Novatech Barebone Bundle - Intel Celeron E3200 - 2Gb DDR2 800Mhz - Intel G31 Motherboard - 4 Bay ATX Tower Case & PSU £129.99
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Novatech Barebone Bundle - Intel Celeron E3200 - 2Gb DDR2 800Mhz - Intel G31 Motherboard - 4 Bay ATX Tower Case & PSU £129.99

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Found 31st Oct 2009Made hot 7th Nov 2009
The main specifications of this barebones are: -

# Intel Celeron E3200 2.4Ghz
# 2Gb 240Pin DDR2 800Mhz
# ATX Tower Case With 400w PSU
# Intel G31 + ICH7 Motherboard

This is a very hot deal as at this moment in time - it's actually more expensive to buy the parts seperately and put them together yourself. This comes prebuilt (obviously without hard drive/dvd drive etc.) and comes to about £20 cheaper than buying everything seperately.

NB. They are also selling Windows 7 Home Premium retail for £83 at the moment, and with his bundle, you can get £10 off that too making it £73 - bargain considering Windows 7 has actually been released now!!

46 Comments

is this any good ? is this better than AMD ?

Original Poster

it's based on the same architecture as the core 2 duo and pentium dual core chips. It is better than AMD because its 45nm, has a core clock of 2.4ghz and can be overclocked higher, and it has 1mb cache alongside an 800mhz FSB. Just because it's celeron doesnt make it rubbish - in fact it's great.

Plus, this celeron chip has Intel Virtualization meaning you can you the Windows XP Mode in Professional and Ultimate versions of the new Windows 7

any free delivery codes ?

will that take a radeon 9200 se graphics card ?

Original Poster

There's a free delivery option available anyway...

...and with the question about the 9200, if it is a PCI or PCI-Express Card, then it'll work fine (maybe not with Windows 7 though....). If its an AGP card though, then it won't work - these modern boards don't have AGP slots.

alexwalker3;6740698

it's based on the same architecture as the core 2 duo and pentium dual … it's based on the same architecture as the core 2 duo and pentium dual core chips. It is better than AMD because its 45nm, has a core clock of 2.4ghz and can be overclocked higher, and it has 1mb cache alongside an 800mhz FSB. Just because it's celeron doesnt make it rubbish - in fact it's great. Plus, this celeron chip has Intel Virtualization meaning you can you the Windows XP Mode in Professional and Ultimate versions of the new Windows 7



lol better than amd, depends on which amd cpu you are referring too. There are lots of amd 45nm cpus out there too.

£20 cheaper? £127.93 with a 450w psu so lukewarm for me as its similar price to buying it separately but it comes pre built.
£33.93 for the cpu
2gb cruical ram
gigabyte g31 motherboard
caseom atx case and 450w psu
£127.93 free delivery
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h296/computerman_01/celeronpc.jpg

The CPU's relatively horrendous to be honest.

saying this is better than an AMD cpu is just silly. It'll trounce an original semperon or an athlon tbird, and my phenom ii will absolutely bury it.

[edit] for the record, my chip's 45nm. equally, did someone REALLY just boast about 1MB of L2 cache? Have I hit a time warp? [/edit]

cruisecars;6740661

is this any good ? is this better than AMD ?



Better than AMD what? AMD is a manufacturer of processors, graphics cards, and more.

Personally, due to past experiences, I'd stay clear of anything with Celeron on it.

alexwalker3;6740698

it's based on the same architecture as the core 2 duo and pentium dual … it's based on the same architecture as the core 2 duo and pentium dual core chips. It is better than AMD because its 45nm, has a core clock of 2.4ghz and can be overclocked higher, and it has 1mb cache alongside an 800mhz FSB. Just because it's celeron doesnt make it rubbish - in fact it's great.



All this means nothing when you take into account clock for clock performance.
Depending on the processor, a 2.6Ghz genericbrand1 could provide better performance than a 3.6Ghz genericbrand2.

