can see on the higher end Intel boards which even without generational upgrades have way better BIOS management functions than mid end Intel or high end AMD which up until recently were equivalent to mid range Intel in features and quality.

These are a decent buy, but I would just spend the cash on a new 5 series board. They are a major improvement in quality(hence the price). That being said this will quite possibly be the last AM4 CPU AMD releases so maybe not worth sinking cash into it. AMD said 2020 for the sockets and DDR5 is q4 2019 and 2020.
Basualdo01/09/2019 20:40

Pay an extra £9 and get the max: …Pay an extra £9 and get the max: https://m.cclonline.com/product/293003/B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX/Motherboards/MSI-B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX-AMD-Socket-AM4-B450-Chipset-ATX-Motherboard/MBD2684/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuMn_vK-w5AIVQbDtCh0cNAxrEAQYASABEgIFivD_BwEThe max boards should eradicate the bios issue for those building with 3rd gen ryzen cpus: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/amd/msi-max-motherboards-ryzen-3000-compatibility%3famp


The problem is availability of the max versions.Im still waiting for b450m max boards,all sites showing "soon".Bloody joke.
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