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Razer Lachesis Refresh Gaming Mouse - 5600dpi, 3.5G Laser - £29.97! @ Amazon
Razer Lachesis Refresh Gaming Mouse - 5600dpi, 3.5G Laser - £29.97! @ Amazon

Razer Lachesis Refresh Gaming Mouse - 5600dpi, 3.5G Laser - £29.97! @ Amazon

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"Equipped with the revolutionary 5600dpi Razer Precision 3.5G Laser sensor, the Razer Lachesis gaming mouse returns in a fresh look and even more lethal precision and accuracy than ever. Its nine programmable Hyperesponse buttons, its 1000Hz Ultrapolling with 1ms response and the new customizable lighting make it a formidable weapon in your arsenal of destruction. Beat the snot out of your buddies and look cool doing it."

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Great find, have some heat.

One the most pointless mice ever. Hot if you want it, not that you should.

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Moooorish

One the most pointless mice ever. Hot if you want it, not that you should.



How so?

Its a true gamers mouse unless you want to fork out for the mamba, I've used it at my mates house and its a brilliant mouse. p.s. Merry xmas all

Had this for more then a year now, with the right settings it's a winner =)

Why is this one of the most pointless mice ever? It's one of the only decent left hand mice around for a start, which will be very useful to some people, and it has 9 programmable buttons, which may be too much for some people but I've loved it and am getting a Naga soon with close to 20. Great deal btw op, especially for the refresh which I didn't know existed lol.

Can you put a link to the one that is £29.99 comes up as £70 for me when I click your link. Cheapest I can find on amazon is £49.99

My bad I just found it heat added

Buying another now . Great product, had mine for 4 months since it was out and paid 83 pounds.

Really good price - its just a pity Im not a fan of Razer mice

Have some heat regardless

i cant find it
can someone post the direct link?

It's back up now.

Had a Lachesis for a few years now. Good mouse although seriously suffers from poor support and firmware. Me like many have had to go back to the inital release firmware to reduce lag and stuttering.
Edited by: "Pac3y" 25th Dec 2010

Good mouse, wish all the non-gamers would shut the hell up.

If you missed this like me theres this one BUT IT IS 4000dpi - same price

hotukdeals.com/dea…06/

\Edit - this is still available but you need to look at rhs of Amazon

a good comfortable mouse is way better than any gaming mouse. Probably one to rtry before your buy.

darkspark88

a good comfortable mouse is way better than any gaming mouse. Probably … a good comfortable mouse is way better than any gaming mouse. Probably one to rtry before your buy.



and is it better for gaming?
Merry Xmas

below @ bio, I was being a little sarcy at darkspark

Better than a gaming mouse? It IS a gaming mouse. oO
Tempted to replace my 1st gen Deathadder as it's starting to show the wear from the paces I've put it through now (finish is peeling etc)
Edited by: "bio" 25th Dec 2010

Thanks just ordered one. Best price I've seen so far for this refreshed Razer Lachesis. It still availble to order but amazon now says 4-6 weeks to dispatch.

Merry Christmas! X)

Good price! never ordered a gaming mouse.. been using my intellimouse explorer for 5 years :P
Estimated delivery 28 Jan 2011 - 10 Feb 2011
took the jump!
Get in there before the VAT rise :P
Heat added! Marry xmas


Edited by: "5nowman" 25th Dec 2010

A good comfortable mouse (can) be a gaming mouse, but those that buy into the gaming marketing expecting a superior job are sometimes deluded. I would actually be embarassed to have a "gaming" of any accessory. However far geeks have come, they still can't persuade the mainsteam that stuff like gaming mice, led fans, keyboards, headsets aren't tacky even if they are any good.

