Refurbished Dell i5 4570 & P2214H 22" TFT Screen inc warranty & delivery. £188.10 @ itzoo
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Refurbished Dell i5 4570 & P2214H 22" TFT Screen inc warranty & delivery. £188.10 @ itzoo

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Found 1st FebEdited by:"edgeone"
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Cracking computer in small form factor for the money.

A Grade Refurbished PC
Dell Optiplex 3020SFF
Intel i5-4570 4th Generation 3.20GHz
Dell P2214HB 22" TFT
4GB DDR3
500GB Sata
DVDRW
Intel HD 4600
UK Qwerty Keyboard & Mouse
Windows 10 Home Premium 64 Bit
12 Month Warranty
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    Sleightbuzz6 m ago

    There’s no solid state drive...


    For 188 quid i wasnt expecting SSD to be honest.
    Original Poster
    Sleightbuzz1 m ago

    There’s no solid state drive...


    Correct
    Things missing from this PC:
    1.Unicorn
    2. Fluffy dice
    3. Quantum processor with infinity bits bus
    4. I Love Trump sticker
    5. Crystal ball module for predicting when windows updates will arrive..
    48 Comments
    There’s no solid state drive...
    Original Poster
    Sleightbuzz1 m ago

    There’s no solid state drive...


    Correct
    Sleightbuzz6 m ago

    There’s no solid state drive...


    For 188 quid i wasnt expecting SSD to be honest.
    Much better all-in-one computers on the site that are much cheaper than this (and include SSD!) Just a matter of checking the site every so often as they sell out very quick.
    Edited by: "tvlovesme" 1st Feb
    snoopy889 m ago

    For 188 quid i wasnt expecting SSD to be honest.


    It’s a refurb
    Original Poster
    tvlovesme10 m ago

    Much better all-in-one computers on the site that are much cheaper than …Much better all-in-one computers on the site that are much cheaper than this (and include SSD!) Just a matter of checking the site every so often as they sell out very quick.


    The Dell all in ones are a similar spec and similar price. IMO, the generic all in ones you are referring to look hideous.
    no 10 series gpu
    bobo5310 m ago

    no 10 series gpu


    Wouldn't fit in the case or psu wouldn't be sufficient unless it's a 1050ti
    i WONDER IF YOU COULD FIT A GFX CARD using a riser cable and laying it flat ...(at 90 deg to normal)?
    Great deal, gutted that I already purchased a new monitor for my mom, could have upgraded the PC at this price after old monitor died.:)
    GwanGy11 m ago

    i WONDER IF YOU COULD FIT A GFX CARD using a riser cable and laying it …i WONDER IF YOU COULD FIT A GFX CARD using a riser cable and laying it flat ...(at 90 deg to normal)?


    You can quite often fit "low profile" cards into these small form factor PCs. The goto card for many people has been the low profile 750ti. The problem you have with these PCs is the small power supplys (often only about 240W) which can't support powerful cards.
    Edited by: "ChrisRX" 1st Feb
    GwanGy42 m ago

    i WONDER IF YOU COULD FIT A GFX CARD using a riser cable and laying it …i WONDER IF YOU COULD FIT A GFX CARD using a riser cable and laying it flat ...(at 90 deg to normal)?


    some specific cases out there that do precisely that (Silverstone Razor for e.g.) - in this case though what are you going to attach it to once you get the ribbon to reposition it and that is before consideration on airflow and psu requirements.
    ChrisRX42 m ago

    You can quite often fit "low profile" cards into these small form factor …You can quite often fit "low profile" cards into these small form factor PCs. The goto card for many people has been the low profile 750ti. The problem you have with these PCs is the small power supplys (often only about 240W) which can't support powerful cards.


    Most (or all?) 1050Ti cards only use the pcie slot power, no additional connection needed...
    DingIs36 m ago

    Most (or all?) 1050Ti cards only use the pcie slot power, no additional …Most (or all?) 1050Ti cards only use the pcie slot power, no additional connection needed...



    Most (or all?) 1050 Ti cards stipulate a 300 watts PSU which this machine does not have.

    That 300watts is to give them contingency - although if I am not mistaken this was 225 watts or 25% under the recommendation.

