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I would love one of these but with the risk of losing my car and lorry licence for riding anywhere no point...
Just came back from valencia where they were using these scooters to get all around the city to and from work in the dedicated cycle lanes, it was amazing. London is so behind the times, terrible city.
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These are amazing fun and I can recommend them to anyone.

Like @Hassann I got one of the Xioami M365s, uploaded custom firmware onto it (takes about 5 mins) and it now flies along at 35kph. Does my ten mile commute to work easily, plug it in for a bit of free electricity, then home.

It does take a bit of getting used to, to be honest mainly braking (which is why I fell off and have a bit of road rash to prove it). But petrol @ £3 vs scooter at 3p... no brainer, especially as you can go onto cycle paths to get around congestion.

FWIW passed loads of police cars who haven't batted an eyelid. I know everyone always bring up one cop who pulled a few people on scooters. But when driving I got pulled at midnight doing 40mph on a dual carriageway in the middle of nowhere. There is always one police officer who is a humourless git and if you encounter him... pay the fine and move on, you've already save in petrol.

Pretty certain this will get even better both as the weather improves and more and more people have them.
Edited by: "deleted249798" 12th Jan
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John_2613/01/2020 07:56

how did you make your 365pro goes to 34kmh ? what firmware you need to …how did you make your 365pro goes to 34kmh ? what firmware you need to download ?


Hope @Hassann doesn't mind me answering.

1. Download m365Downg from Play Store (only works on Android so you'll have to borrow a phone if you have iPhone).
2. Turn on your scooter. Open app and press "Connect" within 10 seconds of so. You should see "MiScooterxxxx" with random numbers where the xxxxs are. Click on this.
3. The scooter will beep to confirm connection.
4. Press "Check version". It will give versions for BMS (battery manager), BLE (Bluetooth) and firmware. BLE is probably 110 which you need to change as it doesn't allow custom firmware
5. The first thing you MUST do is downgrade to BLE90 (the software which communicates between your phone and the scooter). You can find it in lots of places if you search "BLE90 M365", e.g.

spzjulien.royalwebhosting.net/M36…zip


Open the zip file in the app and flash across, takes a couple of minutes.


6. Once finished you will need to reconnect to your scooter. When you check version again it should say "BLE 90" or similar.


7. Now the exciting bit, choosing your own firmware. You can make your own via sites like M365 Pro Custom Firmwarebut I would start off with a ready made one because the custom firmware will basically accept any inputs, even ones which can fry the control board on steep hills. A good one to start with is M365 PRO DRV155 32kmh 50k 5% more power from this site

drive.google.com/dri…XXL

Despite the title it goes up to 34kmh and has much better acceleration than stock. BUT flashing new ones only takes a couple of minutes so you can try different ones very easily, from very aggressive ones if you don't mind sacrificing range to more economical ones.

To flash the custom firmware download it to your phone, connect to the M365 Pro like before and flash it across. Try to do it straight after you turn the scooter on so the scooter doesn't go to sleep. If it sticks, just try again.

After that the settings are instantly changed to the higher speed/power etc.

There are just two golden rules. If you don't follow them you may brick your scooter and need a new £40 display or a special connector.

1. Don't try and flash custom firmware without checking that your scooter has BLE 90 first (i.e. steps 5 & 6) (or you can use BLE 72 if you are having problems, but you will need to put back to BLE 90 afterwards for display and speeds to work properly. If you flash custom firmware on BLE 110 your scooter break.

2. Don't mix firmware. Older M365s mostly use 1.3.x or 1.4.x firmware. M365 Pros I think all use 1.5.x or 1.6.x. You can switch between 1.5 and 1.6, e.g. new scooters mostly come with 1.6.1 but you can flash 1.5.5 directly which is usually recommended. However, don't flash 1.3.8 firmware to your M365 Pro as it will break. The links I gave are only for M365 Pro so are safe to use.

Also obviously don't update the firmware through the Xiaomi app afterwards as it will reset to factory defaults.

