MSI GE60 Apache (15.6", Core i5-4210H 2.9ghz/3.5ghz, 8gb RAM, Nvidia Geforce GTX 850m, 1TB HDD, Full HD 1080p, 2 yr warranty) £599.98 @ Dabs
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MSI GE60 Apache (15.6", Core i5-4210H 2.9ghz/3.5ghz, 8gb RAM, Nvidia Geforce GTX 850m, 1TB HDD, Full HD 1080p, 2 yr warranty) £599.98 @ Dabs

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Found 27th Jun 2015
I present you with the best 'bang per buck' gaming laptop for less than £600!

The i5-4210H provides similar performance to the i7-"U" processors as it's a full powered 47W part. The GTX 850m is really the starting point for gaming at 1080p and can run most modern games at medium/high settings at 1080p. I don't think I've ever seen a GTX 850m based laptop before at this price (they're normally £700-750ish). 8gb RAM and a 2 year warranty is bonus at this price.

The only downsides is that it doesn't come with an OS (other than DOS) but as long as you can lay your hands on a (legitimate) copy of Windows, and maybe install a few drivers from the MSI website, it shouldn't be a problem.

If I was being really critical, then I say, it's not the slimmest laptop (it's quite chunky) but 2.4kg is about par for the course for a 15.6" and from what I've read in some reviews, the fans can be slightly noisy.

That said, for £599 inc delivery, I think it offers terrific 'bang per buck'! (currently £650 at Ebuyer and £670 at SaveOnLaptops)

MSI GE60 2PL 663XUK Apache - 15.6" - Core i5 4210H - no OS - 8 GB RAM - 1 TB HDD
Operating System No OS
ProcessorIntel Core i5 (4th Gen) 4210H / 2.9 GHz ( 3.5 GHz ) / 3 MB Cache
Memory 8 GB DDR3L
Storage 1 TB HDD / 7200 rpm
Optical Drive DVD SuperMulti
Display 15.6" LED backlight 1920 x 1080 / Full HD
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M - 2 GB DDR3
Keyboard made SteelSeries (tm)
Networking Bluetooth 4.0, 802.11ac , Gigabit Ethernet
Battery 6-cell
Dimensions (WxDxH)38.3 cm x 24.9 cm x 3.7 cm
Weight 2.4 kg
Manufacturer Warranty 2 years warranty

User video reviews (with pros and cons):
Short version - youtube.com/wat…TaE
Long version - youtube.com/wat…21s
Higher spec model: youtube.com/wat…BPI

MSI product page: msi.com/pro…tml

Dabs.com on Trust Pilot: uk.trustpilot.com/rev…com

"I would recommend putting a SSD in it. These have a spare mSata slot so you could boot from that and have the 1TB as storage.
Random Youtube Guide here: youtube.com/watch?v=kSR-RSs9bpY" - EagleUK

For those who want a GTX 960m, consider the Acer Nitro V. Great spec/price, though I thought the screen was a bit dim and the keyboard v.average:
laptopsdirect.co.uk/Ace…asp
Also note the retailer: uk.trustpilot.com/rev…net
Alternative retailer: ballicom.co.uk/nxm…tml

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is this a model with backlit keyboard though ?

Original Poster

deancross503

is this a model with backlit keyboard though ?



Not backlit according to the comments in this review: youtube.com/wat…TaE

Banned

"Gaming"... eh. 850m won't get you far at all.

Does it really come with DOS? no OS i could understand but I'd be very surprised if someone was installing a copy of IBM PC DOS or Microsoft MS-DOS on it.....

Heated anyway as despite other comments I think it's a decent price for a "gaming" laptop with dedicated graphics with FHD display and enough grunt for mid level gaming
Edited by: "Uridium" 27th Jun 2015

Original Poster

neilanderton1

"Gaming"... eh. 850m won't get you far at all.



GTX 850m is fine at 1080p in Medium. I have the same GPU in an Asus N550JK.

960m, 970m, 980m is obviously more powerful but you're looking at starting price of £750 to £1500 depending on the GPU.

Original Poster

Uridium

Does it really come with DOS? no OS i could understand but I'd be very … Does it really come with DOS? no OS i could understand but I'd be very surprised if someone was installing a copy of IBM PC DOS or Microsoft MS-DOS on it.....Heated anyway as despite other comments I think it's a decent price for a "gaming" laptop with dedicated graphics with FHD display and enough grunt for mid level gaming



It comes with FreeDOS, presumably to keep the cost down, which is practically the same as having no OS.

Pretty straightforward to install Windows though. Just boot up from the CD or a flash stick:

youtube.com/wat…X_A
Edited by: "Picard123" 27th Jun 2015

A few months late. I paid £563 for mine and included Windows...
hotukdeals.com/dea…896

Original Poster

Joe90_guy

A few months late. I paid £563 for mine and included … A few months late. I paid £563 for mine and included Windows...http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/asus-n551jk-cn073h-15-6-inch-full-hd-led-notebook-intel-core-i5-4200h-2-80ghz-8gb-2111896



That's a great price but the prices on the N550JKs have rocketed since then for some reason. The i7s are just shy of £800 on Amazon at the moment. If the Asus 1080p i5-H version was available for £599, I'd be recommending that but they're nowhere to be seen at that price.


