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Ports & Slots – Small Form Factor 1. Power button | 2. Optional SD Media Card Reader | 3. Universal Audio Jack | 4. USB 2.0 ports | 5. USB 3.1 Gen 1 ports | 6. Line out | 7. HDMI 1.4 | 8. DisplayPort 1.2 | 9. Serial Port | 10. USB 3.1 Gen 1 ports | 11. RJ-45 | 12. USB 2.0 ports | 13. Optional platinum 92% efficient PSU

Dimensions & Weight Small Form Factor: 1. Width 9.26cm (3.7") | 2. Depth 29.2cm (11.5") | 3. Height 29.0cm (11.4") | Minimum Weight 5.14 kg (11.31 lbs)
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monitor110/10/2019 11:20

Optical drive is faulty.


First thing I mentioned in description, also mentioned twice in image
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Optical drive is faulty.
monitor110/10/2019 11:20

Optical drive is faulty.


First thing I mentioned in description, also mentioned twice in image
Can anyone find me a server? Can't find any on cashback offers.
Optical drive is faulty but it's not the end of the world. Happy to give this a whirl for £162.
Would sticking a dedicated GPU and upgrading the ram be worthwhile for something like this? Thanks in advance.
Dal2210/10/2019 11:31

Optical drive is faulty but it's not the end of the world. Happy to give …Optical drive is faulty but it's not the end of the world. Happy to give this a whirl for £162.


Who uses an optical drive today? Honest question. When we sell laptops we done with we always list the optical drives if included but sell as untested as we don't have disks around.


HassanHussain10/10/2019 11:39

Would sticking a dedicated GPU and upgrading the ram be worthwhile for …Would sticking a dedicated GPU and upgrading the ram be worthwhile for something like this? Thanks in advance.


Yes but you'd need a low-profile GPU (expensive and hard to find) so you're better off with a mini/midi tower not an SFF unit.
plewis0010/10/2019 11:42

Who uses an optical drive today? Honest question. When we sell laptops we …Who uses an optical drive today? Honest question. When we sell laptops we done with we always list the optical drives if included but sell as untested as we don't have disks around. Yes but you'd need a low-profile GPU (expensive and hard to find) so you're better off with a mini/midi tower not an SFF unit.


Some of ustill burn cd’s and dvd’s
Stillahibby10/10/2019 11:49

Some of ustill burn cd’s and dvd’s


Then a £10 USB DVD writer can sort that out if you need that feature.
Stillahibby10/10/2019 11:49

Some of ustill burn cd’s and dvd’s


Always good to backup Stillahibby. I remember having a 30GB HDD that was almost full of filth, only to get the MSblaster virus, (does anyone remember that?) and be seriously contemplating typing the dreaded format:c command.
You don't say..!?
plewis0010/10/2019 11:42

Yes but you'd need a low-profile GPU (expensive and hard to find) so …Yes but you'd need a low-profile GPU (expensive and hard to find) so you're better off with a mini/midi tower not an SFF unit.


Just to add that it also is only a 180 watt PSU which further limits which low profile gpu would be possible/viable for the use case.
Masteryates10/10/2019 12:13

Always good to backup Stillahibby. I remember having a 30GB HDD that was …Always good to backup Stillahibby. I remember having a 30GB HDD that was almost full of filth, only to get the MSblaster virus, (does anyone remember that?) and be seriously contemplating typing the dreaded format:c command.



When you say filth do you mean your secret porn collection?
zx636r10/10/2019 13:27

When you say filth do you mean your secret porn collection?


No zx636r, I had 30GB of banking statements.
shakey198110/10/2019 12:59

or just find out weathers it connection via ide or sata …or just find out weathers it connection via ide or sata https://www.ebuyer.com/410560-liteon-ihas124-24x-internal-dvd-writer-with-sata-oem-ihas124-14


You can get a replacement modular drive on eBay (it’s SATA) but if you don’t use it much it’s cheaper and easier to use a USB one.

Bertz9910/10/2019 12:24

Just to add that it also is only a 180 watt PSU which further limits which …Just to add that it also is only a 180 watt PSU which further limits which low profile gpu would be possible/viable for the use case.


