Refurb ThinkPad X1 Carbon V2 Core i7-4600U 2.10GHz 240 GB SSD Pro Ultrabook £399 @  Tier 1 Online/ebay
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Refurb ThinkPad X1 Carbon V2 Core i7-4600U 2.10GHz 240 GB SSD Pro Ultrabook £399 @ Tier 1 Online/ebay

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Found 10th Jun 2016
Looks like a good deal for a Lenovo Ultra thin X1 Carbon ultralight laptop.
Good spec for the price

Processor Intel® Core™ i7-4600U Processor
Memory 8GB RAM Soldiered onto the motherboard so no upgrade available
Hard Drive 240GB SSD
Optical Drive NONE
Display 14.0" HD+ (1600x900), 260nit
Graphics Intel® HD Graphics 4400
Navigation TrackPoint® and 5 Button trackpad
Weight Starting at 2.8 lbs
Webcam 1.3MP
Battery 8 Cell 46Wh
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What an abomination, just look at those trackpad buttons/keyboard. It doesn't deserve to call itself a Thinkpad.
Edited by: "SUMMONER" 10th Jun 2016
Interestingly to get it at that price, select Windows 8, Home or Business.
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windows 8 - Home
relaxedasever

windows 8 - Home



The same price applies to both versions of this machine.
what do you mean summoner?
Lovely thin, light laptop. Top spec, decent price if in good condition.
yaszq2001

what do you mean summoner?



If I were to guess...The keyboards of the early Thinkpads were perhaps the best laptop keyboard you could use - and proper shaped keys. A delight to touch type on. I also used to appreciate that it was designed to survive liquid spills - there were drainage holes built in. The mouse buttons were similarly chunky - almost levers really - but good positive action and well designed. Further, it was possible to get spare parts for practically all of it and DIY those fixes.

Still at least the red mouse nipple survives. My ideal laptop would probably be an old school Thinkpad design with modern processor, screen, fan less design etc - and running OSX.
Having used all generations of the Thinkpad Carbon X1 lineup, I do not recommend this specific generation at all. The capactive function keys are a pain to use, and the trackpad design is poor, the 1st gen or the 3rd gen have better build quality. The keyboard is also very weak coming from a thinkpad lineup. Furthermore, maintenance is a pain on this line up.

Edited by: "fire_emblem" 10th Jun 2016
Agree it a horrible trackpad - it's like the T series - T430 good, T440 bad, T450 good again. I am using 2x T430 at the moment (employer and customer site) and got my daughter a T450.
x1 are amazing laptops. i had v1 v2 and v3. However I prefer the v1 and v3 as they have physical F keys where v2 has touch buttons and doesnt have physical mouse buttons which can be annoying. they have rectified both on the v3.
gen 1
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SUMMONER

What an abomination, just look at those trackpad buttons/keyboard. It … What an abomination, just look at those trackpad buttons/keyboard. It doesn't deserve to call itself a Thinkpad.


Well it's not is it? Real thinkpads stopped being made must be over ten years now.
And they used to be made of titanium. A real expensive but lightweight metal. Look at the fuss nowadays when they are made of aluminium. At least this one is apparently carbon fibre, though I don't personally think it will compare well with titanium
Are thinkpad a good make , relaiable well built? Never heard of them!
I'm lumbered with the V2 at work and it's the bain of my life. If you use F keys (I do a lot) then definitely avoid this version.
jasee

Well it's not is it? Real thinkpads stopped being made must be over … Well it's not is it? Real thinkpads stopped being made must be over ten years now.And they used to be made of titanium. A real expensive but lightweight metal. Look at the fuss nowadays when they are made of aluminium. At least this one is apparently carbon fibre, though I don't personally think it will compare well with titanium



It was never titanium alone, it was titanium composite (which was some titanium and carbon-fibre mix) which should be similar to what they use now. Though it looks and feels plastic, it's far from it - more stiffer and solid.
fire_emblem

Having used all generations of the Thinkpad Carbon X1 lineup, I do not … Having used all generations of the Thinkpad Carbon X1 lineup, I do not recommend this specific generation at all. The capactive function keys are a pain to use, and the trackpad design is poor, the 1st gen or the 3rd gen have better build quality. The keyboard is also very weak coming from a thinkpad lineup. Furthermore, maintenance is a pain on this line up.



