Philips Fidelio X2 Hi-Res Headphones - £149 @ Amazon
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Philips Fidelio X2 Hi-Res Headphones - £149 @ Amazon

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Found 10th Mar
Doesnt seem a bad price for these, cant find them in many other retailers from a quick glance so it may be a good option for someone looking to buy these. Ive owned these headphones before and there well worth the money if you like open back design.
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I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect there's far better options available at this price, and using the Hi-Res logo is just an attempt to cash-in; Hi-Res stems from the source, not the output.
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deleted80130110th Mar

I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect …I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect there's far better options available at this price, and sticking the Hi-Res logo on is just trying to cash-in- Hi-Res stems from the source, not the output.


most products have marketing terms put on them that in theory mean very little, like graphics card that come VR ready. You cant really say a product is poor on that basis and if you read reviews on these headphones, they are highly rated by numerous well respected outlets. Have you listened to these headphones? how can you suspect something if you havent owned these or listened through them?
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Leeman202 m ago

most products have marketing terms put on them that in theory mean very …most products have marketing terms put on them that in theory mean very little, like graphics card that come VR ready. You cant really say a product is poor on that basis and if you read reviews on these headphones, they are highly rated by numerous well respected outlets. Have you listened to these headphones? how can you suspect something if you havent owned these or listened through them?


No, I haven't, but like I say I'm not a fan of Philips and that is based on experience. If I had the same money to spend on a Philips product or one from someone else, it would go to someone else.
these are good phones at a reasonable price...heat added
deleted80130110th Mar

No, I haven't, but like I say I'm not a fan of Philips and that is based …No, I haven't, but like I say I'm not a fan of Philips and that is based on experience. If I had the same money to spend on a Philips product or one from someone else, it would go to someone else.


I think the reviews for this product speaks for itself, phillips or not this is a decent product for someone who is interested in purchasing some new headphones within this price range. Anyway i respect your opinion.
deleted80130110th Mar

I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect …I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect there's far better options available at this price, and using the Hi-Res logo is just an attempt to cash-in; Hi-Res stems from the source, not the output.


I've got one of these. I bought them for 119 pounds. And you cannot find anything that come close to sound quality of these headphones in this price range. Yes Phillips isnt brand that make audiophile gear, but these have been awarded and made appearance in Audiophile magazines so many times, which is proof that you can buy them without hesitation.
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Leeman208 m ago

I think the reviews for this product speaks for itself, phillips or not …I think the reviews for this product speaks for itself, phillips or not this is a decent product for someone who is interested in purchasing some new headphones within this price range. Anyway i respect your opinion.


Thank you

I was just in the process of editing my post when you replied. I was going to add weight to my "suspicions"; The Philips marketing line there, "plays your music in it's purest form"; now if that's what you're after- pure music reproduction without colouration- then that's what studio monitor headphones are designed for, and you can get decent one's for well under this price, and excellent ones for well under the RRP of these. But often people looking at these won't be considering monitors, and they don't often get reviewed alongside the "recreational listening" (I couldn't think of a proper term) headphones, so they go under the radar.

But like I say, my past experience with Philips does put me off anything of theirs anyway, no matter how good it might be.
Edited by: "deleted801301" 10th Mar
I have Philips Fidelio M1 for 3 years. Can't be more proud of them. Excellence in every aspect of the sound they produce. These, I can imagine how they are. I believe won't disappoint.
People would rather buy a hyped brand than one that supplies better sound at the same price point.
This sits at the top for an up to a £300 buy.

Philips headphones consistently do this and there are some real gems in their budget range.
Edited by: "LadyEleanor" 10th Mar
These are fantastic headphones. Highly recommend them. Many reviewers say they are superior to much more expensive headphones.
These are excellent headphones, at least they were when woox made them there are lots of reports that they don't sound as good anymore but can't say if they've addressed those issues.
deleted80130110th Mar

Thank you I was just in the process of editing my post when you …Thank you I was just in the process of editing my post when you replied. I was going to add weight to my "suspicions"; The Philips marketing line there, "plays your music in it's purest form"; now if that's what you're after- pure music reproduction without colouration- then that's what studio monitor headphones are designed for, and you can get decent one's for well under this price, and excellent ones for well under the RRP of these. But often people looking at these won't be considering monitors, and they don't often get reviewed alongside the "recreational listening" (I couldn't think of a proper term) headphones, so they go under the radar.But like I say, my past experience with Philips does put me off anything of theirs anyway, no matter how good it might be.