For instance I would be embarassed to own a world of warcraft headset. But I guess serious gamers are in another circle
Edited by: "darkspark88" 25th Dec 2010

Joey Bloggsy

If you missed this like me theres this one BUT IT IS 4000dpi - same price

Seeing as it's impossible to position your hand with anything like 4000dpi precision, does it really matter? Looks to me like the classic silly number like megapixels, which has very little meaning in the real world.
Edited by: "pibpob" 25th Dec 2010

darkspark88

A good comfortable mouse (can) be a gaming mouse, but those that buy into … A good comfortable mouse (can) be a gaming mouse, but those that buy into the gaming marketing expecting a superior job are sometimes deluded. I would actually be embarassed to have a "gaming" of any accessory. However far geeks have come, they still can't persuade the mainsteam that stuff like gaming mice, led fans, keyboards, headsets aren't tacky even if they are any good.For instance I would be embarassed to own a world of warcraft headset. But I guess serious gamers are in another circle




A good comfortable mouse (can only) be as good as a (bad) gaming mouse. Besides which, finding a good quality mouse for significantly less than this one would be pretty difficult. Gaming mice are designed, funnily enough, with gaming in mind and not only do they provide better precision, but also easily reachable additional buttons that are macro programmable. Ok, unless you're also using the mouse with design software the precision can be a bit overkill, but it's also true that a standard mouse cannot compete as accurately and fluidly in gaming.

Anyway, unless you are currently, or have in the past embarrassed yourself I'm struggling to see how exactly it is you're able to make an informed opinion. You'd need to spend a good week or 2 with a new mouse and then try reverting back to really get a proper picture and since you don't buy into 'gaming' anything it seems you're just speculating for some reason only known to yourself.

"A good comfortable mouse (can only) be as good as a (bad) gaming mouse"

I'm unsure as how you measure whether a gaming mouse is any good, but if it's by results, a comfortable mouse can easily be "better" than a gaming mouse. Simple ergonomics, acceptable DPI tracking are enough. You talk about accuracy, but when you get to sensitivity of around 5000dpi, you'll realise that you actually become LESS accurate, as a slight movement is translated into a very large movement on screen. Great if you're a camping sniper, but even then I guess shouting about your mouse dpi is something that is cool in pro gamer circles. Much like horsepower in cars is to car enthusiasts.

Hmm - "better precision" eh? Doesn't answer my question as to why you would want even 4000 dots per inch - you just try positioning something with that precision, design software or not. Seems that every product has to have a meaningless or semi-meaningless number attached, and the bigger that number the more you can flog it for. Megapixels for cameras, mAh for batteries, watts for amplifiers, GHz for computers and dots per inch for mice. I bet you wouldn't be able to tell if that mouse were 1000 or 4000 dots per inch, whether you had spent two weeks with it or not.

I am a big fan of steelseries mice in the past few years. They make the most comfortable mice but quality is not great. Luckily I live close to Scan so there is no problem of exchange every 9 months. Ordered one of this as a spare, thanks op

How is razer's quality and does this one have the customizable led color?

darkspark, as I said myself the dpi on this mouse is overkill for gaming, but with this mouse you can set it to a more acceptable level and also tailor it differently to what feels best for a certain game. Most people using this for gaming will set the dpi to a higher level than can be attained with a normal mouse because it allows you, for example, to turn the screen with less mouse movement which in turn allows you to retain a higher degree of accuracy since logically you can hold a straight line easier over a shorter distance. At the top end, in gaming, I personally find it too easy to drag the screen too far, but some people, with practice, may find it actually works better for them. And in non-gaming applications, like in design software as I mentioned, the top end dpi can be extremely useful when dragging as it allows you to continuously move things around without running out of mouse space and since you have a visual pointer on screen it makes it extremely precise as you only have to move a short space and have less chance of losing a straight line. That's how the precision is attained. You've also completely ignored the fact that a good gaming mouse has programmable macro buttons which can be a godsend in some games. If you're argument is based on the usual pricing of these, then I'd completely agree that price is based on the way they're marketed rather than the design and material cost, but the critisism of the actual product is way off and at this price it's a good buy.

pipbob, the difference between 1000 and 4000 dpi is huge...you wouldn't need to spend more than 2 seconds with it to realise.

flipper79

pipbob, the difference between 1000 and 4000 dpi is huge...you wouldn't … pipbob, the difference between 1000 and 4000 dpi is huge...you wouldn't need to spend more than 2 seconds with it to realise.