Couldn't have said it better myself. It's completely rubbish. Would avoid this
adamwilko007

Are thinkpad a good make , relaiable well built? Never heard of them!


Personally, I think they are the best there is, though my experience is based on 20+ years of employer-provided T series - they are pretty expensive. I have noticed the build quality has fallen a little in the years since they were made by Lenovo. Prior to that, they were bullet proof and made by IBM, until they sold the PC business to Lenovo. I also had a refurb X61s for my daughter which was replaced with a T450 from ebay (new, very good spec 8GB RAM and an SSD for £500 - with 3 year warranty). Also an E520 for younger daughter, but this is i3-2nnn, cheaper and less impressive.

Edited by: "juniper" 10th Jun 2016
I picked up an X230 (i5-3320M) for £190 including a back-lit keyboard a couple of months ago, and still with under Lenovo warranty until the end of the year. Lovely machine, just getting used to the keyboard. I love the Thinkpad, just can't afford a brand new one!
juniper

Agree it a horrible trackpad - it's like the T series - T430 good, T440 … Agree it a horrible trackpad - it's like the T series - T430 good, T440 bad, T450 good again. I am using 2x T430 at the moment (employer and customer site) and got my daughter a T450.


And I'm typing on my T440 - the missing buttons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was one of the key things I look at when buying a laptop and tell others to try it. Not sure if I've ever used the 'nipple' in 10 years plus of having one!
plewis00

It was never titanium alone, it was titanium composite (which was some … It was never titanium alone, it was titanium composite (which was some titanium and carbon-fibre mix) which should be similar to what they use now. Though it looks and feels plastic, it's far from it - more stiffer and solid.


I don't remember any carbon-fibre being in the IBM of 10 plus ago! (if that is what you are saying) Some parts were plastic
There is a total difference between a metal such as titanium and carbon-fibre.
I don't think any titanium is used noways in these models.
relaxedasever

windows 8 - Home


Free Win 10 upgrade available still from MicroSloth
adamwilko007

Are thinkpad a good make , relaiable well built? Never heard of them!


LENOVO is the Chinese manufacturer.
THINKPAD is the model.
W_jelly1

And I'm typing on my T440 - the missing buttons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was one … And I'm typing on my T440 - the missing buttons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! was one of the key things I look at when buying a laptop and tell others to try it. Not sure if I've ever used the 'nipple' in 10 years plus of having one!


I mostly use a stand (much better for posture / neck ache / back ache) and therefore an external keyboard and mouse, but if I do use it away from a stand, I always use the TrackPoint nipple and hate the TrackPad! That is why I love ThinkPads so much. I keep the TrackPad disabled in settings
juniper

...I always use the TrackPoint nipple and hate the TrackPad! That is why … ...I always use the TrackPoint nipple and hate the TrackPad! That is why I love ThinkPads so much. I keep the TrackPad disabled in settings


Yes, another TrackPoint fan. Hardly ever us the pad. Same on HP Elitebooks and Dell Latitude. On the smaller ThinkPads (X220 for example) I generally also disable the TrackPad in the BIOS so it doesn't activate if I use the laptop slouched on seat.
When using a computer having to take my hand of the keyboard to use the mouse seems like such an unergonomic thing to do that occasionally I've looked for desktop keyboard with a trackpoint but it seems only Lenovo do those and they are £50+.
I know TrackPoint can be considered old-fashioned (as can the whole black look of ThinkPads), but that's fine with me.
/rant/
Just wish Microsoft weren't so keen to hide keyboard shortcuts. Since XP every OS I install I've had to enable the keyboard shortcuts and menu. The latest Win10 Windows Explorer is particularly bad where changing views has changed from Alt-V, D to Alt-V,L, cursor key which is just typical
/rant/
SUMMONER

What an abomination, just look at those trackpad buttons/keyboard. It … What an abomination, just look at those trackpad buttons/keyboard. It doesn't deserve to call itself a Thinkpad.