Like i have said, to access this product or any headphone for that matter you need to read reviews by respected websites/blogs/forums or if your lucky enough get hands on experience listening to the actual headphones. Marketing is used on every mainstream product, generic lines are almost a certainty when describing a product that is meant for a wide audience. A fair section of people who will buy headphones place aesthetics highly(beats as an example) over the actual type of sound they produce.

you keep on saying that there are options available at a much lower price, but without listening to these then how can you compare the ones that you have in mind to these. You don't know the sound quality or the sound style of these headphones so to then try and compare them is almost impossible.
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Leeman208 m ago

Like i have said, to access this product or any headphone for that matter …Like i have said, to access this product or any headphone for that matter you need to read reviews by respected websites/blogs/forums or if your lucky enough get hands on experience listening to the actual headphones. Marketing is used on every mainstream product, generic lines are almost a certainty when describing a product that is meant for a wide audience. A fair section of people who will buy headphones place aesthetics highly(beats as an example) over the actual type of sound they produce. you keep on saying that there are options available at a much lower price, but without listening to these then how can you compare the ones that you have in mind to these. You don't know the sound quality or the sound style of these headphones so to then try and compare them is almost impossible.


No you're missing the point. If they're intended to be presenting the audio without colouration, then they are effectively monitors. If you have ten pairs of headphones all designated as monitors, then they should arguably (though there's always slight differences) all sound exactly the same, because they're all supposed to be presenting the music exactly as it was recorded. They shouldn't have a "sound style" if they are doing what they claim to be.

It depends what you're looking for- a tuned sound or a "pure" sound. If you're buying these for the latter, which is what the description claims they provide, then there are plenty of options in the studio monitor category that should be equal to these, if not better.
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No you're missing the point. If they're intended to be presenting the …No you're missing the point. If they're intended to be presenting the audio without colouration, then they are effectively monitors. If you have ten pairs of headphones all designated as monitors, then they should arguably (though there's always slight differences) all sound exactly the same, because they're all supposed to be presenting the music exactly as it was recorded. They shouldn't have a "sound style" if they are doing what they claim to be.


So two headphone monitors, one open back and one closed back wont sound different?

im not going to argue about marketing terms whether right or wrong, the reviews are there to be read and people opinions likewise.
Edited by: "BBer21" 10th Mar
This is a good price. People don't think of Phillips as a premier headphone manufacturer but this particular headphone is massively well thought of amongst headphone fans. If you are looking to spend around this kind of money on a set of cans then you won't do much better for the money.
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Leeman207 m ago

So two headphone monitors, one open back and one closed back wont sound …So two headphone monitors, one open back and one closed back wont sound different? im not going to argue about marketing terms whether right or wrong, the reviews are there to be read and people opinions likewise.


You're just being pedantic now. No, of course not, but that's a product of the differing designs. Again, in theory, all open backed monitors would sound the same and all closed backs would sound the same.
deleted80130110th Mar

You're just being pedantic now. No, of course not, but that's a product of …You're just being pedantic now. No, of course not, but that's a product of the differing designs. Again, in theory, all open backed monitors would sound the same and all closed backs would sound the same.


okay
Looked into these a while back when buying headphones. For the price range for open/low isolation over-ears you're probably better off getting some Audio Technica ATH AD500X headphones for £120, or the AD700X for £150.
Like what I said.
Got three pairs of the Fidelio Philips M1MK11BK about a year ago. Without doubt the best headphones I have listed to. Comfortable to wear, warm punchy sound. The deal looks like it is for the updated version of the ones I have.
My favourite pair of headphones for both music and gaming. I've owned many pairs, but these have provided the best comfort/sound combo. Bought for £120 last year.
I have headphones from the Fidelio range L2 , M1BT , NC1 , S2 and F1 all are amazing sound. Not even the X2 need a amp , I have lots of Sennheiser as well and I think in their price range they are great lots of 5 stars from What Hifi etc.
almost same price on Amazon Spain
Anyone compared this againgst DT990 pro's? Im not sure if I should upgrade my Sennheiser hd579 for this. Very tempting
deleted80130110th Mar

I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect …I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect there's far better options available at this price, and using the Hi-Res logo is just an attempt to cash-in; Hi-Res stems from the source, not the output.


No, you haven't been looking.

These are some of the most well-loved headphones out there.

This is one of those, "It's the internet, so I must have an opinion on everything, no matter how inane" situations, obviously.
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You're just being pedantic now. No, of course not, but that's a product of …You're just being pedantic now. No, of course not, but that's a product of the differing designs. Again, in theory, all open backed monitors would sound the same and all closed backs would sound the same.


