MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (Ryzen) £115.47 @ Amazon Prime
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MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon (Ryzen) £115.47 @ Amazon Prime

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Found 16th Nov
One of the best Ryzen Motherboards available and now at the lowest price I've seen it at. I bought one for £129.99 from Amazon earlier today and just cancelled and re-ordered after seeing the price had come down.

It's the top end X370 chipset and this deal makes it only £6 more than the cheaper B350 chipset. So for me it's a no-brainer to go for the X370 at this price.

Note: Prime Members only

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Sounds like you know it's good deal. Heat.

The lower end B350 version of this board usually sells for this much, so definitely a good price.

I have owned this motherboard for several months now, it has caused me many different problems with overclocking and stability. Since the latest bios updates and updates to ryzen, I feel that it is in an OK state but still has a massive room for improvement. Unless what you are aiming for is the cheapest possible x370, I'd recommend spending more and getting a different one.
Edited by: "Mac3312" 16th Nov

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Mac33123 m ago

I have owned this motherboard for several months now, it has caused me …I have owned this motherboard for several months now, it has caused me many different problems with overclocking and stability. Since the latest bios updates and updates to ryzen, I feel that it is in an OK state but still has a massive room for improvement. Unless what you are aiming for is the cheapest possible x370, I'd recommend spending more and getting a different one.


From what I've read, just about every Ryzen motherboard had issues at one time or another. And most seem to have been ironed out. Personally, I will probably only overclock to 3.7Ghz and only once it's already stable at stock. But thanks for the heads up.

Camelcamelcamel agrees its a deal. Heat.

exclusively for prime members? you should probably add that to the description.

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michaeljb15 m ago

exclusively for prime members? you should probably add that to the …exclusively for prime members? you should probably add that to the description.


I had no idea. Updated as suggested. Thanks!

Mac33121 h, 27 m ago

I have owned this motherboard for several months now, it has caused me …I have owned this motherboard for several months now, it has caused me many different problems with overclocking and stability. Since the latest bios updates and updates to ryzen, I feel that it is in an OK state but still has a massive room for improvement. Unless what you are aiming for is the cheapest possible x370, I'd recommend spending more and getting a different one.


Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every time i start my computer from cold i get 3 beeps, its very annoying and after speaking to MSI many times they say that its a failed overclock on the memory the memory is Corsair LED 3000mhz. Its 3000mhz and i expect to run it at that if it was intel it would im pissed off and have even thought about getting shut and going back to a i7, my previous i7 which was Haswell never once played up in the 3 years i owned it and my daughter has it now and its still running perfectly. Its a very nice looking board but its a nightmare if id have had the choice again i would have gone elsewhere Ive found MSI to be unhelpful aswell days to respond and no real answer to the issue, last week i upgraded to the new 1.9 bios and it was a nightmare 4 failed boots with 3 beeps before sucessful boot up so i went back to 1.8. If anyone has any ideas as to how to stop this id love to hear at the minute im sticking 1.4v up the memory any help would be appreciated.

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I can see this turning into a product review. Ah well.....it's good to have the benefit of people's experiences.
polly6957 m ago

Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every …Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every time i start my computer from cold i get 3 beeps, its very annoying and after speaking to MSI many times they say that its a failed overclock on the memory the memory is Corsair LED 3000mhz. Its 3000mhz and i expect to run it at that if it was intel it would im pissed off and have even thought about getting shut and going back to a i7, my previous i7 which was Haswell never once played up in the 3 years i owned it and my daughter has it now and its still running perfectly. Its a very nice looking board but its a nightmare if id have had the choice again i would have gone elsewhere Ive found MSI to be unhelpful aswell days to respond and no real answer to the issue, last week i upgraded to the new 1.9 bios and it was a nightmare 4 failed boots with 3 beeps before sucessful boot up so i went back to 1.8. If anyone has any ideas as to how to stop this id love to hear at the minute im sticking 1.4v up the memory any help would be appreciated.

