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PowerColor AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2 Vega2 Graphics Card £599.89 @ Overclockers (2 free games)

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Posted 30th Jun
Small price drop for this card, comes with 2 games promotion.

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Technical Details:
- Slot Height: 2-Slot
- GPU: AMD Radeon Vega 7
- Manufacturing Process: 7 nm
- Compute Units: 60
- Upto 13.8 TFLOPS
- GPU Frequency: 1.400 MHz
- Gaming Mode (Boost): 1.750 MHz
- Stream Processors: 3840
- VRAM: 16.384 MB
- Memory Frequency: 1000 MHz (2.0Gbps)
- Type: High Bandwidth Generation 2 Memory (HBM2)
- Memory Bus Bandwidth: 4.096 Bit
- Memory Throughput: approx. 1TB/s
- Slot Type: PCIe x16 (PCIe / PCIe 2.x / PCIe 3.0)
- 3x DisplayPort 1.4 HBR3/HDR Ready
- 1x HDMI 2.0b
- Typical Power Usage Under Load: 300 Watt
- Power Supply Connectors: 2x 8-Pin PCIe
- Recommended Power Supply: min. 650 Watt
- Features: OpenCL 2.0, OpenGL 4.5, Vulkan API, AMD Eyefinity Technology, AMD PowerTune Technology, AMD FreeSync2 Technology Support, AMD XConnect Technology
- Warranty: 2yr
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As an owner of one of these i say just hold out 1 more week for 5700 XT.
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
powerbrick30/06/2019 18:10

Just get one of the new NVidia 'super' cards AMD have given up.


If you want to support their dodgy practices that's up to you. I sure as hell won't.

And AMD certainly haven't given up.
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As an owner of one of these i say just hold out 1 more week for 5700 XT.
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
Very solid card. Tempted by this but I think the 5700XT would be the better buy for me so likely gonna wait as they'll also have custom cooler designs from the various manufacturers.

If you use a lot of mods etc or if this card is good you in certain workloads you work with then this is a super buy.
3anana30/06/2019 16:58

As an owner of one of these i say just hold out 1 more week for 5700 XT.


Leaked benchmarks of the 5700 and xt are disappointing, but then I was hoping it would go up against a 2070 for £400. Hoping AMD will have decent drivers upon release. They must be seething at the 2070 super card being released
Just get one of the new NVidia 'super' cards AMD have given up.
Nvidia Supers are out in a week or so.
Stinky price.
powerbrick30/06/2019 18:10

Just get one of the new NVidia 'super' cards AMD have given up.


If you want to support their dodgy practices that's up to you. I sure as hell won't.

And AMD certainly haven't given up.
iehrgeizi30/06/2019 18:47

If you want to support their dodgy practices that's up to you. I sure as …If you want to support their dodgy practices that's up to you. I sure as hell won't.And AMD certainly haven't given up.


Oh forgot AMD are saints and do nothing wrong..... Overclockers dream....
jaydeeuk130/06/2019 17:52

Leaked benchmarks of the 5700 and xt are disappointing, but then I was …Leaked benchmarks of the 5700 and xt are disappointing, but then I was hoping it would go up against a 2070 for £400. Hoping AMD will have decent drivers upon release. They must be seething at the 2070 super card being released



I think Nvidia held turing back a bit on release just to milk with Super. Some of the feature set Navi brings is really neat, great for old titles. Navi cards and architecture will do better as time goes on compared to Turing as newer games release.

As high as the Navi prices might seem, most of that is because of those nonsense leaks claiming $250 which is just stupid. That said don't hold your breaths for Super.. it will be evem worse value.