Happy to help out if you have any issues but with the app it really is an easy process, I'm just writing it out in detail as there are a couple of important things to get right. Although of course it isn't officially supported and is at your own risk.
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Perfect this will help with my January workouts... @MrSwitch
Techgl12/01/2020 19:47

Perfect this will help with my January workouts... @MrSwitch


This is the future. Thank you @MrSwitch for sharing
apur3212/01/2020 19:51

This is the future. Thank you @MrSwitch for sharing


Cheers AP
I would love one of these but with the risk of losing my car and lorry licence for riding anywhere no point...
MrSwitch12/01/2020 19:54

Cheers AP


Looking at the congestion in London, this is the best solution for commuting
apur3212/01/2020 20:00

Looking at the congestion in London, this is the best solution for …Looking at the congestion in London, this is the best solution for commuting


I csn imagine you now Apur, scooting down Oxford Street, wind in your hair.... Then this

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I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing flieeesss!!!! Think the top speed is now 34kmh.

Completely transformed my experience.

What's meant to be better, the Ninebots or the M365 (standard version)?

I noticed the Alan key supplied in the Xaiomi M365 Pro box was branded Ninebot which was interesting... What link do these two manufacturers have?
Edited by: "Hassann" 12th Jan
The_Name_With_No_Man12/01/2020 21:02

in 2018 annual USA injuries stood at 14,651


There were nearly 40,000 electric scooter injuries in the United States between 2014 and 2018, according to a study published in the journal JAMA Surgery on Wednesday.

I'm guessing that's the amount of bike accidents in ths USA for just one year
In 2015, there were 45,000 reported bicycle accidents in the United States, down from 50,000 reported accidents in the prior year.
peoplepoweredmovement.org/bic…es/
Save.the.Pound12/01/2020 20:50

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True, but I wonder if prices will go up once they become legal to ride?
Just came back from valencia where they were using these scooters to get all around the city to and from work in the dedicated cycle lanes, it was amazing. London is so behind the times, terrible city.
Andymack11212/01/2020 19:59

I would love one of these but with the risk of losing my car and lorry …I would love one of these but with the risk of losing my car and lorry licence for riding anywhere no point...


Outside London police focus on more impacting crimes. Also (outside London) they show little or interest in dangerous cyclists.

But as always balance risk v gain.
Edited by: "afroylnt" 12th Jan
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These are amazing fun and I can recommend them to anyone.

Like @Hassann I got one of the Xioami M365s, uploaded custom firmware onto it (takes about 5 mins) and it now flies along at 35kph. Does my ten mile commute to work easily, plug it in for a bit of free electricity, then home.

It does take a bit of getting used to, to be honest mainly braking (which is why I fell off and have a bit of road rash to prove it). But petrol @ £3 vs scooter at 3p... no brainer, especially as you can go onto cycle paths to get around congestion.

FWIW passed loads of police cars who haven't batted an eyelid. I know everyone always bring up one cop who pulled a few people on scooters. But when driving I got pulled at midnight doing 40mph on a dual carriageway in the middle of nowhere. There is always one police officer who is a humourless git and if you encounter him... pay the fine and move on, you've already save in petrol.

Pretty certain this will get even better both as the weather improves and more and more people have them.
Edited by: "deleted249798" 12th Jan
Hassann12/01/2020 20:39

I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing …I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing flieeesss!!!! Think the top speed is now 34kmh.Completely transformed my experience.What's meant to be better, the Ninebots or the M365 (standard version)?I noticed the Alan key supplied in the Xaiomi M365 Pro box was branded Ninebot which was interesting... What link do these two manufacturers have?


So it’s worth doing ?
My kids have them. I wasn’t sure if I should or not
deleted24979812/01/2020 22:54

pay the fine and move on, you've already save in petrol.


Move on without the scooter. They can confiscate it for driving without insurance.
ssjinzo12/01/2020 21:15

There were nearly 40,000 electric scooter injuries in the United States …There were nearly 40,000 electric scooter injuries in the United States between 2014 and 2018, according to a study published in the journal JAMA Surgery on Wednesday. I'm guessing that's the amount of bike accidents in ths USA for just one year In 2015, there were 45,000 reported bicycle accidents in the United States, down from 50,000 reported accidents in the prior year. https://www.peoplepoweredmovement.org/bicycle-accidents-in-the-united-states/


