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Thought it was Kylo Ren's command shuttle.
bo0td14/09/2019 23:13

Thought it was Kylo Ren's command shuttle.



Was about to mentioned something out of Star Wars . Have to admit it does look very cool.
Great price. Can any tech-minded souls advise on whether it's worth me upgrading my R7800 to this? I don't have a wifi 6 device but probably will within 6 months or so. Would I notice much improvement on standard speeds? (My internet speeds are only 18mpbs down/1.5mbps up which is frustrating.)
quietlifeproductions14/09/2019 23:27

Great price. Can any tech-minded souls advise on whether it's worth me …Great price. Can any tech-minded souls advise on whether it's worth me upgrading my R7800 to this? I don't have a wifi 6 device but probably will within 6 months or so. Would I notice much improvement on standard speeds? (My internet speeds are only 18mpbs down/1.5mbps up which is frustrating.)


Yes, the ax even blew our 9000 out of the water, both wired gigabit and 6x wifi speeds, my s10+ can just about "keep up" with it!

But on that note... 18mpbs and you are running kit like the 78? Is there a reason its so slow, as not really worth the expense if you are not on sub 4ms's and 10x that speed on your input to distribute around the mesh / house / gaming warehouse!
I've tp link archer c3200 but only realized today its not 5ghz 2600mbps but rather 2x 1300mbps. Which in real life is slow for galaxy s10. So got this one instead. Was checking all day prices and luckily this went down this evening
Edited by: "themiso" 14th Sep
bitcoin514/09/2019 23:38

Yes, the ax even blew our 9000 out of the water, both wired gigabit and 6x …Yes, the ax even blew our 9000 out of the water, both wired gigabit and 6x wifi speeds, my s10+ can just about "keep up" with it!But on that note... 18mpbs and you are running kit like the 78? Is there a reason its so slow, as not really worth the expense if you are not on sub 4ms's and 10x that speed on your input to distribute around the mesh / house / gaming warehouse!


It's my crappy road unfortunately. Run adsl checks on my postcode and either end of my street gets around 35-75 down with about 20 up. Not a router problem at all annoyingly. Picked my r7800 up not too long ago as I run a hefty Plex Media Server on my LAN (got a lot of 4K content and multiple, concurrent streams). It has helped the stability no end compared to my EE router but wondered if I'd notice even better with the AX12.
quietlifeproductions14/09/2019 23:27

Great price. Can any tech-minded souls advise on whether it's worth me …Great price. Can any tech-minded souls advise on whether it's worth me upgrading my R7800 to this? I don't have a wifi 6 device but probably will within 6 months or so. Would I notice much improvement on standard speeds? (My internet speeds are only 18mpbs down/1.5mbps up which is frustrating.)


Just to add, I have helped many hukd members "sort" their speeds out or get a higher speed, hence me asking!!
themiso14/09/2019 23:57

I've tp link archer c3200 but only realized today its not 5ghz 2600mbps …I've tp link archer c3200 but only realized today its not 5ghz 2600mbps but rather 2x 1300mbps. Which in real life is slow for galaxy s10. So got this one instead. Was checking all day prices and luckily this went down this evening


You will think you are on the autobahn using the ax, instead of driving around the a406 in london, with the c3200!!!

Fab spot and great price reduction, a lot say wait until w2 wifi6 hits, but waste of time, not even my oneplus 7 pro 5g can max this out at 1.8gb!!
quietlifeproductions15/09/2019 00:01

It's my crappy road unfortunately. Run adsl checks on my postcode and …It's my crappy road unfortunately. Run adsl checks on my postcode and either end of my street gets around 35-75 down with about 20 up. Not a router problem at all annoyingly. Picked my r7800 up not too long ago as I run a hefty Plex Media Server on my LAN (got a lot of 4K content and multiple, concurrent streams). It has helped the stability no end compared to my EE router but wondered if I'd notice even better with the AX12.


That is woeful! So you are stuck on the old annexe m copper cable pots, if each end gets 4 times what you get! So to clarify, you have EE fiber or EE v-adl (normal broadband) coming in?
Edited by: "bitcoin5" 15th Sep
bitcoin515/09/2019 00:06

That is woeful! So you are stuck on the old annexe m copper cable pots, if …That is woeful! So you are stuck on the old annexe m copper cable pots, if each end gets 4 times what you get! So to clarify, you have EE fiber or EE v-adl (normal broadband) coming in?


It is fibre (pay for up to 35mbps knowing that it's significantly out of reach. Every time I see an openreach van I pray they're ripping up my road, hehe!) Had the connection between house and street replaced twice so it's not that.

EE is ok, but not actually as good as Sky (who I replaced), they're just cheaper. Although my Sky Q experience has suffered (more fiddly to connect over Wifi, slower DLs etc.)