The i5-6500 and a 1050 Ti is viable with that PSU. 1050 Ti was the best low-profile GPU you could get for a while (they do a 1650 now) and it doesn’t need extra power.
Edited by: "plewis00" 10th Oct
plewis0010/10/2019 14:26

You can get a replacement modular drive on eBay (it’s SATA) but if you d …You can get a replacement modular drive on eBay (it’s SATA) but if you don’t use it much it’s cheaper and easier to use a USB one.The i5-6500 and a 1050 Ti is viable with that PSU. 1050 Ti was the best low-profile GPU you could get for a while (they do a 1650 now) and it doesn’t need extra power.



An 85watt GPU coupled with a 65 watt CPU

That leaves 30 watts (excluding headroom) to run everything else.

Your idea of viable vastly differs to that of mine.
i5 6500 or i7 4750HQ (laptop)
Whats faster?
RedXI10/10/2019 14:59

i5 6500 or i7 4750HQ (laptop)Whats faster?


Nevermind. Sold out.
Bertz9910/10/2019 14:40

An 85watt GPU coupled with a 65 watt CPUThat leaves 30 watts (excluding …An 85watt GPU coupled with a 65 watt CPUThat leaves 30 watts (excluding headroom) to run everything else.Your idea of viable vastly differs to that of mine.


75W GPU that often runs under that (under Furmark the 1050 Ti typically won't break 70W), 65W TDP for the CPU and it's an SFF, so what is your 'everything else'? It's viable and will be fine - many people run these in that configuration. You don't run at absolute max load even when gaming...
Great value as an everyday PC for the light to medium user. Thought SFF means expensive for gamers if they want to upgrade to a discrete GPU. Though these newer model Optilplex's are good as they are DDR4.
plewis0010/10/2019 15:23

75W GPU that often runs under that (under Furmark the 1050 Ti typically …75W GPU that often runs under that (under Furmark the 1050 Ti typically won't break 70W), 65W TDP for the CPU and it's an SFF, so what is your 'everything else'? It's viable and will be fine - many people run these in that configuration. You don't run at absolute max load even when gaming...


Ok corrected on 75w.

SFF complicates does not lighten your proposal - the airflow and heat comes into needing more consideration not less

Everything else - you think you need just a CPU, GPU and PSU to run a PC and there are no other components or their power requirements to be considered?

Myself motherboards, storage devices(sdd, hdd, odd's), memory and fans are not superfluous to a functioning pc and themselves add, when coupled with the rest, beyond that of ideal.

This machine has been built and designed by Dell to operate comfortably as a business machine.

With an 85% efficient 180 watts and keeping it working comfortably as I have stated your 1050 ti is vastly beyond what I or the manufacturer would recommend (they do not recommend anything beyond 45 watts GPU wise).

Still if you think running a PSU at or close to beyond its maximum something that is "perfectly viable" you will have to excuse that I differ in that that whilst one could and may have some success there becomes the question of if one should and how long that success may reliably last which I clearly sit on the more cautious side of the fence.
Edited by: "Bertz99" 10th Oct
Bertz9910/10/2019 12:24

Just to add that it also is only a 180 watt PSU which further limits which …Just to add that it also is only a 180 watt PSU which further limits which low profile gpu would be possible/viable for the use case.


Same issue I had with my Lenovo SFF PC. The only viable option really is Nvidia 1030. Draws under 30W and can play most games at 1080p.
kristmace10/10/2019 17:01

Same issue I had with my Lenovo SFF PC. The only viable option really is …Same issue I had with my Lenovo SFF PC. The only viable option really is Nvidia 1030. Draws under 30W and can play most games at 1080p.


Lenovo’s SFF PC seems to only allow for 35-40W through the PCIe connector as I had this issue too. Even with a GPU with external power I had boot issues.

