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voucher - not a traditional deal
If Microsoft paid me £14.99 to use windows 8 I think I would have to decline!
trevordavies

voucher - not a traditional deal


And not open to everyone, unless you by a new pc/laptop. So not much of a great deal is it?
Guys, just installed the RTM at the weekend. Bad, really bad. After tweaking it then trying to use it for about three hours, I felt I had to stop before tearing my chest open. This whole thing is designed to frustrate you at multiple levels. Bad really bad.
bittergeek

Guys, just installed the RTM at the weekend. Bad, really bad. After … Guys, just installed the RTM at the weekend. Bad, really bad. After tweaking it then trying to use it for about three hours, I felt I had to stop before tearing my chest open. This whole thing is designed to frustrate you at multiple levels. Bad really bad.

What are you on about ? not everyone on this site is tech savvy so please repeat in Layman's terms so we can all understand.
Cold. No Start menu.
Theres an immense unstoppable trend away from desktop/mouse/kb -> touch/icons its impacting on all computer makers, however as 75% of windows sales are corporate, MS have to transition us unlike apple (virtually all desktop licences consumer) who one fine day can just say "bye bye desktop, hello touch&icons

Its a transition as MS needs to get all software to be apps based rather than desktop based and give us time to replace our monitors with touch enabled monitors .. we will still use mice and keyboards, just touch will be navigation medium.

For corporates in the long run it will be a great benefit as they will be able to run a simple locked touch app screen for enterprise apps ... thats the logic for it, personally i cant see myself moving off windows 7 anytime soon for my day to day stuff but if i get the chance to get a cheap win 8 upgrade i'll take it just to get the licence in for the time down the road when i have a touch screen and all my applications are touch enabled and app centric .. and win 8.5 or 9 has got it nailed .. a bit like i did with vista

win RT (or whatever its called on arm tablets) will be immense, its such an excellent os for touch

as an ex iphone user i've been totally sold on win phone 7 (especially since i only paid £150 for a sim free handset) and if somewhere down the road a win RT tablet comes out with a "retina" res screen and non widescreen screen ratio it will stand a good chance of weening me off my ipad 3 (great screen and resolution, horribly closed & poor os to do anything useful with files, pictures etc)

Edited by: "hyenadog" 20th Aug 2012
dck

Cold. No Start menu.



the whole "metro" screen is the "start menu"
I don't think I've ever been so uninterested in a Windows release.
Windows 7 is the best OS I've ever used, and probably their most widely respected one yet... so you'd think they'd simply try to improve on it.
But then every other of their OS's has pretty much always been a disaster so it's no surprise really!
1apple

What are you on about ? not everyone on this site is tech savvy so … What are you on about ? not everyone on this site is tech savvy so please repeat in Layman's terms so we can all understand.



As the other post said Windows 8 forces you to use your desktop like a smartphone, or Windows phone. How does it do it? App based interface, removal of Start menu, and making desktop applications (any applications you use on previous versions of Windows) look really ugly and officially branding them as legacy applications.

Imagine using an App on your desktop computer. An app is a full screen application without close/maximize/minimize buttons. To "close" it (to really close it you need to use task manager or press arlt-f4), you need to use a gesture, which on a desktop computer is to use your mouse to drag the top of the app all the way down to the bottom of the screen. What's more, all those apps have to be downloaded from their app store except the preloaded ones. Of course you'd need to register to have access to it.

This is how MS want you to use your computer. That's really just one of many bad things that will drive you mad using it.

Even if you had a touch screen monitor, it wouldn't be much better. Touching around on a small phone screen is one thing, raising your hand/arm to touch around a 23'' desktop monitor is a completely different exercise.

Windows 8 marks the beginning of the end of "open" ecosystem of Windows platform. MS are going to build a closed system like Apple's iOS devices. It won't be long before all applications have to be brought from their version of app store to be installed on your desktop.
Edited by: "bittergeek" 21st Aug 2012
mamboboy

I don't think I've ever been so uninterested in a Windows release. … I don't think I've ever been so uninterested in a Windows release. Windows 7 is the best OS I've ever used, and probably their most widely respected one yet... so you'd think they'd simply try to improve on it.But then every other of their OS's has pretty much always been a disaster so it's no surprise really!