Indeed, the name alone doesn't mean it is rubbish, however, don't expect too much from it. Celeron is and has always been Intel's budget range.

Banned

why not just pay £90 more and get a 2.93ghz dual core, 750gb sata2 hdd, dvdrw and 4GB RAM

this is a poor deal imho

This Celeron has 45nm Wolfdale core and 1mb of cache .It's not going to be any slower than Pentium Dual Core E2xxx and not that much than E5XXX or E6XXX @the same clock - it's fairly decent CPU and very good overclocker too.

IMO, the only cons of the series is lack of speedstep and VR, first one is not performance related and the second reserved for E6XXX + ,so far more expensive too (I meam %) .

More than enough power for vast majority of PC users.

Decent if you're building a spare or for someone else but little room for expansion:
1 x PCIe x16
1 x PCIe x1

Not bad for a budget PC, but.. Intel boards are very basic, so not many tweeks will be possible.

What 400W PSU?

I think you would be better to cherry pick quality parts.Ebuyer sell a Be quiet! 350W PSU for around £30. Cases can be as little as £20.

Cheap stick of RAM etc.. AMD Athlon II for £40 and a 740, 760 or 780G board will come out around the same price and be far better in the long run imo.

alfreer1;6751944

Decent if you're building a spare or for someone else but little room for … Decent if you're building a spare or for someone else but little room for expansion:1 x PCIe x161 x PCIe x1



that is becos the motherboard is the micro atx form factor. So the motherboard is small, cheap and lacks expansion slots.

csiman;6749037

why not just pay £90 more and get a 2.93ghz dual core, 750gb sata2 hdd, … why not just pay £90 more and get a 2.93ghz dual core, 750gb sata2 hdd, dvdrw and 4GB RAMthis is a poor deal imho



The eBuyer one? It's gone...

csiman;6749037

why not just pay £90 more ....


because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you mindless donkey.

90 quid is a fair amount of money to some of us.

half wondering about a raid controller and a few hard drives and use it as a storage server...

niceguyrichy;6810192

because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you … because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you mindless donkey.90 quid is a fair amount of money to some of us.



i dont think anyone goes buying a PC with a budget of £130..............firstly becuase this should be extinct with the dinosaurs and secondly becuase you buy computers once in a while so you want something decent.

this comes noway near decent.

I wouldn't say this is hot to be honest.
The lack of expansion on the motherboard lets it down, and I've never known a Celeron CPU to not be frustratingly slow compared to others.
Not voted cold though. Just not voted.

niceguyrichy;6810192

because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you … because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you mindless donkey.90 quid is a fair amount of money to some of us.



LOL, you're spot on, this happens everytime on computer and bike threads:thumbsup:

Think I'll steal this phrase for use elsewhere on here.

fps_d0minat0r;6810409

i dont think anyone goes buying a PC with a budget of … i dont think anyone goes buying a PC with a budget of £130..............firstly becuase this should be extinct with the dinosaurs and secondly becuase you buy computers once in a while so you want something decent.this comes noway near decent.



WHAT'S 'DECENT'?? you're clearly a mindless donkey too.

nonetheless, i'll let you in on a little secret..


[SIZE="1"]some people just want the cheapest, most basic of computers for nothing more than checking email and gently browsing the occasional forum..[/SIZE]

In which case go buy a refurbed ex-corporate box for £50. Why waste your money on this you mindless donkey?

A Celeron's future proof for about 6 months.

While I'll have to disagree with many the E3xxx series processors are very good value for money.

