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Posted 20th Nov 2019Edited by:"Tacavas"

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But does it support 4th Gen Ryzens?!
Edited by: "steve_bezerker" 20th Nov 2019
Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough to build my own new PC...or a prebuilt one from CCL...
chapchap20/11/2019 15:51

Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough …Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough to build my own new PC...or a prebuilt one from CCL...


you might need a BIOs update for your CPU here

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Edited by: "Tacavas" 20th Nov 2019
steve_bezerker20/11/2019 15:48

But does it support 4th Gen Ryzens?! :/


No one knows yet. But AMD have stated that AM4 will be used till end of 2020 (Ryzen 4000). A320 boards (some/most?) supported Ryzen 3000 with a BIOS update.


I'd be surprised if the B450/X470 didn't support the new Ryzen 4000 CPUs with a BIOS update.
I don't expect the A320 etc. boards to support it though.
Christoh20/11/2019 15:55

No one knows yet. But AMD have stated that AM4 will be used till end of …No one knows yet. But AMD have stated that AM4 will be used till end of 2020 (Ryzen 4000). A320 boards (some/most?) supported Ryzen 3000 with a BIOS update.I'd be surprised if the B450/X470 didn't support the new Ryzen 4000 CPUs with a BIOS update. I don't expect the A320 etc. boards to support it though.


I meant it more as a joke but I'll take knowledge when it's given to me... thanks!
How does this compare to a tomahawk 450? Or a x570?
tempted but wasnt quite sure if this is a 'gaming' board. Then saw the reference to the gaming io cover and felt reassured.
chapchap20/11/2019 15:51

Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough …Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough to build my own new PC...or a prebuilt one from CCL...


As far as I'm aware, this doesn't support 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box and doesn't have bios flashback, so you'd need a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to perform the bios update…

The "Max" editions were added later and do support 3rd gen out of the box. I've built one recently with the Tomahawk Max and had zero problems.

The link below has a list of boards with bios flashback. It also gives VRM ratings so you can see which are recommended for the cpu you're intending to pair it with:

docs.google.com/spr…iew
@Tacavas just noticed this is under RAM>DDR4, don't think it makes any difference tbh but thought I'd mention it
Edited by: "AMasters007" 20th Nov 2019
X570s are cheap enough Aorus pro elite or ultra will no doubt drop in price, lots of features and good vrm temps. So im gunna hold out for a decent bf price
Lucifer_UK20/11/2019 17:24

X570s are cheap enough Aorus pro elite or ultra will no doubt drop in …X570s are cheap enough Aorus pro elite or ultra will no doubt drop in price, lots of features and good vrm temps. So im gunna hold out for a decent bf price


Better a top-notch B450/X470 than a bottom of the pile X570.
Whats the difference between this and the B450?
this or the MSI b450 Tomohawk max?
no idea how it compares to the new boards but I've been running it for a year and its a good board with good support.
tobefairfax20/11/2019 17:01

As far as I'm aware, this doesn't support 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box and …As far as I'm aware, this doesn't support 3rd gen Ryzen out of the box and doesn't have bios flashback, so you'd need a 1st or 2nd gen Ryzen to perform the bios update…The "Max" editions were added later and do support 3rd gen out of the box. I've built one recently with the Tomahawk Max and had zero problems.The link below has a list of boards with bios flashback. It also gives VRM ratings so you can see which are recommended for the cpu you're intending to pair it with:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview


Correct, although potentially an email to ebuyer asking them to flash the bios might mean they do it for you maybe for a small fee
DanHive20/11/2019 18:35

this or the MSI b450 Tomohawk max?


They are very similar feature wise, x470 gives you extra usb ports and a 2nd m.2 slot but they both have the same VRM.