Ultimately though one should buy what is right for their application and offers the best value for it. Wait a week, compare your red and green and know which offers you more value. Giving any company money without making them work for it only makes them more reluctant to actually innovate and progress. *coughIntel*
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
Realized tha Nvidia does never let me down
3anana30/06/2019 18:53

I think Nvidia held turing back a bit on release just to milk with Super. …I think Nvidia held turing back a bit on release just to milk with Super. Some of the feature set Navi brings is really neat, great for old titles. Navi cards and architecture will do better as time goes on compared to Turing as newer games release.As high as the Navi prices might seem, most of that is because of those nonsense leaks claiming $250 which is just stupid. That said don't hold your breaths for Super.. it will be evem worse value.Ultimately though one should buy what is right for their application and offers the best value for it. Wait a week, compare your red and green and know which offers you more value. Giving any company money without making them work for it only makes them more reluctant to actually innovate and progress. *coughIntel*


Agree they held back, because they didn't need to go out all guns. I'm only interested in the mid range segment, but I also value efficiency, performance per watt is the best way of determining how good an architecture is. Sadly Navi probably won't even beat Pascal. Used to like AMD, but their marketing mouth writes cheques their development team can't cash, they've ruined ATI - since the 4000 series which was still ATI designed they've been spanked each gen by Nvidia. I reckon they blew their r&d resources manufacturing for console makers.

Bring back the days of cyrix, idt and via along with 3dfx, powervr, S3. Back when a top end GPU was £150, not £1500, and you and your mates all had completely different components bought from computer fairs at the local sports center...
jaydeeuk130/06/2019 19:18

Agree they held back, because they didn't need to go out all guns. I'm …Agree they held back, because they didn't need to go out all guns. I'm only interested in the mid range segment, but I also value efficiency, performance per watt is the best way of determining how good an architecture is. Sadly Navi probably won't even beat Pascal. Used to like AMD, but their marketing mouth writes cheques their development team can't cash, they've ruined ATI - since the 4000 series which was still ATI designed they've been spanked each gen by Nvidia. I reckon they blew their r&d resources manufacturing for console makers.Bring back the days of cyrix, idt and via along with 3dfx, powervr, S3. Back when a top end GPU was £150, not £1500, and you and your mates all had completely different components bought from computer fairs at the local sports center...



A fair point, the thing is AMD's resources are split between so many things, where as NVIDIA can dedicate much more to their GPUs. That said with money from Ryzen and consoles coming in expect AMD GPUs to become better and better. This is just a first step. Navi is also very scalable and with it running on consoles and PC it makes AMD's job of R&D so much easier, as well as devs who don't have to worry about significant hardware differences between PC/console. in the end it its better for us consumers as we should get better quality games with less of a "port" feel. The rest of that tasks relies on the game developers themselves.

As for efficiency, my undervolted R7 is not far off my Strix 2080. 7nm vs 12nm I know but vega is very power hungry architecturally. Another issue R7 has is thermal throttling which restricts performance quite a bit. As an architecture navi is much more efficient in its resource use which was more of a problem for GCN. Bigger Navi cards will come long towards the end of the year. As for the 5700 XT, it won't be far off R7, but with much less heat/power.
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
3anana30/06/2019 16:58

As an owner of one of these i say just hold out 1 more week for 5700 XT.


Can I ask how loud is the card under general gaming loads? I heard it sounded like a fighter jet from some reviews but they never actually showed proof.
chapchap30/06/2019 18:12

Nvidia Supers are out in a week or so.


Supers launch 2nd July, hopefully there will be decent availability. I'm assuming they will be ready to crash AMD's party. I'm buying the 2070 super, was going to get the 5700xt but what's the point now.
Edited by: "LazybeatX" 30th Jun
jaydeeuk130/06/2019 19:18

Bring back the days of cyrix, idt and via along with 3dfx, powervr, S3. …Bring back the days of cyrix, idt and via along with 3dfx, powervr, S3. Back when a top end GPU was £150, not £1500, and you and your mates all had completely different components bought from computer fairs at the local sports center...


