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Portal TV. Smart video calling on your TV, with Alexa built in. The Portal experience on the biggest screen in your home. Portal TV's Smart Camera automatically pans and zooms to keep up with the action, so connecting with loved ones feels like being in the same room, even when you're far apart. Portal TV's Shared experiences let you bring your children's favourite stories to life with music, animation and AR effects, or enjoy your favourite Facebook Watch shows together. And with Alexa built in, you can check the front door, control your smart home, listen to your favourite music, watch the news and more.

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They couldn't pay me to have one of these
CoeK26/11/2019 21:35

Because you don't like video calling?


Because I don't like the largest hoarders of personal data and one of the most mercenary companies in the world having a permanently connected video camera in my living room
I'm not saying I want one or Facebook aren't guilty but I couldn't care if they are watching me talk with my kids about naf all. What do I have to hide, hack away at my data you'll find I'm really rather dull.....
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Edited by: "PaulandPam" 26th Nov 2019
They couldn't pay me to have one of these
manic11126/11/2019 21:30

They couldn't pay me to have one of these


Because you don't like video calling?
CoeK26/11/2019 21:35

Because you don't like video calling?


Because I don't like the largest hoarders of personal data and one of the most mercenary companies in the world having a permanently connected video camera in my living room
manic11126/11/2019 21:39

Because I don't like the largest hoarders of personal data and one of the …Because I don't like the largest hoarders of personal data and one of the most mercenary companies in the world having a permanently connected video camera in my living room


It has a cover. Or you could just unplug it.
CoeK26/11/2019 21:41

It has a cover. Or you could just unplug it.


Or I could video call on my laptop or iPhone
manic11126/11/2019 21:42

Or I could video call on my laptop or iPhone


Maybe the CIA will be watching you through your webcam.
manic11126/11/2019 21:42

Or I could video call on my laptop or iPhone


Anyone could be listening in to that too.
CoeK26/11/2019 21:42

Maybe the CIA will be watching you through your webcam.


That seems rather more unlikely than a company renowned whose sole purpose is collecting and selling data (either directly, or indirectly to advertisers)
manic11126/11/2019 21:44

That seems rather more unlikely than a company renowned whose sole purpose …That seems rather more unlikely than a company renowned whose sole purpose is collecting and selling data (either directly, or indirectly to advertisers)


Paranoia has no sensible limits.
I mean, the company was literally all over the media with its CEO answering to senators specifically questioning what manic111 is worried about. Seems a sensible limit to me
I'm not saying I want one or Facebook aren't guilty but I couldn't care if they are watching me talk with my kids about naf all. What do I have to hide, hack away at my data you'll find I'm really rather dull.....
WonderBang26/11/2019 22:00

I mean, the company was literally all over the media with its CEO …I mean, the company was literally all over the media with its CEO answering to senators specifically questioning what manic111 is worried about. Seems a sensible limit to me


Interesting. Assuming I want tech advice from someone who struggles to quote what exactly was it about the Facebook scandal that makes you think that your video conversations with Granny or aunt Margaret are of interest?
I just can’t see what this does that my current devices don’t? Most people have one device capable of video calls. I have phone, tablet and computer. Way overpriced.
Msx9826/11/2019 22:15

I'm not saying I want one or Facebook aren't guilty but I couldn't care if …I'm not saying I want one or Facebook aren't guilty but I couldn't care if they are watching me talk with my kids about naf all. What do I have to hide, hack away at my data you'll find I'm really rather dull.....


Exactly.

And just turn it off when you aren't video calling.
CoeK26/11/2019 21:41

It has a cover. Or you could just unplug it.


Great, and hide it in the cupboard unplugged. Its a must buy. Haha

Anyone who plants one of these Facebook devices in their living room following you around the room needs their head screwing on.
To be fair, anyone still using Facebook needs a rethink.
Chiptivo26/11/2019 22:58

Great, and hide it in the cupboard unplugged. Its a must buy. HahaAnyone …Great, and hide it in the cupboard unplugged. Its a must buy. HahaAnyone who plants one of these Facebook devices in their living room following you around the room needs their head screwing on. To be fair, anyone still using Facebook needs a rethink.


Probably a bit extreme but yeh sure stick it in a lead box on the cupboard if it makes you feel better.
CoeK26/11/2019 21:47

Paranoia has no sensible limits.


How is it paranoia?

Facebook is how millions of people worldwide obtain their news. Facebook's job is to obtain and increase advertising revenue. The more people they attract to their platform, for as long a period of time as possible, the more ads will be clicked and the higher their revenue will be. People, by and large, click on articles which appeal to their emotive side. The more Facebook learns about you, the more they know what makes you emotive or otherwise, and can feed you links on the basis of this, increasing your stickability and their revenue. Further, by feeding people these highly emotive articles, they make them more emotive and more prone to believing, agreeing with, and clicking through more on the articles served. By listening to your calls, Facebook can improve their understanding of what makes you emotional and boost this practice still further.

