'NHS NOT TRIDENT' T-Shirt Ethically and Organically made!!! Just £10 @ cnduk
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'NHS NOT TRIDENT' T-Shirt Ethically and Organically made!!! Just £10 @ cnduk

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Found 18th Jul 2013
Hope you all enjoy the deal! AMAZING price, especially considering it is both ethical (guilt free, woop woop) and organically made!

In case you don't know, Trident is a nuclear program. We spend around £84BILLION a year so we can have submarines go round the UK with loads of missiles on them.

I'm sure you are all aware of our FREE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM. The NHS means we look after the sick, and especially the sick who would not be able to afford private health-care. It's in my and many other peoples opinions the best thing about this country. However, it isn't run perfectly and some say it needs more funding. Instead of spending so much on nuclear war-heads that none of us (I assume) would actually want to use, we could put some of the money saved into the NHS.

In short: TRIDENT=BAD, NHS=GOOD!

P.S. Any Enter Shakari fans? Rou Reynolds often wears a 'NHS NOT TRIDENT' T-Shirt!

P.P.S This is my first post, go easy if I have done something wrong!

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Fundemental flaw in your argument...


Budgets are what they say, Budgets, if you think they would put 84 Billion into the NHS if they did not spend it on Trident, you are sadly misguided

There are tonnes of other things they could save money on too. The fact is, if they wanted to give more money for the NHS, they would.

Original Poster

[quote=Aeschylus]Fundemental flaw in your argument...

I'm not saying they would put the entire savings into the NHS! However, our government is in huge debt, and so putting an end to the trident program would obviously save huge amounts of money. Now with all this new money they could definitely put a large chunk into the NHS. Many branches are currently being investigated due to high mortality rates, the NHS needs more funding and better organisation. Many NHS employees are having their wages reduced, despite the current added stresses. If enough people want the government to increase NHS funding, they will have to eventually. If enough people wanted a stop to the pointless and malevolent Trident program, it will come!!! Of course it's not as simple as pulling out the £84bill and putting it straight into the NHS, but the T-Shirt doesn't really have the space to go into that kind of a detailed plan. It is simply showing the wearer feels the NHS is much more important than having a sub loaded with nuclear war-heads. xx

NHS guilt free?

Have you read the news lately?

This is a political statement and not a hot deal. £1 or maybe even £5 is a good price for a T-Shirt, but £10 really isn't.

I'm voting cold on this being poor value for money (oh, the irony).

How about a pay freeze for MPs?

Don't agree with posting a deal to make a political statement (telling me a t shirt is guilt free...) This is not even a good deal for this t shirt. Voted cold. Please don't preach ethics on a deals site...

Is there a trident not nhs t-shirt available? As i dont believe all healthcare should be funded by the tax payer for all and sundry to use.

i work for the NHS and believe me I can see what a positive impact of course it has but the better place to start is to save money within the nhs existing budget that is currently wasted by inefficient processes & bureaucracy. However I degress .... now if it was a bargain value t-shirt that said for example "HUKD - deals not politics" .... with good reviews and cheaper than rrp, perhaps with Quidco then i might vote hot. However I believe what you have posted is not a hot deal.

We spend around £84BILLION a year so we can have submarines go round the … We spend around £84BILLION a year so we can have submarines go round the UK with loads of missiles on them.


Quick googling reveals that this figure is the estimated cost of trident over the next 50 year - might be worth checking you facts first (in case you've got the price of this t shirt out by a factor of 50 as well!)

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KevClark1985

Don't agree with posting a deal to make a political statement (telling me … Don't agree with posting a deal to make a political statement (telling me a t shirt is guilt free...) This is not even a good deal for this t shirt. Voted cold. Please don't preach ethics on a deals site...



Understood. Was just explaining the message behind the Tee...

First post has not gone well, aha! Better luck next time I suppose ^_^

Cold for obvious reasons...

Cold, not a deal

Banned

£84 000 000 000 a year? B*llocks. Cold.

who does the £10 go to?

I think all government systems are rife with inefficiency. They are not a profit making organisation, they will always get funding how ever bad they run unlike most companies.

Fortunately as UK citizen we generally have a freedom of speech and so can wear this T-shirt if we desire too, but for me this is not a deal, its an opinion and so voting cold.

'In case you don't know, Trident is a nuclear program. We spend around £84BILLION a year so we can have submarines go round the UK with loads of missiles on them.'

Firstly your figures are insanely wrong. It's less than £2.5 billion a year, which is 1% of the social benefit cost. Second they do not 'go around the UK', they are in secret locations around the globe (mostly north atlantic) and are a vital part of the NATO defense system. If they were scrapped then the US would move it's subs in to fill the gap, and the UK would end up paying for it through some other NATO expenditure.

Agee , the person creating these T-shirts really has been misinformed.

Plus if you want to save money on the NHS, why don't we reduce wastage, centralise purchasing, tender pharmaceutical supply out and have centres of excellence/specialism rather than trying to have mediocre specialist units at each hospital. Reduce the profit schemes for GP's, reduce consultancy pay and remove unnecessary management layers.