The max supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box, the x470 needs a bios update. Unless ebuyer will do it for you then you would need a Ryzen 1000 or 2000 series CPU in order to update the bios. If you are pairing with an older 2000 CPU anyway then I'd probably go x470
nellybauer20/11/2019 21:15

They are very similar feature wise, x470 gives you extra usb ports and a …They are very similar feature wise, x470 gives you extra usb ports and a 2nd m.2 slot but they both have the same VRM.The max supports Ryzen 3000 out of the box, the x470 needs a bios update. Unless ebuyer will do it for you then you would need a Ryzen 1000 or 2000 series CPU in order to update the bios. If you are pairing with an older 2000 CPU anyway then I'd probably go x470



As I understood it, a second M.2 slot takes up PCI lanes, so it might be slower than just using a single M.2,
and that otherwise the second slot defaults to SATA. You save on having to use cables I guess

I'm not 100% on this, just mentioning it as a point of research, I'd probably go with a B450 Max just to avoid any bios issues
horsey20/11/2019 23:26

As I understood it, a second M.2 slot takes up PCI lanes, so it might be …As I understood it, a second M.2 slot takes up PCI lanes, so it might be slower than just using a single M.2,and that otherwise the second slot defaults to SATA. You save on having to use cables I guessI'm not 100% on this, just mentioning it as a point of research, I'd probably go with a B450 Max just to avoid any bios issues


you are right, it does pinch PCIE lanes or SATA ports but doesn't slow down the 1st M.2. This is from the manual from MSI website, so the top M.2 is PCIE 3.0 x4 only, 2nd M.2 can be either PCIE 2.0 x4 or SATA but means you lose the bottom PCIE slot or 1 of the SATA ports. To me that's ok as I'm very unlilely to have that manay expansion cards in the PCIE slots or use all 6 SATA ports.
Note that 2nd M.2 slot is PCIE 2.0 rather than 3.0, but actually the bandwidth for PCIE 2.0 x4 is still 2000MB/s (see table) so it will only throttle the fastest NVME SSDs that care capable of 3500MB/s but still fatser than SATA. So if having 2x M.2 is useful to you in saving cables or not have 2.5" SSD in the case or something, the X470 makes some sense as well as you can get most of the speed of a 2nd NVME drive in the 2nd slot too.

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The MSI B450 Carbon AC also has 2x M.2, but using the 2nd slot makes ALL of the other PCIE slots non-functional! That seems a bit extreme to me
Edited by: "nellybauer" 20th Nov 2019
I am really tempted to switch from my i7 6700k setup to an AMD 3700x. I was looking at what the components that I have are selling for on ebay and I wouldn't have to put too much money towards it at all and I could still use my memory and cooler. This motherboard looks really nice with the two M.2 slots.
chapchap20/11/2019 15:51

Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough …Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough to build my own new PC...or a prebuilt one from CCL...


I can confirm you will need to do a bios flash update, it's a bit tedious but it's fairly easy tbh as long as you have a machine to download the drivers on to a USB.
LiveShamz21/11/2019 11:24

I can confirm you will need to do a bios flash update, it's a bit tedious …I can confirm you will need to do a bios flash update, it's a bit tedious but it's fairly easy tbh as long as you have a machine to download the drivers on to a USB.


Thank you for confirming, very helpful
LiveShamz21/11/2019 11:24

I can confirm you will need to do a bios flash update, it's a bit tedious …I can confirm you will need to do a bios flash update, it's a bit tedious but it's fairly easy tbh as long as you have a machine to download the drivers on to a USB.


Tacavas21/11/2019 11:58

Thank you for confirming, very helpful


Wouldn't you also need an older compatible processor to do that?
Gormond21/11/2019 13:10

Wouldn't you also need an older compatible processor to do that?


As long as you have another machine (or even the one you are upgrading, the drivers can be downloaded at any time for later use) and a usb stick for the drivers you're good to go, you can flash the bios from the usb so no need for another (older) processor. Quite a handy feature that most boards don't have, then again most boards aren't compatible with such a range of CPU’s as they usually require an upgrade each generation, yes Intel I'm looking at you with your 1151 socket that isn't compatible with half your 1151 line! What in the hell was that about!?

