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OLYMPUS E420 10MP DSLR CAMERA WITH 14-42MM LENS £213.98 @Argos Ebay.
OLYMPUS E420 10MP DSLR CAMERA WITH 14-42MM LENS £213.98 @Argos Ebay.

OLYMPUS E420 10MP DSLR CAMERA WITH 14-42MM LENS £213.98 @Argos Ebay.

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E420.
10 mega pixels.
Live MOS sensor, 17.3 x 13mm.
Viewing
2.7in LCD screen with Live View.
Features
1600
Shutter speed 1/4000 to 60sec.
JPEG and RAW file format.
Continuous shooting up to 3.5 frames per second.
Memory card compatibility: Compact Flash, xD picture card.
18 scene modes.
Built-in flash.
Hot shoe for additional flash.
PictBridge compatible.
Four Thirds lens mount - 25 lenses available.
Rechargeable Li-ion battery supplied.
Accessories included: shoulder strap, battery charger.
Weight 380g.
Size H9.1, W12.9, D5.3cm.
Lens
Focal length 14-42mm.
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Original Poster

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Edited by: "diGriz" 6th Aug 2010

Re-listing of 192 unsold cameras (original quantity was 284 two weeks ago). Good second body for 4/3 system user.

pet2000

Re-listing of 192 unsold cameras (original quantity was 284 two weeks … Re-listing of 192 unsold cameras (original quantity was 284 two weeks ago). Good second body for 4/3 system user.


Maybe, but I still fail to see the appeal of the 4/3 system. Ok, it is smaller, but the resolution and low light image quality are worse, too. And the lens design is still hampered by the space taken up by the mirror. If they had at least done away with it and used the life preview instead... some day that will happen, but not today.

Good price for a first SLR. I have the e-410 and it's still going strong. I find the 'live' view pretty useless though as it has to flip the mirror to use it and then flip it back to take a pic, so you can't focus in live view mode and have to hope the auto focus works first time. Maybe there is another way but I don't know what it is (maybe in full manual mode it would be fine).

MrPuddington

Maybe, but I still fail to see the appeal of the 4/3 system. Ok, it is … Maybe, but I still fail to see the appeal of the 4/3 system. Ok, it is smaller, but the resolution and low light image quality are worse, too. And the lens design is still hampered by the space taken up by the mirror. If they had at least done away with it and used the life preview instead... some day that will happen, but not today.



Still doesn't detract from a stunning camera for the price. In the right hands 4/3 is still the better format.

Banned

Nice, might get one.

thx op. have been trying to find decent camera for ages but this has made me jump into slr. read about 30 reviews: even the slightly critical ones praised this camera. and that was when it was at launch price.
had a 10% discount voucher from ebay, so made this an extra great price for me.

dont know how you get away with such a blatant double post:

hotukdeals.com/dea…e=2

but still HOT HOT HOT

vornstar13

Good price for a first SLR. I have the e-410 and it's still going … Good price for a first SLR. I have the e-410 and it's still going strong. I find the 'live' view pretty useless though as it has to flip the mirror to use it and then flip it back to take a pic, so you can't focus in live view mode and have to hope the auto focus works first time. Maybe there is another way but I don't know what it is (maybe in full manual mode it would be fine).



No, unfortunately that's the only way it works - even with manual focus and exposure modes it will still do the extra mirror flips. Olympus did have a better design before the E-410/E-510 in the form of the E-330 which used a second sensor for liveview to allow the camera to work as normal with the rear screen but it was heavily criticised for the liveview mode being pointless and the idea was scrapped. Ironically Sony picked it up a while later and based many of the lower models around it and received praise for it...

John

MrPuddington

Maybe, but I still fail to see the appeal of the 4/3 system. Ok, it is … Maybe, but I still fail to see the appeal of the 4/3 system. Ok, it is smaller, but the resolution and low light image quality are worse, too. And the lens design is still hampered by the space taken up by the mirror. If they had at least done away with it and used the life preview instead... some day that will happen, but not today.



