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Oyama 2010 Folding Bikes - 50% off - From £174.99 Delivered @ Winstanleys Bikes
Oyama 2010 Folding Bikes - 50% off - From £174.99 Delivered @ Winstanleys Bikes

Oyama 2010 Folding Bikes - 50% off - From £174.99 Delivered @ Winstanleys Bikes

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Winstanley Bikes are currently knocking 50% off Oyama 2010 folding bikes!
These include:
Oyama Metropolitan - RRP £349.99 now £174.99.
Oyama Manhattan - RRP £429.99 now £214.99.
Oyama Lexington - RRP £449.99 now £224.99 - just ordered one!
Oyama East Village - RRP £449.99 now £224.99.
Oyama St. James - RRP £549.99 now £274.99.
Oyama Midtown - RRP £549.99 now £274.99.
Oyama Rockaway - RRP £579.99 now £289.99.
Oyama Bloomsbury - RRP £799.99 now £399.99.
Oyama Crosstown - RRP £899.99 now £449.99.

I've ordered the Lexington as it features an Aluminium Alloy frame with 8 speed gears and weighs just under 12kg! Looks ideal for the car boot on days out and the commute. Very few reviews but I found an Australian owner who'd done a 62km ride on his!
Over £80 less than Wiggle and a lot less than everywhere else. They've also got deals on older spec. Dahon full size folding bikes with upto 46% off a Dahon Cadenza.
The Lexington was Out of Stock yesterday but is In Stock today so if the one you want is OOS check back again or email them as they seem to be receiving new stock.

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I don't know anything about bikes but this seems a pretty good price for a light-weight folding bike. Can anyone else add any comments or opinions?

Fabulous for train commuters!

I haven't heard of Oyama before so I can't really comment. Has anyone seen any reviews of these bikes? I have heard some horror stories of cheap folders but these might be OK. I always stick to tried and tested manufacturers like Dahon and Brompton that way you know what you are getting.

Never heard of them - so its a bit of you pay your money and take your chance.

Original Poster

Agreed. The couple of reviews I could find looked very good and the spec on the Oyama website also looks very good. Can't get a 7 speed Brompton for this kind of money, sadly, much of the design and spec seems inspired by the Dahon. Looking forward to trying it out when it is delivered.

IMO worth paying more for Brompton especially when resale values taken into consideration. But then, I'm biased.

Original Poster

Do like the Bromptons but this will be my first folding bike so having a dabble at this price for a decent spec. My main bike is a Ribble Alu/Carbon with Campag Veloce but I want a folding to potter round town on and stick in the car for day trips. Also curious to see how comfortable I will find it as I am on the tall side. Would love a Brompton someday but couldn't commit that much money at the moment for what I want to use it for.

I have a Brompton that lives under the stairs, they're great bikes, but for the amount of times I use it (like twice a month) I could of easily got away with a Dahon style thing like these.

sprooter

IMO worth paying more for Brompton especially when resale values taken … IMO worth paying more for Brompton especially when resale values taken into consideration. But then, I'm biased.



\The 400 quid more brompton, i.e 3 times the price?

shareef

\The 400 quid more brompton, i.e 3 times the price?


True but a second hand Oyama will be worth squat however a second hand Brompton will still be worth several hundred pounds.

Edited by: "JunkMail" 17th Mar 2011

JunkMail

True but a second hand Oyama will be worth squat however a second hand … True but a second hand Oyama will be worth squat however a second hand Brompton will still be worth several hundred pounds.



That is true, however when your talking of a difference of 400 quid between the products, I just don't see that as a reason to go brompton.

Don't forget your safety helmet

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S5iPENaqF1I/TV231GYGmPI/AAAAAAAAAWI/AdXOEODXP54/s1600/Dec+2010feb2011+011.jpg

Look pretty decent to me.

shareef

That is true, however when your talking of a difference of 400 quid … That is true, however when your talking of a difference of 400 quid between the products, I just don't see that as a reason to go brompton.


