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powercolor red devil rx480 8gb graphics card AMD £209.99 @ Amazon
powercolor red devil rx480 8gb graphics card AMD £209.99 @ Amazon

powercolor red devil rx480 8gb graphics card AMD £209.99 @ Amazon

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Seems to be a very good price, matched to overclockers.com's price, but with delivery included.
Very good card for the price.

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This thing has an absolutely enormous board and cooler on it. It's kind of ludicrous for this level of power consumption. Which I suppose can either be a good or bad thing for your requirements. Quiet for sure but massive, at least you know. It's one of the best chances at getting a decent overclock from an RX 480.

Powercolor's warranty/RMA process is not so hot. Probably won't matter though.

I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the refund on the difference...I seem to remember it was 7days....

i think they only do it for TV`s now not 100% on that

churito

I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the … I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the refund on the difference...I seem to remember it was 7days....



Unfortunately they haven't done that for quite some time. By all means enquire, you may get lucky as Amazon customer service staff can suprise you alot of the time
Edited by: "eiamhere69" 13th Feb

Looks good, almost wish I'd held off on the 4gb.

churito

I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the … I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the refund on the difference...I seem to remember it was 7days....


Nope they are an utter pain in a the a$$ these days. You'll have to do a full return and then buy again. Completely stupid as it'll cost amazon more money by doing so but that is their new policy.

davidfwalsh

Nope they are an utter pain in a the a$$ these days. You'll have to do a … Nope they are an utter pain in a the a$$ these days. You'll have to do a full return and then buy again. Completely stupid as it'll cost amazon more money by doing so but that is their new policy.



It probably won't as many don't want to return the item first then wait for the replacement (or afford to buy a second one until they get a refund on the first).

churito

I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the … I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the refund on the difference...I seem to remember it was 7days....



Afraid not, they released a statement about this in the summer saying they're stopping it completely.

So i did some research and apparently this has the worst pcb of all the rx480.

churito

I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the … I just purchased this on the 9th from amazon....do they still do the refund on the difference...I seem to remember it was 7days....



Send back and purchase again

vulcanproject

Powercolor's warranty/RMA process is not so hot. Probably won't matter … Powercolor's warranty/RMA process is not so hot. Probably won't matter though.



Could be worse, could be ASUS.

TheKaledan

So i did some research and apparently this has the worst pcb of all the … So i did some research and apparently this has the worst pcb of all the rx480.



How so? It's one of the very few RX 480 cards that I have seen achieve a decent overclock. They are all weak overclockers. This one did alright although a lot is probably owed to the massive cooler.

CHAOSEN3

Afraid not, they released a statement about this in the summer saying … Afraid not, they released a statement about this in the summer saying they're stopping it completely.



I got a £20 refund after buying a amazon echo before Christmas they had no problems refunding me so don't think they have stopped it completely.

AMD... hot

TheKaledan

So i did some research and apparently this has the worst pcb of all the … So i did some research and apparently this has the worst pcb of all the rx480.


what is the best for OC?

vulcanproject

How so? It's one of the very few RX 480 cards that I have seen achieve a … How so? It's one of the very few RX 480 cards that I have seen achieve a decent overclock. They are all weak overclockers. This one did alright although a lot is probably owed to the massive cooler.



Not all, this one/Strix/XFX GTR all overclock pretty nicely.

hardocp.com/art…w/4

The Strix gained 11% in BF1 which is pretty acceptable for any card.

The_Hoff

Not all, this one/Strix/XFX GTR all overclock pretty … Not all, this one/Strix/XFX GTR all overclock pretty nicely.http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/12/19/asus_rog_strix_rx_480_o8g_gaming_video_card_review/4The Strix gained 11% in BF1 which is pretty acceptable for any card.



The Strix is like the most expensive and best version though also with an enormous PCB, 6 power phases, the very highest end caps, and largest 3 fan cooler style. What are they, like £260??

So less than 11 percent over RX480 reference speed isn't a lot for all those things if that is the very best any RX 480 can do, as your link indicates. It's fairly clear RX 480 has minimal OC headroom.

vulcanproject

The Strix is like the most expensive and best version though also with an … The Strix is like the most expensive and best version though also with an enormous PCB, 6 power phases, the very highest end caps, and largest 3 fan cooler style. What are they, like £260??So less than 11 percent over RX480 reference speed isn't a lot for all those things if that is the very best any RX 480 can do, as your link indicates. It's fairly clear RX 480 has minimal OC headroom.



