PHILIPS 42PFL5405H/05 42'' 1080p 100hz LCD with Freeview  £349.99 at Electric Experience online
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PHILIPS 42PFL5405H/05 42'' 1080p 100hz LCD with Freeview £349.99 at Electric Experience online

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Found 13th Jul 2011
Great deal i think,sorry if its been posted before,couldnt find it.
I would appreciate feedback on the tv as im trying to find a tv to buy and this looks like one of the best ive seen branded price wise.
Ive found two reviews online sayng sound is poor.but the overall review from a which type stance was very high,but i cant find the link at the moment.
this is a big purchase and i want to get it right,im very tempted,i did want to go for the hanspree 42 at ebuyer but keep hearing about the bigger brands and while this is not in top 3 i think there pretty high arent they?

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Nice tv , Fantastic for EVERYTHING...apart from gaming i hear

Original Poster

ahh i have a ps3 it has 100 hz is that not normally the thing that you need for really good gaming?

realblender

Really good gaming most of all needs low "input lag". Look out for stats … Really good gaming most of all needs low "input lag". Look out for stats or comments on that when looking for a tv.



Eh? the response time is 2 ms on this TV.. if I'm not mistaken, that is good for gaming.

Original Poster

i didnt know that,yeh i thought i saw 2ms speed thats lowest ive ever seen on a standard hd tv admittedly i dont look at high end models though.
so does anyone know if this has a gaming mode or not?
be such a shame as the picture on these sound amazing,
bet hd programmes and films look amazing on this.
so if this is confirmed very poor for gaming wd you guys say my best bet was the hanspree on ebuyer?its got 32 5 out of 5s on there.
and ive had a hanspree for 4 years though this year i have had a few shadow lines running down the right hand of the screen also its nigh on impossible to sync it up to either your sky or your universal remotes.but other than that ive been very happy with it.and wd be covered on my 5 year guarentee if it wasnt for the fact that teleland when out of buisness!!!

A look on their website shows that Philips only now sell LED backlit TVs, wonder if we will be seeing a glut of last years Philips CCFL models on offer.

Unless 100hz is a must OP have you considered the Samsung D550 or the Toshiba BV700?

Original Poster

do you have a link for samsung?depends on price if samsung is 42' full hd and similer price i wd love a samsung,from what ive seen there one of the best out there at moment but ones ive seen have always been out of my reach pricewise or are at a place like richersounds where i cant buy it online.:(

jcrulesfootball

do you have a link for samsung?depends on price if samsung is 42' full hd … do you have a link for samsung?depends on price if samsung is 42' full hd and similer price i wd love a samsung,from what ive seen there one of the best out there at moment but ones ive seen have always been out of my reach pricewise or are at a place like richersounds where i cant buy it online.:(



Richer Sounds have the Samsung D550 for £379.99, it is however 40", they also have the Samsung D580 (same model just with Freeview HD for £399.99) John Lewis should match that one with 5 year warranty, as JL stock the D580.

realblender

pixel response time is not the same as input lag.I have not read anything … pixel response time is not the same as input lag.I have not read anything on this tv yet just general comments on what to look for in terms of gaming based on the 1st comment.



So what is the pixel response time on this tv?

I cannot find any reviews for this TV. There's only one 'Customer Review' at Amazon... amazon.co.uk/pro…tar

Useful info here avforums.com/for…tml

Good specification for the price.
Edited by: "dooper" 13th Jul 2011

The TV looks OK, the retailer looks a bit dodgy, they cannot spell basic words.

I got an LG LCD 42" 1080p a month or so ago from Best Buy for £350. I think it was the LD490 or something, off the top of my head. Really happy with it. Comparing it with this deal, the LG has Freeview HD, Netcast (iplayer, youtube etc.) and usb movie playback.

Despite being 50Hz it's been great for gaming, although it's murder for setting up on Rock Band, maybe that's the only time the "lag" has been noticeable.

Although this Philips deal doesn't look bad, I don't think it's that good either. I'll withhold my vote I think!

It has a game setting in display options

realblender

2ms ..............based on what you said?



So if the pixel response time is 2ms, what is the input lag?

Original Poster

Rubbadub

I got an LG LCD 42" 1080p a month or so ago from Best Buy for £350. I … I got an LG LCD 42" 1080p a month or so ago from Best Buy for £350. I think it was the LD490 or something, off the top of my head. Really happy with it. Comparing it with this deal, the LG has Freeview HD, Netcast (iplayer, youtube etc.) and usb movie playback.Despite being 50Hz it's been great for gaming, although it's murder for setting up on Rock Band, maybe that's the only time the "lag" has been noticeable.Although this Philips deal doesn't look bad, I don't think it's that good either. I'll withhold my vote I think!



thnankyou the lg tv is showing £379.99 now with other one under £399 being the isis,and i think id rather get hanspree than isis.
so is this better deal based on price now?
will the gaming setting on philips make this a good tv to get?
Edited by: "jcrulesfootball" 13th Jul 2011

Original Poster

wd you guys say now this is best deal along with the hanspree,is this better than the hanspree and is it ok for gaming if so i think its definatly a possibility.wd you really notice it on gaming.
its so difficult trying to by the right tv these days!!
Edited by: "jcrulesfootball" 13th Jul 2011

The link to the thread on AVForums says it has very little lag, have a read - avforums.com/for…tml

I get the general impression that most LED tvs require an external sound system?