If anyone has any ideas as to how to stop this id love to hear

A large hammer?

polly692 h, 59 m ago

Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every …Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every time i start my computer from cold i get 3 beeps, its very annoying and after speaking to MSI many times they say that its a failed overclock on the memory the memory is Corsair LED 3000mhz. Its 3000mhz and i expect to run it at that if it was intel it would im pissed off and have even thought about getting shut and going back to a i7, my previous i7 which was Haswell never once played up in the 3 years i owned it and my daughter has it now and its still running perfectly. Its a very nice looking board but its a nightmare if id have had the choice again i would have gone elsewhere Ive found MSI to be unhelpful aswell days to respond and no real answer to the issue, last week i upgraded to the new 1.9 bios and it was a nightmare 4 failed boots with 3 beeps before sucessful boot up so i went back to 1.8. If anyone has any ideas as to how to stop this id love to hear at the minute im sticking 1.4v up the memory any help would be appreciated.

Ryzen is just crap with some types of memory, especially the Hynix based ones.

I’ve got 3200 lpx vengeance and can’t post beyond 2800mhz.

When you use a brand new architecture like this will always expect problems like this.

bouttime26 h, 23 m ago

From what I've read, just about every Ryzen motherboard had issues at one …From what I've read, just about every Ryzen motherboard had issues at one time or another. And most seem to have been ironed out. Personally, I will probably only overclock to 3.7Ghz and only once it's already stable at stock. But thanks for the heads up.




Can only speak for the ASRock B350M Pro 4, but I've had no issues at all with that board. 3.9Ghz overclock at 1.3v on a R5 1600, 2933mhz on two different sets of Hynix RAM (2x4Gb Corsair and 2x8Gb Team Group).
Updated the BIOS after putting the system together months ago. Haven't changed it since. Really hassle free.

polly697 h, 2 m ago

Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every …Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every time i start my computer from cold i get 3 beeps, its very annoying and after speaking to MSI many times they say that its a failed overclock on the memory the memory is Corsair LED 3000mhz. Its 3000mhz and i expect to run it at that if it was intel it would im pissed off and have even thought about getting shut and going back to a i7, my previous i7 which was Haswell never once played up in the 3 years i owned it and my daughter has it now and its still running perfectly. Its a very nice looking board but its a nightmare if id have had the choice again i would have gone elsewhere Ive found MSI to be unhelpful aswell days to respond and no real answer to the issue, last week i upgraded to the new 1.9 bios and it was a nightmare 4 failed boots with 3 beeps before sucessful boot up so i went back to 1.8. If anyone has any ideas as to how to stop this id love to hear at the minute im sticking 1.4v up the memory any help would be appreciated.

With my crosshair 6 hero, after updating the bios around 4 months ago, I've been getting my gskill rgb trident z ram running at its advertised speed of 3200mhz. The only thing I can recommend is trying all the different xmp profiles.
Oh actually, I had similar issues at launch where I couldn't even get past speeds of 2200mhz, but found that I needed to do a clean install of windows, because its a new architecture you can't just transfer yout hard drive from your old pc and expect everything to work.
Once that's done you should also visit AMD's site and download the latest AMD Ryzen chipset drivers, then if you're still facing issues try resetting your bios, removing your hardware like cpu, ram and gpu and the reassembling everything but making sure you don't clamp the cpu cooler down too hard anf then reset your bios one last time. This should help and I've seen tech youtubers follow similar steps.
Hope this helps,
Edited by: "technobot" 17th Nov

polly6912 h, 38 m ago

Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every …Me to ive had it since launch i paid £179 from Scan and near enough every time i start my computer from cold i get 3 beeps, its very annoying and after speaking to MSI many times they say that its a failed overclock on the memory the memory is Corsair LED 3000mhz. Its 3000mhz and i expect to run it at that if it was intel it would im pissed off and have even thought about getting shut and going back to a i7, my previous i7 which was Haswell never once played up in the 3 years i owned it and my daughter has it now and its still running perfectly. Its a very nice looking board but its a nightmare if id have had the choice again i would have gone elsewhere Ive found MSI to be unhelpful aswell days to respond and no real answer to the issue, last week i upgraded to the new 1.9 bios and it was a nightmare 4 failed boots with 3 beeps before sucessful boot up so i went back to 1.8. If anyone has any ideas as to how to stop this id love to hear at the minute im sticking 1.4v up the memory any help would be appreciated.


while not ideal have you tried dialling back the speed of the memory in the bios then using software (eg ryzen master) to set a memory overclock, ive seen results of many people where this works especially with these msi boards, it seems the system can run it (perhaps even faster, 3200?) but the bios is just flaky and and wont get past boot, sometimes even at the memory stock of 3000. Just note if you want to go higher than stock that overvolting can only be done in the bios, so you might wanna up the voltage (eg 1.375v) but down the speed (2666) in the bios, but then up the speed in the software (3200 go for it ). silly i know but worth a try.
Also you can keep stock memory speed and oc the chipset/NB/SOC (different names on different boards) for a system wide incrase in speed, and ive also heard increasing the chipset/NB/SOC voltage can help get more stable memory oc's. YMMV. id have a ready about before oc the chipset personally, you only want a slight increase. Good luck.

