New Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exlusive - £9388 OTR WITH SCRAPPAGE @ Arnold Clark
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New Vauxhall Zafira 1.6 Exlusive - £9388 OTR WITH SCRAPPAGE @ Arnold Clark

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Found 26th May 2009
Been looking around for a number of weeks for a decent deal on a Zafira. This is by far the best I've found - 9388 OTR (link price does not include metallic paint) for 1.6 Exclusive (middle range). Would welcome any views before I commit.

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If you can get a deal for the 1.8 this would be better as when full of passengers , luggage ,shopping etc the 1.6 struggles to pull away.

Sloth/Mod

Never heard anything good said about Arnold Clark.............just lots of problems with after sales service.

Syzable;5319119

Never heard anything good said about Arnold Clark.............just lots … Never heard anything good said about Arnold Clark.............just lots of problems with after sales service.



That may be what you have heard, but it's a pretty sweeping statement and doesn't tally with my experience and that of many people I know. Quite apart from anything else, there are hundreds of sites, so they won't all be of the same quality - it's just nonsense to infer that they're all bad.

What I would say, is that their repair prices are higher than independents, but you have far more comeback if a repair is botched. Most people won't have good things to say about any car dealer/repair shop as they mostly only ever hear bad news from them!

1.6 isnt the best choice of engine for this vehicle, but voted hot anyway as its a good deal.

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Thanks. Not really bothered about Arnold Clark being the dealer. Being new with a 3yr warranty would allow me to take the vehicle to any Vauxhall dealership. More interested in what people think about the price and spec (am a little concerned about the engine size for such a large car).

J400uk;5319204

1.6 isnt the best choice of engine for this vehicle, but voted hot anyway … 1.6 isnt the best choice of engine for this vehicle, but voted hot anyway as its a good deal.



Hint for the day.

Look down to you bottom left. Here you'll find a 'sort of sticky thing'. By selected different numbers on this, you will be able to drive the car on any terrain or weight limit , providing it's inside design limitations. Weird thing is, that's one of the reasons it's there!

Have you looked at alternative 7 seaters?

I have a Vauxhall Zafira 1.8 as a hire car at the moment (someone drove into my Citroen C4 Grand Picasso), and I do not like it:

It needs a 6th gear, when you do 70 MPH, the engine is so noisy.

The side pillars from the front windscreen are too thick, give a huge blind spot.

I hate the fact that you have to move the middle bench foreward to get to the rear seats, means that I cannot put any stage 1 seats in the middle seats, all have to go in the boot, then I have to struggle to strap the children in.

But the price is very good.

The engine size requirements depend on your 'use' and style of driving.. If you will regular load this up to the max and plan to drive around hilly areas etc then I would probably think minimum engine size should be 1.8 but if its for general use 1.6 for at this price is pretty good. Why not contact the dealership and ask about the price difference between the 1.6 and 1.8.

I have had a 1.6 and a 1.8 and would recommend the 1.8. I couldn't reverse unladen up my steep drive in the 1.6 without the engine sounding as if was going to explode.

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Thanks. Limited to a budget. Looked at the Citreon Xsara but the interior is SO basic. The price difference upto a 1.8 is about 4-5K anywhere. The price for this 1.6 is about 1.5-2k cheaper than anywhere regardless of scrappage or not.

thekanester;5319201

That may be what you have heard, but it's a pretty sweeping statement and … That may be what you have heard, but it's a pretty sweeping statement and doesn't tally with my experience and that of many people I know. Quite apart from anything else, there are hundreds of sites, so they won't all be of the same quality - it's just nonsense to infer that they're all bad. What I would say, is that their repair prices are higher than independents, but you have far more comeback if a repair is botched. Most people won't have good things to say about any car dealer/repair shop as they mostly only ever hear bad news from them!



Avoid Arnold Clark at all costs. Their sales ethos is awful, don't even get me started on their after-sales support. They're just a very big cowboy outfit, working under the guise of being a reputable car dealership.

We went looking for a car last November and because I was at work, the salesman suggested we put a returnable £100 deposit on it, so it would be held whilst I returned from work. We decided to decline the car, which I pretty much got the third degree from. The manager of the store then phoned me the next day for another grilling as to why we didn't want it and I asked for his assurance that the deposit would be returned, which he personally assured me it would.