Having tried many headphones over the years including studio/monitoring versions; I can categorically state that they all sound different.

My experience with Philips has been the opposite of yours. They are coloured to sound slightly warm. They usually have a laid back sound and a mid range focus. Makes for very easy listening and do not tire your ears even after an extended listening session. I have these currently and they are superb. The ear pads do need a little bit of looking after, but that is worth it for the sound that they produce.

Any consumer would/should take marketing terms with a pinch of salt. TBH, I didnt even look at their marketing blurb. Just got a lot of experienced opinions, wrote up a shortlist and set about trying them all. I then purchased what I liked the most.
Edited by: "indyjukebox" 10th Mar
To the OP. Thanks for posting and ignore the folk giving you a hard time.
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No you're missing the point. If they're intended to be presenting the …No you're missing the point. If they're intended to be presenting the audio without colouration, then they are effectively monitors. If you have ten pairs of headphones all designated as monitors, then they should arguably (though there's always slight differences) all sound exactly the same, because they're all supposed to be presenting the music exactly as it was recorded. They shouldn't have a "sound style" if they are doing what they claim to be.It depends what you're looking for- a tuned sound or a "pure" sound. If you're buying these for the latter, which is what the description claims they provide, then there are plenty of options in the studio monitor category that should be equal to these, if not better.


What are these other options you keep talking about? Why don't you try giving us some at this price, quality and with reviews as good as these.
I paid around £200 for these about 3 years ago as an upgrade to a pair of beyerdynamic dt770s and they are absolutely brilliant headphones, better than the beyers in every way. I'd have reservations now about buying though as I've read quite a few times that phillips changed the manufacturer for these and the newer versions don't sound as good but could be worth trying out at this price.
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Don’t Phillips own b&o
Reports of manufacturing changes are often down fakes do its hard to tell.

Recent reviews are still as prior.
I own Hifiman he500's which were top cans a few years ago and cost me well over £500, even though they're clearer than the x2's in terms of fidelity, I sometimes love the laid back (but still very clear) sound the x2 produce. They are quite light and not intrusive enough to bother me even though I wear glasses. They're perfect bedside cans imo.

These are great all rounders. They work so well out of my iphone without being amped. I recommend don't go reading the Philips x2 thread over at headfi as you'll go away thinking you need this amp and that dac to get the most out of them. In the end after testing multiple sources I realised most of it was just placebo.

Oh, and they are fantastic for gaming!

I found they don't work so well with some sabre dacs sources, such as the DragonFly red / Oppo Ha2 (not tried se edition), to me they can make the x2s sound a little too harsh in the treble region (Sabre dacs can be known to make the treble slightly brittle sounding at high volumes, think fork scratching on a plate effect). But thats relative and may just be my hearing. Imo just an iPhone (and maybe other smartphones) are capable of driving them quite well.

Certainly a worthwhile pick up at this price.

Heat!
Edited by: "fluidz" 10th Mar
deleted80130110th Mar

I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect …I'm not a fan of Philips at all; I've not being looking but I suspect there's far better options available at this price, and using the Hi-Res logo is just an attempt to cash-in; Hi-Res stems from the source, not the output.



You haven't used these headphones so are not really in a position to argue against people who have and are delighted with them and argue you have! Just because they are Philips doesn't automatically mean they are a poor product regardless of your prejudices.

With that said, I am another very happy owner of the X2 headphones, that I have owned since early January, they sound superb and for this price they are impossible to beat "if" you are after this kind of headphones.

I wanted a very specific pair of headphones that were open so I could still hear what's going on in the room and that I could use for gaming as well as music without compromising on either. The X2 was easily the best choice for my requirements and that was at the £240 price point that I paid. I do also have a pair of closed phones that I use regularly too, more on that further down.

The sound quality is amazing as far as a pair of audiophile phones goes with only one or two others in the open headphone market that can match them, the others are a lot more expensive and also are a lot higher impedance. The impedance is very important and imho at 30ohms for gaming are ideal for plugging straight into the controller, much higher and they just don't go loud enough without amplification. For an open headphone they have really good bass and plenty enough for my taste either open or closed, no real compromise there. And, the cherry on top is the fact that the cable is a standard 3.5mm jack into the headphones themselves making it very easy to have a collection of cables depending on what you are doing at the time. I have the original fairly long and great quality cable for listening to music out of my amp, a really short slim cable for when I am gaming without chat and also another with an inline mic for when I want to play multiplayer (I use the VMODA Boom Mic that fits perfectly). This feature in itself is not that easy to find in a pair of headphones, let alone one with as good a sound as these.