Reading this thread and seeing people complain about generic Ryzen/Motherboard issues should probably be a large flashing warning sign about the chipset and CPU in general.

Hopefully when the next batch of Ryzen comes out, they address the mobo/RAM issues.

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Nate14921 h, 50 m ago

Reading this thread and seeing people complain about generic …Reading this thread and seeing people complain about generic Ryzen/Motherboard issues should probably be a large flashing warning sign about the chipset and CPU in general.Hopefully when the next batch of Ryzen comes out, they address the mobo/RAM issues.

The issues are with the overclocking so there are many variables there that can cause issues. Even down to the capability of the overclocker. At stock Ryzen appears to be very good news.

Nate14924 h, 32 m ago

Reading this thread and seeing people complain about generic …Reading this thread and seeing people complain about generic Ryzen/Motherboard issues should probably be a large flashing warning sign about the chipset and CPU in general.Hopefully when the next batch of Ryzen comes out, they address the mobo/RAM issues.


The only issues are:
1. Cold booting causes the pc to quickly reset a few times, this adds an extra 8 or so seconds to boot. But this is easily remedied by not switching your computer off at the socket or psu.
2. RAM not running at the correct speed, this is usually due to it not being supported at this time, support should arrive soon and I agree that updates shouldn't be taking long. But, this is not a huge issue either if you've done research before and checked the QVL on your motherboard site, you'll be able to buy RAM that will run at advertised speed.

Ryzen is great and I have no regrets at all, even when my ram wasn't running at its advertised speed, it didn't affect performace that much, obvs now that my ram is running at 3200mhz, I get an extra 10% fps.
With Ryzen I can a browser, instances of photoshop, premiere pro and games running at the same time and it's handled with ease. I have a 1700x.
And I'm not a fanboy either, I have 2 high end intel systems in the house as well, and they're great too but you do pay so much extra with intel.

bouttime22 h, 49 m ago

The issues are with the overclocking so there are many variables there …The issues are with the overclocking so there are many variables there that can cause issues. Even down to the capability of the overclocker. At stock Ryzen appears to be very good news.



Stock Ryzen? That's literally the first time I've heard someone even suggest you run Ryzen at stock.

At stock, Ryzen gets spanked and only looks attractive against the non k intel chips when you OC when comparing across the same price range.

techpowerup.com/rev…tml

technobot11 m ago

The only issues are:1. Cold booting causes the pc to quickly reset a few …The only issues are:1. Cold booting causes the pc to quickly reset a few times, this adds an extra 8 or so seconds to boot. But this is easily remedied by not switching your computer off at the socket or psu.2. RAM not running at the correct speed, this is usually due to it not being supported at this time, support should arrive soon and I agree that updates shouldn't be taking long. But, this is not a huge issue either if you've done research before and checked the QVL on your motherboard site, you'll be able to buy RAM that will run at advertised speed.Ryzen is great and I have no regrets at all, even when my ram wasn't running at its advertised speed, it didn't affect performace that much, obvs now that my ram is running at 3200mhz, I get an extra 10% fps.With Ryzen I can a browser, instances of photoshop, premiere pro and games running at the same time and it's handled with ease. I have a 1700x.And I'm not a fanboy either, I have 2 high end intel systems in the house as well, and they're great too but you do pay so much extra with intel.



I mean, you do realize that your workload you just described doesn't tax multicore CPUs, right?

All of those tasks: Browser, Photosohp, Permiere Pro, and most games only tax the CPU while they are the active task, right?

A browser doesn't' tie up a CPU core.

I mean, the CPU is still good, but attributing things that are not specifically related to the Ryzen CPU seems a bit silly.

Also, all those issues you described, to me, are headaches. If I know there is a really high chance that I'll buy a brand new CPU and I'll have to work out why it doesn't work right away? Pass.

I want to tinker to make it better, not tinker to make it *simply work*.