Bertz9910/10/2019 16:52

Ok corrected on 75w.SFF complicates does not lighten your proposal - the …Ok corrected on 75w.SFF complicates does not lighten your proposal - the airflow and heat comes into needing more consideration not lessEverything else - you think you need just a CPU, GPU and PSU to run a PC and there are no other components or their power requirements to be considered? Myself motherboards, storage devices(sdd, hdd, odd's), memory and fans are not superfluous to a functioning pc and themselves add, when coupled with the rest, beyond that of ideal.This machine has been built and designed by Dell to operate comfortably as a business machine.With an 85% efficient 180 watts and keeping it working comfortably as I have stated your 1050 ti is vastly beyond what I or the manufacturer would recommend (they do not recommend anything beyond 45 watts GPU wise).Still if you think running a PSU at or close to beyond its maximum something that is "perfectly viable" you will have to excuse that I differ in that that whilst one could and may have some success there becomes the question of if one should and how long that success may reliably last which I clearly sit on the more cautious side of the fence.


Yes, SFF matters - because it’s small you can’t fit tons of components in there... motherboard uses maybe 10W and fans, another 10W if that, you don’t have tons of fans as you don’t have a big chassis. You have one SSD/HDD and the optical drive is faulty. 180W DC not 180W at the wall so efficiency isn’t a factor. A PSU getting to 160W peak occasionally during gaming is fine - don’t pretend it runs at a constant load of 160W all the time. Viable means it works, not, as you keep inferring, that it’ll blow the second you try. The 1050 Ti GPU is 75W peak and actually uses less while gaming.

If you don’t like it, I suggest you don’t do it but plenty of people have run 1050 Ti in Dell SFFs with older, less efficient hardware without them catching fire.
Edited by: "plewis00" 10th Oct
plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

motherboard uses maybe 10W


You need to check again - the b250 chipset on its own uses 6 watts

once you include the rest of the integrated components and comms on the motherboard it will be in the 20 to 30 watt range - most calculators will state for a itx/matx between 35 and 55 watts (which is an over estimate in this case) you can also check most motherboard manufacturers are nowhere near your quoted efficiency within their own spec sheets.

plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

fans, another 10W if that, you don’t have tons of fans as you don’t have a …fans, another 10W if that, you don’t have tons of fans as you don’t have a big chassis.


Now you go the other way 10 watts would be about 5 fans - are you just making these figures up or is this you now trying to improve the thermal limitations the SFF presents for your perfectly viable solution?
plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

You have one SSD/HDD and the optical drive is faulty.


2w/6w and if replaced the ODD would be around 5w

You also seem to be excluding memory modules (each one) have their own requirements too
plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

180W DC not 180W at the wall so efficiency isn’t a factor.


Most people learn at an early age the conservation of energy - i.e. it does not miraculously disappear. Couple that and the efficiency rating is highly related to both the heat produced and the lifespan of the components to where that heat goes to. Feel free to look up capacitor decay in correlation to temperature. I would also bet that these are not going to be the best capacitors in Dell's PSU but feel free to ignore this being a factor to someone considering.

plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

A PSU getting to 160W peak occasionally during gaming is fine - don’t p …A PSU getting to 160W peak occasionally during gaming is fine - don’t pretend it runs at a constant load of 160W all the time.



A 75 watt GPU with a 65 watt cpu with circa 40 watts components, as we have just ticked off, you add it up or to put another way absolutely zero planned contingency what so ever.
plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

Viable means it works, not, as you keep inferring, that it’ll blow the s …Viable means it works, not, as you keep inferring, that it’ll blow the second you try. The 1050 Ti GPU is 75W peak and actually uses less while gaming.


correction - viable means works successfully you are also coupling it with "perfectly". A definition of success to some is a few seconds to others are for a longer period - in the real world you world have them across the spectrum.

The harder a machine is pushed (and make no mistake your suggestion is pushing the scope beyond this machine was designed to fulfil) then there increase in the percentage of units failing. Dell when specifying this machine will have considered both it scope and what that failure rate would be in specifying the PSU as well as it impacting their recommended usage.

In quantifying this can you detail exactly what that percentage the failure rate will increase by for your proposal of "perfectly viable"?

There is no inference, what I am stating is quite clear, not everyone will be completely "perfectly" successful following your advice.