What I don't get with these systems is its not an upgrade bundle like a mobo and processor nor a full system. As most people will want a hard disk and a dvd drive (TBH at this price I'd be putting linux on and would install from a usb key not having a dvd drive is no great loss) you would be looking around the £175 mark which isn't so headline grabbing.

csiman;6749037

why not just pay £90 more and get a 2.93ghz dual core, 750gb sata2 hdd, … why not just pay £90 more and get a 2.93ghz dual core, 750gb sata2 hdd, dvdrw and 4GB RAMthis is a poor deal imho



That sounds pretty good to me where is this from

micncibec;6810796

That sounds pretty good to me where is this from



Ditto,the piece of scrap I'm using (Packard Bell)is doing my head in.It keeps
freezing for no reason and is no better than the "Tiny" Desktop it
replaced that was 8 years old.I want something for gaming&HD.The one I
have failed the Gears of War test on CPU 1.60ghz(minimum needed intel 2.4 ghz/
AMD 2.o ghz)CPU speed 1.60(minimum needed 2.4)Ram 766.5 mb (minimum needed 1GB)
graphics card passed NVidia geforce 7050 nforce 610i.Any help much appreciated.
Got my eye on this for a monitor,its 23 inch does that make any difference against 22" or 24 "
as regards aspect ratio's seems an odd size but recommended elsewhere.
oyyy.co.uk/pro…ck-

In comparison this would match a AMD Athlon II 6000+ not bad for a budget range CPU, as for it "being better than AMD" whatever that means, my Phenom II x3 720 BE would certainly beat this little chip into its own cores,

As for AMD in general, sure Intel`s i7 series is the big boy in town but for gaming you cant beat a Phenom II, and correct me if im wrong but AMD makes ATI Cards and ATI currently are the better performers over Nvidia.

haritori;6811581

As for AMD in general, sure Intel`s i7 series is the big boy in town but … As for AMD in general, sure Intel`s i7 series is the big boy in town but for gaming you cant beat a Phenom II.


Core i5 dominates Phenom II in gaming let alone Core i7; see Xbitlabs.

Agharta;6812530

Core i5 dominates Phenom II in gaming let alone Core i7; see Xbitlabs.



Intel pays these dudes to skew results in their direction.

Nevertheless, NEVER EVER buy a Celeron. It is money wasted.

k0sh;6813677

Intel pays these dudes to skew results in their direction.


I didn’t realise that ALL the hardware sites were paid by Intel to lie. Next time I read a website review I’ll wear a tin foil hat to make sure I’m not unduly influenced. Can you recommend a particular brand of tin foil hat! Which one do you wear?

k0sh;6813677

Nevertheless, NEVER EVER buy a Celeron. It is money wasted.


I think you may have your tin foil hat strapped to your head too tightly as it seems to be impeding the blood flow to your brain which is affecting your judgment.
Wouldn’t it be better to base decisions on reviews rather than have a knee jerk reaction to the word Celeron? Maybe all that excess blood is collecting around your knees which explains your response!

niceguyrichy;6810192

because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you … because some people actually have to work within a f*#cking budget , you mindless donkey.90 quid is a fair amount of money to some of us.



I must admit that all this talk of donkeys has had me in fits of laughter. This thread seems to have hit a raw nerve with some people.

Perseonally, I can see a use for this budget PC. A friend of mine just wants a PC on which he can view youtube, surf the net, use microsoft office, etc. No gaming or HD video watching.

Some people are making the celeron out to be a total waste of money. I disagree and I think it is adequate for performing the tasks that I've listed above.

sunama;6814592

I must admit that all this talk of donkeys has had me in fits of … I must admit that all this talk of donkeys has had me in fits of laughter. This thread seems to have hit a raw nerve with some people.Perseonally, I can see a use for this budget PC. A friend of mine just wants a PC on which he can view youtube, surf the net, use microsoft office, etc. No gaming or HD video watching.Some people are making the celeron out to be a total waste of money. I disagree and I think it is adequate for performing the tasks that I've listed above.



You're right, no doubt it will be perfectly adequate for basic things like surfing and word processing for the immediate future but in next to no time it will quickly become very sluggish as vital prerequisite things are updated on it like drivers, MS updates, anti virus and app updates. It will then take ages to boot-up and anything will take an eternity to open and run.