Guess what - we're almost into June and still no refund on the deposit.

Fully loaded the performance would be pedestrian. 2 or 3 up around tow, then no problem. Ignore the published fuel consumption, real world is more like 10 mpg off the combined figure and this is true for all Vauxhall's we have owned.

Great price but I think the 1.6 will struggle when fully laden. I've been borrowing my Dad's '02 Astra 1.6 16v Estate and I have been surprised by how lively - if noisy - the little engine can be. Once it's loaded up with kids, luggage and a full tank though, the performance really takes a hit and it struggles. I presume the 1.6 Zafira engine is an evolution of this earlier engine and with the extra bulk of the Zafira body, and potentially two extra passengers, I wouldn't relish the prospect of pulling out onto a busy main road in one.

Still voted hot though as this is a great price.

I plumped for a 1.8 as reports have said the 1.6 is a bit sluggish uphill. The 1.8 is fantastic and know 4 others with the same vehical. It's versatile and great for splitting the kids up (one in the back and one in the boot. It is a really comfortable ride and would def recommend it. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Dont quote me on this...

But didn't 5th gear so a crash test on this? If you had a rear shunt, it's basically wheelchair time for your kids.

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abaxas;5319430

Dont quote me on this...But didn't 5th gear so a crash test on this? If … Dont quote me on this...But didn't 5th gear so a crash test on this? If you had a rear shunt, it's basically wheelchair time for your kids.



I know some people are over touchy on this site - but please - "wheelchair time for your kids" - some people really do amaze me with their stupidity.

youtube.com/wat…nuc

Sorry, it was my mistake. It's not wheelchair time, it's a probable fatality.

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abaxas;5319463

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUsWCsxnucSorry, it was my mistake. It's … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUsWCsxnucSorry, it was my mistake. It's not wheelchair time, it's a probable fatality.



Wasnt talking about your stupidity of facts - any safety imformation is obviously important and welcome. But the manner in which you say it - you've obviously never had the pain of losing a child. Conversation closed.

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abaxas;5319463

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUsWCsxnucSorry, it was my mistake. It's … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUsWCsxnucSorry, it was my mistake. It's not wheelchair time, it's a probable fatality.


Thats horrible. If I had a zafira, I'd get rid NOW!

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Davey;5319531

Wasnt talking about your stupidity of facts - any safety imformation is … Wasnt talking about your stupidity of facts - any safety imformation is obviously important and welcome. But the manner in which you say it - you've obviously never had the pain of losing a child. Conversation closed.


but the phrase was based exactly on what was mentioned in the clip. :thinking:

I've got a 1.6 zafira and don't really think the small engine is an issue. Lets face it, anyone driving a zafira is unlikely to be bothered about being first away from the traffic lights

We can sit on the motorway, full loaded, including groaning roof box and bike at 70-80. If you're carrying four kids you don't really want to be going much quicker.

My only fault with the zafira that its really difficult to get three car seats in the back seat, you can only really get two stage 0 or 1 and a booster seat, and even then its difficult to get the seat belt on the child in the booster. The grand scenic is better in this respect, as it has three full seats.

The other issue is that if you have the boot seats up there is very little boot space (hence our roof box). Even fitting a small buggy in can be tricky . This is the same in all the equivilent models, the grand scenic etc. If you want seven seats and boot space you'd have to go for a bigger car again, the kia sedona is about the cheapest of the big seven seaters.

Davey;5319531

Wasnt talking about your stupidity of facts - any safety imformation is … Wasnt talking about your stupidity of facts - any safety imformation is obviously important and welcome. But the manner in which you say it - you've obviously never had the pain of losing a child. Conversation closed.



Agreed, kids need to be kept safe.

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lynnexxxo;5319548

I've got a 1.6 zafira and don't really think the small engine is an … I've got a 1.6 zafira and don't really think the small engine is an issue. Lets face it, anyone driving a zafira is unlikely to be bothered about being first away from the traffic lights We can sit on the motorway, full loaded, including groaning roof box and bike at 70-80. If you're carrying four kids you don't really want to be going much quicker. My only fault with the zafira that its really difficult to get three car seats in the back seat, you can only really get two stage 0 or 1 and a booster seat, and even then its difficult to get the seat belt on the child in the booster. The grand scenic is better in this respect, as it has three full seats. The other issue is that if you have the boot seats up there is very little boot space (hence our roof box). Even fitting a small buggy in can be tricky . This is the same in all the equivilent models, the grand scenic etc. If you want seven seats and boot space you'd have to go for a bigger car again, the kia sedona is about the cheapest of the big seven seaters.