You said all 480 were weak overclockers, I just listed a bunch that weren't. 11% frame rate increase is pretty good. It's in the same ball park size wise as this card and all the other 3 fan cards which facilitate decent clocking.

Bare in mind this is OCed out of the box so we're talking about an additional OC. It is more than 11% over reference.

They don't OC as well as Nvidia typically, but clock frequency isn't everything.

Edited by: "The_Hoff" 13th Feb

The_Hoff

You said all 480 were weak overclockers, I just listed a bunch that … You said all 480 were weak overclockers, I just listed a bunch that weren't. 11% frame rate increase is pretty good. It's in the same ball park size wise as this card and all the other 3 fan cards which facilitate decent clocking.Bare in mind this is OCed out of the box so we're talking about an additional OC. It is more than 11% over reference.They don't OC as well as Nvidia typically, but clock frequency isn't everything.



11 percent is poor. I would consider 11 percent a weak overclock when it's the absolute top end for the best and most expensive boards. Average boards obviously don't manage that. Most end up with less than 10 percent.

Average GTX1060 boards do 20 percent comfortably. Very top end ones do in excess of 25 percent.

Clocks aren't everything. In this case they are a big deal. If your performance lead is about 5 percent in a handful of games because you pushed your architecture's reference clocks to the limit then an extra 15-20 percent OC on your competitor that blatantly has more headroom makes quite a difference to results unsurprisingly....

vulcanproject

11 percent is poor. I would consider 11 percent a weak overclock when … 11 percent is poor. I would consider 11 percent a weak overclock when it's the absolute top end for the best and most expensive boards. Average boards obviously don't manage that. Most end up with less than 10 percent.Average GTX1060 boards do 20 percent comfortably. Very top end ones do in excess of 25 percent. Clocks aren't everything. In this case they are a big deal. If your performance lead is about 5 percent in a handful of games because you pushed your architecture's reference clocks to the limit then an extra 15-20 percent OC on your competitor that blatantly has more headroom makes quite a difference to results unsurprisingly....



Oh right, so that's why the same STRIX 1060 achieved a OC of 7.5%, which in your own words is a top of the line card:
hardocp.com/art…w/4

That massive 152mhz (7.5%) overclock gained the 1060 5FPS:
hardocp.com/art…w/7

The 480, overclocked 100mhz (7%) overclock gained the 480 6FPS:
hardocp.com/art…w/7

So, like I said, clock speed (MHz) does not equate to linear FPS increase, the architecture is completely different and is much more important. Unsurprisingly....

youtube.com/wat…QKU

Whiffy post debunked.
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 14th Feb

The_Hoff

Oh right, so that's why the same STRIX 1060 achieved a OC of 7.5%, which … Oh right, so that's why the same STRIX 1060 achieved a OC of 7.5%, which in your own words is a top of the line card:http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/01/asus_strix_gtx_1060_o6g_gaming_video_card_review/4That massive 152mhz (7.5%) overclock gained the 1060 5FPS:http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/01/asus_strix_gtx_1060_o6g_gaming_video_card_review/7The 480, overclocked 100mhz (7%) overclock gained the 480 6FPS:http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/12/19/asus_rog_strix_rx_480_o8g_gaming_video_card_review/7So, like I said, clock speed (MHz) does not equate to linear FPS increase, the architecture is completely different and is much more important. Unsurprisingly....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiYQqNiqQKUWhiffy post debunked.




Debunked? Not even close. You are comparing the gain by already pre overclocker cards which is obviously flawed.

But otherwise nice test! You totally reinforced my point with it, thanks very much!

The overclocked GTX1060 lays the absolute smack down on the overclocked RX480. Your main problem is the GTX1060 actually wins every single test barring the vulkan one when it's overclocked doesn't it?

Lol pretty much as I said. Even in an AMD sponsored title like Deus Ex the GTX1060 overclocked wins! Incredibly the gap in vulkan is also reduced to next to nothing just a few percentage points.

Ultimately GTX1060 is a faster card than the RX480.

What happened is that AMD set their reference clocks much closer to the limit of their architecture than Nvidia did.

Nvidia mainly do this to allow AIB partners to distinguish themselves and create several different models of cards.