The scooter accidents are in addition to, not instead of, bicycle accidents, and there aren't anything like as many escooters as bicycles, so the fact that there are more bicycle accidents is to be expected. The real story is the rapid increase in escooter accidents year on year, as more are being ridden.
Edited by: "The_Name_With_No_Man" 12th Jan
No Backsider yet?
ssjinzo12/01/2020 21:15

There were nearly 40,000 electric scooter injuries in the United States …There were nearly 40,000 electric scooter injuries in the United States between 2014 and 2018, according to a study published in the journal JAMA Surgery on Wednesday. I'm guessing that's the amount of bike accidents in ths USA for just one year In 2015, there were 45,000 reported bicycle accidents in the United States, down from 50,000 reported accidents in the prior year. https://www.peoplepoweredmovement.org/bicycle-accidents-in-the-united-states/


Quote from your link "79 per cent were under the influence of drugs, and 52 per cent had ingested drugs. All in all, you'd have to be a damn idiot to ride on those things drunk or high, without a helmet."
Glad I'm not American
Edited by: "HerefordCiderApples" 12th Jan
'....But when driving I got pulled at midnight doing 40mph on a dual carriageway in the middle of nowhere. '

Assume that given you were doing 40 you weren't scootering.
gylesrainer12/01/2020 23:41

So it’s worth doing ? My kids have them. I wasn’t sure if I should or not


Definitely! So easy to do as well. It completely transformed my experience of riding one! If you need a hand in doing it, feel free to give me a shout. I also have the files stored which I could forward on to you
Hassann12/01/2020 20:39

I noticed the Alan key supplied in the Xaiomi M365 Pro box was branded …I noticed the Alan key supplied in the Xaiomi M365 Pro box was branded Ninebot which was interesting... What link do these two manufacturers have?


Xiaomi back a company called Ninebot which acquired Segway:

theguardian.com/tec…bot
londonstinks12/01/2020 22:19

Just came back from valencia where they were using these scooters to get …Just came back from valencia where they were using these scooters to get all around the city to and from work in the dedicated cycle lanes, it was amazing. London is so behind the times, terrible city.


Lol you're kidding me, have you ever tried cycling in Madrid? It's horrible but on the plus side they have a good bike hire scheme but then so does London. It's also arguably harder to cycle in Spain than the UK, not just because of the lack of infrastructure in places like Madrid but also becuase zebra crossings are far more numerous. You always have to keep your wits about you on a bike but that does take some getting use to, in my experience it means you tend to cycle at lower speeds.

Granted though these aren't road legal in the UK.
Edited by: "sotomonkey" 13th Jan
MrSwitch12/01/2020 20:05

I csn imagine you now Apur, scooting down Oxford Street, wind in your …I csn imagine you now Apur, scooting down Oxford Street, wind in your hair.... Then this [Image]


then ticket, fine and court case in local magistrat.
#welcometolondon
Hassann12/01/2020 20:39

I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing …I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing flieeesss!!!! Think the top speed is now 34kmh.Completely transformed my experience.What's meant to be better, the Ninebots or the M365 (standard version)?I noticed the Alan key supplied in the Xaiomi M365 Pro box was branded Ninebot which was interesting... What link do these two manufacturers have?


how did you make your 365pro goes to 34kmh ? what firmware you need to download ?
Nice scooter and you can install a battery Which turns it into an ES4... That said the m365 pro seems to come out ahead of the es4.
HerefordCiderApples12/01/2020 23:47

No Backsider yet?


Did you know that you can change your username in here? Once a month. Anyway, the OP posted a disclaimer in the deal description.
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John_2613/01/2020 07:56

how did you make your 365pro goes to 34kmh ? what firmware you need to …how did you make your 365pro goes to 34kmh ? what firmware you need to download ?


Hope @Hassann doesn't mind me answering.

1. Download m365Downg from Play Store (only works on Android so you'll have to borrow a phone if you have iPhone).
2. Turn on your scooter. Open app and press "Connect" within 10 seconds of so. You should see "MiScooterxxxx" with random numbers where the xxxxs are. Click on this.
3. The scooter will beep to confirm connection.
4. Press "Check version". It will give versions for BMS (battery manager), BLE (Bluetooth) and firmware. BLE is probably 110 which you need to change as it doesn't allow custom firmware
5. The first thing you MUST do is downgrade to BLE90 (the software which communicates between your phone and the scooter). You can find it in lots of places if you search "BLE90 M365", e.g.

spzjulien.royalwebhosting.net/M36…zip


Open the zip file in the app and flash across, takes a couple of minutes.