MadeInBeats

I get the general impression that most LED tvs require an external sound … I get the general impression that most LED tvs require an external sound system?



LED TVs are very thin with a small bezel so not much room to put the speakers! Small speakers = poor sound. If you are a real TV lover then you'd probably be advised to get a surround sound system or whatever, but all TVs will actually play the sound without any external equipment!!

Speaking of bezels - wtf is going on with the TV in this deal? Am I the only one who thinks it is quite ugly? Good deal for the spec though.

MadeInBeats

I get the general impression that most LED tvs require an external sound … I get the general impression that most LED tvs require an external sound system?



No TV requires an external sound system (unless the TV has no internal speakers...anyone know of such a thing?!), however due to how thin and narrow the bezels are on LED Edge Lit LCD Screens the size of the speaker cones are about as big as a ten pence piece, so you get tinny sound with little bass out of them.

This particular TV however is a CCFL Backlit, and the sound should have a bit more punch than the edge lit LCDs, however in recent years even CCFL tvs have been slimmed down and are having a lot smaller and downward firing speakers incorporated into their slimming bezels.

Looking on their website Philips have now stopped selling CCFLs altogether.

SFJnet

Speaking of bezels - wtf is going on with the TV in this deal? Am I the … Speaking of bezels - wtf is going on with the TV in this deal? Am I the only one who thinks it is quite ugly? Good deal for the spec though.



I don't think it is ugly personally, I have seen quite a number of Philips TVs with similar bezel designs as late, and the rounded corners are a change from the usual. Still think design wise the Series 5 Samsungs for budget tvs are the most attractive at present, and the aluminium back panels unrivaled on any other budget tvs.

Edited by: "cicobuff" 13th Jul 2011

hmmmm.very tempted by this deal..

realblender

Why would you go on another forum when we have the best expert advice … Why would you go on another forum when we have the best expert advice here?



Exactly! **he awaits the inevitable "Why would you buy this when you could buy a Sony?" comment from some random clown, I mean Expert, on here**

Sounds like a good price for a pretty good tv!
Edited by: "jaybear88" 13th Jul 2011

fascinating

Rubbadub

I got an LG LCD 42" 1080p a month or so ago from Best Buy for £350. I … I got an LG LCD 42" 1080p a month or so ago from Best Buy for £350. I think it was the LD490 or something, off the top of my head. Really happy with it. Comparing it with this deal, the LG has Freeview HD, Netcast (iplayer, youtube etc.) and usb movie playback.Despite being 50Hz it's been great for gaming, although it's murder for setting up on Rock Band, maybe that's the only time the "lag" has been noticeable.Although this Philips deal doesn't look bad, I don't think it's that good either. I'll withhold my vote I think!



I've read reviews on hdtv for the LG series 450 and upwards and they said it had some of the best input lag they had seen - off the top of my head they said 14 ms. That might sound bad but considering a lot of LCDs have an input lag in the region of 30+ ms. I'll post back here with the info if anyone wants clarification (assuming I can find it )

TVs tested for input lag here dday.it/red…tml

Original Poster

cicobuff

No TV requires an external sound system (unless the TV has no internal … No TV requires an external sound system (unless the TV has no internal speakers...anyone know of such a thing?!), however due to how thin and narrow the bezels are on LED Edge Lit LCD Screens the size of the speaker cones are about as big as a ten pence piece, so you get tinny sound with little bass out of them.This particular TV however is a CCFL Backlit, and the sound should have a bit more punch than the edge lit LCDs, however in recent years even CCFL tvs have been slimmed down and are having a lot smaller and downward firing speakers incorporated into their slimming bezels.Looking on their website Philips have now stopped selling CCFLs altogether.



is this not a normal lcd then?i didnt think it was an ultra thin tv i saw a profile on another website of this tv and its not as thin as the leds ive seen.
that link didnt have any philips on it re lag time.
wd you say this was a better buy than the 42 hanspree on ebuyer to refine my earlier question which was a bit vague.
i really dont want to have to look to replace my next tv for 5 years if possible and is alot of money even though the prices are now so much better than they were.

Hi All,
I bought this from the mentioned company last Friday.
The company is very good at what they do and they delivered my order in less than 24 hours.

The picture is fantastic and is the best I have ever seen so far..but the sound is the worst sound I have ever heard on a TV, and I mean any TV ! It does really sound like a old tinny radio.....rubbish
I have to use my surround sound system to listen to it.