Partners like this. They also make a lot more money on the GTX1060 as profit margins are a lot higher. It's die is quite a lot smaller and cheaper and efficient compared to the RX480. It also requires less memory chips, but sells for a similar price.

Obviously this is besides the point but I know how you like interesting information

vulcanproject

Debunked? Not even close. You are comparing the gain by already pre … Debunked? Not even close. You are comparing the gain by already pre overclocker cards which is obviously flawed. But otherwise nice test! You totally reinforced my point with it, thanks very much!The overclocked GTX1060 lays the absolute smack down on the overclocked RX480. Your main problem is the GTX1060 actually wins every single test barring the vulkan one when it's overclocked doesn't it?Lol pretty much as I said. Even in an AMD sponsored title like Deus Ex the GTX1060 overclocked wins! Incredibly the gap in vulkan is also reduced to next to nothing just a few percentage points. Ultimately GTX1060 is a faster card than the RX480. What happened is that AMD set their reference clocks much closer to the limit of their architecture than Nvidia did. Nvidia mainly do this to allow AIB partners to distinguish themselves and create several different models of cards. Partners like this. They also make a lot more money on the GTX1060 as profit margins are a lot higher. It's die is quite a lot smaller and cheaper and efficient compared to the RX480. It also requires less memory chips, but sells for a similar price.Obviously this is besides the point but I know how you like interesting information



You said they OC 15-20%, they OCed the same 1060/480 with 7% and the 480 made better relative gains with less mhz OC. You were wrong, again.

You live in a fantastical world of alternative truths, try again: Click

And just in case you somehow miss that, here's a capture showing they're split down the middle... regardless of your trolling:

http://i.imgur.com/eAYNjmZ.jpg


Edited by: "The_Hoff" 14th Feb

The_Hoff

You said they OC 15-20%, they OCed the same 1060/480 with 7% and the 480 … You said they OC 15-20%, they OCed the same 1060/480 with 7% and the 480 made better relative gains with less mhz OC. You were wrong, again.You live in a fantastical world of alternative truths, try again: ClickAnd just in case you somehow miss that, here's a capture showing they're split down the middle... regardless of your trolling:



All you need to do is go back to your first link to the Hard OCP test where they pitted a max OC 480 against a max OC 1060.

The 1060 won every single test except the one with AMD's own API and it lost by like 3 percent. Read it. The 1060 OC dominated as I predicted.

Which bit of this aren't you getting with your terribly pointless graphs?

vulcanproject

All you need to do is go back to your first link to the Hard OCP test … All you need to do is go back to your first link to the Hard OCP test where they pitted a max OC 480 against a max OC 1060.The 1060 won every single test except the one with AMD's own API and it lost by like 3 percent. Read it. The 1060 OC dominated as I predicted. Which bit of this aren't you getting with your terribly pointless graphs?



You're so wound lol, there's some hints with the blue bars... click the link in the video I linked, the reviewer makes a nice summary. There's nothing between them, you're just another troll.

The_Hoff

You're so wound lol, there's some hints with the blue bars... click the … You're so wound lol, there's some hints with the blue bars... click the link in the video I linked, the reviewer makes a nice summary. There's nothing between them, you're just another troll.




Ultimately when overclocked to their maximum GTX1060 wins. It's a faster card in that sense.

You might want to read your own evidence that proves me correct on the main point of my discussion. 1060 is such a better overclocker it wins when these cards are overclocked....

Read it! Read your own links. I can list the percentage wins here if you like from your own link.

vulcanproject

Ultimately when overclocked to their maximum GTX1060 wins. It's a faster … Ultimately when overclocked to their maximum GTX1060 wins. It's a faster card in that sense. You might want to read your own evidence that proves me correct on the main point of my discussion. 1060 is such a better overclocker it wins when these cards are overclocked....Read it! Read your own links. I can list the percentage wins here if you like from your own link.



I just posted a link, it shows plenty. The Nvidia OC's typically better (I posted that myself, post #18) but as I said and have demonstrated with frames gained, it doesn't equate to linear performance increases. I'd sooner back the card with the DX12 performance.

End of story.
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 14th Feb

The_Hoff

I just posted a link, it shows plenty. The Nvidia OC's typically better … I just posted a link, it shows plenty. The Nvidia OC's typically better (I posted that myself, post #18) but as I said and have demonstrated with frames gained, it doesn't equate to linear performance increases. I'd sooner back the card with the DX12 performance.End of story.



