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Trying to work out if I like this mouse..
£35 for a mouse.

There are plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage.

I can understand for aesthetics or brand loyalty but still..
GambitZen05/01/2020 11:18

£35 for a mouse. There are plenty of reputable, highly …£35 for a mouse. There are plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage. I can understand for aesthetics or brand loyalty but still..


Link some and let's compare.
GambitZen05/01/2020 11:18

£35 for a mouse. There are plenty of reputable, highly …£35 for a mouse. There are plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage. I can understand for aesthetics or brand loyalty but still..



What is your opinion on a mouse like this? hotukdeals.com/dea…489
GambitZen05/01/2020 11:18

£35 for a mouse. There are plenty of reputable, highly …£35 for a mouse. There are plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage. I can understand for aesthetics or brand loyalty but still..


Don't know any £8-12 mice than will hold up vs the premium mice. Have any examples?
rev605/01/2020 11:21

Link some and let's compare.


First result on Amazon.

amazon.co.uk/gp/…c=1

£14 and 4.5 stars with 72 reviews.

I bought my Red Dragon for £11 and it has lasted 2 years and the customisation is great.
EagleUK05/01/2020 11:22

Don't know any £8-12 mice than will hold up vs the premium mice. Have any …Don't know any £8-12 mice than will hold up vs the premium mice. Have any examples?


Premium mice...seriously, are you trying to argue that a mouse is premium? In what regard?

What does your premium mouse do specifically that one you class as "non-premium" does not?

Do you also consider 1ms mice mats as premium...
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 11:24

First result on Amazon. …First result on Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07NSQZWFN/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1£14 and 4.5 stars with 72 reviews. I bought my Red Dragon for £11 and it has lasted 2 years and the customisation is great.


Not a 16K sensor, so no good for those wanting that. No good if you have other Razer products and want to sync it all.
No hardware adjustable scroll wheel.
No clutch trigger (A button which might be possible, depends on the software)

Just a few things that might make you pay more.
Edited by: "rev6" 5th Jan
rev605/01/2020 11:29

Not a 16K sensor, so no good for those wanting that.


Why do we want that again? For what purpose other than to sell mice...specifically, what does it do? Imagine you are explaining to an old person buying a mouse for their gamer grandchild...
rev605/01/2020 11:29

No good if you have other Razer products and want to sync it all.


What does this mean? Are you claiming my Razer keyboard will stop working if I don't have a Razer mouse? Or that the input will not register on my Razer gaming application?
GambitZen05/01/2020 11:35

Why do we want that again? For what purpose other than to sell …Why do we want that again? For what purpose other than to sell mice...specifically, what does it do? Imagine you are explaining to an old person buying a mouse for their gamer grandchild...What does this mean? Are you claiming my Razer keyboard will stop working if I don't have a Razer mouse? Or that the input will not register on my Razer gaming application?


Why? No idea. It's just a feature that this has over the one you linked to.

I didn't claim anything of the sort.
timz05/01/2020 11:22

What is your opinion on a mouse like this? …What is your opinion on a mouse like this? https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/logitech-g-pro-wireless-gaming-mouse-at-amazonde-3381489


That is nonsense.

amazon.co.uk/PIC…8-3

Less than £15 and over 1100 reviews.

Gamers, like audiophiles, for too long, have been sold complete woo-science as "premium products". The 1ms mouse mat is the best.
GambitZen05/01/2020 11:25

Premium mice...seriously, are you trying to argue that a mouse is premium? …Premium mice...seriously, are you trying to argue that a mouse is premium? In what regard?What does your premium mouse do specifically that one you class as "non-premium" does not?Do you also consider 1ms mice mats as premium...


Well if you pay £40-70 for a mouse then you are paying a 'premium' for that mouse, therefore they are more premium. Only person being argumentative is you.

You said there was "plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage", I asked you for examples because I was interested if there actually were any that would hold vs the more premium mice as I am unaware of any.

I've used a few VicTsing mice before on other peoples machines and although they 'work' they are generally more flimsy, button clicks aren't great, normally feel more spongy. Judging by your examples, they would not hold up vs what most people would call more 'premium' mice.
EagleUK05/01/2020 11:43

Well if you pay £40-70 for a mouse then you are paying a 'premium' for …Well if you pay £40-70 for a mouse then you are paying a 'premium' for that mouse, therefore they are more premium. Only person being argumentative is you. You said there was "plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage", I asked you for examples because I was interested if there actually were any that would hold vs the more premium mice as I am unaware of any.I've used a few VicTsing mice before on other peoples machines and although they 'work' they are generally more flimsy, button clicks aren't great, normally feel more spongy. Judging by your examples, they would not hold up vs what most people would call more 'premium' mice.


