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This pre workout is effectively 15 servings(two scoops) for £10

Very basic pre workout but would be good to those new to pre workouts and also good for adding to a none stimulant pump formula.

(two scoops)
6000mg of pump inducing citrulline malate, 3,200mg of workout extending beta-alanine, 250mg of caffeine for mental focus, accompanied by B vitamins and electrolytes to enhance energy levels and rehydration.
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I must say I tried this once when it was £12.99 on Amazon I normally go for the optimum Nutrition one which is £17.99 but goes down to 12.99 on sale.. When I buy 3 tubs!

Must say, this, although good, is not comparable to the optimum nutrition one.

They also do a matching BCAA one, called "train and sustain" which I used for taekwondo lesson's and that works a treat too (you could use this one for running or cycling)

It's so goo Infact, everyone's losing power at tyre end & I'm still going... - and I'm terribly unfit, have always been overweight and only started excersizing recently.. It's that good.


Pre workout before weights obviously.
Bcaas before cardio.

I do not work for any fitness company just to say. After waxing lyrical you may think this is sponsored, haha. I'm actually, a Gardner...
Alexcolvill23/04/2020 18:59

I must say I tried this once when it was £12.99 on Amazon I normally go …I must say I tried this once when it was £12.99 on Amazon I normally go for the optimum Nutrition one which is £17.99 but goes down to 12.99 on sale.. When I buy 3 tubs!Must say, this, although good, is not comparable to the optimum nutrition one.They also do a matching BCAA one, called "train and sustain" which I used for taekwondo lesson's and that works a treat too (you could use this one for running or cycling) It's so goo Infact, everyone's losing power at tyre end & I'm still going... - and I'm terribly unfit, have always been overweight and only started excersizing recently.. It's that good. Pre workout before weights obviously.Bcaas before cardio.I do not work for any fitness company just to say. After waxing lyrical you may think this is sponsored, haha. I'm actually, a Gardner...


Actually the optnium nutrition one is pretty bad, plus bcaa's in a pre workout make no sense because bcaa's are useless overall. Only eaa is decent. Plus 2.9g of bcaa is useless again.

The optnium nutrition one has 1.5g Of citrulline unlike the 6,000mg in the reflex one.
You need 4,000mg for a clinical dose.

Sadly the optnium nutrition one is pretty bad.

The reflex one is very very basic but atleast the ingredients it does have are at / above a clinical dose.

I wouldn't take either as my pre workouts and supplements are high end and have much better ingredients

Posted this for people who are newbies or want to stack with a pump formula.
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Also an intra workout makes more more sense before cardio or weight training.
In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried quite a few and some make me feel different. But the effect is probably 50% placebo. Its not steroids and it won't make you into a beast. Just get enough rest, good food and a coffee before a workout if you really need a boost Not to mention, the safety regarding long-term health of pre-workout users is questionable.
nag_sup23/04/2020 19:10

In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried …In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried quite a few and some make me feel different. But the effect is probably 50% placebo. Its not steroids and it won't make you into a beast. Just get enough rest, good food and a coffee before a workout if you really need a boost Not to mention, the safety regarding long-term health of pre-workout users is questionable.

I think you may be abit misinformed I'm afraid.


You've never had a decent one? A decent pre workout can really help your performance massively, especially a pump formula because it means my arms become vascular and a nice pump.

I think we're two very different demographics, coffee will never beat dmha.

And its perfectly safe, I've reviewed around 40 in the last 12 months and I'm fine.

Happy to send you some samples of some decent pre workouts
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Now i will say is the education in the industry is really bad at the moment. Only a few brands educating the customer base.
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
nag_sup23/04/2020 19:10

In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried …In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried quite a few and some make me feel different. But the effect is probably 50% placebo. Its not steroids and it won't make you into a beast. Just get enough rest, good food and a coffee before a workout if you really need a boost Not to mention, the safety regarding long-term health of pre-workout users is questionable.