Nate14922 h, 32 m ago

I mean, you do realize that your workload you just described doesn't tax …I mean, you do realize that your workload you just described doesn't tax multicore CPUs, right?All of those tasks: Browser, Photosohp, Permiere Pro, and most games only tax the CPU while they are the active task, right?A browser doesn't' tie up a CPU core.I mean, the CPU is still good, but attributing things that are not specifically related to the Ryzen CPU seems a bit silly.Also, all those issues you described, to me, are headaches. If I know there is a really high chance that I'll buy a brand new CPU and I'll have to work out why it doesn't work right away? Pass.I want to tinker to make it better, not tinker to make it *simply work*.

Yeah I do know that but this is while premiere pro os renderering, a video is being streamed through the browser (I watch a lot of youtube) and I'm working in photoshop, the game was also paused. Granted this is not something I do often but it's really cool knowing that it's capable of easily doing all this and at the same time running a lot cooler on a small air cooler than some of Intels new processors, which are funnily enough running quite hot nowadays overclocked.
I'm not trying to sell you onto AMD, just pointing out my experiences, it's a hell of a cpu for streaming while gaming too. I use both brands but you have to admit that if it weren't for AMD, intel would still be selling you quad core processors at insane prices with minor improvements, Ryzen has introduced competition so it's only good for all of us.

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Nate14924 h, 16 m ago

Stock Ryzen? That's literally the first time I've heard someone even …Stock Ryzen? That's literally the first time I've heard someone even suggest you run Ryzen at stock.At stock, Ryzen gets spanked and only looks attractive against the non k intel chips when you OC when comparing across the same price range.https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8400/18.html

Err.... Non K intel is the same as non-overcocked ryzen. Ie......neither are overclocked!??

bouttime21 h, 43 m ago

Err.... Non K intel is the same as non-overcocked ryzen. Ie......neither …Err.... Non K intel is the same as non-overcocked ryzen. Ie......neither are overclocked!??


When comparing performance of the non k Intel, they vastly outperform similar priced non OC'd Ryzen CPUs.

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Nate14925 h, 12 m ago

When comparing performance of the non k Intel, they vastly outperform …When comparing performance of the non k Intel, they vastly outperform similar priced non OC'd Ryzen CPUs.

At what? And Pound for Pound? For gaming maybe yes Intel wins marginally currently and at low resolutions like 720p where the GPU is not the bottleneck. In real world there is little difference especially at 1440p and above. Productivity? Nope, and not even close. Ryzen wipes the floor with Coffee Lake. Single Core Intel wins p4p by a little. Multi Core AMD p4p wins by some distance. CPU usage when gaming can be around 30-40% compared to Intel at 90-100%.
Edited by: "bouttime2" 18th Nov

bouttime24 h, 5 m ago

At what? And Pound for Pound? Gaming?? ..... Maybe yes, marginally and and …At what? And Pound for Pound? Gaming?? ..... Maybe yes, marginally and and the moment. Productivity? Nope, not even close. Ryzen wipes the floor with Coffee Lake. Single Core Intel wins p4p just. Multi Core AMD p4p wins by some distance.


Have you not actually looked?

The i5 8400 is decimating the Ryzen 1600 and lower chips. It's 6 cores, very cheap, very fast.

Also, I want you to tell me what you consider "Productivity" because *everyone* gets it completely wrong when they actually speak out and say what they consider productivity, Ryzen actually loses.

If it isn't rendering and you don't have more cores on the Ryzen, you don't get any better performance.

Nate14922 h, 16 m ago

Have you not actually looked?The i5 8400 is decimating the Ryzen 1600 and …Have you not actually looked?The i5 8400 is decimating the Ryzen 1600 and lower chips. It's 6 cores, very cheap, very fast.Also, I want you to tell me what you consider "Productivity" because *everyone* gets it completely wrong when they actually speak out and say what they consider productivity, Ryzen actually loses.If it isn't rendering and you don't have more cores on the Ryzen, you don't get any better performance.