    CPU and GPU you have recommended brings us to 170watts - this psu isn't going to be bronze rated - so even giving 80% efficiency you are within 10 watts of the limit before considering the draw of anything else in the system. Would concern me being that close over although love the sound they make when they trip.
    Edited by: "Bertz99" 1st Feb
    tvlovesme2 h, 55 m ago

    Much better all-in-one computers on the site that are much cheaper than …Much better all-in-one computers on the site that are much cheaper than this (and include SSD!) Just a matter of checking the site every so often as they sell out very quick.


    the outlet store is updated at 2:45pm and 7:30 every day
    edgeone3 h, 4 m ago

    The Dell all in ones are a similar spec and similar price. IMO, the …The Dell all in ones are a similar spec and similar price. IMO, the generic all in ones you are referring to look hideous.


    I'm keeping an eye out for a deal on the Dell XPS 27, now that's a nice all in one.
    Sleightbuzz3 h, 58 m ago

    It’s a refurb


    Still wouldn't expect SSD refurbed at that price
    Bertz992 h, 36 m ago

    Most (or all?) 1050 Ti cards stipulate a 300 watts PSU which this machine …Most (or all?) 1050 Ti cards stipulate a 300 watts PSU which this machine does not have.That 300watts is to give them contingency - although if I am not mistaken this was 225 watts or 25% under the recommendation.CPU and GPU you have recommended brings us to 170watts - this psu isn't going to be bronze rated - so even giving 80% efficiency you are within 10 watts of the limit before considering the draw of anything else in the system. Would concern me being that close over although love the sound they make when they trip.


    I did not recommend anything....
    DingIs36 m ago

    I did not recommend anything....

    If intentional or not some reading "1050Ti cards only use the pcie slot power, no additional connection needed" in the context of this machine and its power requirements isn't the complete picture - hence I have added some meat to ChrisRX message so others less informed would not take your quote above as advocating this route as viable without thinking it through fully.
    Things missing from this PC:
    1.Unicorn
    2. Fluffy dice
    3. Quantum processor with infinity bits bus
    4. I Love Trump sticker
    5. Crystal ball module for predicting when windows updates will arrive..
    this gone now? showing £230 for me before the code, so with the 10% code would be 207, or am i missing something?

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    EDIT: NOOB alert, It was dearer because i was accidentally selecting windows pro instead of windows home.
    Edited by: "michaeljb" 2nd Feb
    Just subscribed to their newsletter. How long before the first one arrives? Need a 10% discount sooner rather than later
    Bertz991st Feb

    If intentional or not some reading "1050Ti cards only use the pcie slot …If intentional or not some reading "1050Ti cards only use the pcie slot power, no additional connection needed" in the context of this machine and its power requirements isn't the complete picture - hence I have added some meat to ChrisRX message so others less informed would not take your quote above as advocating this route as viable without thinking it through fully.


    Where did you find the PSU power?
    Original Poster
    DominikB1 h, 29 m ago

    Just subscribed to their newsletter. How long before the first one …Just subscribed to their newsletter. How long before the first one arrives? Need a 10% discount sooner rather than later


    Code is NewCustomer
    DingIs1 h, 35 m ago

    Where did you find the PSU power?



    I might have misread 255w as 225w now double checking - still be too close for comfort for me on a 1050ti

    part number is 0YH9D7 H255ES-00
    Edited by: "Bertz99" 2nd Feb
    michaeljb5 h, 59 m ago

    this gone now? showing £230 for me before the code, so with the 10% code …this gone now? showing £230 for me before the code, so with the 10% code would be 207, or am i missing something?[Image]


    It come with windows 10 home premium for £209 and there is an option to upgrade to Windows 10 professional for extra £20 and thats why yours showing £229.