Even if you buy a fairly ninja high spec PC right now for fairly basic non-gaming use it will most likely need major hardware upgrades after three years. After 17 years of buying PCs one thing i've learnt is cutting corners on spec can very quickly become a false economy.

RedOnRed;6817851

You're right, no doubt it will be perfectly adequate for basic things … You're right, no doubt it will be perfectly adequate for basic things like surfing and word processing for the immediate future but in next to no time it will quickly become very sluggish as vital prerequisite things are updated on it like drivers, MS updates, anti virus and app updates. It will then take ages to boot-up and anything will take an eternity to open and run.


These new Celerons are 45nm Core 2 Duos with less cache which for mainstream applications is generally irrelevant provided you have 1MB which these do. The previous generation Celerons were unduly crippled but this generation are decent mainstream CPUs with plenty of life left in them; see Xbitlabs.

You do realise that updating drivers and applications can actually improve performance as well as sometimes reducing it? Windows 7 is very fast on my 2.8GHz Pentium Dual Core and is unlikely to be slowed down significantly in the next 3 years. You are talking uninformed nonsense.

RedOnRed;6817851

Even if you buy a fairly ninja high spec PC right now for fairly basic … Even if you buy a fairly ninja high spec PC right now for fairly basic non-gaming use it will most likely need major hardware upgrades after three years.


So a Core i7 system will struggle to run Windows 7 and mainstream applications in 3 years time! :roll:

Agharta;6818597

These new Celerons are 45nm Core 2 Duos with less cache which for … These new Celerons are 45nm Core 2 Duos with less cache which for mainstream applications is generally irrelevant provided you have 1MB which these do. The previous generation Celerons were unduly crippled but this generation are decent mainstream CPUs with plenty of life left in them; see ]Xbitlabs.You do realise that updating drivers and applications can actually improve performance as well as sometimes reducing it? Windows 7 is very fast on my 2.8GHz Pentium Dual Core and is unlikely to be slowed down significantly in the next 3 years. You are talking uninformed nonsense.So a Core i7 system will struggle to run Windows 7 and mainstream applications in 3 years time! :roll:



I didn't exactly say that, but most people do tend to upgrade something after about 3 years, ie, CPU, RAM or something.

RedOnRed;6817851

Even if you buy a fairly ninja high spec PC right now for fairly basic … Even if you buy a fairly ninja high spec PC right now for fairly basic non-gaming use it will most likely [SIZE="3"]need major hardware upgrades[/SIZE] after three years.



RedOnRed;6819522

I didn't exactly say that, but most people do tend to upgrade something … I didn't exactly say that, but most people do tend to upgrade something after about 3 years, ie, CPU, RAM or something.


You said that even for basic usage that it will likely NEED major hardware upgrades.
The only upgrade that I can see that will be NEEDED is to add extra RAM and that’s hardly a major upgrade. 3 years is a long time to go without upgrading memory. Anything else is a discretionary upgrade which is a different category. I’m not trying to be pedantic but there’s a big difference between the two.

RedOnRed;6817851

After 17 years of buying PCs one thing I’ve learnt is cutting corners on s … After 17 years of buying PCs one thing I’ve learnt is cutting corners on spec can very quickly become a false economy.


The skill I think is to determine where you can cut corners safely and where it is unwise to do so which can be difficult to differentiate between.
Upgrading a CPU is quick and easy though so I’d only buy what I need now knowing that I can upgrade to a quad core as and when I need to with the price very likely being cheaper.

Agharta;6820329

You said that even for basic usage that it will likely NEED major … You said that even for basic usage that it will likely NEED major hardware upgrades.The only upgrade that I can see that will be NEEDED is to add extra RAM and that’s hardly a major upgrade. 3 years is a long time to go without upgrading memory. Anything else is a discretionary upgrade which is a different category. I’m not trying to be pedantic but there’s a big difference between the two.The skill I think is to determine where you can cut corners safely and where it is unwise to do so which can be difficult to differentiate between.Upgrading a CPU is quick and easy though so I’d only buy what I need now knowing that I can upgrade to a quad core as and when I need to with the price very likely being cheaper.