I've pretty much LAN connected my priority devices (with a nighthawk S8000 to prioritise media or gaming). I also have been sent a Wifi Extender to beta test which fleshes out my signal so there's no problem there. I just wanted to guarantee the ability to direct play up to 80gb files over Plex without buffering. Happy with the r7800 but always got an eye on a possible upgrade!
bitcoin515/09/2019 00:06

That is woeful! So you are stuck on the old annexe m copper cable pots, if …That is woeful! So you are stuck on the old annexe m copper cable pots, if each end gets 4 times what you get! So to clarify, you have EE fiber or EE v-adl (normal broadband) coming in?


(I appreciate the advice by the way.)
quietlifeproductions15/09/2019 00:25

(I appreciate the advice by the way.)


Welcome, love the challenge tbh, the issue with the Dac at your cabinet with the lower speeds, is the contention of uptake, each new or provisioned fibre take up in the same street, especially at the cab end of the street or closest to it, slows it down for all!

Instead of keeping an eye out for OR vans, maybe a visit to your closest phone mast would be in order, see if you can see any 5G kit added to it!!
bitcoin515/09/2019 00:01

Just to add, I have helped many hukd members "sort" their speeds out or …Just to add, I have helped many hukd members "sort" their speeds out or get a higher speed, hence me asking!!


Hi Bitcoin5, this is a bit off topic, but I could use some advice. I'm currently using a TP Link router with Virgin 100mb. 5G coverage in the house is terrible with both the Virgin modem and TP Link router so we just use 2.4Ghz.

What would be a good and affordable 5G capable router with great coverage and ftp with USB port?

Would something like the Linksys WRT32X-UK be any better?
Edited by: "keenan316" 15th Sep
Returning one of these as had it about a week and the range/speed was no better than the BT Home Hub :/ Be good if you have a wifi 6 device or use the line aggregation but right now not much point in picking this up as there are better options for same/less money. It does look cool though if it will be visible.
Edited by: "GluedOnBeard" 15th Sep
Does it fly?
Looking to replace my BT homehub. I have a large house and about 40 devices connected and it's recently started dropping things. Any ideas?
Bulla8315/09/2019 05:02

Looking to replace my BT homehub. I have a large house and about 40 …Looking to replace my BT homehub. I have a large house and about 40 devices connected and it's recently started dropping things. Any ideas?


Try ang get any that has: MU-MIMO technology and dual-band.
themiso14/09/2019 23:57

I've tp link archer c3200 but only realized today its not 5ghz 2600mbps …I've tp link archer c3200 but only realized today its not 5ghz 2600mbps but rather 2x 1300mbps. Which in real life is slow for galaxy s10. So got this one instead. Was checking all day prices and luckily this went down this evening



I don't know why you would be having such issues. I have the archer 1900 and my lan use is massive I have a server on my network running tb' s of media with plex a nas drive with 4k mounted on the server just for smb 4k in the home. I have so many devices accessing my router both wired and wireless it's like a small business, my daughter has her own YouTube channel so she uploads videos all the time I have both consoles just to much to list but I don't seem to have no issues. If i check my iPhone XS max in the kitchen I get speeds on 5g that max out our 200mb Virgin fibre, we live In a smallish 3 bed council house but my main gaming rig using my decent.ac wifi card easily maxes it out also.

To be honest most of my home I wired with cat5e and cat6 years ago as when running servers and stuff you really need to try and get it wired for reliability and speed but even so I can still reach virgins claimed speed in fact I reach higher speeds depending on time of day. Maximum is usually around 26.4 mbps down but last night while downloading gears 5 on my oneX I saw speeds reaching 34mbps so my router is more than upto the job. A lot depends on location of your router and what you have coming in but main thing is how many people are connected at the cabinet my only issue is in the kitchen under the window at the furthest part of the house I have a dead zone but if I go outside of it I get signal again other than that I see no reason to upgrade my router yet.

This is brand new tech and not many people have the hardware to really get the best out of it and like all new tech you will pay a premium for it. Me personally if I had to get a router now I'd get a decent.ac for half the price it will be a couple of years before these are the standard choice and by then there will be newer versions which are faster. If wifi is your main concern your best bet is to get a decent mesh setup which will give good speeds all over the house but as always your best option is wired if it's possible. That's probably why my network is as good because I wired as much of the hight bandwidth stuff as possible which required at last count 3 8 port gigabit switches aswell as the router leaving most of the WiFi for tablets and phones.
Edited by: "polly69" 15th Sep
Why would anyone want to buy a new modem?

Surely most people get their broadband from Sky, Virgin, Talk Talk etc and in doing so are provided with a modem already.