Don't know about that mambo, XP was pretty good after 10 years of updates
mamboboy

I don't think I've ever been so uninterested in a Windows release. … I don't think I've ever been so uninterested in a Windows release. Windows 7 is the best OS I've ever used, and probably their most widely respected one yet... so you'd think they'd simply try to improve on it.But then every other of their OS's has pretty much always been a disaster so it's no surprise really!



now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without doubt windows 95 .. winxp and win 7 are just by in large derivatives and refinements of win 95

take a look around you the world is transitioning to touch and apps ... ms has no choice and neither does apple .. mac os will go the same way as well

its a very similar process to ms moving off msdos to windows (remember in these days ms didnt even make a version of its ms office for its os .. just the GUI mac os !) .. those that remember will no doubt recall win versions were not great right the way to really win 95 ..

the way i work with a big 1920 x 1200 24 inch monitor suits win 7 desktop and i really like win 7 and i like the desktop apps (java/html precursors to win 8 apps) even though ms has canned them in 7 now .. i cant see v1 of win 8 for pcs convincing me to move to 8 ... BUT if i can get a cheap licence for 8 then i'll get it for the case when 8.5 or 9 is out and its a much improved experience .. which it will be as ms is betting a major chunk of its future on it

note theres a distinction between "pc's" and tablets ... from what ive seen (bar the initial lack of apps) win 8 on ARM tablets will be awesome and the key apps for most people ms office, email client, facebook, twitter etc are included free and it should be an awesome platform .. kind of like what ms wants win 8 for pc's to be at the end of the day

I'm not changing from windows 7 on my laptops but I'd love and can't wait for windows 8 on a 10" monster of a tablet.
I really don't know what some of you guys are talking about.

I've been using Windows 8 for around 5 months now - I don't have a touch screen just a very old pentium 4 desktop that had no operating system on it and every version of Linux I tried installing failed to run (problems with the display crashing).

I cannot imagine anyone wanting any screen that isn't held in your hands to be touch sensitive; much easier and faster to use a mouse or track-pad. I'm quite happy using my mouse and keyboard to run all my applications, you don't need a touch screen at all.

I haven't used the Windows app store since I first installed W8 as it crashed my PC; instead I install programs from the desktop as you would in windows 7 and then pin them on the 'metro' screen. People complain there is no "start menu" but clicking bottom left or hitting the 'windows' key brings up the start menu (aka metro screen); you then either click an icon or type the program name and select from the list displayed.

In many ways I prefer it to W7 but I wouldn't upgrade a W7 machine...
bittergeek

As the other post said Windows 8 forces you to use your desktop like a … As the other post said Windows 8 forces you to use your desktop like a smartphone, or Windows phone. How does it do it? App based interface, removal of Start menu, and making desktop applications (any applications you use on previous versions of Windows) look really ugly and officially branding them as legacy applications.Imagine using an App on your desktop computer. An app is a full screen application without close/maximize/minimize buttons. To "close" it (to really close it you need to use task manager or press arlt-f4), you need to use a gesture, which on a desktop computer is to use your mouse to drag the top of the app all the way down to the bottom of the screen. What's more, all those apps have to be downloaded from their app store except the preloaded ones. Of course you'd need to register to have access to it.This is how MS want you to use your computer. That's really just one of many bad things that will drive you mad using it.Even if you had a touch screen monitor, it wouldn't be much better. Touching around on a small phone screen is one thing, raising your hand/arm to touch around a 23'' desktop monitor is a completely different exercise.Windows 8 marks the beginning of the end of "open" ecosystem of Windows platform. MS are going to build a closed system like Apple's iOS devices. It won't be long before all applications have to be brought from their version of app store to be installed on your desktop.

Thanks mate.
I used Windows 8 for almost two weeks. I formatted my drive and installed Win 8 rtm/beta. No need for win 7 now till launch of win 8(i thought). I still liked Vista and did the same at the time before its release. Many hate on Vista but forget its basically an unpolished Windows 7. Vista had many key features. 64 bit with good driver support, enhanced security and numerous copycat apple mac features.