This might be disturbing confession but I actually happen to like it oO
And when it comes to Tier1 I bought two laptops from them and both were in great condition (better than described) and both batteries I got still power my laptop for 3-6 hours.
jasee

I don't remember any carbon-fibre being in the IBM of 10 plus ago! (if … I don't remember any carbon-fibre being in the IBM of 10 plus ago! (if that is what you are saying) Some parts were plasticThere is a total difference between a metal such as titanium and carbon-fibre.I don't think any titanium is used noways in these models.



I said 'titanium composite', which is a blend of titanium and carbon-fibre, so it won't look like either (silver metal or carbon weave) but more like plastic. It may also have been known as CFRP (carbon-fibre reinforced plastic) with titanium components but this has been used back to early 2000s in the T and X-series machines.
plewis00

I said 'titanium composite', which is a blend of titanium and … I said 'titanium composite', which is a blend of titanium and carbon-fibre, so it won't look like either (silver metal or carbon weave) but more like plastic. It may also have been known as CFRP (carbon-fibre reinforced plastic) with titanium components but this has been used back to early 2000s in the T and X-series machines.


Can't say I've ever seen any of those. The ones I saw were obviously titanium metal which had a coating of plastic of the outside. Carbon reinforced plastic is something else, like glass reinforced plastic but stronger.
Gkains

Yes, another TrackPoint fan. Hardly ever us the pad. Same on HP … Yes, another TrackPoint fan. Hardly ever us the pad. Same on HP Elitebooks and Dell Latitude. On the smaller ThinkPads (X220 for example) I generally also disable the TrackPad in the BIOS so it doesn't activate if I use the laptop slouched on seat.When using a computer having to take my hand of the keyboard to use the mouse seems like such an unergonomic thing to do that occasionally I've looked for desktop keyboard with a trackpoint but it seems only Lenovo do those and they are £50+.I know TrackPoint can be considered old-fashioned (as can the whole black look of ThinkPads), but that's fine with me./rant/Just wish Microsoft weren't so keen to hide keyboard shortcuts. Since XP every OS I install I've had to enable the keyboard shortcuts and menu. The latest Win10 Windows Explorer is particularly bad where changing views has changed from Alt-V, D to Alt-V,L, cursor key which is just typical/rant/



Do you mean these shortcuts changed in Edge browser or Internet Explorer? Both of which are installed as standard in Windows 10 (for those that didn't know). I've never used those shortcuts so I'm interested as to how they're used and how helpful they are.
Literally typing on the same model now (the photo on the ebay listing suggests this has actually come from my company - a large accountancy - as they use the exact same remember to lock your screen sticker).

Trackpad is terrible, fans get loud when doing virtually anything (this might be as a result of my firm's bloatware I'm not sure) and the F keys are nigh-on unusable.

Edit: also screen has absolutely atrocious viewing angles, terrible for trying to watch iplayer in bed.

Edited by: "Cameron92" 10th Jun 2016
jasee

Well it's not is it? Real thinkpads stopped being made must be over … Well it's not is it? Real thinkpads stopped being made must be over ten years now.And they used to be made of titanium. A real expensive but lightweight metal. Look at the fuss nowadays when they are made of aluminium. At least this one is apparently carbon fibre, though I don't personally think it will compare well with titanium



The biggest travesty was them getting rid of the original Thinkpad keyboards which were brilliant to type on. Instead, they've got this AccuType crap which are awful in comparison
fishmaster

Do you mean these shortcuts changed in Edge browser or Internet Explorer? … Do you mean these shortcuts changed in Edge browser or Internet Explorer? Both of which are installed as standard in Windows 10 (for those that didn't know). I've never used those shortcuts so I'm interested as to how they're used and how helpful they are.