We had a diesel one and it was the worst car I've ever had, bought it in aug and it spent 3 months in dealership with various faults we eventually got our money back in jan and now have a mazda 5 which is a fantastic car. The zafira would pull up with no notice, nearly put me and the kids under a hgv on one occasion and dealship said it was fine to drive as fault wasn't dangerous! The seats were a pain to change about and the pillars were a horrible blind spot.
I drive large vehicles for a living so happy to drive tmost hings and my husband is a hgv mechanic and we'd never reccomend Zafiras to anyone.
I wouldn't have one if you paid me to take it, I'd really consider something else

abaxas;5319463

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUsWCsxnucSorry, it was my mistake. It's … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUsWCsxnucSorry, it was my mistake. It's not wheelchair time, it's a probable fatality.



sadly TRUE :?..SHOCKING video !!!! Don't put your kids in those seats :x

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lynnexxxo;5319548

I've got a 1.6 zafira and don't really think the small engine is an … I've got a 1.6 zafira and don't really think the small engine is an issue. Lets face it, anyone driving a zafira is unlikely to be bothered about being first away from the traffic lights We can sit on the motorway, full loaded, including groaning roof box and bike at 70-80. If you're carrying four kids you don't really want to be going much quicker. My only fault with the zafira that its really difficult to get three car seats in the back seat, you can only really get two stage 0 or 1 and a booster seat, and even then its difficult to get the seat belt on the child in the booster. The grand scenic is better in this respect, as it has three full seats. The other issue is that if you have the boot seats up there is very little boot space (hence our roof box). Even fitting a small buggy in can be tricky . This is the same in all the equivilent models, the grand scenic etc. If you want seven seats and boot space you'd have to go for a bigger car again, the kia sedona is about the cheapest of the big seven seaters.



Thanks for that. We dont need a 7 seater (one toddler and one on the way) - looking at the Zafira because of the large boot space which we would use (would probably never use the 6th/7th seats). Absolutely agree about speed - if it can easily manage 70-80 on the motorway when laden then that would do absolutely fine.

Xb0xGuru;5319295

Avoid Arnold Clark at all costs. Their sales ethos is awful, don't even … Avoid Arnold Clark at all costs. Their sales ethos is awful, don't even get me started on their after-sales support. They're just a very big cowboy outfit, working under the guise of being a reputable car dealership.We went looking for a car last November and because I was at work, the salesman suggested we put a returnable £100 deposit on it, so it would be held whilst I returned from work. We decided to decline the car, which I pretty much got the third degree from. The manager of the store then phoned me the next day for another grilling as to why we didn't want it and I asked for his assurance that the deposit would be returned, which he personally assured me it would.Guess what - we're almost into June and still no refund on the deposit.



Granted, you've had a bad experience, but there will be many thousands who have got on just fine.

And if I were you, there would be absolutely no way that I'd have waited this long for the return of my deposit. I'd have his office number, his direct number, his home number and I'd be calling him every hour of every day. Make no mistake, he'd be in no doubt that it's easier to pay me off than sit on the cash.

I'd interrupt him when he's with customers about to make deals and I'd turn up during his lunch break. I'd speak to him in the street and outside his house, if necessary.

I'd hand written notes to his school children with things like "Tell Daddy to give the nice man his £100 returnable deposit back".

Perhaps the last bit is a tiny bit extreme, but there's no way I'd be rolling over on that one for 7 months.

Just think - what would Gordon Ramsay do in a situation like that

Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. However its not just the zafira most seven seaters that have the same design. Anyone suggest an alternative designed car that seats four kids plus two adults?

What did you expect to happen in the youtube video? The truck to bounce backwards off the Zafira? I'm afraid that if you get rear ended at speed while stationary by a lump that big, it's going to be serious no matter what car you were in.

Just pray that it never happens to you, that's the only safety action you can take.

lynnexxxo;5319618

Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. … Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. However its not just the zafira most seven seaters that have the same design. Anyone suggest an alternative designed car that seats four kids plus two adults?