    If you happy with windows 10 home premium under the option for windiws 10 pro just leave it blank.
    Edited by: "Zanne" 2nd Feb
    Zanne3 m ago

    It come with windows 10 home premium for £209 and there is an option to …It come with windows 10 home premium for £209 and there is an option to upgrade to Windows 10 professional for extra £20 and thats why yours showing £229.If you happy with windows 10 home premium under the option for windiws 10 pro just leave it blank.


    thx, as there is nothing initially listed i thought i had to select windows 10 from the list.
    Bertz9918 h, 31 m ago

    Most (or all?) 1050 Ti cards stipulate a 300 watts PSU which this machine …Most (or all?) 1050 Ti cards stipulate a 300 watts PSU which this machine does not have.That 300watts is to give them contingency - although if I am not mistaken this was 225 watts or 25% under the recommendation.CPU and GPU you have recommended brings us to 170watts - this psu isn't going to be bronze rated - so even giving 80% efficiency you are within 10 watts of the limit before considering the draw of anything else in the system. Would concern me being that close over although love the sound they make when they trip.



    Bertz998 h, 48 m ago

    I might have misread 255w as 225w now double checking - still be too close …I might have misread 255w as 225w now double checking - still be too close for comfort for me on a 1050ti part number is 0YH9D7 H255ES-00



    PCIE slots only put through 75 watts max, that's all they are capable of whatever the GPU wants to take.

    Also, I think you're assuming the wrong meaning for 80% efficiency... a 250W PSU has an output of 250 watts, not input. (a 250 watt PSU will take 312watts from the wall socket and put out 250 watts losing that 20% in heat, not a 250w PSU putting out 250 x 80%=200 watts)
    DingIs1 h, 21 m ago

    PCIE slots only put through 75 watts max, that's all they are capable of …PCIE slots only put through 75 watts max, that's all they are capable of whatever the GPU wants to take.Also, I think you're assuming the wrong meaning for 80% efficiency... a 250W PSU has an output of 250 watts, not input. (a 250 watt PSU will take 312watts from the wall socket and put out 250 watts losing that 20% in heat, not a 250w PSU putting out 250 x 80%=200 watts)



    You are correct on draw but miss something slightly obvious in that equation. Being old school the rule of thumb in working out your PSU requirement was to figure out component requirements and then double it to be operating in the best envelope that the PSU is designed for.

    As you move forward to the bronze, gold and platinum era that same over estimate is still advisable as whilst you are correct the draw increase and the by product is the lose of heat the psu is also being stressed beyond its recommended operationing window and will have a direct correlation on its usable lifespan. Although I hate car analogies I can't think of a better one than comparing to continuously redlining an engine.

    In relation to NVidia's recommendations:

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    Edited by: "Bertz99" 2nd Feb
    Bertz991 h, 55 m ago

    You are correct on draw but miss something slightly obvious in that …You are correct on draw but miss something slightly obvious in that equation. Being old school the rule of thumb in working out your PSU requirement was to figure out component requirements and then double it to be operating in the best envelope that the PSU is designed for.As you move forward to the bronze, gold and platinum era that same over estimate is still advisable as whilst you are correct the draw increase and the by product is the lose of heat the psu is also being stressed beyond its recommended operationing window and will have a direct correlation on its usable lifespan. Although I hate car analogies I can't think of a better one than comparing to continuously redlining an engine.In relation to NVidia's recommendations:[Image]



    Old school is old school, it is no longer a good idea to get a double-power PSU, you're not running it properly or efficiently.
    DingIs1 h, 16 m ago

    Old school is old school, it is no longer a good idea to get a …Old school is old school, it is no longer a good idea to get a double-power PSU, you're not running it properly or efficiently.


    Correct, and I don't as PSU's have moved forward in the design of their operating windows. However there is still an efficiency window to be considered which you incorrectly assumed my understanding whilst demonstrating your own lack of:
    DingIs4 h, 26 m ago

    Also, I think you're assuming the wrong meaning for 80% efficiency... a …Also, I think you're assuming the wrong meaning for 80% efficiency... a 250W PSU has an output of 250 watts, not input. (a 250 watt PSU will take 312watts from the wall socket and put out 250 watts losing that 20% in heat, not a 250w PSU putting out 250 x 80%=200 watts)


    If you choose wish to run a 250w psu at 250w feel free - I personally wouldn't recommend it.

    Btw this PSU isn't even at bronze standard - it also does not have a standard pin out or follow the standard format to make replacement to something more powerful a straight forward option.

