QNAP TVS-471 NAS Box £686 @ Amazon
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QNAP TVS-471 NAS Box £686 @ Amazon

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Found 19th Nov 2015
had my eye on this for a while, looks like it's the lowest it's been according to camelcamelcamel. Meant to be a good bit of kit if you're a home NAS power user... or interested in Plex transcoding! many NAS devices don't have the grunt to transcode full media.

doesn't include drives.
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that's a lot of dosh for a NAS without drives... Wouldn't an HP microserver offer a more flexible approach and more importantly cheaper solution. Can't bring myself to vote hot even if it is the cheapest price, sorry

or even a Dell T20 for £240, forsaking the removable drive bays
Edited by: "ramtec" 19th Nov 2015
You could make a beast of a freenas for that price.
Good price for the product, just not the route I would use for a plex server.
If the hot swap part is important to you, a Silverstone DS380B 8 Bay NAS Chassis could be used as the case

Edited by: "ElPansio" 19th Nov 2015
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yeah you could do the freenas or microserver thing but my days of tinkering are over so the price is worth it [for me] in my case because it also does virtual machines it's to replace a HTPC + desktop machine + ageing NAS so it *should* work out good value from my point of view.
I had the QNAP TS-451 for a week and sent it back. It was useless at transcoding, the CPU just maxed out all the time.... Hated it to be honest.

I ended up buying a bargain Dell server i'd seen on here and it's does everything I need it to do flawlessly. - hotukdeals.com/dea…497
Edited by: "stealth00" 19th Nov 2015
LuKeNuKuM

yeah you could do the freenas or microserver thing but my days of … yeah you could do the freenas or microserver thing but my days of tinkering are over so the price is worth it [for me] in my case because it also does virtual machines it's to replace a HTPC + desktop machine + ageing NAS so it *should* work out good value from my point of view.



Obviously the one you're looking at is higher spec but the mine really struggled with VM's also. I'd loaded it with 16GB or ram but CPU was the weakest link I think.
Edited by: "stealth00" 19th Nov 2015
Stuff like this is wasted on the masses which is always a shame. Better off posting tinned food sometimes.
stealth00

I had the QNAP TS-451 for a week and sent it back. It was useless at … I had the QNAP TS-451 for a week and sent it back. It was useless at transcoding, the CPU just maxed out all the time.... Hated it to be honest. I ended up buying a bargain Dell server i'd seen on here and it's does everything I need it to do flawlessly. - http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-poweredge-t20-tower-server-xeon-e3-v3-244-89-174-89-after-cashback-serverplus-2303497



You purchased the wrong qnap. Should have gone with the 453 pro. It would have done all you need.

OP, i agree this 471 is a lovely piece of kit. Heat
Cold from me, these are massively overpriced for a box with no drives.
For similar money you can get a Synology with 4x4TB drives...
Alternatively buy a HP microserver and a bunch of drives and turn it into a NetApp Filer - install VMware and get hold of a copy of the NetApp Data ONTAP simulator and load it in a VM, present the disks to the VM and add all the storage to the simulator.
stephenr

You purchased the wrong qnap. Should have gone with the 453 pro. It would … You purchased the wrong qnap. Should have gone with the 453 pro. It would have done all you need. OP, i agree this 471 is a lovely piece of kit. Heat




Maybe, it does have a quad core Celeron vs dual core.... Still, don't regret ditching it.
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ahh well! it was worth a shot! i did post some onions a few years back, they went hot :-) this one for me is about consolidation, simplification and a bit of future-proofing at the best price of the kit i believe ticks all the boxes... i'll never find time to set up a server but yes, that would be a cheaper solution.

when it arrives i'll see how it goes and post back on ease of use / performance...
Im interested in this . How many VM's were you running? what were they doing.
I am thing of having a single win xp VM just running itunes for home/computer sharing .
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GPDawes

Im interested in this . How many VM's were you running? what were they … Im interested in this . How many VM's were you running? what were they doing.I am thing of having a single win xp VM just running itunes for home/computer sharing .



i don't think you'd be able to run many VMs at once as it's only an i3 processor... although i guess it depends what the machines are doing, you could probably run a couple of linux boxes no problem which would be useful for development. like you i plan to run a single windows machine assigning 2gb ram which would just be a bit of a work-horse for this that an the other...

however, if it's just for itunes - i think you'd not need the virtual machine as the QNAP has that functionality available to it directly: qnap.com/i/u…=55 and as for sharing, you'd just use the NAS in it's default guise.

Thanks i was originally looking at the cheaper version. I am now looking at this i3 version.
The forked-daapd project and inbuilt itunes apps for servers like Synology NAS and QNAP only support the remote app, They don't integrate to Itunes. (Apple being Apple and not supporting DLNA in ITunes) . Only way to get an iphone or ipad to work with apples music app on a NAS natively is to use computer sharing with a pc left running itunes. Hence my need for something like this.

Itunes on a mac will work the apps you mention.