Can you explain why? If you set the acceleration so that the pointer moves at the same rate in both cases, how can you tell the difference? Would you be able to draw characters as neatly as a laser printer even at 600 dots per inch can? Because that's equivalent.

basically, in games having a more sensitive mouse gives you greater control.

flipper79

darkspark, as I said myself the dpi on this mouse is overkill for gaming, … darkspark, as I said myself the dpi on this mouse is overkill for gaming, but with this mouse you can set it to a more acceptable level and also tailor it differently to what feels best for a certain game. Most people using this for gaming will set the dpi to a higher level than can be attained with a normal mouse because it allows you, for example, to turn the screen with less mouse movement which in turn allows you to retain a higher degree of accuracy since logically you can hold a straight line easier over a shorter distance. At the top end, in gaming, I personally find it too easy to drag the screen too far, but some people, with practice, may find it actually works better for them. And in non-gaming applications, like in design software as I mentioned, the top end dpi can be extremely useful when dragging as it allows you to continuously move things around without running out of mouse space and since you have a visual pointer on screen it makes it extremely precise as you only have to move a short space and have less chance of losing a straight line. That's how the precision is attained. You've also completely ignored the fact that a good gaming mouse has programmable macro buttons which can be a godsend in some games. If you're argument is based on the usual pricing of these, then I'd completely agree that price is based on the way they're marketed rather than the design and material cost, but the critisism of the actual product is way off and at this price it's a good buy.pipbob, the difference between 1000 and 4000 dpi is huge...you wouldn't need to spend more than 2 seconds with it to realise.



heh. We could debate all day, but I won't be sold that gaming mice are better than ordinary good spec mice like the microsoft bluetrack series or logitech vx.

I understand your points, but pricing aside, gaming mice to me are just overpriced, over-specced bits of plastic. Plus I'm more a keyboard shortcut guy, and macros are like a dirty word to me. The additionally buttons on my ms/logitech mice do me fine, particularly as they are in some aspects programmable to a point.
Edited by: "darkspark88" 25th Dec 2010

retrend

basically, in games having a more sensitive mouse gives you greater … basically, in games having a more sensitive mouse gives you greater control.

How? If you can't position your hand accurately enough to take advantage of the greater resolution, then the greater resolution is wasted. I don't know why people are finding this so hard to understand.

pibpob

How? If you can't position your hand accurately enough to take advantage … How? If you can't position your hand accurately enough to take advantage of the greater resolution, then the greater resolution is wasted. I don't know why people are finding this so hard to understand.



Hi pibpob, the "secret" is to lower the sensitivity of the game to the minimum, and increase the dpi of the mice to the maximum, in this way you can have a finer control of the aim (for FPS games in my case)

For example, imagine that the "mouce acceleration" of the game is x1, so no acceleration, and the dpi is 3200. So the minimum movement will move the mice 1 pixel (I'm making this up, as I don't think there's a 1 to 1 relation between dpi and pixels, but it's just for the example)... Now, imagine you're playing an FPS game, such as Battlefield, as a sniper, so you can aim pretty well, as the aim moves smoothly.
Now, imagine that you have a 800 dpi mouse, with a x4 acceleration, so now, when you move the mouse, the aim will move 4 pixels intead of 1...

I hope the example makes some sense and it's not puse gibberish.

Check this link for some more information: forum.notebookreview.com/acc…tml

Firstly the acceleration rate of the pointer is dependent on the software. What you change in the control panel settings in windows won't take effect in software so you're reliant on the options provided in the software which by the same token makes it more customisable when you can change the dpi aswell. Secondly, changing the speed through dpi rather than pointer acceleration effectively improves the image it's reading off the surface which allows for better compensation to minor surface imperfections which have greater resulting effect at higher speeds. I'm really not sure why you're talking about printers, it's completely irrelevant. I'm talking about dragging a line from A to B as fast as possible, for as long as needed in as short a movement as possible in a manner as quick and fluid as a pencil stroke. It may not appear an accurate way of doing things but movement speed is hugely important when you have to then move from B to C and C to D etc etc, the last thing you can afford to do is lift and centre the mouse. I know what works best for me because I've tried it...I'm not a masochist who wants to make things as hard as possible for myself. But for most people it's the macro application that makes this a good value mouse. For most games the variable dpi is good but would only be used for increased customisation at the lower end of the scale, but if you need it faster the options there. It sounds like you've either never tried one or got one and didn't get on with it. It's quite simple, if this isn't for you, don't buy it.

If indeed you have a game that is so stupid that ignores the mouse settings, then you are stuck. Which games do this and have no alternative means of setting mouse acceleration?