Edited by: "Picard123" 27th Jun 2015

Sorry this is not a good deal! By the time you have bought an OS, upgraded the ram, you will want an SSD as mechanical drives are way too slow if your after a "fast" laptop. The graphics card is meh!

I think it's a great price for the spec, heat from me

Original Poster

Graham1979

Sorry this is not a good deal! By the time you have bought an OS, … Sorry this is not a good deal! By the time you have bought an OS, upgraded the ram, you will want an SSD as mechanical drives are way too slow if your after a "fast" laptop. The graphics card is meh!



LOL. It's a great deal. Show me a laptop with this spec and at this price where they throw in a 250gb or more SSD.

As for Windows, you can get 8.1 for ~£30 if you know where to look.

Nothing meh about the GTX 850m. You're certainly not going to get anything better at this price. Look at the benchmarks:

notebookcheck.net/NVI…tml

As I said in my previous post, you could go for a laptop with a 960m, 970m, or 980m which is obviously more powerful but you're looking at starting price of £750 to £1500 depending on the GPU. This is £599.

As for upgrading the RAM, I'm trying to hold back my laughter X).......but please - do explain why you'd need 16gb in a laptop like this.


Edited by: "Picard123" 27th Jun 2015

True, hardly any game needs 4gb ram, and maybe one in the world requires 8gb, but i doubt it, and nothing will require 16gb now or in 5 years.

Graham1979

Sorry this is not a good deal! By the time you have bought an OS, … Sorry this is not a good deal! By the time you have bought an OS, upgraded the ram, you will want an SSD as mechanical drives are way too slow if your after a "fast" laptop. The graphics card is meh!


I'm currently playing Wolfenstein: The New Order at 1080p on High settings. It looks fabulous and plays smoothly. What's meh about that?

Joe90_guy

I'm currently playing Wolfenstein: The New Order at 1080p on High … I'm currently playing Wolfenstein: The New Order at 1080p on High settings. It looks fabulous and plays smoothly. What's meh about that?



and the FPS? ALL wolf games have been, how can I put this, designed to run on lesser able PC's to have appeal to the wider market. anything ending in 50 in the nvidia series is a lower-mid spec card at best, describing this as a gaming laptop is not really accurate. enjoy your card cooking and burning out very shortly.

Banned

for this laptop 500 pounds is daily price or cheaper if discount = cold.

Not bad.

If you want premium feel, backlit keyboard, windows installed, albeit with a slower GPU and CPU then the lenovo flex 2 pro is back in stock @ £499
pcworld.co.uk/gbu…tml
Edited by: "jaydeeuk1" 28th Jun 2015

I know this is a budget gaming laptop but will it handle games like boderlands, skyrim, early batman etc playably? If not are there any other suggestions around this priceor a little more? Thanks

Neckbeard

I know this is a budget gaming laptop but will it handle games like … I know this is a budget gaming laptop but will it handle games like boderlands, skyrim, early batman etc playably? If not are there any other suggestions around this priceor a little more? Thanks



Yeah I play GTA5 on high @ 1080 on mine.

Very good laptop IMO, keyboard is great!

dont forget tcb 4.2%

I doubt this spec has the IPS screen like the more expensive models in the range?

It's ridiculous not to supply with laptop with at least Windows 8.1 with bing. I dislike that operating system with a vengence, however Windows 7 now requires about one gigabyte of security updates to get it up to speed and takes at least half a day to download and install. And that doesn't include all the sata, chipset video drivers etc from the msi website which should be used if you're really going to take advantage of this machine.

Daytrader

True, hardly any game needs 4gb ram, and maybe one in the world requires … True, hardly any game needs 4gb ram, and maybe one in the world requires 8gb, but i doubt it, and nothing will require 16gb now or in 5 years.



RAM is only half of the story. Commit charge is crucial to determine how much virtual address space is being used including RAM usage. A game might show 2GB RAM used but it could be using twice the amount in virtual address space. If you have pagefile enabled it shouldn't matter too much unless you use all that up too.

EagleUK

Yeah I play GTA5 on high @ 1080 on mine.Very good laptop IMO, keyboard is … Yeah I play GTA5 on high @ 1080 on mine.Very good laptop IMO, keyboard is great!



notebookcheck.net/NVI…tml

high 1920x1080 29 fps

neilanderton1

"Gaming"... eh. 850m won't get you far at all.



Used one? I have, great card for the money. As long as you stick with 720p you will get good results with high settings in games.

Not bad price but the graphics are a bit outdated now.