The original Voodoo card was $299 when it launched in 1996, which adjust for inflation is now $488, so a 'top' end card is now much more expensive. However, if you take the original GeForce 256 (DDR), that was only $279 and launched over three years later, showing performance was increasing as prices decreased, but until around 2021 we are not going to see that in the modern day graphics card world sadly.

I still have my original Matrox Mystique card which supported the Orchid Righteous 3D Voodoo, couple with the good old P133, and and a Creative Labs Sound Blaster Awe 32, and 4x CD-ROM... those were the days, much better than my crappy 386/486's.
iehrgeizi30/06/2019 17:01

Very solid card. Tempted by this but I think the 5700XT would be the …Very solid card. Tempted by this but I think the 5700XT would be the better buy for me so likely gonna wait as they'll also have custom cooler designs from the various manufacturers.If you use a lot of mods etc or if this card is good you in certain workloads you work with then this is a super buy.


There won't be custom cards until about 4 to 8 weeks from now.
LazybeatX30/06/2019 21:45

Supers launch 2nd July, hopefully there will be decent availability. I'm …Supers launch 2nd July, hopefully there will be decent availability. I'm assuming they will be ready to crash AMD's party. I'm buying the 2070 super, was going to get the 5700xt but what's the point now.


9th I think you’ll find. I’m looking at the 2080 Super if it’s as good as I hope. The 2070 Super is 12% faster than a 2070 so let’s hope that’s true.
chapchap30/06/2019 22:07

9th I think you’ll find. I’m looking at the 2080 Super if it’s as good as I …9th I think you’ll find. I’m looking at the 2080 Super if it’s as good as I hope. The 2070 Super is 12% faster than a 2070 so let’s hope that’s true.


I thought it was the 2nd? techradar.com/new…nch
LazybeatX30/06/2019 22:09

I thought it was the 2nd? …I thought it was the 2nd? https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-super-rtx-gpus-could-steal-amds-navi-thunder-with-rumored-july-2-launch


Amazon.com had a couple showing 9th July as the release date- one week after the “reveal” date? But who really knows just yet
chapchap30/06/2019 22:12

Amazon.com had a couple showing 9th July as the release date- one week …Amazon.com had a couple showing 9th July as the release date- one week after the “reveal” date? But who really knows just yet


I bet it will probably be a soft launch on the 2nd with availability probably the week after, more likely the case.
chapchap30/06/2019 22:07

9th I think you’ll find. I’m looking at the 2080 Super if it’s as good as I …9th I think you’ll find. I’m looking at the 2080 Super if it’s as good as I hope. The 2070 Super is 12% faster than a 2070 so let’s hope that’s true.


Based on unconfirmed benchmarks....fingers crossed etc.. Lots of doubt about those benchmarks as many of the others detailed are a bit wide of the mark for currently released cards.

forums.overclockers.co.uk/thr…-65

And as detail over at Tom's Hardware, take the benchmarks with a pinch of salt.

amp.tomshardware.co.uk/nvi…tml
Edited by: "Just.Wondering" 30th Jun
Horrorwood30/06/2019 22:01

There won't be custom cards until about 4 to 8 weeks from now.


Yeah I know. Still worth waiting.
The pricing of average discrete graphics is obscene and will only help the PS5 and next xbox. Myself I've bought a pi and reliving gaming when gameplay was king.
LazybeatX30/06/2019 21:45

Supers launch 2nd July, hopefully there will be decent availability. I'm …Supers launch 2nd July, hopefully there will be decent availability. I'm assuming they will be ready to crash AMD's party. I'm buying the 2070 super, was going to get the 5700xt but what's the point now.


I think Navi will be priced pretty competitively relative to RTX. Just wait until around 10th July and then see what good offers are about. Anything below a 2080 is frankly underwhelming considering the price. A £250 2060 is reasonable, but £300 onwards where the 2060 is generally priced it isn't great, and the 2080s are north of 600. The 2080 should've been £500, and the 2070 ~£350. The Super versions of the RTX cards are simply replacing the older ones at the same (or slightly higher) pricepoints.