It's already happened in fact almost two years ago now when Panasonic and Olympus launched micro 4/3 which is a system camera using the same 4/3 sensor but without the mirror assembly. Samsung have since launched their NX system and Sony the NEX system which are also mirrorless systems using SLR-sized sensors.

Jhn

Heat added from me, does any one have or know of any other voucher codes for eBay

Pm me if so thank you in advance 

for the cash, will will not get any better, Trust me!

can anyone recommend best class/speed of card to use with this please?

The E-420 doesn't support UDMA so it's not worth going any faster than 133x speed unless using the card in other cameras with higher speed support.

John

Johnmcl7

The E-420 doesn't support UDMA so it's not worth going any faster than … The E-420 doesn't support UDMA so it's not worth going any faster than 133x speed unless using the card in other cameras with higher speed support.John



Thx.

Good little camera. The Zuiko kit lenses are easily the best kit lenses on any manufacturer's system.

The Canon 18-55 is really bad.

xD card not SD - that's a killer for me.

Besford

xD card not SD - that's a killer for me.



and no AA batteries either! (joking!)

Can any owners of this camera tell me how good the zoom is without having to buy more add on's 

timbotones24794

Do not buy this camera! Had it for about 2 years with the 25mm pancake … Do not buy this camera! Had it for about 2 years with the 25mm pancake and eventually bought the 40-150mm lens in addition (£80 at Currys/ PC World/ Dixons). After a while I had a few problems with shutter speeds and the screen.As well as this, Olympus' RAW format (.orf) is incompatible with almost everything, so the bundled software is all you're gonna be able to use. And the JPEG compression in this software is awful. As mentioned above, the xd card is pretty crap.I sold my komachi kit and 40-150mm lens for £290 recently in favour for the new Canon. Just take my advice. You'll regret buying this... and seeing as it's off ebay, you'll probably have difficulty returning it!Oh and the live view is REALLY POOR so composing your shots in low light is quite difficult.


Utter garbage. Hard to know where to start.
The xd card is a back up to the CF card so no problems there, If you are using live view to 'compose' your shot you should be buying a compact, that's why cameras have a viewfinder. And the RAW format is universal and Photoshop caters for all. As i have said many times, a Canon rep put me on to Olympus cameras and he wasn't wrong.

hope this deal holds out until next payday

@Besford, it takes BOTH cards at the same time xD and SD

@tightpants, battery life on the camera is very good in my experience, im not a heavy user but on a full charge it will last days of moderate to heavy usage

@timbotones, all you need to do is open the orf files and save them as jpegs and you can use any photo software you like. from memory photoshop opens the orf files anyway but it doesn't preview the files much like it doesn't in wondows either


rowlystravel

@Besford, it takes BOTH cards at the same time xD and [email protected], … @Besford, it takes BOTH cards at the same time xD and [email protected], battery life on the camera is very good in my experience, im not a heavy user but on a full charge it will last days of moderate to heavy [email protected], all you need to do is open the orf files and save them as jpegs and you can use any photo software you like. from memory photoshop opens the orf files anyway but it doesn't preview the files much like it doesn't in wondows either



Battery life is excellent, yes. There is a plug-in for later than v6 of photoshop for ORF as with any camera that supports raw.

Nice price, terrible company.

rowlystravel

@Besford, it takes BOTH cards at the same time xD and [email protected], … @Besford, it takes BOTH cards at the same time xD and [email protected], battery life on the camera is very good in my experience, im not a heavy user but on a full charge it will last days of moderate to heavy [email protected], all you need to do is open the orf files and save them as jpegs and you can use any photo software you like. from memory photoshop opens the orf files anyway but it doesn't preview the files much like it doesn't in wondows either



I was joking about the AA batteries! But thx for the info - glad to know as mine is on its way.