At the end of the day the difference in performance really isn't huge, I wouldn't say its "decimating". a few games show the 1600 being neck and neck, maybe even a frame faster, but yeah a lot of games show the i5 8400 being a small amount faster. In future games may got optimized to better make use of more cores, at which time ryzen cpu's may benefit.
Who really cares though, the i5 8400 came out a long time after the ryzen 1600. I think you are mainly a gamer and if so then, yes at the moment, intel is the way to go to get maximum fps, but for everyone else who doesn't care about a small increase in fps and just game casually it's really no big deal, you're still getting a pretty good cpu, and you won't have to cough up extra cash for a new motherboard when you eventually upgrade the cpu because the AM4 platform will be around for at least 4 years. Unlike Intel where it's a new socket every generation and if your motherboard fails outside of warranty, good luck finding a replacement, you usually have to buy used. Ryzen gen 2 is just around the corner too.

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Nate14926 h, 46 m ago

Have you not actually looked?The i5 8400 is decimating the Ryzen 1600 and …Have you not actually looked?The i5 8400 is decimating the Ryzen 1600 and lower chips. It's 6 cores, very cheap, very fast.Also, I want you to tell me what you consider "Productivity" because *everyone* gets it completely wrong when they actually speak out and say what they consider productivity, Ryzen actually loses.If it isn't rendering and you don't have more cores on the Ryzen, you don't get any better performance.


Yes I've looked. You can look yourself too if you like.

For gaming Intel wins. 8 months after Ryzen raised the bar, Intel raises the bar again. Ryzen 2 in February will probably raise the bar again and so on, so on.

For Blender, Adobe etc, Ryzen wins comfortably. You've said everyone gets it wrong but where I think you've got it wrong is only comparing the 8600K to the 1600X. I paid £206 for my 1700 brand new which includes a decent cooler. They can more generally be had for under £250. The 1700 is actually worse than the 1600X for gaming at stock frequencies but for anything other than gaming it's simply a fair bit quicker. Make Pound 4 Pound comparisons. Not Core 4 Core or Thread 4 Thread.

technobot10 h, 0 m ago

At the end of the day the difference in performance really isn't huge, I …At the end of the day the difference in performance really isn't huge, I wouldn't say its "decimating". a few games show the 1600 being neck and neck, maybe even a frame faster, but yeah a lot of games show the i5 8400 being a small amount faster. In future games may got optimized to better make use of more cores, at which time ryzen cpu's may benefit. Who really cares though, the i5 8400 came out a long time after the ryzen 1600. I think you are mainly a gamer and if so then, yes at the moment, intel is the way to go to get maximum fps, but for everyone else who doesn't care about a small increase in fps and just game casually it's really no big deal, you're still getting a pretty good cpu, and you won't have to cough up extra cash for a new motherboard when you eventually upgrade the cpu because the AM4 platform will be around for at least 4 years. Unlike Intel where it's a new socket every generation and if your motherboard fails outside of warranty, good luck finding a replacement, you usually have to buy used. Ryzen gen 2 is just around the corner too.


The 1600 and the 8400 have the same amount of cores btw.

But you are wrong in one line here.

You are suggesting the AM4 platform will be 'around for a least 4 years'. Not even AMD have said that, they said it *should* be compatible until 2020.

Yeah, that's actually just 2 years. And AMD have done the 'new socket every 2 generations' just like Intel have.

Don't forget the AM2, AM2+, AM3, AM3+ were less than 2 years apart from each other. (May 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011).

And then of course, from 2011 to 2017, AMD had a disaster in terms of CPU success, so they stopped making new CPUs.

Anyway, I say it again, who actually upgrades a CPU within a 2 year period?

Also, it's not just about games, most 'productivity' tasks actually fall into the Intel camp.

techpowerup.com/rev…tml

Office, Excel, Photoshop, MP3 Encoding, H.264, and H.265 encoding, all Browser related tests, and quite a few computational tasks.

If you aren't rendering, you aren't seeing better Ryzen performance. If you spend a significant portion of your day rendering, the Ryzen 1700 is an awesome chip for performance. There are certainly use cases for it being the sweet spot.

But to say, flat out, that the Ryzen set of chips is "better at productivity" is just fictional.

bouttime25 h, 42 m ago

Yes I've looked. You can look yourself too if you like.For gaming Intel …Yes I've looked. You can look yourself too if you like.For gaming Intel wins. 8 months after Ryzen raised the bar, Intel raises the bar again. Ryzen 2 in February will probably raise the bar again and so on, so on.For Blender, Adobe etc, Ryzen wins comfortably. You've said everyone gets it wrong but where I think you've got it wrong is only comparing the 8600K to the 1600X. I paid £206 for my 1700 brand new which includes a decent cooler. They can more generally be had for under £250. The 1700 is actually worse than the 1600X for gaming at stock frequencies but for anything other than gaming it's simply a fair bit quicker. Make Pound 4 Pound comparisons. Not Core 4 Core or Thread 4 Thread.