Upgrading a CPU isn't necessarily quite as easy if you have to replace the motherboard as well.

RedOnRed;6821237

Upgrading a CPU isn't necessarily quite as easy if you have to replace … Upgrading a CPU isn't necessarily quite as easy if you have to replace the motherboard as well.


The G31 chipset supports up to 1333 FSB and Quad Core so provided the board has a recent VRM it should support just about any current Intel Core 2 based CPU. So there is no need to swap the mobo to upgrade the CPU or are you saying that a 3GHz Quad Core won't be enough to run Windows 7 in 3 years time.

Agharta;6821743

The G31 chipset supports up to 1333 FSB and Quad Core so provided the … The G31 chipset supports up to 1333 FSB and Quad Core so provided the board has a recent VRM it should support just about any current Intel Core 2 based CPU. So there is no need to swap the mobo to upgrade the CPU or are you saying that a 3GHz Quad Core won't be enough to run Windows 7 in 3 years time.



We might be drifting away from the main point here which was my view of a lower spec PC not necessarily making long term sense.

Maybe Celerons have improved a bit but i've had too much unfortunate personal experience of having to try and make my parents Celeron based PC (which I advised them not to get in the first place) go quicker. Within months it was crawling like a dog and a RAM upgrade did little to improve and stem the increasing slowness. Add to that the drudgery of having to deal with Celerons in my professional role in IT then I can't help feeling that their redeeming features are pretty unpersuasive.

If people really just want a cheapo no thrills PC for word processing and internet usage i'd perhaps start to think about something functional and portable like a netbook.

RedOnRed;6822028

We might be drifting away from the main point here which was my view of a … We might be drifting away from the main point here which was my view of a lower spec PC not necessarily making long term sense.


A valid point but I think you grossly overstated your case which weakened it.
The problem with systems like this is that they often don’t give you enough information about the hardware spec so it’s not possible to know definitively how upgradeable they are. E.g. How many RAM slots, which CPUs are supported.

RedOnRed;6822028

Maybe Celerons have improved a bit but i've had too much unfortunate … Maybe Celerons have improved a bit but i've had too much unfortunate personal experience of having to try and make my parents Celeron based PC (which I advised them not to get in the first place) go quicker. Within months it was crawling like a dog and a RAM upgrade did little to improve and stem the increasing slowness. Add to that the drudgery of having to deal with Celerons in my professional role in IT then I can't help feeling that their redeeming features are pretty unpersuasive.


I assume you didn’t bother to read the link I gave you earlier to a review of these current Celerons! They have improved more than just a bit and have a better spec than the original 45nm Pentium Dual Cores which are Core 2 Duos with a few minor downgrades. These Celerons support hardware virtualisation, Speedstep etc and the 1MB cache is a non issue for typical home usage, not great for some games though.
Forget the Celerons of old, leave your understandable prejudice at the door and meet the new Celerons.

Agharta;6822295

A valid point but I think you grossly overstated your case which weakened … A valid point but I think you grossly overstated your case which weakened it.The problem with systems like this is that they often don’t give you enough information about the hardware spec so it’s not possible to know definitively how upgradeable they are. E.g. How many RAM slots, which CPUs are supported.I assume you didn’t bother to read the link I gave you earlier to a review of these current Celerons! They have improved more than just a bit and have a better spec than the original 45nm Pentium Dual Cores which are Core 2 Duos with a few minor downgrades. These Celerons support hardware virtualisation, Speedstep etc and the 1MB cache is a non issue for typical home usage, not great for some games though.Forget the Celerons of old, leave your understandable prejudice at the door and meet the new Celerons.




I've always found Celerons to be rubbish at running heavy calculations. Something to do with the maths co-processor, or lack of it, or something. You'll have excuse me, I may well be in IT but I don't pour over specifications.
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