6. Once finished you will need to reconnect to your scooter. When you check version again it should say "BLE 90" or similar.


7. Now the exciting bit, choosing your own firmware. You can make your own via sites like M365 Pro Custom Firmwarebut I would start off with a ready made one because the custom firmware will basically accept any inputs, even ones which can fry the control board on steep hills. A good one to start with is M365 PRO DRV155 32kmh 50k 5% more power from this site

drive.google.com/dri…XXL

Despite the title it goes up to 34kmh and has much better acceleration than stock. BUT flashing new ones only takes a couple of minutes so you can try different ones very easily, from very aggressive ones if you don't mind sacrificing range to more economical ones.

To flash the custom firmware download it to your phone, connect to the M365 Pro like before and flash it across. Try to do it straight after you turn the scooter on so the scooter doesn't go to sleep. If it sticks, just try again.

After that the settings are instantly changed to the higher speed/power etc.

There are just two golden rules. If you don't follow them you may brick your scooter and need a new £40 display or a special connector.

1. Don't try and flash custom firmware without checking that your scooter has BLE 90 first (i.e. steps 5 & 6) (or you can use BLE 72 if you are having problems, but you will need to put back to BLE 90 afterwards for display and speeds to work properly. If you flash custom firmware on BLE 110 your scooter break.

2. Don't mix firmware. Older M365s mostly use 1.3.x or 1.4.x firmware. M365 Pros I think all use 1.5.x or 1.6.x. You can switch between 1.5 and 1.6, e.g. new scooters mostly come with 1.6.1 but you can flash 1.5.5 directly which is usually recommended. However, don't flash 1.3.8 firmware to your M365 Pro as it will break. The links I gave are only for M365 Pro so are safe to use.

Also obviously don't update the firmware through the Xiaomi app afterwards as it will reset to factory defaults.

Happy to help out if you have any issues but with the app it really is an easy process, I'm just writing it out in detail as there are a couple of important things to get right. Although of course it isn't officially supported and is at your own risk.
Hassann12/01/2020 20:39

I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing …I downloaded modded firmware onto my M365 Pro 2 days back. Damn the thing flieeesss!!!! Think the top speed is now 34kmh.Completely transformed my experience.What's meant to be better, the Ninebots or the M365 (standard version)?I noticed the Alan key supplied in the Xaiomi M365 Pro box was branded Ninebot which was interesting... What link do these two manufacturers have?


Just bought a m365 pro it is actually manufactured by ninebot as per paperwork
The_Name_With_No_Man12/01/2020 21:02

in 2018 annual USA injuries stood at 14,651


Come on, that's yanks

A yank even managed to kill someone with "friendly fire" in Brigadoon.
deleted24979813/01/2020 11:25