There we go, you said the words I was looking for! Now I can actually show you the benchmarks for each of those tests.

So let's start with...

1) I5 8400 is a 6 core chip.

2) SMT/HT is great at rendering, bad at, pretty much everything else.

3) Ryzen is good for Rendering, no questions.

4) Phtoshop runs far better on Intel, even the i3 7100 beats the Ryzen 1800x. It is not a contest, it is a thrashing.
techpowerup.com/rev…tml


5) You said 'etc' as if everything else was a win for Ryzen, yet, this link shows that Intel wins at Office, Excel, Powerpoint, Photoshop, Full AV scans, and every Browser test available (Google Octane, Mozilla Kraken, WebXPRT).

You bought your 1700 for a good price, at a good time, no issues with that. The cost now, though, is 270 quid. If you can find one for 250, post it on HotUK deals, as that's a super Hot Price. The last time it was posted at 250 (through Amazon France) it was 500+ heat.

This puts it into price contention with the 8700 (non k), which can be had for 269 quid. hotukdeals.com/dea…873

Also, I was comparing the 8400 to the 1600x, as I think they fall in the same performance point, at 100 quid cheaper for the 8400. I think the 8400 blows the 6 core Ryzen chips out of the water (Except for rendering!).

Thanks OP mine just arrived

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Nate14928 h, 38 m ago

There we go, you said the words I was looking for! Now I can actually show …There we go, you said the words I was looking for! Now I can actually show you the benchmarks for each of those tests.So let's start with...1) I5 8400 is a 6 core chip.2) SMT/HT is great at rendering, bad at, pretty much everything else.3) Ryzen is good for Rendering, no questions.4) Phtoshop runs far better on Intel, even the i3 7100 beats the Ryzen 1800x. It is not a contest, it is a thrashing.https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8400/7.html5) You said 'etc' as if everything else was a win for Ryzen, yet, this link shows that Intel wins at Office, Excel, Powerpoint, Photoshop, Full AV scans, and every Browser test available (Google Octane, Mozilla Kraken, WebXPRT).You bought your 1700 for a good price, at a good time, no issues with that. The cost now, though, is 270 quid. If you can find one for 250, post it on HotUK deals, as that's a super Hot Price. The last time it was posted at 250 (through Amazon France) it was 500+ heat. This puts it into price contention with the 8700 (non k), which can be had for 269 quid. https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/intel-8700-non-k-at-amazon-for-26934-2826873Also, I was comparing the 8400 to the 1600x, as I think they fall in the same performance point, at 100 quid cheaper for the 8400. I think the 8400 blows the 6 core Ryzen chips out of the water (Except for rendering!).


In all your obvious excitement I believe you made a typo. Did you just say the 8400 is 100 quid cheaper than the 1600X?

AriaPC have the 1600X for sale at £189. Alza.co.uk have the 1600 at £169. The 8400 is listed at upwards of £180 but not in stock anywhere that I can see. By the time these things are actually available to the masses in numbers that do not cause the price to inflate, Ryzen will be 9-10 months old.

Oh and AriaPC have the 1700 for sale at £254.99.
Edited by: "bouttime2" 18th Nov

bouttime27 h, 47 m ago

In all your obvious excitement I believe you made a typo. Did you just say …In all your obvious excitement I believe you made a typo. Did you just say the 8400 is 100 quid cheaper than the 1600X?AriaPC have the 1600X for sale at £189. Alza.co.uk have the 1600 at £169. The 8400 is listed at upwards of £180 but not in stock anywhere that I can see. By the time these things are actually available to the masses in numbers that do not cause the price to inflate, Ryzen will be 9-10 months old.Oh and AriaPC have the 1700 for sale at £254.99.


Sure, it's not 100 quid, but is that all you got in a response?

The 8400 is a better CPU, can you at least acknowledge that? Or are you so hung up with my comments that you will fail to acknowledge that?

Also, you clearly chose not to actually look for Intel 8400 sales.


shop.bt.com/pro…4e3


171 quid. Essentially the same price (169 v 171).