This was your link:
hardocp.com/art…w/4

It pits a max overclocked GTX1060 against a max OC RX 480.

The OC GTX1060 won by 14 percent, 4 percent, 3.5 percent, 9 percent, 11 percent and 10 percent.

It won in Deus Ex AND Battlefield 1 which are both AMD titles.

The only game it lost on was in AMD's very own API vulkan, in their most favoured game of all. The GTX1060 lost by just 3 percent!

I'll quote you the conclusion of YOUR link:

"When we look at both video cards overclocked to the max there is a clear trend. The ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1060 O6G GAMING starts to outperform the ASUS ROG STRIX RX 480 O8G GAMING in almost every game, sometimes by a sizable margin. Overclocking the ASUS ROG STRIX RX 480 O8G GAMING has helped it to be competitive, but it seems that the OVERCLOCKING POTENTIAL OF THE GeForce GTX 1060 GPU SIMPLY OVERTAKES THE RX 480"

If you're going to start an argument and want to win it then maybe don't post a link yourself that proves me absolutely unequivocally correct.

http://replygif.net/i/1126.gif

vulcanproject

This was your … This was your link:http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/01/asus_strix_gtx_1060_o6g_gaming_video_card_review/4It pits a max overclocked GTX1060 against a max OC RX 480.The OC GTX1060 won by 14 percent, 4 percent, 3.5 percent, 9 percent, 11 percent and 10 percent.It won in Deus Ex AND Battlefield 1 which are both AMD titles.The only game it lost on was in AMD's very own API vulkan, in their most favoured game of all. The GTX1060 lost by just 3 percent!I'll quote you the conclusion of YOUR link:"When we look at both video cards overclocked to the max there is a clear trend. The ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1060 O6G GAMING starts to outperform the ASUS ROG STRIX RX 480 O8G GAMING in almost every game, sometimes by a sizable margin. Overclocking the ASUS ROG STRIX RX 480 O8G GAMING has helped it to be competitive, but it seems that the OVERCLOCKING POTENTIAL OF THE GeForce GTX 1060 GPU SIMPLY OVERTAKES THE RX 480"If you're going to start an argument and want to win it then maybe don't post a link yourself that proves me absolutely unequivocally correct.



It's funny you believe you're correct when you been proven wrong on numerous occasions throughout this thread.

Here, have some more evidence of how wrong you are:

hardwarecanucks.com/for…tml

Oh, a review from yesterday also:
guru3d.com/art…tml

What's that? Poor drivers and DX12 support? Told you so.

The_Hoff

It's funny you believe you're correct when you been proven wrong on … It's funny you believe you're correct when you been proven wrong on numerous occasions throughout this thread.Here, have some more evidence of how wrong you are:http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/73945-gtx-1060-vs-rx-480-updated-review-23.htmlOh, a review from yesterday also:http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/sniper-elite-4-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,1.htmlWhat's that? Poor drivers and DX12 support? Told you so.



Do any of those links show a max overclocking head to head?

That'll be a no.

Max OC V max OC is the link you first posted.

GTX1060 beats up the AMD card when that happens.
but it seems that the OVERCLOCKING POTENTIAL OF THE GTX 1060 GPU SIMPLY OVERTAKES THE RX 480

This is what we were discussing.

When overclocked the GTX1060 wins against the RX 480 pretty much constantly. Even in AMD titles. Even in DX12. It destroys it in conditions not favourable to AMD.

It's a faster card when you overclock it.

You posting random benchmarks unrelated to this point I made is desperation


I used YOUR link. It was YOUR benchmarks that proved me correct. Acknowledge it you silly fan boy.

You are merely spamming links now as a smokescreen.

Nice try though. But pathetic.

Edited by: "vulcanproject" 15th Feb

What's that, proven wrong time and time again? Cry.

The_Hoff

What's that, proven wrong time and time again? Cry.



Haha I just love your link though it is the gift that keeps in giving and one you can't deny as YOU posted it.

hardocp.com/art…w/4

http://images.hardocp.com/images/articles/14825822190hbGze5NJ0_12_1.png

This also shows how poor RX480 is at overclocking and why the Nvidia card wins when you push them.

AMD's architecture is horribly inefficient at higher clocks and that is why you cant exceed 10 percent in most of them.