Also comparing steroids to pre workout is a little odd, haven't heard that one before
nag_sup23/04/2020 19:10

In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried …In all honesty, I feel that pre-workout is a waste of money. I've tried quite a few and some make me feel different. But the effect is probably 50% placebo. Its not steroids and it won't make you into a beast. Just get enough rest, good food and a coffee before a workout if you really need a boost Not to mention, the safety regarding long-term health of pre-workout users is questionable.


Try Alpha Lion Superhuman and tell me again they are a waste and don't work. It sounds like you just haven't had a decent one yet.
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 19:08

Actually the optnium nutrition one is pretty bad, plus bcaa's in a pre …Actually the optnium nutrition one is pretty bad, plus bcaa's in a pre workout make no sense because bcaa's are useless overall. Only eaa is decent. Plus 2.9g of bcaa is useless again. The optnium nutrition one has 1.5g Of citrulline unlike the 6,000mg in the reflex one.You need 4,000mg for a clinical dose.Sadly the optnium nutrition one is pretty bad. The reflex one is very very basic but atleast the ingredients it does have are at / above a clinical dose.I wouldn't take either as my pre workouts and supplements are high end and have much better ingredients Posted this for people who are newbies or want to stack with a pump formula.


BCAAs aren't useless if you're training fasted...
wakers8823/04/2020 19:17

Try Alpha Lion Superhuman and tell me again they are a waste and don't …Try Alpha Lion Superhuman and tell me again they are a waste and don't work. It sounds like you just haven't had a decent one yet.


Great pre workout that, did you try the limited edition? I got sent a mini 7 serving tub from them. Great brand.
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 19:18

Great pre workout that, did you try the limited edition? I got sent a mini …Great pre workout that, did you try the limited edition? I got sent a mini 7 serving tub from them. Great brand.


I'm on the normal superhuman at the moment (unicorn juice) currently stacking with komodo pump and candy gains mito burn.
Superb brand and cannot fault their products so far
Jordcrop23/04/2020 19:17

BCAAs aren't useless if you're training fasted...


No bcaa's are useless, get an EAA or just eat 25g of protein.

Think of a BCAA as trying to build a house with mud, sticks and rock. Sure you can build a house but wouldn't be as good as having all 9 of the essentials.

Bcaa is 3 amino
Eaa is 9, the full spectrum of essentials.
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 19:12

I think you may be abit misinformed I'm afraid. You've never had a decent …I think you may be abit misinformed I'm afraid. You've never had a decent one? A decent pre workout can really help your performance massively, especially a pump formula because it means my arms become vascular and a nice pump.I think we're two very different demographics, coffee will never beat dmha.And its perfectly safe, I've reviewed around 40 in the last 12 months and I'm fine.Happy to send you some samples of some decent pre workouts


Maybe I haven't had a good one haha. Which do you recommend? I may try it once more.
wakers8823/04/2020 19:20

I'm on the normal superhuman at the moment (unicorn juice) currently …I'm on the normal superhuman at the moment (unicorn juice) currently stacking with komodo pump and candy gains mito burn.Superb brand and cannot fault their products so far


Yeah decent pump formula that, doesn't last as long as vascumax
nag_sup23/04/2020 19:21

Maybe I haven't had a good one haha. Which do you recommend? I may try it …Maybe I haven't had a good one haha. Which do you recommend? I may try it once more.


The one i posted yesterday is pretty decent for £25 delivered, don't want you wasting £40 if it's not your cup of tea etc.

Strom sports nutrition do sell 5 serving tubs of stimumax black edition for like £6. Does take 20 minutes to kick in.