As for this card, in its factory condition it is relatively loud unless you undervolt. Mine runs 950mv at stock frequencies where the standard card is 1100mv and it made a fair difference. The temps were for the most part similar but the noise was much lower because of the reduced fan speed. Since then I replaced the graphite pad with kryonaut thermal paste and did the washer mod, which reduced hotspot temps by around 10c further reducing noise. The undervolt alone did make a reasonable difference but if you're thinking about this card and primarily from a gaming standpoint, the 5700 XT is better. Even if it may be a little slower, the trade off is much less power draw and thus heat and noise.

And 2nd July is just a soft launch to take attention off Navi.
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
3anana30/06/2019 22:32

I think Navi will be priced pretty competitively relative to RTX. Just …I think Navi will be priced pretty competitively relative to RTX. Just wait until around 10th July and then see what good offers are about. Anything below a 2080 is frankly underwhelming considering the price. A £250 2060 is reasonable, but £300 onwards where the 2060 is generally priced it isn't great, and the 2080s are north of 600. The 2080 should've been £500, and the 2070 ~£350. The Super versions of the RTX cards are simply replacing the older ones at the same (or slightly higher) pricepoints.As for this card, in its factory condition it is relatively loud unless you undervolt. Mine runs 950mv at stock frequencies where the standard card is 1100mv and it made a fair difference. The temps were for the most part similar but the noise was much lower because of the reduced fan speed. Since then I replaced the graphite pad with kryonaut thermal paste and did the washer mod, which reduced hotspot temps by around 10c further reducing noise. The undervolt alone did make a reasonable difference but if you're thinking about this card and primarily from a gaming standpoint, the 5700 XT is better. Even if it may be a little slower, the trade off is much less power draw and thus heat and noise.And 2nd July is just a soft launch to take attention off Navi.


Same as Vega 56/64 then with the undervolting etc. Makes sense since this is still Vega although on 7nm. I've been meaning to test out Kryonaught myself, still using MX4 here. Yea I'm torn between what to do, if I went Navi I would have to wait for a Sapphire nitro to launch because I can't be doing with blower fans regardless of what AMD claim about the new noise profile. But with Nvidia I could take a founders 2070 super as my 2060 founders was whisper quiet. For me it will literally boil down to which card launches 1st.
Edited by: "LazybeatX" 30th Jun
LazybeatX30/06/2019 22:43

Same as Vega 56/64 then with the undervolting etc. Makes sense since this …Same as Vega 56/64 then with the undervolting etc. Makes sense since this is still Vega although on 7nm. I've been meaning to test out Kryonaught myself, still using MX4 here. Yea I'm torn between what to do, it I went Navi I would have to wait for a Sapphire nitro to launch because I can't be doing with blower fans regardless of what AMD claim about the new noise profile. But with Nvidia I could take a founders 2070 super as my 2060 founders was shisper quiet. For me it will literally boil down to which card launches 1st.



Fair enough. Custome navi cards come around 5-6 weeks after launch. Despite being a blower it won't be particularly loud, but just wait for the reviews. Vega cards were pumped with more voltage than they really needed which only made their heat/power issue worse. Kryonaut is great, expensive for sure but I've used arctic and a few others for years and after kryonaut I just haven't gone back.

And the current x70 card is arguably the worst value aside from the 2080 Ti or 1650. Where as in the past the x70 cards were typically the sweet spot (970, 1070 for exaple) this one is just terrible. You're looking at around 15% more performance over a 2060 at a significantly higher price. 2070 Super will probably be near £500 which is just not a great price. Either grab a 2080 on a deal or an XT depending on the price/performance difference.