The extra money gets you a bike that folds smaller than most, has decent components, rides very well and, you'll easily get the extra £400 back if you sell it in a few years time.

Crosstown looks sporty.

JunkMail

The extra money gets you a bike that folds smaller than most, has decent … The extra money gets you a bike that folds smaller than most, has decent components, rides very well and, you'll easily get the extra £400 back if you sell it in a few years time.



I agree the brompton is a superb buy, I am getting one myself. But somebody looking to only spend 200 quid, isnt going to have a brompton in the list as a comparible, that was simply my point.

shareef

I agree the brompton is a superb buy, I am getting one myself. But … I agree the brompton is a superb buy, I am getting one myself. But somebody looking to only spend 200 quid, isnt going to have a brompton in the list as a comparible, that was simply my point.



agreed. I have a Dahon I got on HOTUK for about 250, but 600 for a Brompton was too much and to be honest, I can't see a huge difference between those and mine when I got in the shop, albeit the Brompton is smaller. Potential resale is a nonsense argument given the initial purchase difference here. At 175 its almost consumable!

Made in Taiwan not china, so should be a decent build quality (all mainsteam bikes, marin, trek etc are made in Taiwan)

paul.jacobs

Don't forget your safety helmet



Helmet? They look more like mis-matched boobs

Chainreactioncycles have had them at similar prices recently. After trying something similar in Evans cycles I went with a secondhand Brompton instead. Mostly because I liked the ride better.

It would be great if it folded up as someone was riding it....

I haven't heard of Oyama before, I'd go with a well know brand like Sony.

Just bear in mind the fact that Winstanleys are a hit & miss retailer. If it says in stock you should get the product quickly but if it says none in stock then it's a lottery as to if you will ever get it.

Jerec

I haven't heard of Oyama before, I'd go with a well know brand like Sony.


Chortle. Is that one still running?

Original Poster

onejaz

Just bear in mind the fact that Winstanleys are a hit & miss retailer. If … Just bear in mind the fact that Winstanleys are a hit & miss retailer. If it says in stock you should get the product quickly but if it says none in stock then it's a lottery as to if you will ever get it.



I haven't purchased from Winstanley before so will check out their service. Just had email confirmation that the bike has been dispatched by Parcel Force, so fingers crossed.
What attracted me to this bike was the spec., having looked at a number of folding bikes, the Alu/Alloy frame rather than steel and decent wheels and components throughout makes it look like a bike that deserves an RRP of £449, so happy to go for a punt at £224.99 - I was going to buy it at £309.99 from Wiggle and Google shopping isn't picking up Winstanleys reduced price.

There are a lot of dodgy Chinese steel models for less which I'm not interested in but the company behind this are Taiwan based and have been manufacturing bikes since 1966. Oyama appears to be a new brand and range developed in partnership with a Dutch bicycle brand.

r_holmes22

Chortle. Is that one still running?


If it broke down it would become a Walkman.

I thought Winstanleys stopped selling bikes when they turned their Pemberton store into 'Winstanley Pram World' but obviously they just split the business into 2 separate buildings

Never bought a bike from there as Ive always thought the prices were a bit steep

designaw

having looked at a number of folding bikes, the Alu/Alloy frame rather … having looked at a number of folding bikes, the Alu/Alloy frame rather than steel and decent wheels and components throughout makes it look like a bike that deserves an RRP of £449, so happy to go for a punt at £224.99 - I was going to buy it at £309.99 from Wiggle and Google shopping isn't picking up Winstanleys reduced price.There are a lot of dodgy Chinese steel models for less which I'm not interested in but the company behind this are Taiwan based and have been manufacturing bikes since 1966. Oyama appears to be a new brand and range developed in partnership with a Dutch bicycle brand.