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Nate14923 h, 21 m ago

Sure, it's not 100 quid, but is that all you got in a response?The 8400 is …Sure, it's not 100 quid, but is that all you got in a response?The 8400 is a better CPU, can you at least acknowledge that? Or are you so hung up with my comments that you will fail to acknowledge that?Also, you clearly chose not to actually look for Intel 8400 sales.https://www.shop.bt.com/products/intel-core-i5-8400-8th-gen-s1151-2-80ghz-9mb-cache-coffee-lake-cpu-bx80684i58400-D54C.html?utm_source=awin&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_content=ZA0000&utm_source=awin&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_content=ZA00&awc=3043_1511072240_8c165e849e8d53165491856ac81bb4e3171 quid. Essentially the same price (169 v 171).

Oh dear you've done it again. At BT there are 9 on order with no confirmed delivery date. The price is as real as the launch. It's fictitious. And I love the way you dismiss your laughable 100 quid statement which was completely fictitious also.
Stick to the facts. And read (properly) and watch a few more reviews with an open mind if that's possible.

The 8400 for gaming really is fantastic. It's the best gaming CPU that money can't buy. But it's 9 months late and counting.

Additionally let's see what the retail versions of the 8400 actually perform like rather than samples sent out for review. Intel only guarantee the Base Clock these days from what I read. I wonder why?
Edited by: "bouttime2" 19th Nov

bouttime27 h, 12 m ago

Oh dear you've done it again. At BT there are 9 on order with no confirmed …Oh dear you've done it again. At BT there are 9 on order with no confirmed delivery date. The price is as real as the launch. It's fictitious. And I love the way you dismiss your laughable 100 quid statement which was completely fictitious also.Stick to the facts. And read (properly) and watch a few more reviews with an open mind if that's possible.The 8400 for gaming really is fantastic. It's the best gaming CPU that money can't buy. But it's 9 months late and counting.Additionally let's see what the retail versions of the 8400 actually perform like rather than samples sent out for review. Intel only guarantee the Base Clock these days from what I read. I wonder why?


If you don't like BT shop, 178 at novatech.

You keep making this joke that it is the 'best cpu money can't buy' yet I've seen people buy them, receive them, and use them.

novatech.co.uk/pro…BwE



How many retail sources do you want? I admitted when I was wrong about the price, it was simply a mental error looking at the wrong chip prices.

Your turn, you are wrong. Go for it, say it.

As for the non sample CPUs, I have had a look for some non sample reviews and found a couple, here's one for the 8700k. It certainly seems that the review samples and the retail samples are not different in any noticeable way from a small sample count at least.






The thing is, no one seems to advertise they are reviewing the retail version, you have to hunt in their videos for the chip picture or the box they open.

I suspect it's because they are virtually identical, but you can be the judge, watch the reviews if you want.

Anyway, the second dude's CPU goes to 3.8 ghz with stock cooler, so that seems like your 'golden review sample' theory is a fish out of water.

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Nate14921 h, 5 m ago

If you don't like BT shop, 178 at novatech.You keep making this joke that …If you don't like BT shop, 178 at novatech.You keep making this joke that it is the 'best cpu money can't buy' yet I've seen people buy them, receive them, and use them.https://www.novatech.co.uk/products/8th-generation-intel-core-i5-8400-2-8ghz-socket-lga1151-coffee-lake-processor-oem/cm8068403358811.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIp7yGsO3K1wIVQTwbCh2mPgZ3EAQYASABEgK31PD_BwE#utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=productsHow many retail sources do you want? I admitted when I was wrong about the price, it was simply a mental error looking at the wrong chip prices.Your turn, you are wrong. Go for it, say it.As for the non sample CPUs, I have had a look for some non sample reviews and found a couple, here's one for the 8700k. It certainly seems that the review samples and the retail samples are not different in any noticeable way from a small sample count at least.[Video] [Video] The thing is, no one seems to advertise they are reviewing the retail version, you have to hunt in their videos for the chip picture or the box they open.I suspect it's because they are virtually identical, but you can be the judge, watch the reviews if you want.Anyway, the second dude's CPU goes to 3.8 ghz with stock cooler, so that seems like your 'golden review sample' theory is a fish out of water.


Deary me..... That's an OEM model so no cooler. The retail version is out of stock until end of December and priced at £207

Look this sounds like it's getting personal for you. Just read before you post.