Also have you figured why Dell over engineer and do not supply it with precisely a 100 watt PSU which you infer would be fit for purpose as supplied ?


plewis0010/10/2019 17:13

If you don’t like it, I suggest you don’t do it but plenty of people have r …If you don’t like it, I suggest you don’t do it but plenty of people have run 1050 Ti in Dell SFFs with older, less efficient hardware without them catching fire.



A lot of those older dells have 240 watt PSU's - not that I would recommend those either as the lifespan of the capacitors are further reduced in their efficiency whilst components drawing more and the manufacturer advising even lower wattage gpu's. Yes some people quote success not all though.

What I am countering is what others may wish to consider that is not so "perfect" in your suggested proposal here as you are choosing to pretend.

Also lets be frank - if you are going to spend that amount on a sff gpu that would fit this your budget is already beyond considering this.
Edited by: "Bertz99" 10th Oct
Bertz9910/10/2019 18:52

You need to check again - the b250 chipset on its own uses 6 wattsonce you …You need to check again - the b250 chipset on its own uses 6 wattsonce you include the rest of the integrated components and comms on the motherboard it will be in the 20 to 30 watt range - most calculators will state for a itx/matx between 35 and 55 watts (which is an over estimate in this case) you can also check most motherboard manufacturers are nowhere near your quoted efficiency within their own spec sheets.Now you go the other way 10 watts would be about 5 fans - are you just making these figures up or is this you now trying to improve the thermal limitations the SFF presents for your perfectly viable solution?2w/6w and if replaced the ODD would be around 5w You also seem to be excluding memory modules (each one) have their own requirements too Most people learn at an early age the conservation of energy - i.e. it does not miraculously disappear. Couple that and the efficiency rating is highly related to both the heat produced and the lifespan of the components to where that heat goes to. Feel free to look up capacitor decay in correlation to temperature. I would also bet that these are not going to be the best capacitors in Dell's PSU but feel free to ignore this being a factor to someone considering. A 75 watt GPU with a 65 watt cpu with circa 40 watts components, as we have just ticked off, you add it up or to put another way absolutely zero planned contingency what so ever.correction - viable means works successfully you are also coupling it with "perfectly". A definition of success to some is a few seconds to others are for a longer period - in the real world you world have them across the spectrum.The harder a machine is pushed (and make no mistake your suggestion is pushing the scope beyond this machine was designed to fulfil) then there increase in the percentage of units failing. Dell when specifying this machine will have considered both it scope and what that failure rate would be in specifying the PSU as well as it impacting their recommended usage.In quantifying this can you detail exactly what that percentage the failure rate will increase with be for your proposal of "perfectly viable"?There is no inference, what I am stating is quite clear, not everyone will be completely "perfectly" successful following your advice.Also have you figured why Dell over engineer and do not supply it with precisely a 100 watt PSU which you infer would be fit for purpose as supplied ?A lot of those older dells have 240 watt PSU's - not that I would recommend those either as the lifespan of the capacitors are further reduced in their efficiency whilst components drawing more and the manufacturer advising even lower wattage gpu's. Yes some people quote success not all though.What I am countering is what others may wish to consider that is not so "perfect" in your suggested proposal here as you are choosing to pretend.Also lets be frank - if you are going to spend that amount on a sff gpu that would fit this your budget is already beyond considering this.


I’m not going to waste my time replying to this in detail. Go look at Dell’s spec sheet, I’ve linked it for you - they spec an R7 450 GPU for this machine with a 65W CPU. The R7 has a board power of 65W - pretty much on par with the 1050 Ti. Did Dell get that wrong?
i.dell.com/sit…pdf

If Dell specs it with a 180W they obviously trust it. 65W + 65W + 40W (from wherever you pulled that from) is within spec. And let’s not get into semantics about the word ‘viable’.

Don’t bring up the whole ‘why would you fit a GPU in this’ - the most powerful GPU you can run is a 1050 Ti LP, I never said you should or advocated any of that it’s worthwhile: it is simply in black and white on their own PDF.
Edited by: "plewis00" 10th Oct
zx636r10/10/2019 13:27

When you say filth do you mean your secret porn collection?