I really wanted to know why you say it takes both xd AND SD? Of course, it takes xd but SD surprised me. did you mean to say CF? Compact Flash?

tightpants

I was joking about the AA batteries! But thx for the info - glad to know … I was joking about the AA batteries! But thx for the info - glad to know as mine is on its way.I really wanted to know why you say it takes both xd AND SD? Of course, it takes xd but SD surprised me. did you mean to say CF? Compact Flash?



Not SD

Takes xD and Compact Flash - I never use the xD although DO have a card in for backup.

vornstar13

Not SDTakes xD and Compact Flash - I never use the xD although DO have a … Not SDTakes xD and Compact Flash - I never use the xD although DO have a card in for backup.



thx for clearing that up. just goes to show the mis-information that gets pasted up. you always have to take good-intentioned advice with a pinch of salt....

tightpants

thx for clearing that up. just goes to show the mis-information that gets … thx for clearing that up. just goes to show the mis-information that gets pasted up. you always have to take good-intentioned advice with a pinch of salt....


True. Had posted that bit about the cards too.

CBR-SPIKES46

Can any owners of this camera tell me how good the zoom is without having … Can any owners of this camera tell me how good the zoom is without having to buy more add on's 



For a kit lens it's generally very good as the optical quality is good and it's small and light. The zoom range is fairly normal for this type of lens although compared to compact cameras which are getting surprisingly large zooms, it's quite limiting - it's 28-84mm effective which is similar to a 4x zoom compact camera as it has some wide angle but less telephoto meaning you won't be able to zoom in as much.

The aperture is also nothing special which means it's not great for shooting in low light nor for getting shallow depth of field effects where you have the subject in sharp focus and the background a soft blur. So it does depend on your type of shooting but I'd think for general use you'd probably want to at least consider a telephoto lens (such as the 40-150mm) as paired with the 14-42mm that gives a total 28-300mm effective coverage which is similar to a 11x superzoom camera.

As correctly mentioned above, the E-420 supports compact flash and xd cards - compact flash is a better choice for the main card as it's faster, cheaper and available in higher capacities. cards top out at just 2GB and are expensive particularly since the format has largely been abandoned however it can be useful as a spare card in the camera in case there's anything wrong with the CF card or it's been forgotten. Unfortunately none of the Olympus 4/3 SLRs work with the micro SD to card adapter that some of their compacts come with.

John


Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 8th Aug 2010

thx wolf.
john - really useful info thx.-i want to learn about photography and was ummming and ahhhing about getting a really good compact before getting this.with the points above you made, in mind, would you say the image quality of this camera is still a class above compacts such as the canon s90 or panasonic lx3? i've read so many reviews and looked at so many examples on the net. but, of course, it also depends on who took the photos and if they can use that camera well. also, personal taste comes into it - eg panasonics tend to look a bit grainy to me. i have to say tho, i really like the examples i've seen from this olympus, right across the board. great colours and decent sharpness, eg. and all the reviews say it is a good camera to start off with.

Thank you for the info John, since pondering this deal I've been looking at various dslr cameras.
and now don't know if I should save for a higher spec Canon/Sony etc etc, but from what I can see there big money.

My main use would be for motorsport eg Moto Gp do you or anyone else have ideas my max price is £400

tightpants

thx wolf.john - really useful info thx.-i want to learn about photography … thx wolf.john - really useful info thx.-i want to learn about photography and was ummming and ahhhing about getting a really good compact before getting this.with the points above you made, in mind, would you say the image quality of this camera is still a class above compacts such as the canon s90 or panasonic lx3? i've read so many reviews and looked at so many examples on the net. but, of course, it also depends on who took the photos and if they can use that camera well. also, personal taste comes into it - eg panasonics tend to look a bit grainy to me. i have to say tho, i really like the examples i've seen from this olympus, right across the board. great colours and decent sharpness, eg. and all the reviews say it is a good camera to start off with.