Hope @Hassann doesn't mind me answering.1. Download m365Downg from Play …Hope @Hassann doesn't mind me answering.1. Download m365Downg from Play Store (only works on Android so you'll have to borrow a phone if you have iPhone).2. Turn on your scooter. Open app and press "Connect" within 10 seconds of so. You should see "MiScooterxxxx" with random numbers where the xxxxs are. Click on this.3. The scooter will beep to confirm connection.4. Press "Check version". It will give versions for BMS (battery manager), BLE (Bluetooth) and firmware. BLE is probably 110 which you need to change as it doesn't allow custom firmware5. The first thing you MUST do is downgrade to BLE90 (the software which communicates between your phone and the scooter). You can find it in lots of places if you search "BLE90 M365", e.g.http://spzjulien.royalwebhosting.net/M365/M365Firmwares/BLE90.zipOpen the zip file in the app and flash across, takes a couple of minutes.6. Once finished you will need to reconnect to your scooter. When you check version again it should say "BLE 90" or similar.7. Now the exciting bit, choosing your own firmware. You can make your own via sites like M365 Pro Custom Firmware but I would start off with a ready made one because the custom firmware will basically accept any inputs, even ones which can fry the control board on steep hills. A good one to start with is M365 PRO DRV155 32kmh 50k 5% more power from this sitehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iBWvNlK2HpYiROFVSilB1a6eY8M71XXLDespite the title it goes up to 34kmh and has much better acceleration than stock. BUT flashing new ones only takes a couple of minutes so you can try different ones very easily, from very aggressive ones if you don't mind sacrificing range to more economical ones.To flash the custom firmware download it to your phone, connect to the M365 Pro like before and flash it across. Try to do it straight after you turn the scooter on so the scooter doesn't go to sleep. If it sticks, just try again.After that the settings are instantly changed to the higher speed/power etc.There are just two golden rules. If you don't follow them you may brick your scooter and need a new £40 display or a special connector.1. Don't try and flash custom firmware without checking that your scooter has BLE 90 first (i.e. steps 5 & 6) (or you can use BLE 72 if you are having problems, but you will need to put back to BLE 90 afterwards for display and speeds to work properly. If you flash custom firmware on BLE 110 your scooter break.2. Don't mix firmware. Older M365s mostly use 1.3.x or 1.4.x firmware. M365 Pros I think all use 1.5.x or 1.6.x. You can switch between 1.5 and 1.6, e.g. new scooters mostly come with 1.6.1 but you can flash 1.5.5 directly which is usually recommended. However, don't flash 1.3.8 firmware to your M365 Pro as it will break. The links I gave are only for M365 Pro so are safe to use.Also obviously don't update the firmware through the Xiaomi app afterwards as it will reset to factory defaults.Happy to help out if you have any issues but with the app it really is an easy process, I'm just writing it out in detail as there are a couple of important things to get right. Although of course it isn't officially supported and is at your own risk.


Thank you for answering for me, much appreciated. I don't mind at all! I just woke up so apologies all for the delayed response.

Hopefully you know the answer to my questions...

I chose GONKAD365 from the custom firmware list which modifies the value of the following:

- Maximum speed in Sport Mode: 35 km/h
- Change currents in Sport Mode: Sport max phase current 40000 mA and Sport max battery current 20000 mA
- Maximum speed in Drive Mode: 27 km/h
- Motor start speed: 2.0 km/h

What does 'change currents in Sport Mode' actually do?

Is this safe or should I stick to GONKA or GONKAD which doesn't touch the currents? Don't want to risk burning out the motor or damaging anything else. I also don't want KERS to stop working properly.

What firmware option did you choose?


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Many thanks for your help!!
Edited by: "Hassann" 13th Jan
ibiza13/01/2020 13:46

Come on, that's yanks


I refer the honourable member to the answer I gave earlier, re: Berlin, Singapore, etc.
deleted24979813/01/2020 11:25