Isn't it obvious with his username?
plewis0010/10/2019 19:02

I’m not going to waste my time replying to this in detail. Go look at D …I’m not going to waste my time replying to this in detail. Go look at Dell’s spec sheet, I’ve linked it for you - they spec an R7 450 GPU for this machine with a 65W CPU. The R7 has a board power of 65W - pretty much on par with the 1050 Ti.


That same Low profile card is discussed here:

dell.com/com…445

You will note 1 of two things - Dell have no published TDP for the card you are quoting at 65 watts tdp (OEM specs are known to vary and an interesting premise that they have not detailed them even internally to their own staff). There is no counter to the non Dell person stating it is a 25W TDP Card.

Further, if you dig you will find reference to the 3050 sff support max 45 watt and Dell stating they have no GPU over 45 watts in low profile form.

Did you also notice the change between gen 7 and gen 6 in the spec sheets - also must say their older spec guides were much more precise in the information they supplied, especially in reference to this area.
plewis0010/10/2019 19:02

And let’s not get into semantics about the word ‘viable’.


The whole discussion has been about semantics, just I have sat on the opposite side of the fence to yourself to present the counter view of where you are saying absolutely can and perfectly Viable and I am tempering it with you may and YMMV. There are two sides in answering the question that was asked and if you like it or not I think we have, between us, raised the questions people should be considering to answer for themselves!

plewis0010/10/2019 19:02

Don’t bring up the whole ‘why would you fit a GPU in this’ - the most power …Don’t bring up the whole ‘why would you fit a GPU in this’ - the most powerful GPU you can run is a 1050 Ti LP, I never said you should or advocated any of that it’s worthwhile: it is simply in black and white on their own PDF.


Do you normally find instructing people what they should and should not do work for you? Glad you have clarified everything is not so rosy in your 'perfectly viable' solution though :P


Edited by: "Bertz99" 10th Oct
Bertz9910/10/2019 21:02

That same Low profile card is discussed …That same Low profile card is discussed here:https://www.dell.com/community/Desktops-General-Read-Only/Optiflex-7050-5050-SFF-max-graphics-card-TDP/td-p/5185445You will note 1 of two things - Dell have no published TDP for the card you are quoting at 65 watts tdp (OEM specs are known to vary). There is no counter to the non Dell person stating it is a 25W TDP Card.Further, if you dig you will find reference to the 3050 sff support max 45 watt and Dell stating they have no GPU over 45 watts in low profile form.Did you also notice the change between gen 7 and gen 6 in the spec sheets - also must say their older spec guides were much more precise in the information they supplied, especially in reference to this area.The whole discussion has been about semantics, just I have sat on the opposite side of the fence to yourself to present the counter view of where you are saying absolutely can and perfectly Viable and I am tempering it with you may and YMMV. There are two sides in answering the question that was asked and if you like it or not I think we have, between us, raised the questions people should be considering to answer for themselves!Do you normally find instructing people what they should and should not do work for you? Glad you have clarified everything is not so rosy in your 'perfectly viable' solution though :P


I didn’t pull the figure out of thin-air, many sites quote the board power as 65W for the R7 450 OEM card (based on the Cape Verde chip - the most powerful of which had an 80W TDP) and many people have had success running a 1050 Ti LP. Dell (and other manufacturers) tell people you have a many limits on the system - this just means they haven’t tested and validated it. You are blaming lack of precision in Dell’s PDF but that wasn’t the discussion, they have a discrete GPU option which can run close to the PSU limit - and even so this is not 24/7 and it will fluctuate but it will be below that figure and they have tolerance for a reason.

So... should you bother fitting a GPU to this SFF system? Probably not. Can you? Yes, and the cards mentioned will be fine. And not only that but this system went out of stock ages ago.
Edited by: "plewis00" 10th Oct
plewis0010/10/2019 21:11

I didn’t pull the figure out of thin-air, many sites quote the board power …I didn’t pull the figure out of thin-air, many sites quote the board power as 65W for the R7 450 OEM card (based on the Cape Verde chip - the most powerful of which had an 80W TDP)


I know where you picked that quotes from but you are making assumptions that all OEM equipment is equal where as I suspect the closer figure is the 45 watts reference I have picked up on in two places from Dell that would also fit in with when these decisions are made, which is not during the testing phase - bit late by then to be agreeing what load the PSU OEM is going to agree to support!