It's interesting...
All of the folks that actually own an 850M are very happy with it in terms of performance. They're also happy in the knowledge that they didn't overpay a huge premium for a better card to get a few extra FPS and which will be run-of-the mill in 18 month time.
All of the folks that don't own an 850M just sneer and offer up shock-horror drivel about the card burning out (yeah, right!). I'm surprised that the same people haven't yet ripped into the i5-4210M CPU yet with inane comments about how an i7 is an absolute must for gaming.
One of the great benefits of age is that you learn to totally ignore these smug, self-opinionated jokers, trust your own judgement not just on laptops but cars, phones, etc and as a consequence, be a lot happier with life.

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jasee

It's ridiculous not to supply with laptop with at least Windows 8.1 with … It's ridiculous not to supply with laptop with at least Windows 8.1 with bing. I dislike that operating system with a vengence, however Windows 7 now requires about one gigabyte of security updates to get it up to speed and takes at least half a day to download and install. And that doesn't include all the sata, chipset video drivers etc from the msi website which should be used if you're really going to take advantage of this machine.



Windows 8.1 with Bing is only available on systems below £240 cost. Microsoft will not allow manufacturers to use it on anything they want.

Picard123

GTX 850m is fine at 1080p in Medium. I have the same GPU in an Asus … GTX 850m is fine at 1080p in Medium. I have the same GPU in an Asus N550JK.960m, 970m, 980m is obviously more powerful but you're looking at starting price of £750 to £1500 depending on the GPU.



Gaming is usually fine with a GTX 850m although I would recommend a GTX 860m (Maxwell not Kepler!) as a minimum nowadays. Games like The Witcher 3 will have to be run on the lowest settings possible to be playable on a GTX 850m at 1080p.

Prefer my £450 HP Envy. Much better processor, fantastic battery and a backlit keyboard although it does have a crappier card (840m).

Wildlotos

simply check diferent pages http://www.salidzini.lv/search.php?q=gtx+860m … simply check diferent pages http://www.salidzini.lv/search.php?q=gtx+860m and see the prices for gtx 860m start from 500 pounds



Are you having a laugh mate? Are you taking the p***? You must be. Very funny. Order from there shall we? Yeah looks totally legit lol

iLoveDeals101

Voted cold. You can get a lot cheaper here. … Voted cold. You can get a lot cheaper here. http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/cosmosIII-15/



You can always get Clevo laptops like them cheaper... but they aren't comparable.

drbrainsol

Gaming is usually fine with a GTX 850m although I would recommend a GTX … Gaming is usually fine with a GTX 850m although I would recommend a GTX 860m (Maxwell not Kepler!) as a minimum nowadays. Games like The Witcher 3 will have to be run on the lowest settings possible to be playable on a GTX 850m at 1080p.



Ummm no? I don't know why people always have to guess and have absolutely no idea about what the hardware is capable of. You can play on medium settings with AA, HBAO etc on with a steady FPS.

does anyone know if this would run city skylines ok?

paddymcd75

does anyone know if this would run city skylines ok?



Runs perfect for me, unlike many of the people guessing I own one. I would recommend putting a SSD in it. These have a spare mSata slot so you could boot from that and have the 1TB as storage.

Random Youtube Guide here: youtube.com/wat…bpY
Edited by: "EagleUK" 28th Jun 2015

Original Poster

EagleUK

These have a spare mSata slot so you could boot from that and have the … These have a spare mSata slot so you could boot from that and have the 1TB as storage. Random Youtube Guide here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSR-RSs9bpY



Useful to know. I've added that to the description.

Heat added, great that it has msata slot. Stick in a 240 GB ssd for the operating system, get a cheap copy of windows 8 then you are laughing when you get win 10. Good deal. I don't care if people think there are better or that the card isn't the fastest. This is a decent deal for a laptop that will run many games

jasee

It's ridiculous not to supply with laptop with at least Windows 8.1 with … It's ridiculous not to supply with laptop with at least Windows 8.1 with bing. I dislike that operating system with a vengence, however Windows 7 now requires about one gigabyte of security updates to get it up to speed and takes at least half a day to download and install. And that doesn't include all the sata, chipset video drivers etc from the msi website which should be used if you're really going to take advantage of this machine.



Windows 10 is out in a month and you get a free upgrade from win 7. Not an issue.

EagleUK

Ummm no? I don't know why people always have to guess and have absolutely … Ummm no? I don't know why people always have to guess and have absolutely no idea about what the hardware is capable of. You can play on medium settings with AA, HBAO etc on with a steady FPS.



On full HD at a minimum of 30 FPS? No chance. And it's not me who says it. Quote from Notebookcheck:

"Stronger GPUs, like the GeForce GTX 850M or the GTX 860M, can manage a resolution of 1366x768 pixels and the Medium preset. High details and a resolution of 1920x1080 pixels are only possible once you have a GeForce GTX 880M or higher"

You can see how well the GTX 850m is doing in a lot of games HERE.

Also, I just upgraded my laptop to be able to play The Witcher 3 so I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that the GTX 850m is not a decent card, just letting people know that there are games which are already pushing it to its limits so it's not really future proof.

Dabs sent me a laptop with faulty speakers which I returned. A postman picked it up and I was refunded after 3ish weeks.

I would not recommend them tbh.
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