Look at the power consumption when it has been OCed just 11 percent! Jesus. The GTX1060 with more than 25 percent overclock still have manageable power and heat but the RX480 goes absolutely bonkers.

380 watts! 120+ MORE than an nvidia card running faster and beating it in benchmarks! Fecking hell mate.

Nvidia is faster but still runs with far less power and heat.

Any comment? No?

It's good you've caved, I'll accept your concession.

But you should know the limits set by AMD have nothing to do with the architecture or limits of the chip, their BIOS is set very conservatively to ensure you don't fry your card when OCing it, because yes, they use more wattage and generate more heat (shock horror). If you'd like to know what the actual limits of the cards are when fed the correct voltage with an unlocked ROM, you'll learn something here:

youtube.com/wat…168

Posting a link to one comparison is excellent, I applaud you, I'm sure for those cards the results were accurate, but as I know you're not an idiot you'll appreciate the lottery. That's why you cannot guarantee anything other than stock results and why I've also posted 3/4/5 links highlighting that the 480 is a stronger card, particularly in DX12 and at higher resolutions.

The 1060 is gimped, no SLI, g-sync doesn't make sense at its price point. It's like the 970 debacle all over again.

The_Hoff

It's good you've caved, I'll accept your concession.But you should know … It's good you've caved, I'll accept your concession.But you should know the limits set by AMD have nothing to do with the architecture or limits of the chip, their BIOS is set very conservatively to ensure you don't fry your card when OCing it, because yes, they use more wattage and generate more heat (shock horror). If you'd like to know what the actual limits of the cards are when fed the correct voltage with an unlocked ROM, you'll learn something here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lw5Yryb168Posting a link to one comparison is excellent, I applaud you, I'm sure for those cards the results were accurate, but as I know you're not an idiot you'll appreciate the lottery. That's why you cannot guarantee anything other than stock results and why I've also posted 3/4/5 links highlighting that the 480 is a stronger card, particularly in DX12 and at higher resolutions.The 1060 is gimped, no SLI, g-sync doesn't make sense at its price point. It's like the 970 debacle all over again.



Nice useless youtube link there to ONE model of card running at maximum fan speed constantly, with enormous overvoltage that invalidates your warranty, pushing ridiculous heat and power. Which nobody would ever use for gaming. Newsflash, you can do that on GTX1060 too and get over 2200mhz boost. Irrelevant for 99.9999 percent of users.

So what you're saying is YOU started an argument about overclocking, lost it because YOU posted a link showing the GTX1060 taking RX 480 to the cleaners when overclocked, and are now ranting on about everything else to avoid the comedic situation you find yourself in.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

This is very fanboyish. You know that I had multiple inboxes from other members warning about you being a massive fanboy and not admitting even when cornered and proven totally wrong? That was the first one actually.

Not cool man, when other members complain about you and warn me.

Did the GTX1060 beat the RX 480 in the link you posted when both are max overclocked? Your very own Hard OCP link, Did the GTX1060 win while using a lot less power? Yes or no?

The_Hoff

Oh right, so that's why the same STRIX 1060 achieved a OC of 7.5%, which … Oh right, so that's why the same STRIX 1060 achieved a OC of 7.5%, which in your own words is a top of the line card:http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/01/asus_strix_gtx_1060_o6g_gaming_video_card_review/4



Does this post even exist in your mind or have you forgotten it?

The one where the 480 OC'ed to the same % as the 1060 and made a better gain in FPS? Yeah it exists.

You've been wrong throughout this whole thread and posting .gifs doesn't gloss over that simple fact.

Shall I post some more benchmarks for you?

So the upshot is if you don't plan on overclocking get the cheaper card?

tek-monkey

So the upshot is if you don't plan on overclocking get the cheaper card?



Exactly, even if you do OC there's some good gains to be made. The 480 is increasingly in the lead anyway (particularly in DX12) there's not a great need to.

The 1060 performs like a 470 in some of those titles oO

http://i.imgur.com/833O69y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BEx4cMV.jpg

Hahaha 470 4GB > 1060 6GB... Those Nvidia drivers sure are sweet.
Edited by: "The_Hoff" 15th Feb

Mine isn't overclocked, gone are the days I could be bothered with all that. I'm happy with the price/performance I'm getting with a 480 4Gb at £170.