You seem a bit hung up on steel. There's nothing wrong with it, and you'll find an awful lot of cheap bikes made from aluminium. Brompton says:

"Many manufacturers use aluminium in their frames but we currently do not. While it is lighter than steel, aluminium is also much less stiff and the frame of an aluminium Brompton would have to be considerably thicker than our current steel frame - the weight saving at present would be marginal and the folded package bigger than our current configuration."

I'm not bothered either way; I just don't think you should get hung up on frame material.

Original Poster

@pibpob
No, not particularly. I've had a few steel framed bikes over the years and will always rave about my old Reynolds 531C and 653 bikes.
However, for a lightweight folder I'm looking for Alu, the equivalent Oyama steel models are nearly 2kgs heavier, and I'm not going to be using it for long runs, just want the convenience of something light that I can carry easily.
To get the benefits of Alu you have to design the frame differently to get the strength and achieve lightness. I'd imagine an Alu Brompton would have to look quite different to achieve this and certainly when you look at comparable steel and Alu folders from the same manufacturer the designs are radically different.
Love the feel and character of steel on a racer. I believe only Titanium comes close these days?

Guys,
Sorry to chip in but there are some rubbish comments here from "non" bikers.
With all due respect I commute 50 miles a week on a folding bike in London. It is a pleasant experience, not the same as road biking, but with the right knowledge it is fun and fast.
I have a £250 Dahon bike which I have fixed and serviced myself for 3 years. It has been relatively trouble free and with a little mechanical knowledge, brilliant for pounding down the miles. They are, in my opinion, much better than Bromptoms (I have had 2!) because of the following:

20" wheels are much faster, more comfortable and stable. 16" wheels are slow and hard on bumps and lets face it, our roads are bumpy!

The folding mechanism on them is fast and clean.

Dahon's can carry about 20KG on a rear pannier! The folding mech allows for this and I carry clothers, shoes, food, files and a laptop on mine. A ruck sack makes you sweat and is not as efficient.

All folding bikes hold their value better than normal bikes. I guess this is due to commuters wanting folding bikes and them being more rare than full size bikes?

A Dahon is far better than using "for short journeys twice a week" as someone commented on here. It is a tough, durable, commuting bike.

These Oyamas look like high spec Dahons and as I result I have bought one to sell my Dahon Spped D7. I bought it for £250 three years ago, it is probably worth about £150 still now.

Ian

You can still buy new steel frames to race on, granted you wont catch the pros on one, but you wont get them on titanium either.

ianwynneuk

Dahon's can carry about 20KG on a rear pannier! The folding mech allows … Dahon's can carry about 20KG on a rear pannier! The folding mech allows for this and I carry clothers, shoes, food, files and a laptop on mine. A ruck sack makes you sweat and is not as efficient



The Brompton bag that clips on the front is better than a pannier IMO, it's makes the bike more stable, and is really easy to take on and off. I do use panniers on my tourer, and a rucksack if nipping the shops on my beater, but horses for courses and all that.

Im puzzled as to how you think wheel size affects your speed, because it really doesn't. Tyre choice will have an impact on speed though, the Schwable Kojak is a fair bit faster than the bog standard Brompton 16" tyre.

fluffy-k

The Brompton bag that clips on the front is better than a pannier IMO, … The Brompton bag that clips on the front is better than a pannier IMO, it's makes the bike more stable, and is really easy to take on and off. I do use panniers on my tourer, and a rucksack if nipping the shops on my beater, but horses for courses and all that.Im puzzled as to how you think wheel size affects your speed, because it really doesn't. Tyre choice will have an impact on speed though, the Schwable Kojak is a fair bit faster than the bog standard Brompton 16" tyre.

I agree. I am puzzled why ianwynneuk thinks the Brompton can't carry 20kg, and puzzled why he thinks smaller wheels are slower. Brompton in fact argues that they are faster because there is less wind resistance, but I reckon the difference is minuscule.