Edit: This board does not have flashback please disregard, was confusing this with the B450 Gaming Pro which does weirdly enough
Edited by: "AMasters007" 21st Nov 2019
nellybauer20/11/2019 23:53

you are right, it does pinch PCIE lanes or SATA ports but doesn't slow …you are right, it does pinch PCIE lanes or SATA ports but doesn't slow down the 1st M.2. This is from the manual from MSI website, so the top M.2 is PCIE 3.0 x4 only, 2nd M.2 can be either PCIE 2.0 x4 or SATA but means you lose the bottom PCIE slot or 1 of the SATA ports. To me that's ok as I'm very unlilely to have that manay expansion cards in the PCIE slots or use all 6 SATA ports.Note that 2nd M.2 slot is PCIE 2.0 rather than 3.0, but actually the bandwidth for PCIE 2.0 x4 is still 2000MB/s (see table) so it will only throttle the fastest NVME SSDs that care capable of 3500MB/s but still fatser than SATA. So if having 2x M.2 is useful to you in saving cables or not have 2.5" SSD in the case or something, the X470 makes some sense as well as you can get most of the speed of a 2nd NVME drive in the 2nd slot too.[Image] [Image] The MSI B450 Carbon AC also has 2x M.2, but using the 2nd slot makes ALL of the other PCIE slots non-functional! That seems a bit extreme to me


Good info even though it was mostly over my head!
AMasters00721/11/2019 14:12

As long as you have another machine (or even the one you are upgrading, …As long as you have another machine (or even the one you are upgrading, the drivers can be downloaded at any time for later use) and a usb stick for the drivers you're good to go, you can flash the bios from the usb so no need for another (older) processor. Quite a handy feature that most boards don't have, then again most boards aren't compatible with such a range of CPU’s as they usually require an upgrade each generation, yes Intel I'm looking at you with your 1151 socket that isn't compatible with half your 1151 line! What in the hell was that about!?


You sure? I don't think this x470 has bios flashback without a 1000 or 2000 series CPU present. The b450 tomahawk can do that but this x470 board doesn't support it.

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c7qj5e/am4_vcore_vrm_ratings_to_help_you_decide_on_a/

See the spreadsheet there, the last column shows which boards have bios flashback and this 1 doesn't have a tick, plus if you look at pics there is no button for it compared to what you have on the tomahawk.

So you need retailer to update the bios for you or have access to a previous gen cpu in order to do it. Unless you get lucky and it's a newer build board which msi have pre loaded the later bios onto.
Edited by: "nellybauer" 21st Nov 2019
Meathotukdeals21/11/2019 15:02

Good info even though it was mostly over my head!


Thx & sorry!

Shorter version is... the 2nd M.2 port on this board replaces either 1 of your PCIE slots if you install an M.2 NVME SSD in it or 1 of your SATA ports if you install an M.2 SATA drive.

If you install an NVME drive in that 2nd M.2 slot it will be faster than SATA but not quite as fast as the 1st M.2 slot.
nellybauer21/11/2019 15:06

You sure? I don't think this x470 has bios flashback without a 1000 or …You sure? I don't think this x470 has bios flashback without a 1000 or 2000 series CPU present. The b450 tomahawk can do that but this x470 board doesn't support it.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c7qj5e/am4_vcore_vrm_ratings_to_help_you_decide_on_a/See the spreadsheet there, the last column shows which boards have bios flashback and this 1 doesn't have a tick, plus if you look at pics there is no button for it compared to what you have on the tomahawk.So you need retailer to update the bios for you or have access to a previous gen cpu in order to do it. Unless you get lucky and it's a newer build board which msi have pre loaded the later bios onto.


Ah apologies think I was getting confused with the B450 Gaming Pro, helped a mate with a build a few months ago that had flashback but you are right this board doesn't as far I can tell, doesn't help that their naming conventions are so similar
AMasters00721/11/2019 15:53

Ah apologies think I was getting confused with the B450 Gaming Pro, helped …Ah apologies think I was getting confused with the B450 Gaming Pro, helped a mate with a build a few months ago that had flashback but you are right this board doesn't as far I can tell, doesn't help that their naming conventions are so similar


yeah its mental. Why the B450s pretty much all have flashback but the X470s don't doesnt make any sense
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Just got this back from ebuyer's ebay
chapchap20/11/2019 15:51

Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough …Will this work with a 3700x out the box? Mulling up if I am brave enough to build my own new PC...or a prebuilt one from CCL...



Will it work ? Yes. Out of the box ? Unknown. Maybe BIOS update required.
nellybauer21/11/2019 16:04

[Image] Just got this back from ebuyer's ebay


I ordered 1, and replied to this straight away with my order number. I've just had a mail saying my order is being posted, so who knows if the message to flash the bios got through! We will see...
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