I agree with the button clicks and build quality with cheaper mice. That's something I can't compare with both the mice mentioned as I've used neither.
£30 is not a lot of money for one, as long as it's good quality and it lasts.
Edited by: "rev6" 5th Jan
rev605/01/2020 11:49

I agree with the button clicks and build quality with cheaper mice. That's …I agree with the button clicks and build quality with cheaper mice. That's something I can't compare with both the mice mentioned as I've used neither.£30 is not a lot of money for one, as long as it's good quality and it lasts.


Red Dragon and MSI are literally the same mice, made in the same factory in China. One is just a different badge.

Tell me again about the "clicks" etc. Sounds very scientific.
EagleUK05/01/2020 11:58

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Automobiles are not mice. They have thousands of components and thousands of quality and engineering variables. Stick to mice, your analogy is bogus.

Now..be specific, you keep saying "hold up". What specifically does your premium mouse do that the cheaper mice do not?

Red Dragon mice are literally MSI mice. The same. Made in the same factory to the same specs with the same materials. For a 1/4 of the cost.

So, invert your thinking, why don't you tell us what your premium mouse does that a Red Dragon mouse does not...
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
Damn just paid £64.99 for a mouse when i could of had a £5.00 mouse
garybb05/01/2020 12:08

Damn just paid £64.99 for a mouse when i could of had a £5.00 mouse ( …Damn just paid £64.99 for a mouse when i could of had a £5.00 mouse


More fool you mate. What do you get for £65 out of interest? Is it super-fast sensors and programmable buttons?

You could have had THIS mouse at HALF the cost...what does your mouse do that is double this one or quadruple a Red Dragon? Other than the design of it...
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 12:09

More fool you mate. What do you get for £65 out of interest? Is it …More fool you mate. What do you get for £65 out of interest? Is it super-fast sensors and programmable buttons?


Nope its a bog standard mouse that has no software, no extra buttons and no RGB but feels great in the hand.
Edited by: "garybb" 5th Jan
For those reading...

The best Overwatch players in the world dial down their sensors to less than 1000dpi. That is 15,000 less than (gasp)...people pay a "premium" for.

prosettings.net/ove…st/
GambitZen05/01/2020 12:02

Automobiles are not mice. They have thousands of components and thousands …Automobiles are not mice. They have thousands of components and thousands of quality and engineering variables. Stick to mice, your analogy is bogus. Now..be specific, you keep saying "hold up". What specifically does your premium mouse do that the cheaper mice do not? Red Dragon mice are literally MSI mice. The same. Made in the same factory to the same specs with the same materials. For a 1/4 of the cost. So, invert your thinking, why don't you tell us what your premium mouse does that a Red Dragon mouse does not...


It was an example, but that same principle stands in almost any product category.

The same as a Audi S4 would do a number of things a Dacia Sandero wouldn't, in short as I and other have said you get better quality, features and support.

I understand the reason to buy on a budget if you don't need a certain level of quality or features but it's up to the person to decide whether it provides value to them. Because you bought a cheap mouse and you find it okay doesn't mean that it's suitable for everyone, professionals or gamers.

Many products are built in the same factories, often for various brands, that's not to say they use the identical components, they will often vary highly. Unless you have factually seen them being put together or taken them apart and are able to verify the components are identical then the likelihood is they differ in some way. It may be the case, a particular mouse could use identical switches to another that costs more, but generally the product will be better, have better features and better support ( including often a longer warranty ).

You are basically attempting to argue a Dacia Sandero is a car, so anyone who buys an S4 is a mug? There are no advantages to it because it's a car?
GambitZen05/01/2020 12:15

For those reading...The best Overwatch players in the world dial down …For those reading...The best Overwatch players in the world dial down their sensors to less than 1000dpi. That is 15,000 less than (gasp)...people pay a "premium" for. https://prosettings.net/overwatch-pro-settings-gear-list/


800dpi is the sweet spot for any PC gamer anything above is just nonsense.
EagleUK05/01/2020 12:16

It was an example, but that same principle stands in almost any product …It was an example, but that same principle stands in almost any product category. The same as a Audi S4 would do a number of things a Dacia Sandero wouldn't, in short as I and other have said you get better quality, features and support.I understand the reason to buy on a budget if you don't need a certain level of quality or features but it's up to the person to decide whether it provides value to them. Because you bought a cheap mouse and you find it okay doesn't mean that it's suitable for everyone, professionals or gamers. Many products are built in the same factories, often for various brands, that's not to say they use the identical components, they will often vary highly. Unless you have factually seen them being put together or taken them apart and are able to verify the components are identical then the likelihood is they differ in some way. It may be the case, a particular mouse could use identical switches to another that costs more, but generally the product will be better, have better features and better support ( including often a longer warranty ).You are basically attempting to argue a Dacia Sandero is a car, so anyone who buys an S4 is a mug? There are no advantages to it because it's a car?