Even with the slower kit lens I'd still say the E-420 is better as its sensor even though on the smaller side for DSLRs is massive compared to the LX3/S90. I do have an LX3 and while it is probably my favourite compact out of all those I've bought, when possible I much prefer to use my 4/3 or bigger cameras. The 4/3 lens range isn't bad at the moment as the 40-150mm mk II is similarly small and light plus reasonably cheap these days to give you some decent telephoto coverage. The 25mm F2.8 is also well worth considering as it fits well with the compact size of the E-420.

A couple of issues I'd be aware of are the lack of IS and the potential lack of 4/3 support. Because Olympus have opted to put the stabilisation within some of their cameras none of their lenses offer image stabilisation. If you're not shooting at telephoto focal lengths this probably isn't going to be too much of an issue but if you're fancying a lens like the 70-300mm it probably is. Although Olympus claim they're still supporting 4/3 and have no plans to discontinue it I'm not convinced and think 4/3 is possibly at the end of the line, Olympus have neither released or announced any new 4/3 products for some time now while being very obviously active with their micro 4/3 products. Despite that I still think it's worth considering as you can pick up a cheap high quality kit for not that much money, it's worth bearing in mind for the future. I'm not being negative for the sake of it as many are with 4/3 as I've invested over £10,000 into the system and would prefer it not to finish.

John

CBR-SPIKES46

Thank you for the info John, since pondering this deal I've been looking … Thank you for the info John, since pondering this deal I've been looking at various dslr cameras.and now don't know if I should save for a higher spec Canon/Sony etc etc, but from what I can see there big money.My main use would be for motorsport eg Moto Gp do you or anyone else have ideas my max price is £400



My inclination for shooting motorsport on a tight budget would be to skimp on the camera body and spend more on the lens, I have shot motorbike races and my workmate frequently borrows my 4/3 equipment to shoot MotoGP and the most crucial aspect has been a long lens. Normally you're a reasonable amount away from the track which means you need a good telephoto lens to get you close, while it's great to have better features in the camera such as faster burstrate, better AF etc. it's not that useful if you can't get that close to the bikes.

I don't think the E-420 is a great choice because it lacks stabilisation which when shooting with a long lens like the 70-300mm (which is 140-600mm effective) handheld I think it's very useful to have even though when shooting bikes you'll be panning you'll still benefit from the up/down stabilisation. 4/3 is worth considering for the camera with onboard IS though as you get good telephoto coverage but I'd be looking at something like a cheap E-510/E-520 or the newer E-600/E-620 which have the onboard IS with the 70-300mm Olympus lens. Although the E-510 is an older body now, it's still very capable - this is a shot taken with an E-510 at Knockhill:

http://johnmcl7.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Knockhill-Racing/PA099981/193734483_fLQUs-M.jpg

John

I have one of these, and for the price i would thoroughly recommend it, although I am no pro. At this price DSLR can hit the mainstream. If you are are photography pro, I am sure you can knock this all you like but it does not take away from the fact its a little over £200, an absolute bargain by my standings.

xD is now dead, by CF offers no real disadvanatges over SD in apart from the physical size. You can pick up an 8gb CF x133 for £18 delivered

amazon.co.uk/Tra…-12

and its works fine, and pretty fast with this camera. This gives over 500 images in raw, and over 1000 in highest quality JPEG setting.

I would like to know if anyone has an recommendations for links to good deals on lenses for this? I am looking to invest in a 4/3 telephoto to give a bit more zoom, but looking for a nice price

Also I don't understand the image stabilisation. Is it lens dependant? Does this camera support?

