PIR Sensor Security Light - 120 Watt now just £5.97 or 400 Watt just £6.74 at Argos
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PIR Sensor Security Light - 120 Watt now just £5.97 or 400 Watt just £6.74 at Argos

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Found 24th Nov 2012
Very good price for a PIR sensor light. 400W model also available for £6.74.



Help protect your property with this great-value security light with an aluminium die-cast body and glass diffuser.

Aluminium die-cast body with glass diffuser.
IP rating 44.
120 degree detection range.
Detection distance up to 12m.
Adjustable PIR.
Bulbs required: 1 x 120W linear halogen (included).

Bulb specifications

Non dimmable.
Bulb length 14mm.
Bulb width 11mm.
Rated luminous flux 2230 lumens.
Power factor 220Pf.
Lumen maintenance factor 2230%.
Starting time 6 seconds.
Warm up time to 60% light instant full light.
Colour temperature 3000K.
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120w is ok for the money.....
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These are great - get the 400W one.

Whenever your dog walks past you will light up the neighbourhood and deter thieves.

Might annoy the neighbours but small point.
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squillion

These are great - get the 400W one.Whenever your dog walks past you will … These are great - get the 400W one.Whenever your dog walks past you will light up the neighbourhood and deter thieves.Might annoy the neighbours but small point.





My nearest neighbour is 200 yards away - I've had to put together a bank of 50 of the 400 Watt ones in order to p*ss them off. Not cheap, but worth it.


The downside is the dog's now blind.
Edited by: "Phila4" 24th Nov 2012
squillion

These are great - get the 400W one.Whenever your dog walks past you will … These are great - get the 400W one.Whenever your dog walks past you will light up the neighbourhood and deter thieves.Might annoy the neighbours but small point.



Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home thieves?
how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light but would need to be in a different position
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a3lawy

Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home … Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home thieves?



Because - strangely enough - your local neighbourhood thief does not like bright lights blinding him and making him think he's on candid camera.
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a3lawy

Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home … Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home thieves?




Well if you set them up correctly they should only trigger when somebody (or something) is actually on your property. I would think anybody looking to break in would be hesitant to carry on because how can anybody be sure if there is somebody at home or not?

Add to that the fact that it will light a potential crook up so there's a good chance that a neighbour or passer-by will see them (even if you're not home) should also put them off.

But for us the main point of these is that it lights up our garden and driveway really well when we leave or come back to the home. That's probably what most people have them for - as we don't have neighbours we also don't have any street lighting so without these it's pitch black outside.
squillion

Because - strangely enough - your local neighbourhood thief does not like … Because - strangely enough - your local neighbourhood thief does not like bright lights blinding him and making him think he's on candid camera.



Ah I see. Because thieves never break into homes with the dummy alarm lights or places with high security or CCTV monitored shops etc. Cars never get stolen with alarms, immobilisers and trackers.
Phila4

But for us the main point of these is that it lights up our garden and … But for us the main point of these is that it lights up our garden and driveway really well when we leave or come back to the home. That's probably what most people have them for - as we don't have neighbours we also don't have any street lighting so without these it's pitch black outside.



Yea, that's perfectly reasonable but to get lulled into false sense of security thinking these (or dummy alarms) deter criminals is silly.
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Jodyann

how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light … how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light but would need to be in a different position




Very easy. You just have three wires that connect up to live, earth and neutral connections (esentially the same as wiring a plug). I have all mine just running off a plug socket in the garage, but if you want to hard wire them then I've no idea. But just connecting a standard plug with 13 amp fuse works for me and has done for the last 10 years!
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a3lawy

Ah I see. Because thieves never break into homes with the dummy alarm … Ah I see. Because thieves never break into homes with the dummy alarm lights or places with high security or CCTV monitored shops etc. Cars never get stolen with alarms, immobilisers and trackers.



According to thieves confess stuff readily available if you google it, they also avoid scrunchy gravel.

They go for easiest pickings.

Which bright light aint.
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Yes, nice to reverse into garage with an extra bright light.
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a3lawy

Yea, that's perfectly reasonable but to get lulled into false sense of … Yea, that's perfectly reasonable but to get lulled into false sense of security thinking these (or dummy alarms) deter criminals is silly.




As I said, it would certainly put off some because it may mean somebody is home.

But to be on the safe side, I sit at my front window in a rocking chair staring out into the garden 24 hours a day ready to shout at any potential burglars.