What are the benefits of buying a new modem if you internet service provider gives you one already and you therefore already receive the speeds that you would expect. In my case I get about 72 Mbps down and about 15 Mbps up with Sky Fiber.

Keen to know if I should be investing in something like this.
Edited by: "capa" 15th Sep
capa15/09/2019 07:31

Why would anyone want to buy a new modem?Surely most people get their …Why would anyone want to buy a new modem?Surely most people get their broadband from Sky, Virgin, Talk Talk etc and in doing so are provided with a modem already.What are the benefits of buying a new modem if you internet service provider gives you one already and you therefore already receive the speeds that you would expect. In my case I get about 72 Mbps down and about 15 Mbps up with Sky Fiber.Keen to know if I should be investing in something like this.


The virgin router/ wifi sucks. I put it in modem mode and use my own router for better stability/ control and BT mesh wifi for better coverage.
masai15/09/2019 08:54

The virgin router/ wifi sucks. I put it in modem mode and use my own …The virgin router/ wifi sucks. I put it in modem mode and use my own router for better stability/ control and BT mesh wifi for better coverage.


Same as me, it’s the only option when the router keeps dropping all the time.
keenan31615/09/2019 00:44

Hi Bitcoin5, this is a bit off topic, but I could use some advice. I'm …Hi Bitcoin5, this is a bit off topic, but I could use some advice. I'm currently using a TP Link router with Virgin 100mb. 5G coverage in the house is terrible with both the Virgin modem and TP Link router so we just use 2.4Ghz.What would be a good and affordable 5G capable router with great coverage and ftp with USB port?Would something like the Linksys WRT32X-UK be any better?


Go for a £120 ish netgear or asus. My superhub 3 has dropouts and rubbish range.
masai15/09/2019 08:54

The virgin router/ wifi sucks. I put it in modem mode and use my own …The virgin router/ wifi sucks. I put it in modem mode and use my own router for better stability/ control and BT mesh wifi for better coverage.


Exactly the same for me! Virgin is awful! I put the hub into modem mode, bought the RT-AC86U and used that for WiFi. Sadly it couldn’t always reach far end of the house so returned to Amazon and invested in the Netgear Orbi RK50. So far so good!

Have to say, this Nighthawk looks good, heat from me for price!
If you have R7800 or better AC (WiFi 5) router, I'd wait for 2nd gen AX(WiFi 6) products.
Little point getting this and plugging my 4 BT wholehome hubs? I like to keep all the smart kit and devices on just one network/SID
capa15/09/2019 07:31

Why would anyone want to buy a new modem?Surely most people get their …Why would anyone want to buy a new modem?Surely most people get their broadband from Sky, Virgin, Talk Talk etc and in doing so are provided with a modem already.What are the benefits of buying a new modem if you internet service provider gives you one already and you therefore already receive the speeds that you would expect. In my case I get about 72 Mbps down and about 15 Mbps up with Sky Fiber.Keen to know if I should be investing in something like this.


A few reasons:

Most ISP routers are extremely cut down in terms of software features. traffic management, VPN tools and general advanced network management are all things often locked out of overly simplified in ISP routers.

ISP routers contain backdoors so BT or whoever can come in and change settings and potentially do all sorts of things to invade your privacy (the government almost certainly has the keys to this backdoor).

ISP routers are cheap. The CPU is underpowered and they lack ram. This can mean you get connection dropouts when you've a lot of network traffic (bittorrent is notorious for causing this).

Buying a third party router means you generally get much better wireless. Large numbers of high quality aerials means you can get directed signals improving speed and range and coping better with multiple high bandwidth uses at once.
Bulla8315/09/2019 05:02

Looking to replace my BT homehub. I have a large house and about 40 …Looking to replace my BT homehub. I have a large house and about 40 devices connected and it's recently started dropping things. Any ideas?


I use TP Link EAP245 access points (one on each floor of the house) and an Asus 87U router - most devices tap into the TPLink APs and they can all max out my 350Mbps Virgin cable broadband.

I have a Multi-Gig wired LAN for for the APs and the media server.

The fact that the devices are accessing different APs on different channels means the quality of the connection is generally good.
Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky hub. That is interesting as our back room firestick seems to have a poor signal.

i did try a TP Link to extend the WiFi but everything tried to connect to it (mobile phones etc) and it was really slow. Might be something I’ve done wrong.

Maybe this would be a good option for us.
capa15/09/2019 14:12

Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky …Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky hub. That is interesting as our back room firestick seems to have a poor signal.i did try a TP Link to extend the WiFi but everything tried to connect to it (mobile phones etc) and it was really slow. Might be something I’ve done wrong.Maybe this would be a good option for us.


Whilst this router will provide better encoding and frequency division to get more through put to a given area of the house, you are working within the confines of the radios, which are power limited.