Fiat Multipla. But they have a poor NCAP rating, though to be honest you would be unwise to believe an NCAP rating is a perfect indicator of relative vehicle safety.

lynnexxxo;5319618

Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. … Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. However its not just the zafira most seven seaters that have the same design. Anyone suggest an alternative designed car that seats four kids plus two adults?



As I said above, if that happens to you it's bad luck and you can only expect injuries. The Renault Grand Espace has a Euro NCAP 5 star safety rating (although 3 star for child passenger safety) and the third row seats are more than 2x the distance at head height from the rear window.

This car sucks. I have the 1.8 SRi version and it is truly the worst tank that I have ever driven. Oh, and just to top off the deal, I bought it from Arnold Shark's too! What a bunch of cowboys they turned out to be - I will never use them again!

Best thing you can do with this heap of sh*t is wait until it is old enough to trade in for scrappage.

I have a 58 plate 1.6 life. 26MPG is worst MPG and 32MPG the best on a run at 60mph.

1.6 is fine around town, and once you built up the speed. Steep roads and you down into 1st if your loaded up. Forget overtaking

Having said all that its a very nice car to drive, and gives us loads of space for trips away when run as a 5 seater.

That test was on a old shape Zafira, and whats worrying is that there are no crash tests for rear shunts. Doesnot matter what car you drive with that speed and size its going to do damage

Interesting figures being quoted in this thread, basically a lot of rubbish. I have long since learned to tak HUKD opinions on cars with a pinch of salt. I have one of these as a spare car, it's a workhorse kiddy carrier.

Real world experience, I can drive carefully and have managed over 50MPG over a tankful, it seems best in the summer, but I normally get around 43-45. If I do a lot of short about town journeys it goes down to 38 or so. It's the driving style that is the real factor, I can beat the book figures on any car I've driven.

Also, it drives OK on a 1.6 litre with 7 adults. Up or down hills it's fine. It has a reasonable turn of pace from 105 bhp over takes just fine. Just use the gearbox.

No problem with the high speed cruise either. I would rather have had the diesel but the sums didn't come out as an economical purchase, so I got this and it's been a really excellent little car.

I always find it quite interesting how different people have different experiences. I currently have an Mercede E (2006) and Volvo XC-90 tow car to compare it against.

lynnexxxo;5319618

Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. … Just watched that video, and now feel slightly sick at the thought. However its not just the zafira most seven seaters that have the same design. Anyone suggest an alternative designed car that seats four kids plus two adults?



Honda FRV is the alternative design 3 at the front, 3 at the back.

I've noticed that a lot of small hatchback runabouts have the same problem with distance to rear windows. The mpv 3rd row are good in emergencies but I avoid using them if I can, they are always there if you need them. Otherwise it's a large estate or a van, a proper little workhorse.

The 5th gear test used an old model Zafira, not this Mk2, and they did emphasize that the result applied to all similar designs. That's Scenic, Picasso, Verso, Carens, Touran, Mazda 5 etc.

Do not buy the 1.6 engine it is crap, had one for a while and it was useless!
I also like how they show a picture of the SRi XP why not show a picture of the actual car!

androoski;5320263

The 5th gear test used an old model Zafira, not this Mk2, and they did … The 5th gear test used an old model Zafira, not this Mk2, and they did emphasize that the result applied to all similar designs. That's Scenic, Picasso, Verso, Carens, Touran, Mazda 5 etc.



They can't make any such claim, as they didn't test any of those.

Lakeside;5321117

They can't make any such claim, as they didn't test any of those.



But if the passenger's head is only an inch or two away from the rear screen then it would be a fair assumption that further tests would produce similar results with any of those vehicles. They all have third row seats in the area that on most five seat cars is the crumple zone.

I said a couple of hours ago, not all heads are anything like that close to the rear window in the list given. They can't claim any safety claim unless they test them all. Discussion over, channel 5 at it's usual standard of speculation without facts to back it up.

Lakeside;5321335

I said a couple of hours ago, not all heads are anything like that close … I said a couple of hours ago, not all heads are anything like that close to the rear window in the list given. They can't claim any safety claim unless they test them all. Discussion over, channel 5 at it's usual standard of speculation without facts to back it up.



They all have seats which place passenger heads very close to their rear screens. The fact that NCAP doesn't test for rear impact shows how useless NCAP ratings are in assessing real world vehicle safety.
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