I have to - sadly the dog's no good for that anymore.
a3lawy

Ah I see. Because thieves never break into homes with the dummy alarm … Ah I see. Because thieves never break into homes with the dummy alarm lights or places with high security or CCTV monitored shops etc. Cars never get stolen with alarms, immobilisers and trackers.



Stop being pedantic! The point everyone is making and you already know it but perhaps you need it spelt out for you! Is that these are preventative measures that will help deter a thief/burglar but obviously the determined thief would still break in.
[quote=Jodyann]how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light but would need to be in a different position[/quote

No harder than wiring a house hold plug inside the light unit its self, I wired one of these up last weekend and it was easy.
I used a length of left over extension cable and drilled straight through the wall then popped a plug on the end and job done.
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jasonh1339

[quote=Jodyann]how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired … [quote=Jodyann]how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light but would need to be in a different position[/quoteNo harder than wiring a house hold plug inside the light unit its self, I wired one of these up last weekend and it was easy.I used a length of left over extension cable and drilled straight through the wall then popped a plug on the end and job done.



Genius. Plus with any luck you will electrocute potential thieves.

They deserve it.
I could pass the wires through the upstairs bathroom extractor fan. Hoping to get the fan blocked up so could get two jobs done at once..

Im just wondering if there is a maximum height for these things from the ground as the vent is quite high up....
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reserved. I have a drill bit to go through the wall & ducting & flex. Job done for £9ish...... hot
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If you're planning to drill through walls and you don't have a suitable masonry bit, here's a decent one at Screwfix for £2.39 (10mm) if your walls are about 11-12" thick, or another here for £3.19 (12mm) if your walls are up to about 15" thick.

The larger one doesn't have great reviews but it'll do the job for a couple or so holes.
The best but the fiddliest wiring is to take cable from a ring main or circuit board to a 13 amp fused switch in a handy position by door say,then you can utilise the on all time setting if you want.
Might not be cheap in the long run...just bear in mind that if you have a 400W light on for 1hr per night then it would cost:
1hr x 0.4kW x 365 x 0.12 (assuming 12p per kWh for leccy) = £17.50 every year. So maybe £200 over the life of the light.

Obviously not a problem if its only on for a minute or two as the local tabby strolls past but using these as general outside lighting is very expensive in the long run. If you look around you can get some decent LED floodlights that will be more expensive up front but much cheaper after a year or two. Deal extreme and Ali Express are great places for cheapo Chinese LED gadgets.
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neelpeel

Might not be cheap in the long run...just bear in mind that if you have a … Might not be cheap in the long run...just bear in mind that if you have a 400W light on for 1hr per night then it would cost:1hr x 0.4kW x 365 x 0.12 (assuming 12p per kWh for leccy) = £17.50 every year. So maybe £200 over the life of the light.Obviously not a problem if its only on for a minute or two as the local tabby strolls past but using these as general outside lighting is very expensive in the long run. If you look around you can get some decent LED floodlights that will be more expensive up front but much cheaper after a year or two. Deal extreme and Ali Express are great places for cheapo Chinese LED gadgets.




Thing is these are the PIR ones and so are meant to only come on for a few seconds to maybe a minute and a half before switching off - unless something is constantly triggering it off e.g., you're on your driveway taking in the shopping.

So these are going to cost maybe a pound or two a year in electricity.

As for LED floodlights, I've yet to find one that gets anywhere near these halogen ones - I've looked at lots of reviews for LED ones and not only are they far more expensive (anywhere between 4 - 8 times the cost), but they simply do not give out the same amount of light.

For permanent lighting that remains on then I agree - look for something else (unless you're loaded and don't care about the running costs), but for the purpose for which these are made you can't beat them.
Edited by: "Phila4" 24th Nov 2012
Phila4

But just connecting a standard plug with 13 amp fuse works for me and … But just connecting a standard plug with 13 amp fuse works for me and has done for the last 10 years!



Definitely not recommended. These need a maximum 3amp fuse.
Edited by: "shakeyjake66" 24th Nov 2012
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shakeyjake66

Definitely not recommended. These need a maximum 3amp fuse.




I don't know if that's right or not, but I've been using a 13A fuse for 10 years with no problem. I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about electrics, but interestingly a few months ago I bought some of those site type lights (pic below) and they were 500W and they came with 13A fuses fitted in the plugs.


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So I took it from that a 13A fuse is normal.