Ugly ?.... I must say It does look better in real life than the pics...

jcrulesfootball

is this not a normal lcd then?i didnt think it was an ultra thin tv i saw … is this not a normal lcd then?i didnt think it was an ultra thin tv i saw a profile on another website of this tv and its not as thin as the leds ive seen.that link didnt have any philips on it re lag time.wd you say this was a better buy than the 42 hanspree on ebuyer to refine my earlier question which was a bit vague.i really dont want to have to look to replace my next tv for 5 years if possible and is alot of money even though the prices are now so much better than they were.



No, this is a traditional CCFL LCD it is a previous (now deleted) Philips model, as they have now stopped selling CCFL backlit televisions in favour of LED lighting.

I do however believe Philips are LED Backlighting rather than edge lighting which is in vogue for the thinnest of LED Backlit tvs, much to the disadvantage that edge lit LED is widely known as being inferior than CCFL due to edge blooming unevenness in light saturation.

LED Backlighting theoretically should be better and provide better contrast than CCFL. However LED Backlit tvs are generally more expensive than edge lit LED tvs.

Personally, unless you don't want to spend the extra cash on backlit LED, CCFL tvs offer better bang for buck than edge lit LED tvs, and that is why I have opted for a Samsung CCFL LCD over their edge Lit LEDs.

If you don't want to change your tv for a number of years, depending on your budget, if the top end at the moment is say £400, you would do far worse than getting John Lewis to price match Richer Sounds on the Samsung LE40D580 with 5 year Warranty, that is as already said you are not bothered with 100hz.

Personally I would avoid getting any TV that does not have known processing technology, Philips have their Pixel Plus, Samsung DNIe, Sony Bravia Engine, LG Engine etc etc. The combination of screen quality and processor quality is the most important aspect of any tv. What lies behind Hannsprees video image processing? Any budget tv may be alright for a spare room or bedroom viewing, but as a main set especially at similar price to known tried and tested major brands patented video processings, it is worth opting for one of those instead.






Edited by: "cicobuff" 14th Jul 2011

Hi folks thanks to all those people with info about the telly I found another review I hope it is of use to those wondering if it's worth buying or not.

I'm no expert but it looks pretty good

The language used isn't perfect as it might be from someone who's second or third language might be English

articlesfactory.com/art…tml

At this price im very tempted, but with the kids of school dont think the mrs will be happy if i spend this much & then be stuck in doors with the kids all summer

mrfun1981

At this price im very tempted, but with the kids of school dont think the … At this price im very tempted, but with the kids of school dont think the mrs will be happy if i spend this much & then be stuck in doors with the kids all summer



Take the kids "on holiday" camping locally!

Buy a Plasma TV, they cost more to run, but they cannot be beaten for picture quality.

Original Poster

Cicobuff thankyou so much for your answer I think I will head your advice to get a 5 year guarantee aswell really shd give me more confidence and a samsung wd be lovely.I don't have a sound system set up so the sound cd be a big issue for me.
Do you know can I order with john lewis online?or by phone?and do I simply ask or email them for the price match?

Original Poster

Just searched for samsung for the tv that's at richer sounds and it's a 46inch!!!is that right?
That's even better thought it was a 40'that was on offer.

Inactive

Buy a Plasma TV, they cost more to run, but they cannot be beaten for … Buy a Plasma TV, they cost more to run, but they cannot be beaten for picture quality.



If £350 could buy this amazon.co.uk/Pan…1-1 or better, then you'd have a point.

There are no cheap plasmas with good reviews. The only cheap TVs on the 'Best HDTVs' List at hdtvtest.co.uk/ are LCDs.

Has it got HD Freeview?

Original Poster

sorry just realised the 46 inch samsung that i saw on richer sounds is an hd ready one.
the 580 is £339 or do you mean with the guarentee on top?
what is the real difference between hd and hd ready i had a sky hd workman round earlier who knew what he was talking bout and said that there isnt any real difference except that full hd tvs are geared more for hd and usually have more connectors for hdmi ect.
my current tv is a hd ready and while it is 720 with most games when playing a 1080 game or bluray then it will flip into 1080.


Edited by: "jcrulesfootball" 14th Jul 2011

Original Poster

also will the fact the samsung is only 50hz a problem?
it seems to be one after another to find and understand what you need to have.:(

dooper

If £350 could buy this … If £350 could buy this [url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FPanasonic-TX-P42G30B-42-inch-Widescreen-Freeview%2Fdp%2FB004QWYPOA%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fs%3Delectronics%26ie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1310650288%26sr%3D1-1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-TX-P42G30B-42-inch-Widescreen-Freeview/dp/B004QWYPOA/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1310650288&sr=1-1[/url] or better, then you'd have a point.There are no cheap plasmas with good reviews. The only cheap TVs on the 'Best HDTVs' List at http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/ are LCDs.



I ignore the mainly biased reviews and use my own eyes and ears, never failed.
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