Alot of brands do sell terrible products and if you order from amazon then that might be your reason, long list of ingredients they don't allow.
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 19:21

Yeah decent pump formula that, doesn't last as long as vascumax


Might give that a go when I run out
wakers8823/04/2020 19:23

Might give that a go when I run out


Yeah it's decent fella, highly recommended stacking stimumax black edition, vascumax and a scoop of glycersize, felt like a balloon lol
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 19:21

No bcaa's are useless, get an EAA or just eat 25g of protein. Think of a …No bcaa's are useless, get an EAA or just eat 25g of protein. Think of a BCAA as trying to build a house with mud, sticks and rock. Sure you can build a house but wouldn't be as good as having all 9 of the essentials.Bcaa is 3 aminoEaa is 9, the full spectrum of essentials.


Don't think eating 25g of protein would work in a fast. I wouldn't buy BCAAs but saying they are useless in factually incorrect.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/151…s=5
Decrease in DOMS, increase in muscle protein synthesis.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/309…s=3

Meta analysis with a strong decrease in DOMS.
Jordcrop23/04/2020 19:31

Don't think eating 25g of protein would work in a fast. I wouldn't buy …Don't think eating 25g of protein would work in a fast. I wouldn't buy BCAAs but saying they are useless in factually incorrect.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15173434/?from_term=bcaa+supplementation&from_pos=5Decrease in DOMS, increase in muscle protein synthesis.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30938579/?from_term=bcaa+supplementation&from_pos=3Meta analysis with a strong decrease in DOMS.


An adequate protein intake will make bcaa 's (for the most part) useless and a eaa makes alot more sense.


fasting is actually abit flawed, it's great if you are using it to control your food intake to help be in a deficit. Most people eat before and right after training and their nutrition should render a bcaa near enough useless.



But fasting is bad if you are trying loose weight with decent muscle retention. The body has no long term store for protein unlike carbs and fats so it can help fasting with a eaa or a serving of protein every few hours during your fast. Obviously it defeats the term "fasting".

And 25g of protein will decrease doms much more than just bcaa's.
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Alot of these studies are done with people new to training, it is expected for bicep doms to not be felt after a few training sessions.
Alexcolvill23/04/2020 18:59

I must say I tried this once when it was £12.99 on Amazon I normally go …I must say I tried this once when it was £12.99 on Amazon I normally go for the optimum Nutrition one which is £17.99 but goes down to 12.99 on sale.. When I buy 3 tubs!Must say, this, although good, is not comparable to the optimum nutrition one.They also do a matching BCAA one, called "train and sustain" which I used for taekwondo lesson's and that works a treat too (you could use this one for running or cycling) It's so goo Infact, everyone's losing power at tyre end & I'm still going... - and I'm terribly unfit, have always been overweight and only started excersizing recently.. It's that good. Pre workout before weights obviously.Bcaas before cardio.I do not work for any fitness company just to say. After waxing lyrical you may think this is sponsored, haha. I'm actually, a Gardner...


You don't need BCAAs. Eat some protein instead.
Jordcrop23/04/2020 19:17

BCAAs aren't useless if you're training fasted...


Why wouldn't you just eat protein though? Both have calories...
Jordcrop23/04/2020 19:31

Don't think eating 25g of protein would work in a fast. I wouldn't buy …Don't think eating 25g of protein would work in a fast. I wouldn't buy BCAAs but saying they are useless in factually incorrect.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15173434/?from_term=bcaa+supplementation&from_pos=5Decrease in DOMS, increase in muscle protein synthesis.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30938579/?from_term=bcaa+supplementation&from_pos=3Meta analysis with a strong decrease in DOMS.


Listen to Jordan, he is well informed.
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 19:46

An adequate protein intake will make bcaa 's (for the most part) useless …An adequate protein intake will make bcaa 's (for the most part) useless and a eaa makes alot more sense. fasting is actually abit flawed, it's great if you are using it to control your food intake to help be in a deficit. Most people eat before and right after training and their nutrition should render a bcaa near enough useless. But fasting is bad if you are trying loose weight with decent muscle retention. The body has no long term store for protein unlike carbs and fats so it can help fasting with a eaa or a serving of protein every few hours during your fast. Obviously it defeats the term "fasting".And 25g of protein will decrease doms much more than just bcaa's.