I have two problems with this. One is personal - I consider it morally wrong that my private data, such as the content of my calls, can be used directly or indirectly to drive revenue. The second is societal - the more Facebook manipulates what news it serves to its users, the more society will become polarised and angry, reducing intelligent discourse and nuance and leading to more upheaval.

If you think the above is paranoia, tell me what part of it you consider so.
manic11126/11/2019 23:14

How is it paranoia?Facebook is how millions of people worldwide obtain …How is it paranoia?Facebook is how millions of people worldwide obtain their news. Facebook's job is to obtain and increase advertising revenue. The more people they attract to their platform, for as long a period of time as possible, the more ads will be clicked and the higher their revenue will be. People, by and large, click on articles which appeal to their emotive side. The more Facebook learns about you, the more they know what makes you emotive or otherwise, and can feed you links on the basis of this, increasing your stickability and their revenue. Further, by feeding people these highly emotive articles, they make them more emotive and more prone to believing, agreeing with, and clicking through more on the articles served. By listening to your calls, Facebook can improve their understanding of what makes you emotional and boost this practice still further. I have two problems with this. One is personal - I consider it morally wrong that my private data, such as the content of my calls, can be used directly or indirectly to drive revenue. The second is societal - the more Facebook manipulates what news it serves to its users, the more society will become polarised and angry, reducing intelligent discourse and nuance and leading to more upheaval. If you think the above is paranoia, tell me what part of it you consider so.


I only read the first sentence.

You think someone is listening in on your video calls, that is paranoia to me.
CoeK26/11/2019 23:17

I only read the first sentence.You think someone is listening in on your …I only read the first sentence.You think someone is listening in on your video calls, that is paranoia to me.


No. I think the data from the video calls as a whole are being aggregated by Facebook's machine learning algorithms.

That said, Facebook will be storing the content of the calls and I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of their employees had the capability to listen to them if they were that way inclined. If you'd actually read my post rather than arguing against a point that I hadn't made, however, you'd realise that this is not my concern.
CoeK26/11/2019 22:50

Interesting. Assuming I want tech advice from someone who struggles to …Interesting. Assuming I want tech advice from someone who struggles to quote what exactly was it about the Facebook scandal that makes you think that your video conversations with Granny or aunt Margaret are of interest?


I mean, wasnt the whole under-the-table sale of targeted data on its users to Cambridge Analytica who are literally a political consulting firm working for political parties at the very highest level enough to make your conversations with granny, aunt, friends, professional contacts of relevance? I'm not sure you're aware of the scandal I'm on about as it doesn't take an Einstein to see how it quiet literally translates to them literally capturing and selling far more on its users than they admit to even in those pages long T&Cs nobody reads...
WonderBang26/11/2019 23:26

I mean, wasnt the whole under-the-table sale of targeted data on its users …I mean, wasnt the whole under-the-table sale of targeted data on its users to Cambridge Analytica who are literally a political consulting firm working for political parties at the very highest level enough to make your conversations with granny, aunt, friends, professional contacts of relevance? I'm not sure you're aware of the scandal I'm on about as it doesn't take an Einstein to see how it quiet literally translates to them literally capturing and selling far more on its users than they admit to even in those pages long T&Cs nobody reads...


No.
manic11126/11/2019 23:21

No. I think the data from the video calls as a whole are being aggregated …No. I think the data from the video calls as a whole are being aggregated by Facebook's machine learning algorithms. That said, Facebook will be storing the content of the calls and I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of their employees had the capability to listen to them if they were that way inclined. If you'd actually read my post rather than arguing against a point that I hadn't made, however, you'd realise that this is not my concern.


More paranoia.
CoeK26/11/2019 23:56

More paranoia.


More enlightened commentary
manic11126/11/2019 23:57

More enlightened commentary


Careful, your light bulbs might be bugged.
CoeK27/11/2019 00:07

Careful, your light bulbs might be bugged.


Here's the thing. I've summarised fears and arguments raised by former Google and Facebook employees and investors such as Tristan Harris and Roger McNamee, academics such as Shoshana Zuboff and Sam Harris, federations such as the EEF, and Tim Berners Lee who invented the internet.

You, conversely, have simply flung muck and failed to make a single coherent point. The irony is that your attempts at argument exemplify one of the concerns with social media, which is that their focus on emotional language and point scoring to gain likes reduces intelligent discourse and nuance.
manic11127/11/2019 00:30

Here's the thing. I've summarised fears and arguments raised by former …Here's the thing. I've summarised fears and arguments raised by former Google and Facebook employees and investors such as Tristan Harris and Roger McNamee, academics such as Shoshana Zuboff and Sam Harris, federations such as the EEF, and Tim Berners Lee who invented the internet.You, conversely, have simply flung muck and failed to make a single coherent point. The irony is that your attempts at argument exemplify one of the concerns with social media, which is that their focus on emotional language and point scoring to gain likes reduces intelligent discourse and nuance.


I only saw paranoid rambling. Maybe you should try again?
CoeK27/11/2019 00:31

I only saw paranoid rambling. Maybe you should try again?