All in all they are a very versatile headphone and the build quality is also superb. They have a real calf leather and metal headband, machined metal frames that the earphones swivel in and really nice memory foam and velvety type pads so your ears don't overheat like they do with the leather ones. The pads are big enough to sit comfortably over my fairly large ears without too much clamping strength making them really comfy. The enclosures that the actual drivers are mounted in is plastic but still feels fairly robust. I feel that replacement pads might be a little tricky to find as although they are removable they are not a standard fit and Philips themselves don't seem to do the replacements. Anyone that owns these and found a good replacement please let me know:)

I think its worth also having a good pair of closed design phones (with noise cancelling) as well as open as they both suit different needs. If someone is having a conversation in the same room or there are other noises such as you get in a busy family house then these are not going to allow you to enjoy the music fully but are perfect for on a night when its quieter or the room you are listening is otherwise quiet. With noise cancelling phones though you are making compromises in other areas such as sound quality and they are always more expensive than a non-noise cancelling model of the same type.

If you want the absolute best sound quality and that is your only concern then only higher impedance phones are going to cut it but you are also going to need a quality amplifier to match them and cost better not be high on your list of priorities

All in all I think these are impossible to beat at this price and they are such a versatile headphone that they would suit a wide range of applications and be a useful item in the vast majority of peoples headphone collections.
from the use i have had with these, they are in no where near flat sounding monitor style headphone. Quite the opposite if i remember rightly, they are meant to be fairly "fun" sounding or V shaped in terms of there EQ. I am interested to know if these have had a manufacturer change, they seem to still be getting good reviews recently but you can never be to careful. Glad that this deal may help a few of you out.
fluidz25 m ago

I own Hifiman he500's which were top cans a few years ago and cost me well …I own Hifiman he500's which were top cans a few years ago and cost me well over £500, even though they're clearer than the x2's in terms of fidelity, I sometimes love the laid back (but still very clear) sound the x2 produce. They are quite light and not intrusive enough to bother me even though I wear glasses. They're perfect bedside cans imo.I've found these are great all rounders. They work so well out of my iphone without being amped. I recommend don't go reading the Philips x2 thread over at headfi as you'll go away thinking you need this amp and that dac to get the most out of them. In the end after testing multiple sources I realised most of it was just placebo.Oh, and they are fantastic for gaming! I didn't find they work so well with some sabre dacs sources, such as the DragonFly red / Oppo Ha2 (not tried se edition), to me they can make the x2s sound a little too harsh in the treble region (Sabre dacs can be known to make the treble slightly brittle sounding at high volumes, think fork scratching on a plate effect). But thats relative and may just be my hearing. Imo just an iPhone (and maybe other smartphones) are capable of driving them quite well.Certainly a worthwhile pick up for this price.Heat!


I agree quite a bit with this. I also own the HE500's (great sounding headphones). Before them I demoed the Fidelio X1's and those had an amazing sound, the X2's were meant to be a slight improvement over them and I found that using an amp+dac combo can definitely improve the sound of the Philips, but they are by no means a requirement with these headphones. I would say that the thread over at HeadFi is an interesting read though and I would encourage it but would say for the casual user, take what they say with a grain of salt as sometimes they make it sound like headphones are unbearable to listen to without the perfect equipment.
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And here in lays my issue with Philips- they lie about everything. They're probably the most dishonest of the "name" brands when it comes to marketing claims. Hi-Res, nonsense. 40khz?! Are you buying them for you or your dog? "Plays your music in it's purest form", apparently not, when everyone has who has taken the time to bash me down has talked of their certain "warm", "laidback" "fun-sounding" colouration.

I didn't say they were rubbish. I never said "buy this instead", or "this is better than that". I said I "suspected" you could get better for the money, basing that on what Philips are claiming these to be.
Since everyone's goading for a reply, have a look at the Audio-Technica ATH-M50X, Beyerdynamic DT 770 or maybe Shure SRH840, all of which have a higher percentage of good reviews than the Philips- the former two over a much higher quantity of reviews (since everyone's obsessed with reviews), and all of which are cheaper. These should all be a lot closer to the "pure" sound that the Philips quite evidently don't offer. There's also a pair of AKG and KRK's in the running.