LuKeNuKuM

i don't think you'd be able to run many VMs at once as it's only an i3 … i don't think you'd be able to run many VMs at once as it's only an i3 processor... although i guess it depends what the machines are doing, you could probably run a couple of linux boxes no problem which would be useful for development. like you i plan to run a single windows machine assigning 2gb ram which would just be a bit of a work-horse for this that an the other...however, if it's just for itunes - i think you'd not need the virtual machine as the QNAP has that functionality available to it directly: https://www.qnap.com/i/uk/tutorial/con_show.php?op=showone&cid=55 and as for sharing, you'd just use the NAS in it's default guise.



Edited by: "GPDawes" 20th Nov 2015
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GPDawes

Thanks i was originally looking at the cheaper version. I am now looking … Thanks i was originally looking at the cheaper version. I am now looking at this i3 version.The forked-daapd project and inbuilt itunes apps for servers like Synology NAS and QNAP only support the remote app, They don't integrate to Itunes. (Apple being Apple and not supporting DLNA in ITunes) . Only way to get an iphone or ipad to work with apples music app on a NAS natively is to use computer sharing with a pc left running itunes. Hence my need for something like this.Itunes on a mac will work the apps you mention.



ahh ok - that makes sense then, i don't use itunes and just assumed that's how it would work!

i too was looking at the cheaper versions of the qnap but i think the additional investment is worth it. they do do an i7 of the same model which would be more powerful but i don't think they sell it in the UK... i did however see that it may be possible to swap the chip out but this would void the warranty.
Luke, thanks and so like minded . An i3 for VM's does not really make sense . an i7 would be ideal and was wondering if you could swap the CPU or if it was soldered.
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well mine has arrived... unfortunately they only sent a single 4tb drive! so i'll have to wait for the other one to arrive before having a go with it, i'll let you know how the i3 copes with VMs...
I have been eyeing up one of these (particularly the QNAP 671 ) to replace my 6yr old Synology.

My plan was to buy one with the lowest rated CPU and then swap in core i7 CPU + more Ram.

I am currently running a plex server and 3 vm's on a macmini server than I would love move into the NAS so that I can retire mac mini.
Edited by: "cooa99" 26th Nov 2015
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cooa99

I have been eyeing up one of these (particularly the QNAP 671 ) to … I have been eyeing up one of these (particularly the QNAP 671 ) to replace my 6yr old Synology.My plan was to buy one with the lowest rated CPU and then swap in core i7 CPU + more Ram.I am currently running a plex server and 3 vm's on a macmini server than I would love move into the NAS so that I can retire mac mini.



GPDawes

Luke, thanks and so like minded . An i3 for VM's does not really make … Luke, thanks and so like minded . An i3 for VM's does not really make sense . an i7 would be ideal and was wondering if you could swap the CPU or if it was soldered.



well, i've been running mine for a couple of days with a single drive and i'm really reaaaally impressed with it - it is an awesome bit of kit. im only using the stock i3 + 4gb ram but was easily able to spin up a single core 2gb ram / 40gb windows7 VM and have it running along side the NAS transcoding a 1080p file. i think if you wanted 3 VMs running at the same time + transcoding / other intensive stuff you would need to upgrade... the numbers just don't work otherwise (unless they're light linux boxes?).

i must admit im not really up on chips, but you can assign up to 4 cores to the VMs so they're could be scope but im afraid im not familiar with the power of mac mini so it's hard to compare. what type of machines are the 3 VMs?

for moving data though this thing is great, especially through a VM... it uses some sort of magical gubbins to avoid using the network like a normal machine would, so it feels much more like working on headless server.

plex works like a charm, suddenly all my files just work! if you can go 'direct' then that's good but if the format is strange you can force the transcode. the cpu does work a lot when transcoding intensive files but there's no onboard GPU so i guess that's to be expected... it spikes to 95%, then drops back to 2% every few minutes or so repeatedly as it's playing the file but i've not noticed any problem when working on either the VM or the NAS at the same time.

if upgrading be weary of the warranty though, i think you're clear to upgrade the ram to 16gb but doing the CPU will likely void it.

Thanks Luke that's perfect.

I currently use a PI running forkled-daapd which has caveats but a true copy of itunes running on a single core VM under windows would be much better.

I also hope to keep power usage low so an i3 over an i7 may help. About to upgrade from a synology ds409+

Will commit in the next week.

cooa99

I have been eyeing up one of these (particularly the QNAP 671 ) to … I have been eyeing up one of these (particularly the QNAP 671 ) to replace my 6yr old Synology.My plan was to buy one with the lowest rated CPU and then swap in core i7 CPU + more Ram.I am currently running a plex server and 3 vm's on a macmini server than I would love move into the NAS so that I can retire mac mini.

GPDawes

Luke, thanks and so like minded . An i3 for VM's does not really make … Luke, thanks and so like minded . An i3 for VM's does not really make sense . an i7 would be ideal and was wondering if you could swap the CPU or if it was soldered.


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GPDawes

Thanks Luke that's perfect. I currently use a PI running forkled-daapd … Thanks Luke that's perfect. I currently use a PI running forkled-daapd which has caveats but a true copy of itunes running on a single core VM under windows would be much better.I also hope to keep power usage low so an i3 over an i7 may help. About to upgrade from a synology ds409+Will commit in the next week.http://www.bikerackcompany.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/EURO20134-b.jpg



best of luck! hope it works out for ya! :-)
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