If you check with AMD for OEM GPU's they state:

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Additionally I have found a Dell partner (ETB Technologies) selling with spec in their advert the Low profile R7 450:


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plewis0010/10/2019 21:11

You are blaming lack of precision in Dell’s PDF but that wasn’t the dis …You are blaming lack of precision in Dell’s PDF but that wasn’t the discussion, they have a discrete GPU option which can run close to the PSU limit - and even so this is not 24/7 and it will fluctuate but it will be below that figure and they have tolerance for a reason.


Where are you determining blame. I am saying from a engineering and scientific viewpoint that when Dell have agreed with an PSU OEM they will have contract that agree the envelope, support and cost implications. The risk calculated, the agreement levels on failure and liability are all drawn up well before the production starts and your suggestion on testing for these reasons.

Run too close to those tolerances and the failure rates will increase. Your perfectly ideal 75watt GPU, from my point of view, is pushing those boundaries and whilst there will be some people with success there will also be those that have earlier failures than they may have anticipated.

plewis0010/10/2019 21:11

Can you? Yes, and the cards mentioned will be fine.



and this is where we disagree - you say will be fine where I say may be fine but you are running out of the scope a 85% efficient 180 watt PSU operating window is ideally designed to work comfortably within (sort of quality the standard PSU here would be to plan a limit at around 153 watts the higher spec PSU gains another 12 watts in that envelope).
Bertz9911/10/2019 00:27

I know where you picked that quotes from but you are making assumptions …I know where you picked that quotes from but you are making assumptions that all OEM equipment is equal where as I suspect the closer figure is the 45 watts reference I have picked up on in two places from Dell that would also fit in with when these decisions are made, which is not during the testing phase - bit late by then to be agreeing what load the PSU OEM is going to agree to support!If you check with AMD for OEM GPU's they state:[Image] Additionally I have found a Dell partner (ETB Technologies) selling with spec in their advert the Low profile R7 450:[Image] Where are you determining blame. I am saying from a engineering and scientific viewpoint that when Dell have agreed with an PSU OEM they will have contract that agree the envelope, support and cost implications. The risk calculated, the agreement levels on failure and liability are all drawn up well before the production starts and your suggestion on testing for these reasons. Run too close to those tolerances and the failure rates will increase. Your perfectly ideal 75watt GPU, from my point of view, is pushing those boundaries and whilst there will be some people with success there will also be those that have earlier failures than they may have anticipated.and this is where we disagree - you say will be fine where I say may be fine but you are running out of the scope a 85% efficient 180 watt PSU operating window is ideally designed to work comfortably within (sort of quality the standard PSU here would be to plan a limit at around 153 watts the higher spec PSU gains another 12 watts in that envelope).


The R7 450 is a Cape Verde chip with 512 shaders, it's likely Cape Verde Pro at 55W TDP then.

Your PSU efficiency calculation is just wrong. 85% efficency with 180W rating doesn't mean 153W 'ideal' operating wattage (180W x 0.85)... it means 180W DC and 180W / 0.85 = 212W at the wall. The more efficient PSU just means less wasted heat and AC consumed but both are still rated to 180W of internal DC from the components... I am surprised you didn't know this.

The 1050 Ti doesn't use 75W under load nor does it reach near that in anywhere other than Furmark or extreme stress testing, if you're concerned then drop the power limit.

Your premise is based around flawed logic on efficiency so it's obvious why you think the 1050 Ti takes it over threshold now, you say I make assumptions then you assume the Dell R7 450 OEM card uses less power and that running a 180W PSU nearer it's limit noticeably worsens its operating life. It's rated for 180W and will likely go above and beyond - they don't use cheap and nasty PSUs, they're actually pretty well-built.

