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NEW EVOQUE Personal Contract Purchase from only £378.44 per month with £379 customer deposit on PCP (Term £18544.12) @ Stratstone

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NEW EVOQUE Personal Contract Purchase from only £379 per month with £379 customer deposit on PCP


seems like a good deal, probably down to the car being a manual and diesel?
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Tyranicus6603/07/2019 16:25

I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit …I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit finish and quality of them is vastly superior to anything produced to date by JLR. That's not to say that premium German marques are reliable. While i have never had a major issue thjeir are well publicised surveys that speak to the contrary.


The German's are masters of 'perceived quality' - the bits you can see and touch are always impressive. They tend to cut costs behind the scenes, using cheap components in out of view areas, which is why they are prone to failure.

The Japanese and Koreans - who dominate in terms of reliability, aren't afraid to have a bit of plastic on show, as long as the cars are right where it matters most.

There is a market for both types of buyer, so everyone is happy.
37984901-lHqKg.jpg"yeah, and it's only £18,500 over the term, so I'll just have to do a few extra perms"
Funny enough pay £18k for a 3 year old model and own it outright.
Groovii.D03/07/2019 15:57

Probably not the right car to buy then?


I wouldn't touch a JLR with a bargepole: new or used.
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Are there any further details? I.e. how long is term.
Funny enough pay £18k for a 3 year old model and own it outright.
satty8303/07/2019 15:47

Are there any further details? I.e. how long is term.


1+47 with 7,000 miles it would appear.
Groovii.D03/07/2019 15:47

Funny enough pay £18k for a 3 year old model and own it outright.


That has no warranty and will have its DPF filled nicely with all that soot and carbon.
Tbf this isn't terrible but there's definitely better options out there.
Unless you're planning to actually buy it, I wouldn't have a pcp running outside of warranty period
Cold, you could buy bike for that sort of money and push it hard.
Pauladin9103/07/2019 15:48

Unless you're planning to actually buy it, I wouldn't have a pcp running …Unless you're planning to actually buy it, I wouldn't have a pcp running outside of warranty period


Not only that a 36 mth deal in this instance works out to be cheaper on a net monthly basis.
m5rcc03/07/2019 15:48

That has no warranty and will have its DPF filled nicely with all that …That has no warranty and will have its DPF filled nicely with all that soot and carbon.


Probably not the right car to buy then?
37984901-lHqKg.jpg"yeah, and it's only £18,500 over the term, so I'll just have to do a few extra perms"
Groovii.D03/07/2019 15:57

Probably not the right car to buy then?


I wouldn't touch a JLR with a bargepole: new or used.
rodman03/07/2019 15:51

Cold, you could buy bike for that sort of money and push it hard.


I'd rather have something that I didn't have to push. Especially for that kind of money!
m5rcc03/07/2019 16:07

I wouldn't touch a JLR with a bargepole: new or used.


Agreed. Quality is shocking, they promote themselves as "premium" but honestly the fit and finish of even high end Jags/Landies is terrible compared to price (German) rivals.
Tyranicus6603/07/2019 16:14

Agreed. Quality is shocking, they promote themselves as "premium" but …Agreed. Quality is shocking, they promote themselves as "premium" but honestly the fit and finish of even high end Jags/Landies is terrible compared to price (German) rivals.


And such German rivals aren't anything to shout about either...
m5rcc03/07/2019 16:16

And such German rivals aren't anything to shout about either...


I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit finish and quality of them is vastly superior to anything produced to date by JLR. That's not to say that premium German marques are reliable. While i have never had a major issue thjeir are well publicised surveys that speak to the contrary.
Tyranicus6603/07/2019 16:25

I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit …I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit finish and quality of them is vastly superior to anything produced to date by JLR. That's not to say that premium German marques are reliable. While i have never had a major issue thjeir are well publicised surveys that speak to the contrary.


The German's are masters of 'perceived quality' - the bits you can see and touch are always impressive. They tend to cut costs behind the scenes, using cheap components in out of view areas, which is why they are prone to failure.

The Japanese and Koreans - who dominate in terms of reliability, aren't afraid to have a bit of plastic on show, as long as the cars are right where it matters most.

There is a market for both types of buyer, so everyone is happy.
Tyranicus6603/07/2019 16:25

I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit …I disagree, I have had 20 years in BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's and fit finish and quality of them is vastly superior to anything produced to date by JLR. That's not to say that premium German marques are reliable


And that is my issue as @ezzer72 has explained above. Whilst it's relatively nice to sit in a VAG, for example, from a reliability perspective there are too many issues to still have the 1980s reputation of If only everything in life were as reliable as a Volkswagen.