All I did was come on here and post a deal for a motherboard. I'm not sure what your problem is but you've just used this an an opportunity to rant about how Intel are so much better than AMD. It's off topic and nothing to do with this deal that I've posted. Get a grip.
Edited by: "bouttime2" 19th Nov

bouttime21 h, 9 m ago

Deary me..... That's an OEM model so no cooler. The retail version is out …Deary me..... That's an OEM model so no cooler. The retail version is out of stock until end of December and priced at £207Look this sounds like it's getting personal for you. Just read before you post.All I did was come on here and post a deal for a motherboard. I'm not sure what your problem is but you've just used this an an opportunity to rant about how Intel are so much better than AMD. It's off topic and nothing to do with this deal that I've posted. Get a grip.


Deary you?

I guess you can't admit when you are wrong. I get it, we can stop talking about it.

You can buy it now. The CPUs have been retail reviewed. And the I5 8400 is a good CPU.

Sure, it's an OEM, but that's really not much of a problem, it's just lacking the retail CPU cooler,

5.75 from Novatech. novatech.co.uk/pro…tml

But hey, it doesn't seem like you actually care about being able to buy it, you just want a narrative that agrees with you.

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What am I wrong about?

Same price on ebuyer

Thanks for all the suggestions ive tried 99% of those things, reset the bios flash bios back and forth remove parts put them back in 1 at a time re installed widows updated drivers. Like i said i have 1.4v to the memory and no beeps for over a week the ram works fine at 2133mhz no beeps but i didnt buy a 2133 kit i bought a 3000mhz kit and i knew all about these issues when i bought the memory so i went onto Scan and checked what ram they were using in there bundles and they were using the LED and the Vengeance so i got the LED. Im not running my 1700x overclocked as i wanted it to run correctly before causing more issues but im hoping that the extra voltage to the dimms has done the trick if the beeps come back i will up the voltage to the northbridge, but any more issues and i will be going back to a i7 as i dont need the hassle anymore i dont have the patience i used to have i just want to turn my machine on and it run properly i dont think im asking to much. Before this id had 3 i7 and no issues just built them and they worked. To the person who suggested not powering off the machine at the wall or the PSU do you think im stupid my PC is never unplugged and until i had LED dimms it was left in sleep mode most of the time.

polly6923 m ago

Thanks for all the suggestions ive tried 99% of those things, reset the …Thanks for all the suggestions ive tried 99% of those things, reset the bios flash bios back and forth remove parts put them back in 1 at a time re installed widows updated drivers. Like i said i have 1.4v to the memory and no beeps for over a week the ram works fine at 2133mhz no beeps but i didnt buy a 2133 kit i bought a 3000mhz kit and i knew all about these issues when i bought the memory so i went onto Scan and checked what ram they were using in there bundles and they were using the LED and the Vengeance so i got the LED. Im not running my 1700x overclocked as i wanted it to run correctly before causing more issues but im hoping that the extra voltage to the dimms has done the trick if the beeps come back i will up the voltage to the northbridge, but any more issues and i will be going back to a i7 as i dont need the hassle anymore i dont have the patience i used to have i just want to turn my machine on and it run properly i dont think im asking to much. Before this id had 3 i7 and no issues just built them and they worked. To the person who suggested not powering off the machine at the wall or the PSU do you think im stupid my PC is never unplugged and until i had LED dimms it was left in sleep mode most of the time.


You're absolutely right.

I've built 6 Intel i5 or i7 based computers in the past 3 years or so, and not once have I had issues.

I built one not 2 weeks ago, took 2 hours from unopened box till windows booted up. It was flawless and simple and each of those PCs, to this day, have had no issues. They were built for friends that would have not been able to handle any of the situations you described. This is reason number 1 that I would never recommend Ryzen, version 1, to anyone I build a PC for. I don't want the hassle that comes with, seemingly, most Ryzen CPU/Motherboards.

Especially, why other when the prices between the chips with similar performance is very small.

Insane price tbh. You can get the core of a fast Ryzen system (mobo + CPU) for less than £275 if you combine this - essentially a high-end board - with a nifty 6-core R5 1600 for £158 on OCUK BF deals (plus free Quake Champions game).

With prices apparently set to rise for all silicon next year, including CPUs, I might take the plunge. What's great about this mobo is its on the AM4 platform. So if you need more power next year, you can swap out the cheap as chips (but still fast) 1600 for their successor Ryzen+ CPUs which are due out around March 2018. Win win.
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