But this is all moot because the unit is out of stock and I don't expect someone to put a GPU costing nearly as much as the PC in it.
plewis0011/10/2019 00:38

The R7 450 is a Cape Verde chip with 512 shaders, it's likely Cape Verde …The R7 450 is a Cape Verde chip with 512 shaders, it's likely Cape Verde Pro at 55W TDP then.Your PSU efficiency calculation is just wrong. 85% efficency with 180W rating doesn't mean 153W 'ideal' operating wattage (180W x 0.85)... it means 180W DC and 180W / 0.85 = 212W at the wall. The more efficient PSU just means less wasted heat and AC consumed but both are still rated to 180W of internal DC from the components... I am surprised you didn't know this.The 1050 Ti doesn't use 75W under load nor does it reach near that in anywhere other than Furmark or extreme stress testing, if you're concerned then drop the power limit. Your premise is based around flawed logic on efficiency so it's obvious why you think the 1050 Ti takes it over threshold now, you say I make assumptions then you assume the Dell R7 450 OEM card uses less power and that running a 180W PSU nearer it's limit noticeably worsens its operating life. It's rated for 180W and will likely go above and beyond - they don't use cheap and nasty PSUs, they're actually pretty well-built. But this is all moot because the unit is out of stock and I don't expect someone to put a GPU costing nearly as much as the PC in it.



Thermal management really is not your forte is it?

For a start when you are at max load on your PSU that 85% efficiency is well out of the window - as I stated above its commonly likened to an inverted bath, you will have quite a bit more than a 32 watt heater (have you never heard any of those old dells as quoted running hot?).

Next you have then sort of got partially there but not managed to join up the dots. Heat and PSU's equates to limited lifespan and reliability issues, sort of quite critical in a sff that has limited ability to dissipate that heat and drying those capacitors.

Plenty of papers out there, including from the OEM PSU suppliers that will tell you the first consideration a system designer should do from a thermal management perceptive, to ensure reliability and long term performance, is to over specify both the efficiency and the max load capacity (your operating window). As to the yard stick I use in equating that I gleamed from those OEM Manufacturers as the starting point in discussions on their offerings (Fortran). They, of course, would move from that starting point albeit at either upping cost (quality) or limiting liability (failure rate).

Perhaps you might want to look up the term Arrhenius Equation which should take you to some papers that will improve your understanding of my viewpoint. Of course perhaps you wish to stay thinking heat has no implications or correlation or relationship to the PSU's capacity, load and efficiency and it all magically just disappears like fairy dust.
Edited by: "Bertz99" 11th Oct
Bertz9911/10/2019 02:00

Thermal management really is not your forte is it?For a start when you are …Thermal management really is not your forte is it?For a start when you are at max load on your PSU that 85% efficiency is well out of the window - as I stated above its commonly likened to an inverted bath, you will have quite a bit more than a 32 watt heater (have you never heard any of those old dells as quoted running hot?).Next you have then sort of got partially there but not managed to join up the dots. Heat and PSU's equates to limited lifespan and reliability issues, sort of quite critical in a sff that has limited ability to dissipate that heat and drying those capacitors.Plenty of papers out there, including from the OEM PSU suppliers that will tell you the first consideration a system designer should do from a thermal management perceptive, to ensure reliability and long term performance, is to over specify both the efficiency and the max load capacity (your operating window). As to the yard stick I use in equating that I gleamed from those OEM Manufacturers as the starting point in discussions on their offerings (Fortran). They, of course, would move from that starting point albeit at either upping cost (quality) or limiting liability (failure rate).Perhaps you might want to look up the term Arrhenius Equation which should take you to some papers that will improve your understanding of my viewpoint. Of course perhaps you wish to stay thinking heat has no implications or correlation or relationship to the PSU's capacity, load and efficiency and it all magically just disappears like fairy dust.


You are clearly bored and very arrogant as you speak like this but couldn’t even get the PCIe power rating correct. You’re just using anything in your arsenal to try and prove a point and I shouldn’t really go along with it. If a PSU is rated to 180W then it can output that, saying it’s 85% efficient so it’s actually 153W is totally wrong and of course I know efficiency isn’t a flat line.