Remember that a premium car is not built any better or built to last any longer or is of any better fundamental quality than a regular car. The price premium is for the status it affords the owner.
More fool you nearly 20k to lease a car...? 👋
Groovii.D03/07/2019 15:47

Funny enough pay £18k for a 3 year old model and own it outright.



you won't get a 3 year old Evoque for £18k, more like £20k to £25K
Jezza6703/07/2019 17:19

you won't get a 3 year old Evoque for £18k, more like £20k to £25K

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m5rcc03/07/2019 15:48

That has no warranty and will have its DPF filled nicely with all that …That has no warranty and will have its DPF filled nicely with all that soot and carbon.


Carbon (soot is almost all carbon) is the thing that doesn't remain in a DPF - it gets burnt off during regen and is converted into carbon dioxide - this is the purpose of the DPF.

What remains in the DPF is the trace inorganic components of fuel (incombustible ash) after the organic part has burnt off. You'll be up to 150k miles on most DPF equipped cars before the ash has loaded up the DPF beyond regeneration spare capacity. There are companies out there that can empty the DPF of the ash.
When my wife purchased her Lexus the salesman was an ex JLR employee, he left purely on the basis of complaints about reliability across the range, being on the frontline he would constantly get in the neck. No such issues with Lexus, a much easier life..
monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 19:41

Carbon (soot is almost all carbon) is the thing that doesn't remain in a …Carbon (soot is almost all carbon) is the thing that doesn't remain in a DPF - it gets burnt off during regen and is converted into carbon dioxide - this is the purpose of the DPF.What remains in the DPF is the trace inorganic components of fuel (incombustible ash) after the organic part has burnt off. You'll be up to 150k miles on most DPF equipped cars before the ash has loaded up the DPF beyond regeneration spare capacity. There are companies out there that can empty the DPF of the ash.



By all means send a DPF to be chemically cleaned by a company like Ceramex for about £400 but 150,000 miles is very optimistic..
m5rcc03/07/2019 20:01

By all means send a DPF to be chemically cleaned by a company like Ceramex …By all means send a DPF to be chemically cleaned by a company like Ceramex for about £400 but 150,000 miles is very optimistic..


My Dad's 2013 Golf GTD has 144k miles on it and the DPF is still going strong. Most are motorway miles. Your earlier comment about a DPF filling up with soot or carbon clearly shows you know very little about DPFs and their operation.

DPFs as a negative assocuated with diesel ownership is a moot point now as petrol cars are starting to be fitted with GPFs, and one of our petrol cars actually has one.

My Dad's GTD averages 55mpg, so he's gone through approx 12000 litres of diesel and the DPF contains less than 85g of incombustible ash (to be operating correctly with less than 60% of total capacity reached). Just goes to show how pure modern fuel is - about 8ppm is not combustible.
monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 20:46

My Dad's 2013 Golf GTD has 144k miles on it and the DPF is still going …My Dad's 2013 Golf GTD has 144k miles on it and the DPF is still going strong. Most are motorway miles.


So because your Dad happened to do 144k miles with no issue, you've extrapolated that to suggest all DPFs can do that? Oh dear...

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 20:46

Your earlier comment about a DPF filling up with soot or carbon clearly …Your earlier comment about a DPF filling up with soot or carbon clearly shows you know very little about DPFs and their operation.


In your opinion. You clearly omit that the majority of diesel Evoque drivers will not be doing motorway miles but be doing cold starts and short journeys.

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 20:46

DPFs as a negative assocuated with diesel ownership is a moot point now as …DPFs as a negative assocuated with diesel ownership is a moot point now as petrol cars are starting to be fitted with GPFs, and one of our petrol cars actually has one.


DPFs have negative press for the simple reason people chose the wrong car when they purchased or leased. If the car is repeatedly used for short runs, then the DPF does not passively regenerate (do not burn off the soot they collect). They either get clogged up and/or have to actively regenerate using diesel fuel pumped in via the engine. Then some owners decide to switch off their engines mid-active regeneration and the engine sump oil becomes contaminated with diesel.

PPFs have been in play for a few years now and yes some are already starting to show issues like they do in the Ford Focus.
monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 20:46

My Dad's GTD averages 55mpg, so he's gone through approx 12000 litres of …My Dad's GTD averages 55mpg, so he's gone through approx 12000 litres of diesel and the DPF contains less than 85g of incombustible ash (to be operating correctly with less than 60% of total capacity reached). Just goes to show how pure modern fuel is - about 8ppm is not combustible.


Would he like a medal of achievement?
m5rcc03/07/2019 20:54

So because your Dad happened to do 144k miles with no issue, you've …So because your Dad happened to do 144k miles with no issue, you've extrapolated that to suggest all DPFs can do that? Oh dear...In your opinion. You clearly omit that the majority of diesel Evoque drivers will not be doing motorway miles but be doing cold starts and short journeys.DPFs have negative press for the simple reason people chose the wrong car when they purchased or leased. If the car is repeatedly used for short runs, then the DPF does not passively regenerate (do not burn off the soot they collect). They either get clogged up and/or have to actively regenerate using diesel fuel pumped in via the engine. Then some owners decide to switch off their engines mid-active regeneration and the engine sump oil becomes contaminated with diesel.PPFs have been in play for a few years now and yes some are already starting to show issues like they do in the Ford Focus.Would he like a medal of achievement?