Couple that with the penetration characteristics of the 2.4ghz (ok) and 5ghz (not very good) and you can see there are physical limitations to what can be achieved.

Having the appropriate antennas and position of the router are things you can try with your existing equipment to improve signal propagation.

This is exactly why I’ve got access points (not range extenders or mesh systems with Wifi backhaul) dotted around.

You don’t have to bury cables in walls or under floors - you can clip it to skirting boards.
capa15/09/2019 14:12

Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky …Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky hub. That is interesting as our back room firestick seems to have a poor signal.i did try a TP Link to extend the WiFi but everything tried to connect to it (mobile phones etc) and it was really slow. Might be something I’ve done wrong.Maybe this would be a good option for us.


This particular router is serious overkill for anyone on FTTC unless you happen to be wirelessly transferring huge files around an internal network. You wouldn’t notice any improvement over something cheaper like the R7800.

I’d consider whether there are any issues with the Sky Hub that actually bother you before spending a penny. Does the poor signal in the back room cause drop outs, etc., or is it just that the wireless strength is shown as low but it works? Similarly, if you don’t have kids hammering the connection with multiple streams and torrents then the spec of the Sky box is probably good enough.
Edited by: "HTJ" 15th Sep
HTJ15/09/2019 15:10

This particular router is serious overkill for anyone on FTTC unless you …This particular router is serious overkill for anyone on FTTC unless you happen to be wirelessly transferring huge files around an internal network. You wouldn’t notice any improvement over something cheaper like the R7800. I’d consider whether there are any issues with the Sky Hub that actually bother you before spending a penny. Does the poor signal in the back room cause drop outs, etc., or is it just that the wireless strength is shown as low but it works? Similarly, if you don’t have kids hammering the connection with multiple streams and torrents then the spec of the Sky box is probably good enough.


I think it’s specifically a WiFi range issue.
What is my best option?
capa15/09/2019 15:56

I think it’s specifically a WiFi range issue. What is my best option?


Given the slow broadband speeds, any Ethernet over powerline access point or WiFi mesh systems be the easiest but I’d still run an 10-50metre Ethernet cable for more flexibility.
Going to have another look at the TP link. Thought it would be plug and play after making it an extender in settings.

TP-LINK TL-WR710N
capa15/09/2019 16:10

Going to have another look at the TP link. Thought it would be plug and …Going to have another look at the TP link. Thought it would be plug and play after making it an extender in settings.TP-LINK TL-WR710N


If you’re using it in repeater mode, it is repeating the signal it’s receiving so if it’s at a point where the signal is poor, it’s going to repeat that. It won’t be helped by the 710n’s weak antennas

If it’s poor where you have placed it, try moving it a bit towards your router.

You can run a cable to it in access point mode, it won’t be the best because of the type of device but it should be ok.
capa15/09/2019 14:12

Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky …Ahh so I could potentially get better Wifi than I am getting with the Sky hub. That is interesting as our back room firestick seems to have a poor signal.i did try a TP Link to extend the WiFi but everything tried to connect to it (mobile phones etc) and it was really slow. Might be something I’ve done wrong.Maybe this would be a good option for us.


TP link is garbage. Those cheap modems are terrible.
IceGrenade15/09/2019 18:01

TP link is garbage. Those cheap modems are terrible.


I use their business access points and they are decent. As with most things, you pay for what you get.
Edited by: "SomebodE" 15th Sep
I had mine but it took off somewhere
Back up to £387 from Amazon.co.uk (and backordered).

Good deal and thanks for posting. Mine is arriving tomorrow.
Edited by: "HTJ" 15th Sep
SomebodE15/09/2019 17:35

If you’re using it in repeater mode, it is repeating the signal it’s rec …If you’re using it in repeater mode, it is repeating the signal it’s receiving so if it’s at a point where the signal is poor, it’s going to repeat that. It won’t be helped by the 710n’s weak antennas If it’s poor where you have placed it, try moving it a bit towards your router. You can run a cable to it in access point mode, it won’t be the best because of the type of device but it should be ok.


The Sky HUB wifi is decent for our purposes. I play a few shooters online and we stream Netflix, amazon etc. Good speeds wired to the desktop PC and on all other devices in the house the WiFi is also fine. It’s really just the one room which we have an issue with which is that the signal is poor on the Firestick at the front of the house upstairs. It’s not a particularly large house so it can’t be a distance issue due to lack of range, but perhaps walls and other signals could be the problem. I’ve fiddled about with the TP Link a little more and the signal fluctuates between Good and Fair now on the Firestick. It’s not really ideal but maybe best we can hope for unless I pick up a new modem or better repeater. Running cables is not really an option as we’ve just had the house renovated.
Edited by: "capa" 15th Sep
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