The_Hoff

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/01/asus_strix_gtx_1060_o6g_gaming_video_card_review/7.



Both cards max overclocked, which wins while using a lot less power in your link? GTX1060 wins every test except one correct? Yes or no?

tek-monkey

So the upshot is if you don't plan on overclocking get the cheaper card?



Well Nvidia currently have a 70 percent overall share of the discrete market.

On Steam for example, GTX1060 makes up 3.37 percent of their detected GPUs, RX480 just 0.77 percent.

I think most people choose Nvidia because of the consistency in performance, driver support and typical stability. Superior software ecosystem with the extra individual game features (gameworks etc), often lower power/less heat and greater overclocking prowess, much larger community and wider industry acceptance for hardware and software standards.

Usually they sell for more money when you trade them in and offer better backwards compatibility because of the above. Legacy support is vastly superior for Nvidia. They are also superior when paired with less than high end CPUs, a large share of the market in itself. Not to mention Nvidia's support of non windows is leagues ahead of AMD, the millions of Linux users out there plump for Nvidia.

The other 30 percent currently choose AMD mainly for budgetary concerns I would say. AMD cards can have slightly more basic performance for about the same money. Currently the argument is about DX12, where the RX 480 at it's base clocks is faster in about half a dozen DX12 titles out of a few thousand recent DX11/DX12 games.

The advantages however are not in every DX12 game, nearly all of them lie in AMD paying developers to build a handful of games specifically for their architecture (e.g Hitman). Generally a lot more developers work with Nvidia hardware and favour it. It's the industry default.

Nvidia makes up the difference with their advantages mentioned above and by typically partners selling boards with out of the box overclocks. Most cards sold are with custom coolers and some form of pre-overclock. I think most people accept that you pay a premium for a premium product and Nvidia usually offer the fastest cards available.

Which would explain their market share I guess.

Wow!!! An Nvidia fanboy marketing for nvidia......nothing new.

vulcanproject

Well Nvidia currently have a 70 percent overall share of the discrete … Well Nvidia currently have a 70 percent overall share of the discrete market.


It’s a duopoly big clap to Nvidia, overcharging for tech that will be outdated in a year.
vulcanproject

On Steam for example, GTX1060 makes up 3.37 percent of their detected … On Steam for example, GTX1060 makes up 3.37 percent of their detected GPUs, RX480 just 0.77 percent.


Something called marketing which AMD are not good at. We have NVidia getting free marketing from the likes of you.
vulcanproject

I think most people choose Nvidia because of the consistency in … I think most people choose Nvidia because of the consistency in performance, driver support and typical stability. Superior software ecosystem with the extra individual game features (gameworks etc), often lower power/less heat and greater overclocking prowess, much larger community and wider industry acceptance for hardware and software standards.


Just by this statement you never had a AMD card, I’m still on a 7970 no problems here. Driver support is basically the same from both vendors. You have equivalent features e.g. AMD Relive and Nvidia Shadowplay.
Gameworks is not a feature, it Is a closed source API not good for industry standards. No one can tell if Nvidia are deliberately sabotaging the competition. Bear in mind AMD has an open equivalent call GPU Open.
vulcanproject

Usually they sell for more money when you trade them in and offer better … Usually they sell for more money when you trade them in and offer better backwards compatibility because of the above. Legacy support is vastly superior for Nvidia. They are also superior when paired with less than high end CPUs, a large share of the market in itself. Not to mention Nvidia's support of non windows is leagues ahead of AMD, the millions of Linux users out there plump for Nvidia.


Linux support is starting to get better on AMD, google phoronix for reviews.
vulcanproject

The other 30 percent currently choose AMD mainly for budgetary concerns I … The other 30 percent currently choose AMD mainly for budgetary concerns I would say. AMD cards can have slightly more basic performance for about the same money. Currently the argument is about DX12, where the RX 480 at it's base clocks is faster in about half a dozen DX12 titles out of a few thousand recent DX11/DX12 games. The advantages however are not in every DX12 game, nearly all of them lie in AMD paying developers to build a handful of games specifically for their architecture (e.g Hitman). Generally a lot more developers work with Nvidia hardware and favour it. It's the industry default.