At first I was excited, then issues popped up for me regarding the design of the OS. I really started hating it. Over the course of the first week I learnt the keyboard short cuts and adjusted to using Windows 8. I had to give it a fair chance. It was tempting to install windows 7 but I am glad I held out. Its the worst Windows to date. I would happily trade Vista for this. Nightmare usage scenarios are a way of life with this OS. The whole desktop and metro or new ui whatever Ms call it was atrocious.

The whole plan/idea was flawed in the first place. Metro is not for desktop users at all. The app store only handles Metro apps which are like mobile apps. I frequently found myself taking my phone out rather than using these apps... The tiles barely update with any info. Tons of screen space is wasted on overly large fonts and awful design with empty spaces. The start menu is now Metro. Much has been dumbed down or even removed. Its an agonising experience. I hope MS patch it up before release but there is no way I am using windows 8 at launch. Going back to Windows 7 was such a good experience. Usually new Windows tend to offer enough to upgrade over the old OS. In this case the older OS is much much nicer.

Edited by: "MRP" 21st Aug 2012
I installed windows 8 on my netbook a while ago, starts up and shuts down super fast, everything about it seems fast enough (as well as making the battery last about 30minutes longer somehow) it does all the basics i need it to do whilst i'm out and about. it feels like a tablet o/s and i do find some of the functions slightly closed off as they were intended to be used with dedicated windows 8 hardware (they are releasing special new wireless mouse and keyboards with new windows 8 power keys)

i would never upgrade my desktop or my laptop to windows 8, it just wouldn't feel right, it works great with the netbook, the only niggle is that under standard native resolutions, windows 8 will not allow any app to open on my netbook screen, i needed to tweek the registry to allow a none standard resolution meaning everything is slightly the wrong shape. hopefully that will be different int he final version though.

anyone with windows 7, stick with it until you are sure windows 8 is worth switching too. which will probably be when everything is touch screened up.
One only has to look at what MS did with the menu system in later office releases, when compared to earlier releases, to understand that MS often doesn't care about its existing users that much.... can't see many people upgrading to Windows 8
better than Windows ME - anyone remember that one!!! ;-) Personally I thought Win2000 was excellent!
*shudder* no I think I'd take windows ME over this
hyenadog

now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without … now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without doubt windows 95 .. winxp and win 7 are just by in large derivatives and refinements of win 95



Win95 stank to high heaven. A shiny DESQview derivative on top of DOS. I was using OS/2 at the time and Win95 just came across as a dilettante effort with little to no reliability. All fur coat and no knickers. Crash, crash, reboot.

If you honestly think that WinXP and Win7 are DOS refinements... oO
I can get it for free (legally) through my work and not even sure I will use it. The new UI is a horrible choice for desktops. Great for tablets maybe but I have no interest in all my apps being spread out on pages and pages of different coloured tiles. The Xbox 360 interface is a mess to navigate as it is and this is just the same.

Why they ever decided to kill the standard start menu is beyond me. Sadly it is said to have improved memory management and a few other improvements but Windows 7 does what I need and does it well so this will probably be another OS I skip over.
I can recommend Windows 8 for laptops or underpowered desktops - it is faster than Windows 7 particularly when resuming from sleep/hibernate or booting cold. The UI is also more responsive as they have removed the Aero glass effects which can struggle on lower powered hardware. Once you have your desktop setup you don't need to use the "Metro" start screen at all and it feels very much like Windows 7. If you have an older laptop or desktop PC with Windows XP or Vista then it is a cheap worthwhile upgrade IMHO.
This is a great deal OP but there is too many fun boys in this forum...
My laptop still runs Vista and I'm considering upgrading to Win8 but getting discouraged by the negative views of it here. Is it worthwhile still upgrading to it or is Win7 cheaper now so I should get that instead?
Good deal, I am not sure what the problem is. It is very fast and stable with good multi-monitor support.

I barely use the new start menu because of pinned apps but when i do i just move my mouse to where the start menu button was, it appears, I click it. A full screen menu appears where I have a layout of my applications into groups which I find intuitive (content creation, Web, Entertainment, Misc) if I start typing it finds what I need just like on the old menu system.