Putting that aside, nothing you say makes any sense because of the simple fact that you can't position your hand with anything like the precision of thousands of dots per inch, and your inability to understand the printer analogy makes it clear you haven't grasped this simple concept.

Do you not read? If you don't get it from what I've written then look at eldaras post who put it far more clearly than I was able. The functionality of dpi in a printer is completely irrelevant because it follows a pre determined set of rules that consistently reproduces the same results to a specific degree of quality in a set manufactured environment. The functionality of dpi in a mouse is to scan the surface area and best compensate for imperfections in different surface types and dictate speed by the amount of detail it scans. By having a greater dpi you are, for example, able to keep the pointer acceleration at 1:1 in correlation to hand movement in the software settings and increase the dpi to make it a more acceptable speed without the pointer having to skip areas on the screen, so less judder (clearly more visible at lower dpi's) which in turn makes it more fluid and more likely to maintain precision over a longer distance. It's very simple logic even a fool contrarian can understand. But I guess therein lies the problem. Or maybe you're just angry at always getting pwned because your printer's so rubbish at moving the pointer.

It NOW SHOWING up @ £70-30

Yes I did read. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on printers because you won't grasp the point, instead introducing more irrelevancies - if a mouse isn't supposed to operate consistently then it rather makes a mockery of your arguments about precision.

As usual, an argument which is perfectly valid at a certain level (NB that means I don't disagree with the concept at all) has been reduced to the absurd by the marketing teams and the consumer's inability to see through this hype. Will some objective figures help? A 5000dpi mouse will be moved by less than half an inch - not much more than one centimetre - to traverse the whole screen. Are you really telling me that people have mice set up like this?

No, of course they don't. They will divide the output down so that the mouse moves further than its native one dot to move by one pixel on the screen. In other words, you are reducing the effective DPI of the mouse, wasting its native DPI. Therefore, having such a high DPI is pointless.

I take it ppl knocking the gaming mouse are proper games players or at least play regularly?

I bought it for my son who tells me he can notice the difference in game play with an ordinary mouse and a gaming mouse whilst I cannot with the odd game I play now an then.

Lets hope he's not conning me

Joey Bloggsy

I take it ppl knocking the gaming mouse are proper games players or at … I take it ppl knocking the gaming mouse are proper games players or at least play regularly?I bought it for my son who tells me he can notice the difference in game play with an ordinary mouse and a gaming mouse whilst I cannot with the odd game I play now an then.Lets hope he's not conning me



hehe I think we've established not only are they not gamers, but haven't even tried a mouse they insist on having a negative opinion of.

He's not conning you. If he's playing something like call of duty, this mouse will allow him to quickly and precisely take out targets without much mouse jumping or having to reposition the mouse to give himself more movement space. If he then wants to snipe he can adjust the dpi on the fly to make it alot less sensitive to help with accuracy in a smaller area.

For something like an mmo the mouse sensitivity is far more customisable which is always handy plus he has extra buttons to bind macro's which means less time wasted trying to find the appropriate keyboard key or using the pointer to click it.

It's not something that'll make you better at games but it'll reduce errors once it's configuered correctly which amounts to much the same thing.

pibpob

Yes I did read. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on printers … Yes I did read. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on printers because you won't grasp the point, instead introducing more irrelevancies - if a mouse isn't supposed to operate consistently then it rather makes a mockery of your arguments about precision.As usual, an argument which is perfectly valid at a certain level (NB that means I don't disagree with the concept at all) has been reduced to the absurd by the marketing teams and the consumer's inability to see through this hype. Will some objective figures help? A 5000dpi mouse will be moved by less than half an inch - not much more than one centimetre - to traverse the whole screen. Are you really telling me that people have mice set up like this?No, of course they don't. They will divide the output down so that the mouse moves further than its native one dot to move by one pixel on the screen. In other words, you are reducing the effective DPI of the mouse, wasting its native DPI. Therefore, having such a high DPI is pointless.



I thought no one would notice the difference between 1000 and 4000 dpi? And yet now all of a sudden no one would set their mouse to such a high dpi because it would be too fast? And that's exactly the point, moving the pointer from one end of the screen to the other in as short a movement as possible will keep a more precise line than if you have to move longer. Don't believe me? Draw a straight 2cm pencil line and a 20cm pencil line and tell me which one has more imperfections?
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