So now it’s not ‘exceeding rated power’ but your argument is thermal management. Well, it would be more important if you were fully loading the PSU and respective components 24/7 but you’re not - let’s say you game for 2-3 hours a day, that’s hardly ruining the system and you’re still not 100% loading the components.

I don’t really have time for people like you, everything you’ve stated so far is theoretical whereas people have installed a 1050 Ti LP in this machine and similar without ill-effect. It probably hasn’t dawned on you that the reason they’ve done this is not because they wanted a prebuilt SFF with a GPU but because they happened to have the system and it seemed like a viable upgrade - not for long-term competitive gaming for years and years.

And don’t keep putting words in my mouth - I never once said ‘heat has no bearing on this setup’. I mean since you’re being so pedantic maybe you could calculate which countries this PC should operate in and how close to the equator as the ambient temperature might pose a threat too...?
plewis0011/10/2019 02:24

You are clearly bored and very arrogant as you speak like this but …You are clearly bored and very arrogant as you speak like this but couldn’t even get the PCIe power rating correct. You’re just using anything in your arsenal to try and prove a point and I shouldn’t really go along with it. If a PSU is rated to 180W then it can output that, saying it’s 85% efficient so it’s actually 153W is totally wrong and of course I know efficiency isn’t a flat line. So now it’s not ‘exceeding rated power’ but your argument is thermal management. Well, it would be more important if you were fully loading the PSU and respective components 24/7 but you’re not - let’s say you game for 2-3 hours a day, that’s hardly ruining the system and you’re still not 100% loading the components. I don’t really have time for people like you, everything you’ve stated so far is theoretical whereas people have installed a 1050 Ti LP in this machine and similar without ill-effect. It probably hasn’t dawned on you that the reason they’ve done this is not because they wanted a prebuilt SFF with a GPU but because they happened to have the system and it seemed like a viable upgrade - not for long-term competitive gaming for years and years.And don’t keep putting words in my mouth - I never once said ‘heat has no bearing on this setup’. I mean since you’re being so pedantic maybe you could calculate which countries this PC should operate in and how close to the equator as the ambient temperature might pose a threat too...?

and here we have it the transgression onto who is right rather than what is right - good luck with that
Bertz9911/10/2019 02:35

and here we have it the transgression onto who is right rather than what …and here we have it the transgression onto who is right rather than what is right - good luck with that


You spent the whole previous response (and prior) trying to belittle and cast doubt over my knowledge or what actually works in this machine. As to ‘what is right’ - I suggest you read what you’ve written and how you’ve written it.

You are a hypocrite desperate for attention. So ‘good luck with that’.
plewis0011/10/2019 06:57

You spent the whole previous response (and prior) trying to belittle and …You spent the whole previous response (and prior) trying to belittle and cast doubt over my knowledge or what actually works in this machine. As to ‘what is right’ - I suggest you read what you’ve written and how you’ve written it.You are a hypocrite desperate for attention. So ‘good luck with that’.



Suggest all you wish but it is fairly simple that I have stated that there is the 180 watt consideration when specifying a GPU to go in this machine. I have then stood by this as you have attempted in everyway to exert that a 1050-ti is perfectly ideal that I simply disagree with on and have been substantiating my viewpoint, I understood yours before I began.

Feel free to look back when I first stated thermal and I can break down where your ego has been bruised, telling me what I should be doing whilst making all manner of personal accusations whilst I have stuck rigidly to known facts

Yet what has really upset you - the fact that the industry has formula's in specifying what power supply should be used based on max loads, capacity and efficiency with there being published white papers and known with scientific principals that can be referred to whilst you were so confident I was wrong.

Ego's really do not help these forums and have got in the way of you comprehending that all I have been doing is standing my ground from yours that I an entitled to do, for completeness in people considering your suggestion. As I stated above there are some merits to your view but it is hardly the full picture to make an informed decision. If it makes you feel better then feel free to form I am everything you are making up as it really is not my concern, not my bag and not the way I roll and on that note there is nothing more here to cover.
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