Oh, no I mean the standard Windows Explorer shortcuts, something like this:
https://alssl.askleomedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/win7explorerviewdetailsmenu.png
That one shows the accelerator key for bringing down the View menu (Alt-V) but does not show that Details is actually Details which meant that Alt-V, D changed the view from icons etc. to Details. That's been there since forever *checks old VM of Win98SE*. Yes, Win98 had it. With Win8 Microsoft changed it for that ribbon toolbar. Now Alt-V gets you the View ribbon, then 'L' gets you the pane with the type of view you want, then using the cursor keys to find 'Details' then press Return. A lot more work and it's pretty much the same for every keyboard shortcuts.

As for my quest to get a keyboard with TrackPoint, I now remember another thing against ThinkPad USB keyboard aside from price: no numeric keypad:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/~/media/Images/ContentImages/t/tp_compactusb_kb_0b47190.ashx
Guess that makes it very compact
W_jelly1

Not sure if I've ever used the 'nipple' in 10 years plus of having one!



You are a monster.
jasee

Can't say I've ever seen any of those. The ones I saw were obviously … Can't say I've ever seen any of those. The ones I saw were obviously titanium metal which had a coating of plastic of the outside. Carbon reinforced plastic is something else, like glass reinforced plastic but stronger.



There was the Z61t which might have had 'metal' on display with a silver-lid but it was short-lived. I don't think Lenovo or IBM ever used exposed metal commonly on their machines other than the stainless steel hinges. CFRP might be the titanium composite they mentioned before (CFRP reinforced with titanium backing) - they were quite secretive about what it actually was and most people just assumed their machines were black plastic.
No physical mouse buttons?

What were they thinking?!
plewis00

There was the Z61t which might have had 'metal' on display with a … There was the Z61t which might have had 'metal' on display with a silver-lid but it was short-lived. I don't think Lenovo or IBM ever used exposed metal commonly on their machines other than the stainless steel hinges. CFRP might be the titanium composite they mentioned before (CFRP reinforced with titanium backing) - they were quite secretive about what it actually was and most people just assumed their machines were black plastic.


And on some of them, the plastic had a strange self-healing property so it would look worn next to the TrackPad, but gradually get better. Must have been back in the old IBM days. T700?
juniper

I mostly use a stand (much better for posture / neck ache / back ache) … I mostly use a stand (much better for posture / neck ache / back ache) and therefore an external keyboard and mouse, but if I do use it away from a stand, I always use the TrackPoint nipple and hate the TrackPad! That is why I love ThinkPads so much. I keep the TrackPad disabled in settings



Same. I can't stand touchpads in general. I've mostly had Thinkpads (to use the trackpoint), but when I've had a laptop with only a touchpad, I always bring a mouse wherever I go with it.
I'm unreservedly a nipple man. It just so happens that I also prefer the TrackPoint.
I'm currently using a X1 Carbon v3 - keys are certainly as good as my Macbook's. However, the touchpad is pretty awful.

As has been mentioned, watch out for the capacitive function keys on this (v2) generation - I've heard from many colleagues that these can be a pain.
Not 1080p mind
cold ,pascal and polaris laptops in bound to destroy all laptop gming power
Not sure which version I had but the screen hinges were prone to breaking on the X1 Carbon and the only way to repair was to have a new screen fitted. Also, I have had a couple of bad experiences with Tier 1. I bought several 2.5" SAS drives supposedly refurbished which my server reported bad immediately! A lengthy process to get replacements and appauling communications from a company I had used numerous times before. Never again!
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