Reading this gives me a headache, you contradict yourself. Please dont spread misinformation theres already enough going around as is. I have a sports science background in nutrition and muscle hypertrophy. Fasting is not necessarily bad for losing weight while maintaining muscle mass, to put it simply all that matters for weight loss while maintaing muscle mass is not being in too much of a calorie deficit, eating enough protein and resistance training. My point was that BCAAs have their place when training fasted due to the low amount ingested to increase muscle protein synthesis. This may be advantageous if you are trying to eat less calories before and during training.
b0arder2k923/04/2020 21:33

Listen to Jordan, he is well informed.


I don't think broscience counts as being well informed
Jordcrop23/04/2020 21:45

Reading this gives me a headache, you contradict yourself. Please dont …Reading this gives me a headache, you contradict yourself. Please dont spread misinformation theres already enough going around as is. I have a sports science background in nutrition and muscle hypertrophy. Fasting is not necessarily bad for losing weight while maintaining muscle mass, to put it simply all that matters for weight loss while maintaing muscle mass is not being in too much of a calorie deficit, eating enough protein and resistance training. My point was that BCAAs have their place when training fasted due to the low amount ingested to increase muscle protein synthesis. This may be advantageous if you are trying to eat less calories before and during training.


You and me both then bud .

The pennyfarthing had its place once, bcaa's are the past, why would you pick them over eaa's?

If you really want to spike muscle protein synthesis then you'd use 2.4g of velositol and 6.25g of whey hydrolysate which is minimal in callories as well.


My point about fasting is that it's flawed for those trying to keep as much muscle as possible.

Sure stop your carbs and fats for how many hours you like but they body has no long term store for protein so continuing your protein intake will be beneficial.

Besides any decent intra workout should have a decent amount of eaa's
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Jordcrop23/04/2020 21:46

I don't think broscience counts as being well informed


I don't think spouting "broscience" when you have a difference of opinion is the right way to go about things.

Its a big industry with many ways to hit the same nail on the head

All is good fella.
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Jordan_Taylor23/04/2020 21:52

You and me both then bud .The pennyfarthing had its place once, bcaa's …You and me both then bud .The pennyfarthing had its place once, bcaa's are the past, why would you pick them over eaa's? If you really want to spike muscle protein synthesis then you'd use 2.4g of velositol and 6.25g of whey hydrolysate which is minimal in callories as well. My point about fasting is that it's flawed for those trying to keep as much muscle as possible.Sure stop your carbs and fats for how many hours you like but they body has no long term store for protein so continuing your protein intake will be beneficial.Besides any decent intra workout should have a decent amount of eaa's


That one study on velositol is pretty misleading anyway, but since we don't need to back ourselves up and it doesnt really matter what i say I'll leave it there.
Jordcrop23/04/2020 22:44

That one study on velositol is pretty misleading anyway, but since we …That one study on velositol is pretty misleading anyway, but since we don't need to back ourselves up and it doesnt really matter what i say I'll leave it there.


*gets ruffled by difference of opinion and leaves discussion.

Its okay to have a difference of opinion.

You continue to recommend bcaa's, I'll continue to move people away to better alternatives.

I'll change my statement to BCAA's are effectively useless for most people when they use an adequate amount of protein in their diets.

In the use case of fasting then a eaa would be much better than a bcaa,

i personally don't advocate fasted training

I usually recommend a decent clean carb source that sits well in the gut like cream of rice or Karbolyn.