A 2080 at ~550 or less is a good buy. At 600 its debatable and at over 650 its just not great value.
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
3anana30/06/2019 22:49

Fair enough. Custome navi cards come around 5-6 weeks after launch. …Fair enough. Custome navi cards come around 5-6 weeks after launch. Despite being a blower it won't be particularly loud, but just wait for the reviews. Vega cards were pumped with more voltage than they really needed which only made their heat/power issue worse. Kryonaut is great, expensive for sure but I've used arctic and a few others for years and after kryonaut I just haven't gone back. And the current x70 card is arguably the worst value aside from the 2080 Ti or 1650. Where as in the past the x70 cards were typically the sweet spot (970, 1070 for exaple) this one is just terrible. You're looking at around 15% more performance over a 2060 at a significantly higher price. 2070 Super will probably be near £500 which is just not a great price. Either grab a 2080 on a deal or an XT depending on the price/performance difference. A 2080 at ~550 or less is a good buy. At 600 its debatable and at over 650 its just not great value.


Yea pricing is all over at the minute. I've even been looking at used 1080ti's on Ebay. Quite a few going for around the £400-£450 Mark lately.
LazybeatX30/06/2019 22:52

Yea pricing is all over at the minute. I've even been looking at used …Yea pricing is all over at the minute. I've even been looking at used 1080ti's on Ebay. Quite a few going for around the £400-£450 Mark lately.



1080 Ti for £400ish is great, but the warranty thing will always loom over your head unless its an EVGA card where someone has transferred warranty to you, or Gigabyte with an invoice or something like that.
Edited by: "3anana" 30th Jun
3anana30/06/2019 20:11

A fair point, the thing is AMD's resources are split between so many …A fair point, the thing is AMD's resources are split between so many things, where as NVIDIA can dedicate much more to their GPUs. That said with money from Ryzen and consoles coming in expect AMD GPUs to become better and better. This is just a first step. Navi is also very scalable and with it running on consoles and PC it makes AMD's job of R&D so much easier, as well as devs who don't have to worry about significant hardware differences between PC/console. in the end it its better for us consumers as we should get better quality games with less of a "port" feel. The rest of that tasks relies on the game developers themselves.As for efficiency, my undervolted R7 is not far off my Strix 2080. 7nm vs 12nm I know but vega is very power hungry architecturally. Another issue R7 has is thermal throttling which restricts performance quite a bit. As an architecture navi is much more efficient in its resource use which was more of a problem for GCN. Bigger Navi cards will come long towards the end of the year. As for the 5700 XT, it won't be far off R7, but with much less heat/power.


The last console release didn't help AMD cards become 'better and better'. If anything, they seemed to stagnate their mid to high end market.

There was no 'less of a port feel' either for the last gen, so why would we expect much difference now? I have no confidence in AMD magically fixing their GPU woes with Navi. I'll wait till they produce a card that is priced well and near the top end.

The R7 16GB certainly isn't that card though. At 599.89, this should be a hard pass for gamers. Content creators though, this is a good option. 16 GB of HBM2 is quite nice for many application driven workloads.
Edited by: "Nate1492" 30th Jun
Some guesstimates can be made. That said you should save your time with comments quoting me since I won't bother with those, primarily because you go into legitimatey good deal threads to derail the thread or talk nonsense.
3anana30/06/2019 22:55

1080 Ti for £400ish is great, but the warranty thing will always loom over …1080 Ti for £400ish is great, but the warranty thing will always loom over your head unless its an EVGA card where someone has transferred warranty to you, or Gigabyte with an invoice or something like that.


The cheapest 1080TI on eBay the seller writes this,"Only reason for sale is because I have upgraded to a 2080"... it is a lot of card for the money but i will always have this niggling suspicion in that if a keep an eye out i could get a newer/better card for (maybe only £150) not too much extra.
3anana30/06/2019 22:55

1080 Ti for £400ish is great, but the warranty thing will always loom over …1080 Ti for £400ish is great, but the warranty thing will always loom over your head unless its an EVGA card where someone has transferred warranty to you, or Gigabyte with an invoice or something like that.