So just to be clear...you still don't have ANY categories that you are measuring and you are doubling down on the Sandero analogy even though it is nonsense.

Your approach is just to repeat the words "better" over and over and magically the mouse is worth triple or even more.

I am convinced.

PrEmIuM MiCe ArE LikE BugaTTi VeyRoNs!!

Even though the best eSports players have less than 1000dpi dialled in.
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 12:34

So just to be clear...you still don't have ANY categories that you are …So just to be clear...you still don't have ANY categories that you are measuring and you are doubling down on the Sandero analogy even though it is nonsense.Your approach is just to repeat the words "better" over and over and magically the mouse is worth triple or even more. I am convinced. PrEmIuM MiCe ArE LikE BugaTTi VeyRoNs!! (lol)Even though the best eSports players have less than 1000dpi dialled in.


It makes perfect sense, different products have different design, features, cost premium, because they are both the same type of product doesn't mean they are 'magically' the same.

If you looking at certain things then design, quality, features, customization, support / warranty, occasionally software can be helpful.

You seem to be under the impression everyone cares about DPI when buying a mouse? It's been over 10 years since that's been almost irrelevant, even if still market it strongly to sell mice.

You are basically saying buy a £8-12 mouse, a cheap mouse, it functions as a mouse so it's the same as any other mouse and is identical in design, quality, features, support / software to anything else, that is simply not the case.
EagleUK05/01/2020 13:07

It makes perfect sense, different products have different design, …It makes perfect sense, different products have different design, features, cost premium, because they are both the same type of product doesn't mean they are 'magically' the same.If you looking at certain things then design, quality, features, customization, support / warranty, occasionally software can be helpful.You seem to be under the impression everyone cares about DPI when buying a mouse? It's been over 10 years since that's been almost irrelevant, even if still market it strongly to sell mice.You are basically saying buy a £8-12 mouse, a cheap mouse, it functions as a mouse so it's the same as any other mouse and is identical in design, quality, features, support / software to anything else, that is simply not the case.


Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" mice outperforms in then...gotcha.

Just more woo and vague comments.
It's a 'TrollFest'
stay the hell away from these comments.
Never buy before you try, but you still will.

Will say this, I always trust Logitech's build quality and will pay a premium for it.
GambitZen05/01/2020 13:09

Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" …Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" mice outperforms in then...gotcha.Just more woo and vague comments.


Quality of materials used, build quality, component (microswitches, sensor, memory & others) quality, comfort, features, software and support.
As with any kind of products you have the bog cheap stuff that is perfectly usable and you have expensive products full of bells and whistles, they all do the same thing but not in the same way
same reason why some ppl buy a dacia and others wouldn’t touch one and buy something from a premium brand even though they both do the same thing.
Edited by: "Lvo08" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 13:09

Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" …Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" mice outperforms in then...gotcha.Just more woo and vague comments.


Well I've just given you the main advantages, if you choose to ignore them that's your choice, not going to waste my time anymore.

Keep living in your cloud, where the various £8 mice are identical to any other mice, they will last years, they have identical quality, design, components support as other mice, everyone should buy £8 mice. Why is there even other mice on the market? Clearly there is no reason anyone should buy any other mice. Why did you buy a £11 mouse? Dude you got ripped off, why didn't you buy an £8 mouse? It's identical?!
GambitZen05/01/2020 13:09

Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" …Still don't actually have a feature or a metric that one of your "premium" mice outperforms in then...gotcha.Just more woo and vague comments.


Cheap mouse's use crappy sensors with poor tracking, Mouse acceleration, Poor build quality, Poor switches with high latency a lot of pre and post travel also the buttons usually wobble, Crappy heavy cable that will kink all the time and spring back while aiming, Heavy mice like bricks 100g+, Huge sizes that don't fit everyone's hand size or grip style... Poor feet that don't glide well, You pay extra for better mice.

See Rocketjumpninja on YouTube for more info he does great videos on mice.
Edited by: "Liam_Davenport" 5th Jan
I have bought and used 100s of mice. Different people like different ones for different reasons. From my experience cheap mice are exactly what they are, cheap. But I definitely recommend trying any before your buy. I am actually using this mouse on one of my rigs atm and for the price it's a great mouse. I normally prefer large heavy one's and I know this is going to sound odd but I really like how the scroll wheel feels
This_is_a_Vacation05/01/2020 13:12

It's a 'TrollFest' stay the hell away from these comments.Never buy before …It's a 'TrollFest' stay the hell away from these comments.Never buy before you try, but you still will.Will say this, I always trust Logitech's build quality and will pay a premium for it.