EAA's should be the industry norm by now, not bcaa's.
Edited by: "Jordan_Taylor" 23rd Apr
Jordcrop23/04/2020 21:46

I don't think broscience counts as being well informed


Dude, hilarious that you call it broscience. You realise BCAAs are a meme, the evidence based fitness community literally make memes about what you are suggesting. The fact you want to use BCAAs for fasting is hilarious and clearly shows a lack of basic understanding, one being that BCAAs still have most of the calories of protein and the other being that they are less effective, in every way compared to eating a whole protein or EAAs! The fact you talked about fasting at all raises all sorts of questions about where you get your "science" from. You realise following influencers and doing your own Googling isn't research, in any form.

Jordan has politely tried to educate you on this so you are more correct next time you talk about them but you've just ignored him. It's cool that you believe this stuff but harmful that you promote it as it just spreads misinformation so many just don't talk about the topic and all is fine.
b0arder2k924/04/2020 08:05

Dude, hilarious that you call it broscience. You realise BCAAs are a … Dude, hilarious that you call it broscience. You realise BCAAs are a meme, the evidence based fitness community literally make memes about what you are suggesting. The fact you want to use BCAAs for fasting is hilarious and clearly shows a lack of basic understanding, one being that BCAAs still have most of the calories of protein and the other being that they are less effective, in every way compared to eating a whole protein or EAAs! The fact you talked about fasting at all raises all sorts of questions about where you get your "science" from. You realise following influencers and doing your own Googling isn't research, in any form. Jordan has politely tried to educate you on this so you are more correct next time you talk about them but you've just ignored him. It's cool that you believe this stuff but harmful that you promote it as it just spreads misinformation so many just don't talk about the topic and all is fine.


Its quite funny that you think searching for peer reviewed journals on pubmed is googling, really shows how disconnected you are from the actuality of sports science research. I cant tell if I'm being memed on or if you both really are that ignorant and stubborn.

My original point was that BCAAs aren't entirely useless, there may be better products out there but they do have their (limited) uses. If you don't want BCAAs in your preworkout don't buy preworkout with BCAAs, or even better dont buy preworkout at all.

Fasting is a perfectly acceptable way of managing a calorie deficit when done 16:8. And carb fasting can increase fat oxidation, while the effect of this on body composition is debated, you can't argue that it can be useful for targeting substrate oxidation.
Jordcrop24/04/2020 09:05

Its quite funny that you think searching for peer reviewed journals on …Its quite funny that you think searching for peer reviewed journals on pubmed is googling, really shows how disconnected you are from the actuality of sports science research. I cant tell if I'm being memed on or if you both really are that ignorant and stubborn.My original point was that BCAAs aren't entirely useless, there may be better products out there but they do have their (limited) uses. If you don't want BCAAs in your preworkout don't buy preworkout with BCAAs, or even better dont buy preworkout at all.Fasting is a perfectly acceptable way of managing a calorie deficit when done 16:8. And carb fasting can increase fat oxidation, while the effect of this on body composition is debated, you can't argue that it can be useful for targeting substrate oxidation.


*Having a difference in opinion = ignorance *

As i said its okay to have a difference in opinion, its all a part of being an adult

The penny farthing isn't entirely useless...but it is really though isn't it for its use case.

Tbf i don't know any decent pre workouts with bcaa's in, most formulators aren't silly to waste scoop space with something which isn't needed. ( pre workout isn't needed but i prefer taking it because i like novelties and yohimbine and i get on well.)


Besides Mike Hockenberry funds alot of the positive studies on BCAA use

The only people who may benefit from BCAAs are those who do not get enough high quality protein. Outside of this, BCAA supplementation on top of a sufficient protein intake is useless.
training fasted vs not is very debatable in the effects which if in a scenario they are true, they are very marginal.