You don't need to transfer any warranty to anyone, the new buyer goes on the EVGA site and you register as the current owner....
chapchap30/06/2019 23:22

The cheapest 1080TI on eBay the seller writes this,"Only reason for sale …The cheapest 1080TI on eBay the seller writes this,"Only reason for sale is because I have upgraded to a 2080"... it is a lot of card for the money but i will always have this niggling suspicion in that if a keep an eye out i could get a newer/better card for (maybe only £150) not too much extra.


But that's the thing.. is it worth it to pay £150+ for what amounts to around 5% more performance most of the time? Not really. You'd be better off with that 1080 Ti, skipping the current generation and waiting for what comes after. Ultimately once that next gen hits the 2080 will depreciate so much harder.

Just.Wondering30/06/2019 23:26

You don't need to transfer any warranty to anyone, the new buyer goes on …You don't need to transfer any warranty to anyone, the new buyer goes on the EVGA site and you register as the current owner....


Ah okay, haven't had an EVGA card long term in many years.
3anana30/06/2019 23:39

But that's the thing.. is it worth it to pay £150+ for what amounts to …But that's the thing.. is it worth it to pay £150+ for what amounts to around 5% more performance most of the time? Not really. You'd be better off with that 1080 Ti, skipping the current generation and waiting for what comes after. Ultimately once that next gen hits the 2080 will depreciate so much harder.Ah okay, haven't had an EVGA card long term in many years.


Food for thought but..EVGA are more expensive (150 more) so more like 550 if I want a warrenty or a cheapie 1080Ti mini for 400* But I get what you mean though. If in a sale I can get a 2080 Super for 600 or less then that has a lot going for it

* that card has gone anyway so 450 and upwards for a used 1080Ti
Edited by: "chapchap" 1st Jul
imho it should of released at £599, would of sold way more
I sometimes wonder if AMD and Nvida have behind closed doors meeting to make sure there is no consumer price competition in the video card market because it sure looks that way. lol
XP20001/07/2019 06:45

I sometimes wonder if AMD and Nvida have behind closed doors meeting to …I sometimes wonder if AMD and Nvida have behind closed doors meeting to make sure there is no consumer price competition in the video card market because it sure looks that way. lol


That’s called price fixing, and you can be sure that is very very unlikely.
3anana30/06/2019 16:58

As an owner of one of these i say just hold out 1 more week for 5700 XT.


5700XT performs like GTX 1070Ti, 1080, RTX 2060. Radeon VII is 5% under a 1080Ti. The Radeon VII and 5700XT are in different performance categories.
3anana30/06/2019 22:49

Fair enough. Custome navi cards come around 5-6 weeks after launch. …Fair enough. Custome navi cards come around 5-6 weeks after launch. Despite being a blower it won't be particularly loud, but just wait for the reviews. Vega cards were pumped with more voltage than they really needed which only made their heat/power issue worse. Kryonaut is great, expensive for sure but I've used arctic and a few others for years and after kryonaut I just haven't gone back. And the current x70 card is arguably the worst value aside from the 2080 Ti or 1650. Where as in the past the x70 cards were typically the sweet spot (970, 1070 for exaple) this one is just terrible. You're looking at around 15% more performance over a 2060 at a significantly higher price. 2070 Super will probably be near £500 which is just not a great price. Either grab a 2080 on a deal or an XT depending on the price/performance difference. A 2080 at ~550 or less is a good buy. At 600 its debatable and at over 650 its just not great value.


Yep, leaked specs of the 2060 Super look like that might be the new sweet spot, substantial boost over the 2060.
LazybeatX30/06/2019 22:52

Yea pricing is all over at the minute. I've even been looking at used …Yea pricing is all over at the minute. I've even been looking at used 1080ti's on Ebay. Quite a few going for around the £400-£450 Mark lately.


Indeed. I bought a used Gamerock 1080Ti on eBay for £450 this time last year. Lack of competition in the market has kept prices steady. 2070 Super won't be far off a 1080 Ti in price and performance.
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