Oh and how about we reduce our astronomically high and unsustainsable welfare budget.

deshepherd

Quick googling reveals that this figure is the estimated cost of trident … Quick googling reveals that this figure is the estimated cost of trident over the next 50 year - might be worth checking you facts first (in case you've got the price of this t shirt out by a factor of 50 as well!)


Brilliant

somebody asked where the money was going.answer it will be going to the woolie hat mob that demo.outside coulport and faslane naval bases causing thousands in police duties which could be better spent elsewhere .and anyway there shouldnt be political issues on this site voted colder than a polar bears bum

how are scotland going to have an NHS when independece happens.... dont want trident but want uk military to defend them..GET REAL!!!

The 1945 Attlee government figured out that we needed both a universal NHS and a credible nuclear deterrent. That's been the considered consensus view, regardless of who's in power, for the last 67 years. On that basis, I will not be buying this T-shirt...

What's the difference between the NHS and Trident?

Hardly anyone has died because of Trident...

But, seriously, Trident is our ultimate backstop in an unsafe and unpredictable world. While Trident protects us we'll never again face an existential threat to the UK like we did in 1940 - it's the ace in the pack of our national defence.

As for the NHS, it's good in principle, but deeply flawed in practice. There are two main things I'd like to see changed:

1) the money must follow the patients, not the other way round - then we might actually be treated like paying customers rather than as just more inconvenient patients. I was once 15 minutes late for my GP - the harridan receptionist (where do they breed these people?) told me to go away and make a new appointment, it, get this, the doc was still running his surgery and they always see people in the order they appear, rather than by appointment - and how often have I (and everyone else) waited longer than 15 or even 30 minutes or more in the GP's waiting room?

2) We should each have an entitlement card, to be shown on request at the beginning of non-emergency treatment - that will stop the massive abuse of the system by (often rich) foreigners who just have to get themselves here and on a GP register (easy) to get expensive treatment free of charge at the expense of our tax and our access to the NHS. It's especially disgraceful when we hear shrill lefties who earn a living from us in the NHS saying that they refuse to check entitlement because they're not border guards etc. - what arrogant nonsense - our island isn't a prison camp, and there are lots of people here, legally and illegally, who aren't entitled to healthcare at our expense. (Two related thoughts - a midwife relative in a London hospital frequently complains of foreigners ready to burst turning up in taxis from Heathrow to give birth at our expense, meanwhile it's impossible for visitors from abroad with medical insurance to pay in most hospitals, because they're just not interested in the admin of collecting money).

rick77

£84 000 000 000 a year? B*llocks. Cold.



That's USA billion, UK billion is twelve 0's, although we never get told who's term of 'billion' the government or press use. Most likely USA billion by the press to make it sound more expensive

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keetster83

That's USA billion, UK billion is twelve 0's, although we never get told … That's USA billion, UK billion is twelve 0's, although we never get told who's term of 'billion' the government or press use. Most likely USA billion by the press to make it sound more expensive



It is, but it's standardised now. We adopted the US stance on billion and trillion years ago for clarity. If it was old UK billion then the figure would be even more unbelievable (around 50x UK GDP per annum). It's still utter tosh as it is.

rick77

It is, but it's standardised now. We adopted the US stance on billion and … It is, but it's standardised now. We adopted the US stance on billion and trillion years ago for clarity. If it was old UK billion then the figure would be even more unbelievable (around 50x UK GDP per annum). It's still utter tosh as it is.



Agree

Yeah, we've used the nine zero version of a billion for a long while now. It does seem odd that it ever took favour, since it came from 'bi', meaning two, and 'million'. Two lots of a million would have meant twelve zeros, but who can argue with popularity, eh?:)

if you like the shirt buy it and move to scotland the scripts are free and join the bell ringing baldies and the woolie hat mob

Original Poster

Joe90_guy

The 1945 Attlee government figured out that we needed both a universal … The 1945 Attlee government figured out that we needed both a universal NHS and a credible nuclear deterrent. That's been the considered consensus view, regardless of who's in power, for the last 67 years. On that basis, I will not be buying this T-shirt...



I wouldn't advise you always relying on things worked out in the 40s... But whatever floats your boat I suppose!

Oh and I'll take this time to say everyone, the controversial response I have received to this has been interesting. I am still glad I posted! All is good.

Once all the incompetent managers in the NHS have been sacked, there should be plenty of cash free to increase nurses' pay.

We'd have great health care for when we were unable to defend ourselves from attack

I'd buy an "NHS NOT HS2" shirt. Think I might be on to something there...

we use the 'short-billion' in economics, and the actually correct 'long-billion' in mathematics...
and remember we still use the long 'programme' most of the time, even though we adopted the American short 'program' for computing

mcek

we use the 'short-billion' in economics, and the actually correct … we use the 'short-billion' in economics, and the actually correct 'long-billion' in mathematics...

Do you have any information to support this? It seems like we've used the short scale in everything for some time, and to attempt using both in different fields seems ludicrous.

who's interested in all that bumf

landwomble

I'd buy an "NHS NOT HS2" shirt. Think I might be on to something there...


As i work on overhead power systems i would buy a HS2 NOT NHS shirt!
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