P.S - I have taken over 200 pics so far, including about 50% with flash, and the battery still shows full. I have also ordered a second 3rd party one off ebay for £5.
Edited by: "coalfield" 8th Aug 2010

Johnmcl7

Even with the slower kit lens I'd still say the E-420 is better as its … Even with the slower kit lens I'd still say the E-420 is better as its sensor even though on the smaller side for DSLRs is massive compared to the LX3/S90. I do have an LX3 and while it is probably my favourite compact out of all those I've bought, when possible I much prefer to use my 4/3 or bigger cameras. The 4/3 lens range isn't bad at the moment as the 40-150mm mk II is similarly small and light plus reasonably cheap these days to give you some decent telephoto coverage. The 25mm F2.8 is also well worth considering as it fits well with the compact size of the E-420.A couple of issues I'd be aware of are the lack of IS and the potential lack of 4/3 support. Because Olympus have opted to put the stabilisation within some of their cameras none of their lenses offer image stabilisation. If you're not shooting at telephoto focal lengths this probably isn't going to be too much of an issue but if you're fancying a lens like the 70-300mm it probably is. Although Olympus claim they're still supporting 4/3 and have no plans to discontinue it I'm not convinced and think 4/3 is possibly at the end of the line, Olympus have neither released or announced any new 4/3 products for some time now while being very obviously active with their micro 4/3 products. Despite that I still think it's worth considering as you can pick up a cheap high quality kit for not that much money, it's worth bearing in mind for the future. I'm not being negative for the sake of it as many are with 4/3 as I've invested over £10,000 into the system and would prefer it not to finish.John



thx very much john, especially for such a comprehensive answer. you've actually put my mind at ease a bit. i'm not really looking to go telephoto. the s90/lx3 were a bit more than i wanted to spend and the important thing for me was image quality for everyday shooting. i'll be able to add a lens and have paid about the same as either of those 2 compacts. i've even got the wife's approval!!! i showed her some image examples and she's rather excited about receiving it!oO
i very much like the bike photo.
Edited by: "tightpants" 8th Aug 2010

coalfield

I have one of these, and for the price i would thoroughly recommend it, … I have one of these, and for the price i would thoroughly recommend it, although I am no pro. At this price DSLR can hit the mainstream. If you are are photography pro, I am sure you can knock this all you like but it does not take away from the fact its a little over £200, an absolute bargain by my standings.xD is now dead, by CF offers no real disadvanatges over SD in apart from the physical size. You can pick up an 8gb CF x133 for £18 deliveredhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Transcend-Ultra-Speed-Compact-Flash/dp/B000W05O5O/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1281272024&sr=8-12and its works fine, and pretty fast with this camera. This gives over 500 images in raw, and over 1000 in highest quality JPEG setting.I would like to know if anyone has an recommendations for links to good deals on lenses for this? I am looking to invest in a 4/3 telephoto to give a bit more zoom, but looking for a nice price :)Also I don't understand the image stabilisation. Is it lens dependant? Does this camera support?P.S - I have taken over 200 pics so far, including about 50% with flash, and the battery still shows full. I have also ordered a second 3rd party one off ebay for £5.



thx. and selling quite steadily, as well.
Edited by: "tightpants" 8th Aug 2010

tightpants

thx very much john, especially for such a comprehensive answer. you've … thx very much john, especially for such a comprehensive answer. you've actually put my mind at ease a bit. i'm not really looking to go telephoto. the s90/lx3 were a bit more than i wanted to spend and the important thing for me was image quality for everyday shooting. i'll be able to add a lens and have paid about the same as either of those 2 compacts. i've even got the wife's approval!!! i showed her some image examples and she's rather excited about receiving it!oOi very much like the bike photo.



I hope you'll be pleased with it, I'd certainly much prefer this camera to an LX3/S90 for learning photography as I like the mechanical feel of it as you have a proper focal plane shutter and mirror rather than a fake camera noise, an optical viewfinder rather than electronic (which I still prefer even over the latest viewfinder tech in the GH1) and good physical controls. My first DSLR was the E-500 and I never regretted that, I remember being at a friend's weddings when DSLRs weren't as common as they are now and being amused at the amount of people that just wanted to take a picture to hear the proper shutter noise.