As everyone has said, how can I comment on these compared to others when I haven't tried them. Well likewise, who amongst the naysayers has been and tried the Philips AND all the above (as a very small example) to say that none of them aren't better than the Philips? I'll gladly be shot down by that person, and only that person.

Buy what you like, I'm not bothered. I merely dared to suggest there might be better out there. And on that note I'm off, so you can put your bottom lips away now.
Edited by: "deleted801301" 10th Mar
davidfwalsh5 h, 26 m ago

These are excellent headphones, at least they were when woox made them …These are excellent headphones, at least they were when woox made them there are lots of reports that they don't sound as good anymore but can't say if they've addressed those issues.


woox never affected sound quality. it was proved by many users all they did was change the fabric of the earcups and add glue to keep them in place
deleted80130110th Mar

And here in lays my issue with Philips- they lie about everything. They're …And here in lays my issue with Philips- they lie about everything. They're probably the most dishonest of the "name" brands when it comes to marketing claims. Hi-Res, nonsense. 40khz?! Are you buying them for you or your dog? "Plays your music in it's purest form", apparently not, when everyone has who has taken the time to bash me down has talked of their certain "warm", "laidback" "fun-sounding" colouration. I didn't say they were rubbish. I never said "buy this instead", or "this is better than that". I said I "suspected" you could get better for the money, basing that on what Philips are claiming these to be. Since everyone's goading for a reply, have a look at the Audio-Technica ATH-M50X, Beyerdynamic DT 770 or maybe Shure SRH840, all of which have a higher percentage of good reviews than the Philips- the former two over a much higher quantity of reviews (since everyone's obsessed with reviews), and all of which are cheaper. These should all be a lot closer to the "pure" sound that the Philips quite evidently don't offer. There's also a pair of AKG and KRK's in the running.As everyone has said, how can I comment on these compared to others when I haven't tried them. Well likewise, who amongst the naysayers has been and tried the Philips AND all the above to say that none of them aren't better than the Philips? I'll gladly be shot down by that person, and only that person.Buy what you like, I'm not bothered. I merely dare to suggest their might be better out there. And on that note I'm off, so you can put your bottom lips away now.



All your suggestions are closed back so not really comparable to the X2. Open phones have a much wider soundstage where as closed are tighter. If you are wanting the wider soundstage that only open phones can give then no closed headphone is ever going to match it. For me, there is a genuine reason to own more than one pair of headphones depending on what you want to do with them at the time and if talking about an ideal single pair for everything then a closed design would probably be my choice and, for around the low to mid £100 mark then your suggestions are good and worth looking at. They however are not the same and have their own strengths and weaknesses.

It's similar to a laptop or a desktop computer, they technically do the same thing but one is completely different to the other in a lot of ways.

If you are going to recommend other headphones at least recommend some low impedance open design phones in a similar price range.
Be warned if you have big ears, had to sell mine because of it. You better off with the 600 series.
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And here in lays my issue with Philips- they lie about everything. They're …And here in lays my issue with Philips- they lie about everything. They're probably the most dishonest of the "name" brands when it comes to marketing claims. Hi-Res, nonsense. 40khz?! Are you buying them for you or your dog? "Plays your music in it's purest form", apparently not, when everyone has who has taken the time to bash me down has talked of their certain "warm", "laidback" "fun-sounding" colouration. I didn't say they were rubbish. I never said "buy this instead", or "this is better than that". I said I "suspected" you could get better for the money, basing that on what Philips are claiming these to be. Since everyone's goading for a reply, have a look at the Audio-Technica ATH-M50X, Beyerdynamic DT 770 or maybe Shure SRH840, all of which have a higher percentage of good reviews than the Philips- the former two over a much higher quantity of reviews (since everyone's obsessed with reviews), and all of which are cheaper. These should all be a lot closer to the "pure" sound that the Philips quite evidently don't offer. There's also a pair of AKG and KRK's in the running.As everyone has said, how can I comment on these compared to others when I haven't tried them. Well likewise, who amongst the naysayers has been and tried the Philips AND all the above (as a very small example) to say that none of them aren't better than the Philips? I'll gladly be shot down by that person, and only that person.Buy what you like, I'm not bothered. I merely dared to suggest there might be better out there. And on that note I'm off, so you can put your bottom lips away now.


That you're recommending closed headphones is a pretty significant indicator you're just spouting rubbish about a topic you dont know anything about. It's ok to 'not know' about something and to refrain from forming an opinion on it. At the very, very least, do not go giving other people consumer advice when you are ignorant of a subject.
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