In my case I currently have 2 x 500W PIRs and 4 150W PIRs on the same circuit - daisy chained together to just one plug. No problems at all and even though they are rarely all on together (they are around 3 sides of the house) they are occasionally and there are no problems with shorts or overloading.
Edited by: "Phila4" 24th Nov 2012
Phila4

In my case I currently have 2 x 500W PIRs and 4 150W PIRs on the same … In my case I currently have 2 x 500W PIRs and 4 150W PIRs on the same circuit - daisy chained together to just one plug. No problems at all and even though they are rarely all on together (they are around 3 sides of the house) they are occasionally and there are no problems with shorts or overloading.



and is the mansion safe
Watts/volts = amps 400w/230v = 1.7amp so 3 or 5 amp will do.

In Phila4s case 1600w/230v = 7amp
I got one from maplin couple of months ago was ok until last Friday now on permanently on unless you switch it off???
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oddballjamie

Watts/volts = amps 400w/230v = 1.7amp so 3 or 5 amp will do.In Phila4s … Watts/volts = amps 400w/230v = 1.7amp so 3 or 5 amp will do.In Phila4s case 1600w/230v = 7amp




I've seen this calculation before and I never remember it!

As I've said earlier, I know very little about electrics so what are the supposed dangers of running one of these lights with a higher rated fuse? Not that I've had any problems in the 10 years I've had them though, but I'm up for being educated.
Phila4

I've seen this calculation before and I never remember it!As I've said … I've seen this calculation before and I never remember it!As I've said earlier, I know very little about electrics so what are the supposed dangers of running one of these lights with a higher rated fuse? Not that I've had any problems in the 10 years I've had them though, but I'm up for being educated.



In your case, the 13a fuse is the closest you'll get, the next down (as far as I know) being only 5a which won't withstand the current. Though strictly speaking, they shouldn't all be on one plug and would be safer split into two circuits and fused at 5 amps each..

The 500w site lights should never have been sold with a 13a fuse. I think it's against the law nowadays to sell electrical items with incorrect fuses.

The dangers of "over-fusing" are that the cables and wiring involved with the fittings aren't capable of withstanding that amount of current, so any fault could cause the wires to overheat/melt/set on fire before the fuse blows.

Edited by: "shakeyjake66" 25th Nov 2012
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Jodyann

how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light … how difficult are these to wire up? Already got a wired outside light but would need to be in a different position


I bought one last week.

very poor quality and cant see it lasting the winter.

very fiddly to wire up as junction box is tiny.

have to take it down now as it goes off and on at night constantly when its windy so I guess the wind is blowing the PIR inside and making it think there is movement

I wouldnt buy one for a £1

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a3lawy

Yea, that's perfectly reasonable but to get lulled into false sense of … Yea, that's perfectly reasonable but to get lulled into false sense of security thinking these (or dummy alarms) deter criminals is silly.


you're the one making yourself look rather silly suggesting a light going off wont deter a burglar!
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shakeyjake66

In your case, the 13a fuse is the closest you'll get, the next down (as … In your case, the 13a fuse is the closest you'll get, the next down (as far as I know) being only 5a which won't withstand the current. Though strictly speaking, they shouldn't all be on one plug and would be safer split into two circuits and fused at 5 amps each.. The 500w site lights should never have been sold with a 13a fuse. I think it's against the law nowadays to sell electrical items with incorrect fuses.The dangers of "over-fusing" are that the cables and wiring involved with the fittings aren't capable of withstanding that amount of current, so any fault could cause the wires to overheat/melt/set on fire before the fuse blows.




Cheers! Always nice to pick up a bit of knowledge!
Can you power these off batteries
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anthony69

Can you power these off batteries




Yes - for about 4 seconds.
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flopstocks

Energy efficent bulbs to go with … Energy efficent bulbs to go with thesehttp://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/low-energy-saving-12w-floodlight-bulb-r7-replace-150w-2-99-99p-p-p-ebay-total-warehouse-1380530http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/floodlight-bulb-j78-energy-saving-security-r7s-j78mm-9w-amazon-1380549


good luck trying to get one of those to fit these lamps oO
I have fitted these without problems
What about this?

amazon.co.uk/Rep…-15
Edited by: "flopstocks" 27th Nov 2012
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flopstocks

I have fitted these without problems


these lamps are dual spring loaded so they wont fit in mine (same as this deal)
a3lawy

Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home … Why would a light everyone knows is a dummy sensor-based deter home thieves?


Can we assume then that you talk from experience? And exactly how many times have you been in prison then?
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