My only advice with the camera is to be patient - while SLRs can produce stunning image quality, they tend to also highlight mistakes as well so it can take some practice to get the feel of it. The following site is a good read on 4/3 SLRs as it goes through a lot of the settings and what they do:

wrotniak.net/pho…tml

John

coalfield

I have one of these, and for the price i would thoroughly recommend it, … I have one of these, and for the price i would thoroughly recommend it, although I am no pro. At this price DSLR can hit the mainstream. If you are are photography pro, I am sure you can knock this all you like but it does not take away from the fact its a little over £200, an absolute bargain by my standings.



That's very true and definitely a valid point

I would like to know if anyone has an recommendations for links to good … I would like to know if anyone has an recommendations for links to good deals on lenses for this? I am looking to invest in a 4/3 telephoto to give a bit more zoom, but looking for a nice price



The most obvious choice would be the 40-150mm mk II which gives you a 80-300mm effective focal length and the lens is a similarly small and light design to the 14-42mm kit lens. This site is showing an unboxed version for 80 pounds although I've not heard of them before:

srsmicrosystems.co.uk/426…tml

The other option in the range is the 70-300mm which is 140-600mm which gives tremendous reach but it's quite a bit pricier and at the longer end you're probably going to struggle handheld unless in very good light.

Also I don't understand the image stabilisation. Is it lens dependant? … Also I don't understand the image stabilisation. Is it lens dependant? Does this camera support?



There's two different ways to stabilise the image, one is to use a stabilisation system in the lens and one is to stabilise the sensor in the camera itself. Nikon, Canon, Panasonic and Sigma go for the first method, Pentax, Sony and Olympus use the latter. Because Olympus have stabilisation in some of their bodies, they don't produce any stabilised lenses unfortunately - the E-420 does not have the in body IS, the E-510/E-520/E-600/E-620/E-30/E-3 do have onboard IS, the rest don't. Panasonic did produce three stabilised lenses (14-50mm mk 1, 14-50mm mk II and the 14-150mm superzoom) which partially work on the E-420 (only in 'constant on' mode) but these lenses are not well suited to the E-420 as they're large, expensive and few are available.

John

Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 8th Aug 2010

Which certain Windows software would this be? I work with a variety of raw files and I've not found Olympus raw support to be any worse than other manufacturers in both free and commercial raw developers. Some software takes time to add support for the raw files although again I've not found this to be any different for other companies. In Vista/7, the format is natively supported within Windows Explorer using a free Olympus plugin.

At £200 you're not paying anything like 3x the cost of a compact, in fact it's cheaper than the likes of the LX3/S90 which are the closest to the E-420. I don't know on what basis you're claiming the camera is slow as its PDAF and general performance is far better than any compact camera particularly the raw write speeds and buffer size.

John
Edited by: "Johnmcl7" 8th Aug 2010

timbotones24794

@WolfBut when you're spending 3x what you would be on a compact, you need … @WolfBut when you're spending 3x what you would be on a compact, you need a system that can keep up. And quite honestly, this camera is slow.And the reason people don't like the xd card is that it's no sd or sdhc. You have to buy a card reader to use xD and CF.Thirdly, there are some of us who can't afford photoshop or whatever so I was dissapointed to find that files weren't compatible with certain windows software.


If you take the time to work with it and use it to it
Johnmcl7

Which certain Windows software would this be? I work with a variety of … Which certain Windows software would this be? I work with a variety of raw files and I've not found Olympus raw support to be any worse than other manufacturers in both free and commercial raw developers. Some software takes time to add support for the raw files although again I've not found this to be any different for other companies. In Vista/7, the format is natively supported within Windows Explorer using a free Olympus plugin.At £200 you're not paying anything like 3x the cost of a compact, in fact it's cheaper than the likes of the LX3/S90 which are the closest to the E-420. I don't know on what basis you're claiming the camera is slow as its PDAF and general performance is far better than any compact camera particularly the raw write speeds and buffer size.John



Another total and informed reply.
Thanks for all the input.
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