The main disadvantage of larger wheels is, of course, that the folded size is larger. I believe the Brompton beats all the competition because of wheel size and its heavily-patented folding mechanism (anyone wanting to look up the figures to compare?). The importance of this will depend on how you use it, but I would suggest that it is very important if you take it on crowded public transport.

But then, although I am a regular cyclist, I do not own a folding bike.

pibpob

[q The importance of this will depend on how you use it, but I would … [q The importance of this will depend on how you use it, but I would suggest that it is very important if you take it on crowded public transport.



Yep, the folded Brompton will fit into that gap between seats on a train, no 20" folder will do that. But for slinging in the back of a car then either size is fine.

If you don't plan to cycle for miles every day or go touring, the Oyama will probably be fine. It should suit the casual cyclist well.

@ianwynneuk - I am surprised at your comments about Dahons and Bromptons. My wife has a Dahon and I have a Brompton but I ride both and I much prefer the Brompton. The Dahon is very fiddly to assemble and to fold but the Brompton is a pleasure. I will quite happily cycle for 20 or 30 miles on my Brompton and I don't find the 16" wheels an issue but, you do have to be a bit more careful with potholes and bumps. The Brompton is so manoeuvrable though it is easy to dodge round them. I have to confess that I am a bit of a Brompton fan but that's because they are so good. Mine has a Speed Drive fitted to boost the gear range.
However, my main bike is a recumbent.

Original Poster

Interesting comments about 16" wheels, I've never tried them but I presumed they would be quite unforgiving on our rough roads, though it appears this may not be the case. The Oyama has a good set of wheels and I think this maybe why the Brompton's 16" don't suffer - because they are a quality wheelset

designaw

Interesting comments about 16" wheels, I've never tried them but I … Interesting comments about 16" wheels, I've never tried them but I presumed they would be quite unforgiving on our rough roads, though it appears this may not be the case. The Oyama has a good set of wheels and I think this maybe why the Brompton's 16" don't suffer - because they are a quality wheelset


You are right that you have to be careful with the Brompton's 16" wheels on rough surfaces but it's amazing how quickly you adapt to this. A few years ago I cycled up the Great Glen from Fort William to Inverness with a group of cyclists. We largely followed the canal and forestry commission tracks but a fair section was on uncharted paths. I was on a normal bike but several of the group were on Bromptons. I was so impressed with the way that these little bikes handled everything that was thrown at them that I bought one myself.

The main reason why the Moulton and the Brompton are usable on bumpy roads is the rear suspension. I mention Moulton because he was the pioneer on this, also using the same techniques on the Mini's suspension.
Edited by: "pibpob" 18th Mar 2011

pibpob

The main reason why the Moulton and the Brompton are usable on bumpy … The main reason why the Moulton and the Brompton are usable on bumpy roads is the rear suspension. I mention Moulton because he was the pioneer on this, also using the same techniques on the Mini's suspension.


Yes, the suspension helps a lot. One of the bikes on the cycle I mentioned was a Moulton and it coped admirably. If you think Bromptons are expensive though you should take a look at Moultons. Here's a quote from their website, 'Moulton bicycles range in price from £900 to £15,000 depending on the model and specification.' Now those are seriously scary prices!
moultonbicycles.co.uk/mod…tml

Hi guys,
Me again
20" wheels are faster I assure you. Look at speed skating, they have very large wheels. I have had roller blades with small (stunt) wheels and spped ones with big wheels. The speed difference is amazing!
I have tried the 16" Brompton too, and the 20" and the 20" is a lot faster.

Each to their own but I would strongly recommend a Dahon or 20" wheel, much more comfortabel, durable, faster and rugged for long distances. You can commute 5-10 miles on one of these a day with relatively little servicing required.
Also the smaller the wheel of course, the less it is able to handle big weights. It is not as strong as a bigger frame/wheels just like a 4x4 is made to tow more weight than a mini!

Ian
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