I thought you didn't read beyond the first sentence?
manic11127/11/2019 00:32

I thought you didn't read beyond the first sentence?


That was the first sentence.
CoeK27/11/2019 00:33

That was the first sentence.


Perhaps you should read the rest and then return with some educated comment, then?

Or, if you think you'll disagree with me regardless of what I say, perhaps try reading into the subject for yourself. This week's article in the New Yorker is a good place to start, as is Sam Harris's recent interview with Roger McNamee. Links below.

newyorker.com/mag…tor


samharris.org/pod…ok/
manic11127/11/2019 00:37

Perhaps you should read the rest and then return with some educated …Perhaps you should read the rest and then return with some educated comment, then?Or, if you think you'll disagree with me regardless of what I say, perhaps try reading into the subject for yourself. This week's article in the New Yorker is a good place to start, as is Sam Harris's recent interview with Roger McNamee. Links below. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/02/big-techs-big-defectorhttps://samharris.org/podcasts/152-trouble-facebook/


If I have trouble sleeping I might go over your essay. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
CoeK27/11/2019 00:38

If I have trouble sleeping I might go over your essay. I wouldn't hold …If I have trouble sleeping I might go over your essay. I wouldn't hold your breath though.


I'm not, I've got absolutely no expectation that people like you have any desire to attempt to gain an understanding of things, you're far too busy devoting yourself to snide remarks.
manic11127/11/2019 00:40

I'm not, I've got absolutely no expectation that people like you have any …I'm not, I've got absolutely no expectation that people like you have any desire to attempt to gain an understanding of things, you're far too busy devoting yourself to snide remarks.


Fascinating. I'll be sure to read inane ramblings of people on a shopping site about products they aren't interested in.

I mean it is totally normal to write an essay online about why you don't want to buy a product for video calling.
CoeK27/11/2019 00:43

Fascinating. I'll be sure to read inane ramblings of people on a shopping …Fascinating. I'll be sure to read inane ramblings of people on a shopping site about products they aren't interested in.I mean it is totally normal to write an essay online about why you don't want to buy a product for video calling.


An essay? The longest post on this was two pretty brief paragraphs. If that's what you consider an essay, it certainly explains why you're incapable of taking the information on board and responding to it in a meaningful way.
manic11127/11/2019 00:44

An essay? The longest post on this was two pretty brief paragraphs. If …An essay? The longest post on this was two pretty brief paragraphs. If that's what you consider an essay, it certainly explains why you're incapable of taking the information on board and responding to it in a meaningful way.


I imagine they were very interesting and very much the sign of a sane mind.
CoeK27/11/2019 00:51

I imagine they were very interesting and very much the sign of a sane mind.


You mean more sane than the person who's spent the night arguing against somebody without even bothering to read what that person wrote?
manic11127/11/2019 00:53

You mean more sane than the person who's spent the night arguing against …You mean more sane than the person who's spent the night arguing against somebody without even bothering to read what that person wrote?


It entertains me to see the lengths some people go to when trying to pretend to know things. No idea what's in it for you.
CoeK27/11/2019 00:55

It entertains me to see the lengths some people go to when trying to …It entertains me to see the lengths some people go to when trying to pretend to know things. No idea what's in it for you.


I'm not pretending to know anything. As already said, I'm restating arguments made by a number of eminent and knowledgeable people, including an early investor to Facebook who introduced Sheryl Sandberg to Zuckerberg, the father of the internet, and a former senior Google engineer. I've referred you to articles in reputable publications such as the New Yorker. If you want, I can refer you to similar articles in the FT, Guardian, Times, and numerous other publications. These are not articles and opinions from ignorant people but from those who spent much of their careers working for these platforms.

What intrigues me is your utter lack of desire to learn more and maybe gain some perspective on an issue which many argue has swung two of the most divisive elections in UK and US history.

But hey, I'm off to bed. You can lead a horse to water, and all that
Edited by: "manic111" 27th Nov 2019
manic11127/11/2019 01:01

I'm not pretending to know anything. As already said, I'm restating …I'm not pretending to know anything. As already said, I'm restating arguments made by a number of eminent and knowledgeable people, including an early investor to Facebook who introduced Sheryl Sandberg to Zuckerberg, the father of the internet, and a former senior Google engineer. I've referred you to articles in reputable publications such as the New Yorker. If you want, I can refer you to similar articles in the FT, Guardian, Times, and numerous other publications. These are not articles and opinions from ignorant people but from those who spent much of their careers working for these platforms.What intrigues me is your utter lack of desire to learn more and maybe gain some perspective on an issue which many argue has swung two of the most divisive elections in UK and US history.But hey, I'm off to bed. You can lead a horse to water, and all that


I read the last sentence this time.
CoeK27/11/2019 01:05

I read the last sentence this time.


Engaging as always. Goodnight. Perhaps you should take a peek in this section - deals on things called books. They're a bit like bigger essays, if you're not familiar with them. You might learn something.

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