Still won't admit to not knowing that a DPF burns carbon instead of just storing it? Just swerve around that by chucking some hastily googled facts. Like trying to get the truth out if a politician.

DPFs have been designed by most of the marques to do 150k miles in average use (the average expected life of a car, before they hit the scrap yard, even though you could get 400k miles out of a decent diesel engine), that's why they fit them with a capacity of between 150 and 200g. When cars first came out with DPFs, there was the expectation that they could not be cleaned and you'd need a new one when it was 60-70% full so that capacity was given serious consideration.

DPFs have come a long way since 2006 when they started to appear on mainstream cars - they're placed much closer to the engine now on newer cars, so they warm up quicker and you've got a chance to passively regen on shorter journeys.

With GPF fitment, active regens are a real possibility, but we haven't had any noticeable regen effects on our May 19 Polo GTI+. It's easier to get a GPF regenning passively as petrol exhausts are hotter than diesel exhausts and get warmer quicker (petrol combustion being more wasteful than diesel- more heat chucked out the exhaust rather than being converted to useable kinetic energy).
Edited by: "monkeyhanger75" 3rd Jul
monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 21:19

Still won't admit to not knowing that a DPF burns carbon instead of just …Still won't admit to not knowing that a DPF burns carbon instead of just storing it? Just swerve around that by chucking some hastily googled facts.


I've been commenting on diesel lease deals and making people aware of the issue of DPFs for years on HUKD. I suggest you do some homework and read those comments before making any assumptions.

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 21:19

DPFs have been designed by most of the marques to do 150k miles in average …DPFs have been designed by most of the marques to do 150k miles in average use


Says whom? Why have DPFs filled with ash at half that mileage on a regular basis?

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 21:19

DPFs have come a long way since 2006 when they started to appear on …DPFs have come a long way since 2006 when they started to appear on mainstream cars - they're placed much closer to the engine now on newer cars, so they warm up quicker and you've got a chance to passively regen on shorter journeys.


On most cars. JLR ironically still had a massive problem with DPFs until the recent redesign because the Ingenium diesel engine in the old Evoque had its DPF located too far from the engine to passively regenerate.
m5rcc03/07/2019 21:35

I've been commenting on diesel lease deals and making people aware of the …I've been commenting on diesel lease deals and making people aware of the issue of DPFs for years on HUKD. I suggest you do some homework and read those comments before making any assumptions.Says whom? Why have DPFs filled with ash at half that mileage on a regular basis?On most cars. JLR ironically still had a massive problem with DPFs until the recent redesign because the Ingenium diesel engine in the old Evoque had its DPF located too far from the engine to passively regenerate.


I 've seen plenty of your comments before and plenty have been fundamentally wrong - like the one I have pointed out to you this very evening which you're still avoiding admission on, are you an MP?

Most of your comments are scare mongering on diesel tech, with implications that your diesel engine is going to disintegrate as soon as the warranty runs out and that DPFs last next to no time.

It's taken people like you a long time to realise that DI petrol engines without a GPF are kicking out far more particulate matter from the exhaust than a DPF equipped diesel, and contrary to your earlier post, Ford Focus only implemented GPF last year when incoming WLTP legislation forced Ford's (and everyone else's) hand to comfortably be in compliance.
monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 22:22

I 've seen plenty of your comments before and plenty have been …I 've seen plenty of your comments before and plenty have been fundamentally wrong - like the one I have pointed out to you this very evening which you're still avoiding admission on


It's a bit rich to accuse me of avoidance when you have done the exact same thing on points I have mentioned to you.

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 22:22

are you an MP?


Is that a serious question or an vain attempt at humour?

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 22:22

Most of your comments are scare mongering on diesel tech, with …Most of your comments are scare mongering on diesel tech, with implications that your diesel engine is going to disintegrate as soon as the warranty runs out


When did I ever say that a diesel engine would "disintegrate as soon as the warranty runs out". Please quote me exactly.

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 22:22

and that DPFs last next to no time.


They certainly do not have an average lifespan of 150,000 miles. You've avoided my earlier question to you on that matter curiously.

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 22:22

It's taken people like you a long time to realise that DI petrol engines …It's taken people like you a long time to realise that DI petrol engines without a GPF are kicking out far more particulate matter from the exhaust than a DPF equipped diesel


People like me? What does that mean?

I don't care whether they emit more, less or the same. ICE cars emit emissions regardless.

monkeyhanger7503/07/2019 22:22

and contrary to your earlier post, Ford Focus only implemented GPF last …and contrary to your earlier post, Ford Focus only implemented GPF last year when incoming WLTP legislation forced Ford's (and everyone else's) hand to comfortably be in compliance.


Who said otherwise? I said PPFs on Ford Focuses are already starting to fail since they were introduced.
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