    Anyway as enlightening as this hasn't been there is enough meat in here for the uninitiated to determine all they need.
    Bertz995 m ago

    Correct, and I don't as PSU's have moved forward in the design of their …Correct, and I don't as PSU's have moved forward in the design of their operating windows. However there is still an efficiency window to be considered which you incorrectly assumed my understanding whilst demonstrating your own lack of:If you choose wish to run a 250w psu at 250w feel free - I personally wouldn't recommend it.Btw this PSU isn't even at bronze standard - it also does not have a standard pin out or follow the standard format to make replacement to something more powerful a straight forward option.Anyway as enlightening as this hasn't been there is enough meat in here for the uninitiated to determine all they need.


    Please go look at efficiency curves for PSUs, they are pretty efficient between 30% and 90% load, the curve is quite flat once they're going.

    It wouldn't fit in the SFF case anyway, but it would power it.
    I have similar ex-office based machine with 8GB. Stuck an SSD in and an Nvidia 1030 GT. Perfectly servicable.
    jamgin22 h, 36 m ago

    Things missing from this PC:1.Unicorn2. Fluffy dice3. Quantum processor …Things missing from this PC:1.Unicorn2. Fluffy dice3. Quantum processor with infinity bits bus4. I Love Trump sticker5. Crystal ball module for predicting when windows updates will arrive..


    Lol
    The i5 and a 1050t.i. will pull under 150 watts under gaming loads actually so the dell 255 watt sff in that unit will be o.k. for a year or so but its advisable to get something aftermarket.
    Nvidia's recommendation encompasses older 8 core cpu's which need another 50 watts.
    You can get a 1050t.i. in small form factor.
    joe_shmoe37 m ago

    The i5 and a 1050t.i. will pull under 150 watts under gaming loads …The i5 and a 1050t.i. will pull under 150 watts under gaming loads actually so the dell 255 watt sff in that unit will be o.k. for a year or so but its advisable to get something aftermarket. Nvidia's recommendation encompasses older 8 core cpu's which need another 50 watts.You can get a 1050t.i. in small form factor.


    Agree with you that they are placing some scope to cover themselves.

    But specifying what this could draw machine you have the following:
    CPU 85 Watts
    GPU 66 Watts
    Mobo 40 Watts
    DVD 30 Watts
    Memory 3 Watts
    Fan 1 Watt

    coolermaster.com/pow…or/ also errs on the side of caution.

    Machine itself was never specified as a gaming machine and whilst you may be lucky and get a couple of years you may also be not be so lucky. The concern of course being heat into those electrolyte Chinese capacitors working at their upper limits. In this situation the lifespan is quoted in days not even months and the algorithm used to predict is Arrhenius. Of course on failure in cheaper PSU's working beyond their specification the results can be legendary with not just a PSU failure.
    Bertz992 h, 19 m ago

    Agree with you that they are placing some scope to cover themselves.But …Agree with you that they are placing some scope to cover themselves.But specifying what this could draw machine you have the following:CPU 85 WattsGPU 66 WattsMobo 40 WattsDVD 30 WattsMemory 3 WattsFan 1 Watthttp://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/ also errs on the side of caution.Machine itself was never specified as a gaming machine and whilst you may be lucky and get a couple of years you may also be not be so lucky. The concern of course being heat into those electrolyte Chinese capacitors working at their upper limits. In this situation the lifespan is quoted in days not even months and the algorithm used to predict is Arrhenius. Of course on failure in cheaper PSU's working beyond their specification the results can be legendary with not just a PSU failure.



    Bertz992 h, 19 m ago

    Agree with you that they are placing some scope to cover themselves.But …Agree with you that they are placing some scope to cover themselves.But specifying what this could draw machine you have the following:CPU 85 WattsGPU 66 WattsMobo 40 WattsDVD 30 WattsMemory 3 WattsFan 1 Watthttp://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/ also errs on the side of caution.Machine itself was never specified as a gaming machine and whilst you may be lucky and get a couple of years you may also be not be so lucky. The concern of course being heat into those electrolyte Chinese capacitors working at their upper limits. In this situation the lifespan is quoted in days not even months and the algorithm used to predict is Arrhenius. Of course on failure in cheaper PSU's working beyond their specification the results can be legendary with not just a PSU failure.


    Agreed. I would buy a recommended wattage tier 2 power supply if I put a graphics card in it.
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