“industry default” this is funny; I think you’ve been living in a cave or Nvidia Marketing may have brainwashed you. Have you ever heard of XBOX One and PS4……both contain AMD GPUs’.
The main reason for DX12/Vulkan exists is so PC games can benefit the same efficient coding as consoles, trying to remove the driver middleman and use the full power of our GPU e.g “asynchronous compute”, which Nvidia cards do not have until “Volta”. During its infancy you may have known DX12/Vulkan to be called “Mantle”.
vulcanproject

Nvidia makes up the difference with their advantages mentioned above and … Nvidia makes up the difference with their advantages mentioned above and by typically partners selling boards with out of the box overclocks. Most cards sold are with custom coolers and some form of pre-overclock. I think most people accept that you pay a premium for a premium product and Nvidia usually offer the fastest cards available.


It’s a duopoly, basically the 1070 should have been priced where the rx480 and 1060 sit. But due to no competition in that segment we are forced to pay a premium…..

vulcanproject

Well Nvidia currently have a 70 percent overall share of the discrete … Well Nvidia currently have a 70 percent overall share of the discrete market.

vulcanproject

On Steam for example, GTX1060 makes up 3.37 percent of their detected … On Steam for example, GTX1060 makes up 3.37 percent of their detected GPUs, RX480 just 0.77 percent.

vulcanproject

I think most people choose Nvidia because of the consistency in … I think most people choose Nvidia because of the consistency in performance, driver support and typical stability. Superior software ecosystem with the extra individual game features (gameworks etc), often lower power/less heat and greater overclocking prowess, much larger community and wider industry acceptance for hardware and software standards.

vulcanproject

Usually they sell for more money when you trade them in and offer … Usually they sell for more money when you trade them in and offer better backwards compatibility because of the above. Legacy support is vastly superior for Nvidia. They are also superior when paired with less than high end CPUs, a large share of the market in itself. Not to mention Nvidia's support of non windows is leagues ahead of AMD, the millions of Linux users out there plump for Nvidia.

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The other 30 percent currently choose AMD mainly for budgetary concerns … The other 30 percent currently choose AMD mainly for budgetary concerns I would say. AMD cards can have slightly more basic performance for about the same money. Currently the argument is about DX12, where the RX 480 at it's base clocks is faster in about half a dozen DX12 titles out of a few thousand recent DX11/DX12 games. The advantages however are not in every DX12 game, nearly all of them lie in AMD paying developers to build a handful of games specifically for their architecture (e.g Hitman). Generally a lot more developers work with Nvidia hardware and favour it. It's the industry default.

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Nvidia makes up the difference with their advantages mentioned above … Nvidia makes up the difference with their advantages mentioned above and by typically partners selling boards with out of the box overclocks. Most cards sold are with custom coolers and some form of pre-overclock. I think most people accept that you pay a premium for a premium product and Nvidia usually offer the fastest cards available.



You have many problems. Are you blaming Nvidia for the lack of competition at the high end from AMD? Are you blaming them for AMD's inability to market their products according to you? Hmm. You might want to think for a second whose fault those problems might be addressed to, but it probably isn't Nvidia. It comes across as whining.

Linux support is still extremely weak. Here are Phoronix benches you requested. AMD cards as is typical are mind bogglingly inconsistent and slow. Nvidia's drivers are blatantly better here.

Of course gameworks is a feature. AMD are free to compete with Nvidia's developer features. You claim Nvidia don't have an industry wide edge and then say gameworks isn't fair. This is contradictory!

You cannot blame Nvidia for having a better software environment and support industry wide. Of course it exists. If you know anything about game development industry on PC you know it does. You deny it exists, but inside the industry it is well known and accepted. Hence you see comments from industry giants like this: https://anonimag.es/i/Untitled4c436.png

Those consoles have AMD parts to keep costs as low as possible. Consoles are compromised pieces of hardware, as their hardware is a slave to profit margin. APUs are the very archetype of that. AMD are the only company that could deliver the required graphics performance AND an x86 processor on the same die, for the cost the console manufacturers demand.

Intel do not make discrete graphics, Nvidia cannot make x86 processors. AMD got the contract by just showing interest. It seems there wasn't much enthusiasm on the part of anyone else this generation as the margins are usually very very low for volume console parts as I pointed out.

The oddest thing is the early windows based PC devkits of Xbox One were powered by Nvidia graphics cards despite everyone knowing they were going to be AMD based machines at this point. Think why. The industry preference is still Nvidia.

Anything else you want me to explain to you?
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