Hope @Hassann doesn't mind me answering.1. Download m365Downg from Play …Hope @Hassann doesn't mind me answering.1. Download m365Downg from Play Store (only works on Android so you'll have to borrow a phone if you have iPhone).2. Turn on your scooter. Open app and press "Connect" within 10 seconds of so. You should see "MiScooterxxxx" with random numbers where the xxxxs are. Click on this.3. The scooter will beep to confirm connection.4. Press "Check version". It will give versions for BMS (battery manager), BLE (Bluetooth) and firmware. BLE is probably 110 which you need to change as it doesn't allow custom firmware5. The first thing you MUST do is downgrade to BLE90 (the software which communicates between your phone and the scooter). You can find it in lots of places if you search "BLE90 M365", e.g.http://spzjulien.royalwebhosting.net/M365/M365Firmwares/BLE90.zipOpen the zip file in the app and flash across, takes a couple of minutes.6. Once finished you will need to reconnect to your scooter. When you check version again it should say "BLE 90" or similar.7. Now the exciting bit, choosing your own firmware. You can make your own via sites like M365 Pro Custom Firmware but I would start off with a ready made one because the custom firmware will basically accept any inputs, even ones which can fry the control board on steep hills. A good one to start with is M365 PRO DRV155 32kmh 50k 5% more power from this sitehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iBWvNlK2HpYiROFVSilB1a6eY8M71XXLDespite the title it goes up to 34kmh and has much better acceleration than stock. BUT flashing new ones only takes a couple of minutes so you can try different ones very easily, from very aggressive ones if you don't mind sacrificing range to more economical ones.To flash the custom firmware download it to your phone, connect to the M365 Pro like before and flash it across. Try to do it straight after you turn the scooter on so the scooter doesn't go to sleep. If it sticks, just try again.After that the settings are instantly changed to the higher speed/power etc.There are just two golden rules. If you don't follow them you may brick your scooter and need a new £40 display or a special connector.1. Don't try and flash custom firmware without checking that your scooter has BLE 90 first (i.e. steps 5 & 6) (or you can use BLE 72 if you are having problems, but you will need to put back to BLE 90 afterwards for display and speeds to work properly. If you flash custom firmware on BLE 110 your scooter break.2. Don't mix firmware. Older M365s mostly use 1.3.x or 1.4.x firmware. M365 Pros I think all use 1.5.x or 1.6.x. You can switch between 1.5 and 1.6, e.g. new scooters mostly come with 1.6.1 but you can flash 1.5.5 directly which is usually recommended. However, don't flash 1.3.8 firmware to your M365 Pro as it will break. The links I gave are only for M365 Pro so are safe to use.Also obviously don't update the firmware through the Xiaomi app afterwards as it will reset to factory defaults.Happy to help out if you have any issues but with the app it really is an easy process, I'm just writing it out in detail as there are a couple of important things to get right. Although of course it isn't officially supported and is at your own risk.


tony one important question I didn't realise I have my pro upgrade the firmware to version 1.6.8 can I still doing that or not ?
This discussion seems to be mainly about the Xiaomi M365 Pro. Any thoughts about the Segway scooter posted? Is it better than the basic M365? Or the Pro? Or is it the same thing with a different label? Might be an illusion, but this one seems more compact to me, which might be an advantage unless it means a shorter range.
John_2613/01/2020 16:09

tony one important question I didn't realise I have my pro upgrade the …tony one important question I didn't realise I have my pro upgrade the firmware to version 1.6.8 can I still doing that or not ?


You can still upgrade, you just need to downgrade your Bluetooth (BLE) version to 090 then undertake the firmware download.

Follow the below YouTube link for a full step-by-step guide:

Edited by: "Hassann" 13th Jan
sotomonkey13/01/2020 02:12

Lol you're kidding me, have you ever tried cycling in Madrid? It's …Lol you're kidding me, have you ever tried cycling in Madrid? It's horrible but on the plus side they have a good bike hire scheme but then so does London. It's also arguably harder to cycle in Spain than the UK, not just because of the lack of infrastructure in places like Madrid but also becuase zebra crossings are far more numerous. You always have to keep your wits about you on a bike but that does take some getting use to, in my experience it means you tend to cycle at lower speeds.Granted though these aren't road legal in the UK.



Never been to Madrid so can't comment on that, I was talking about Valencia.
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Dodge6213/01/2020 16:48

This discussion seems to be mainly about the Xiaomi M365 Pro. Any thoughts …This discussion seems to be mainly about the Xiaomi M365 Pro. Any thoughts about the Segway scooter posted? Is it better than the basic M365? Or the Pro? Or is it the same thing with a different label? Might be an illusion, but this one seems more compact to me, which might be an advantage unless it means a shorter range.


They are different.

Segway battery capacity is only 40% of XIaomi M365 Pro. That means not only the obvious that you can't go as fast, but also it can't deliver power (or be modded for speed) without adding an external battery.

Segway has suspension and solid tyres versus pneumatic tyres on M365. So M365 slightly better handling at the expense of having to use a slime + pump for inevitable flats. M365 can also cope with minor off road riding.

I do like the idea of a throttle for the regenerative brake on the Segway, on the M365 this is infamously fairly blunt, you can choose between Weak, Medium or Strong but at high speeds Med and Strong have a habit of frying the control board.

Essentially, the Segway is fine if you just want to make short journeys. If you want to make longer journeys, higher speeds, faster acceleration and not treat it so much like a kick scooter, then the M365 Pro is probably better. Not to mention aftermarket and spare parts for the M365 are cheaper and easier to come by.
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