But sure i can advocate fasting for those who are struggling to control they're food intake
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Jordcrop24/04/2020 09:05

Its quite funny that you think searching for peer reviewed journals on …Its quite funny that you think searching for peer reviewed journals on pubmed is googling, really shows how disconnected you are from the actuality of sports science research. I cant tell if I'm being memed on or if you both really are that ignorant and stubborn.My original point was that BCAAs aren't entirely useless, there may be better products out there but they do have their (limited) uses. If you don't want BCAAs in your preworkout don't buy preworkout with BCAAs, or even better dont buy preworkout at all.Fasting is a perfectly acceptable way of managing a calorie deficit when done 16:8. And carb fasting can increase fat oxidation, while the effect of this on body composition is debated, you can't argue that it can be useful for targeting substrate oxidation.


Are you serious? Pubmed warrior but you show zero understanding of the basics. You sir, are a meme in itself. You write as if sports science for the last 20 years hasn't existed and quote niche studies for minute areas and ignore the huge caveats attached to them. Go drink some BCAAs...
b0arder2k924/04/2020 13:16

Are you serious? Pubmed warrior but you show zero understanding of the …Are you serious? Pubmed warrior but you show zero understanding of the basics. You sir, are a meme in itself. You write as if sports science for the last 20 years hasn't existed and quote niche studies for minute areas and ignore the huge caveats attached to them. Go drink some BCAAs...


Lmao okay mate, not quite sure how I dont understand the basics. In case you need me to say it one more time my only point was that BCAAs may not be entirely useless for some people, its not like anyone buys preworkout for the BCAAs anyway. Sorry if pubmed is too much for you next time I'll post a wikipedia link or a video by some "woke" youtuber
Jordcrop24/04/2020 13:31

Lmao okay mate, not quite sure how I dont understand the basics. In case …Lmao okay mate, not quite sure how I dont understand the basics. In case you need me to say it one more time my only point was that BCAAs may not be entirely useless for some people, its not like anyone buys preworkout for the BCAAs anyway. Sorry if pubmed is too much for you next time I'll post a wikipedia link or a video by some "woke" youtuber


Lmao nice try at... Repeating my insult but back at me? Smart mate, nice one. Sums you up nicely.
b0arder2k924/04/2020 18:11

Lmao nice try at... Repeating my insult but back at me? Smart mate, nice …Lmao nice try at... Repeating my insult but back at me? Smart mate, nice one. Sums you up nicely.


I'm not sure what you want from me, you won't explain why I don't know the basics, nor do you seem to grasp what I'm actually saying. Im guessing the 2k9 in your name is the year you were born? Guess it would make sense with you liking your own comments. I hope one day you learn how these youtubers actually get this information (the well informed ones anyway), but unfortunately i cannot argue with a child all day, i have a thesis to write.
Jordcrop24/04/2020 18:21

I'm not sure what you want from me, you won't explain why I don't know the …I'm not sure what you want from me, you won't explain why I don't know the basics, nor do you seem to grasp what I'm actually saying. Im guessing the 2k9 in your name is the year you were born? Guess it would make sense with you liking your own comments. I hope one day you learn how these youtubers actually get this information (the well informed ones anyway), but unfortunately i cannot argue with a child all day, i have a thesis to write.


Did you have to Google "thesis"? Good job, you've provided huge entertainment. Thank you. And remember, drink your BCAAs.
b0arder2k924/04/2020 19:38

Did you have to Google "thesis"? Good job, …Did you have to Google "thesis"? Good job, you've provided huge entertainment. Thank you. And remember, drink your BCAAs.


No worries mate, if you ever do want to look into nutrition I would suggest this as a starting point: amazon.co.uk/Goo…8-1
Jordcrop24/04/2020 23:04

No worries mate, if you ever do want to look into nutrition I would …No worries mate, if you ever do want to look into nutrition I would suggest this as a starting point: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Enough-Eat-Guide-Nutrition/dp/0064451747/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=kids+nutrition+book&qid=1587765774&sprefix=kids+nutri&sr=8-1


Haha, sorry. I thought you were an adult so I apologise for hurting your feelings and when you're older I'm sure you'll learn some more. Sorry kid, I hope it has pop up pictures for you, I guess one of them is someone drinking some BCAAs
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