They have you locked in for life. A sales manager dream.
Liam_Davenport05/01/2020 13:31

Cheap mouse's use crappy sensors with poor tracking, Mouse acceleration, …Cheap mouse's use crappy sensors with poor tracking, Mouse acceleration, Poor build quality, Poor switches with high latency a lot of pre and post travel also the buttons usually wobble, Crappy heavy cable that will kink all the time and spring back while aiming, Heavy mice like bricks 100g+, Huge sizes that don't fit everyone's hand size or grip style... Poor feet that don't glide well, You pay extra for better mice.


Sure. OK.
Lvo0805/01/2020 13:20

Quality of materials used, build quality, component (microswitches, …Quality of materials used, build quality, component (microswitches, sensor, memory & others) quality, comfort, features, software and support.As with any kind of products you have the bog cheap stuff that is perfectly usable and you have expensive products full of bells and whistles, they all do the same thing but not in the same waysame reason why some ppl buy a dacia and others wouldn’t touch one and buy something from a premium brand even though they both do the same thing.


Do you have any actual examples of these "out performing? Any genuine tests or metrics of the so-called inferior sensors and inputs?

I thought not.
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 13:35

Do you have any actual examples of these "out performing? Any genuine …Do you have any actual examples of these "out performing? Any genuine tests or metrics of the so-called inferior sensors and inputs? I thought not.


Just out of curiosity...

Do you wear a watch? If the answer is yes would you mind telling me your brand of choice.
EagleUK05/01/2020 11:43

Well if you pay £40-70 for a mouse then you are paying a 'premium' for …Well if you pay £40-70 for a mouse then you are paying a 'premium' for that mouse, therefore they are more premium. Only person being argumentative is you. You said there was "plenty of reputable, highly reviewed gaming mice for £8-£12. There is no additional advantage", I asked you for examples because I was interested if there actually were any that would hold vs the more premium mice as I am unaware of any.I've used a few VicTsing mice before on other peoples machines and although they 'work' they are generally more flimsy, button clicks aren't great, normally feel more spongy. Judging by your examples, they would not hold up vs what most people would call more 'premium' mice.


Premium mute button deployed
Decharvinator05/01/2020 13:55

Just out of curiosity...Do you wear a watch? If the answer is yes would …Just out of curiosity...Do you wear a watch? If the answer is yes would you mind telling me your brand of choice.


FitBit. Sometimes a cheap G-Shock for climbing and hiking. I have a cheaper Seiko dress watch with a leather strap for matching smarter outfits.

I can see where you are going with this but mice are not fashion accessories for displaying wealth or collectors item that hold or increase in value. They are, by nature, cheap electronics goods.

Premium mice are sold to the same crowd that buy 1ms latency mice mats and gold-plated cables.

Why FitBit? My whole family use FitBit and it was a gift.
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 13:33

Sure. OK.


I hope you didn't buy those skis you posted. These do the same job for a fraction of the price. You could even splash out on some of these for extra security and still have over £100 to spare!
Connell9705/01/2020 14:08

I hope you didn't buy those skis you posted. These do the same job for a …I hope you didn't buy those skis you posted. These do the same job for a fraction of the price. You could even splash out on some of these for extra security and still have over £100 to spare!


I don't use ski's mate. I snowboard.

But sick burn...I have really been shown the error of my ways.
Edited by: "GambitZen" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 13:35

Do you have any actual examples of these "out performing? Any genuine …Do you have any actual examples of these "out performing? Any genuine tests or metrics of the so-called inferior sensors and inputs? I thought not.


They're all based of the actual feel of the product, other than that you get microswitches rated for 50 million clicks and other stuff.
For the sensors you need to look up mouse reviews, you'll get metrics for each sensor and its implementation, you've loads of measurable stats affected by that, can you actually feel all that? It depends, i probably can't but i buy mice for the other features, like low latency wireless, number of buttons and battery.
And no, i'm not going to do the work for you, if you're genuinely interested by cheap vs expensive you've got all the tech sites that do comparisons, they're all just a google away.
That's if you're not just talking rubbish.
Edited by: "Lvo08" 5th Jan
GambitZen05/01/2020 14:10

I don't use ski's mate. I snowboard.


Even better, you could just buy one of them!
Lvo0805/01/2020 14:10

They're all based of the actual feel of the product, other than that you …They're all based of the actual feel of the product, other than that you get microswitches rated for 50 million clicks.For the sensors you need to look up mouse reviews, you'll get metrics for each sensor and its implementation, you've loads of measurable stats affected by that.And no, i'm not going to do the work for you, if you're genuinely interested by cheap vs expensive you've got all the tech sites that do comparisons, they're all just a google away.That's if you're not just talking rubbish.


The only people spouting rubbish are those that believe "premium" gaming peripherals make a difference.

Absolute rubbish based on woo-science, gimmicks and nonsense.
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