I have the beta and as a desktop, the new messaging apps etc should not run full screen to be of use on a desktop.

I read a guide early on which I completely agree with, he said that using a different background for "start" and the desktop really made a jarring transference and once they match people will feel much happier. I completely agree with his and really hope that this is done.
teerex

My laptop still runs Vista and I'm considering upgrading to Win8 but … My laptop still runs Vista and I'm considering upgrading to Win8 but getting discouraged by the negative views of it here. Is it worthwhile still upgrading to it or is Win7 cheaper now so I should get that instead?



Download and try the release preview if you want. Once you have played around with it, it is a refined windows 7. The start menu is basically still there. For someone with a lot of applications who never wanted them in folders with the uninstallers, register your software and contact I much prefer the current layout.
hyenadog

now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without … now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without doubt windows 95 .. winxp and win 7 are just by in large derivatives and refinements of win 95take a look around you the world is transitioning to touch and apps ... ms has no choice and neither does apple .. mac os will go the same way as well its a very similar process to ms moving off msdos to windows (remember in these days ms didnt even make a version of its ms office for its os .. just the GUI mac os !) .. those that remember will no doubt recall win versions were not great right the way to really win 95 .. the way i work with a big 1920 x 1200 24 inch monitor suits win 7 desktop and i really like win 7 and i like the desktop apps (java/html precursors to win 8 apps) even though ms has canned them in 7 now .. i cant see v1 of win 8 for pcs convincing me to move to 8 ... BUT if i can get a cheap licence for 8 then i'll get it for the case when 8.5 or 9 is out and its a much improved experience .. which it will be as ms is betting a major chunk of its future on it note theres a distinction between "pc's" and tablets ... from what ive seen (bar the initial lack of apps) win 8 on ARM tablets will be awesome and the key apps for most people ms office, email client, facebook, twitter etc are included free and it should be an awesome platform .. kind of like what ms wants win 8 for pc's to be at the end of the day



you seem to base an OS by how it looks? with your superior knowledge you should apply for a job as a PCWorld 'tech guy'

I wonder if you can get the upgrade for a Dell Outlet machine?
I guess it depends what proof MS requires as I don’t think the Dell invoices mention the word refurbished at all.

hyenadog

now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without … now come on .. ms best os for the time by a country mile was without doubt windows 95 .. winxp and win 7 are just by in large derivatives and refinements of win 95


Not sure if my irony meter needs tweaking!
Win 95 = 32 bit kludge sitting on top of a 16 bit GUI sitting on top of DOS; and people were surprised it was unstable and generally a massive compromise.
XP was an evolution of the NT code base which was natively 32 bit from the start and built for workstations and from my experience pretty fine; although I still feel that NT users like myself from the days of 3.51 through to Win 2000 were ill served when they merged code bases with XP as stability hasn’t been as good since.
teerex

My laptop still runs Vista and I'm considering upgrading to Win8 but … My laptop still runs Vista and I'm considering upgrading to Win8 but getting discouraged by the negative views of it here. Is it worthwhile still upgrading to it or is Win7 cheaper now so I should get that instead?


You can try the full release (RTM) version for free for 3 months here - I think you will notice a big improvement to Vista.

Windows 8 evaluation
brookheather

I can recommend Windows 8 for laptops or underpowered desktops - it is … I can recommend Windows 8 for laptops or underpowered desktops - it is faster than Windows 7 particularly when resuming from sleep/hibernate or booting cold. The UI is also more responsive as they have removed the Aero glass effects which can struggle on lower powered hardware. Once you have your desktop setup you don't need to use the "Metro" start screen at all and it feels very much like Windows 7. If you have an older laptop or desktop PC with Windows XP or Vista then it is a cheap worthwhile upgrade IMHO.



I can't recommend win8 at all. I am not pinning 20+ programs to my taskbar just because Microsoft thinks "metro/modern ui " is cool. Even for touch the ui is pretty bad.

avoid avoid and avoid.
It seems that I'm the only person who likes Windows 8. Have tried it on desktop with 27" monitor and laptop but have to admit while touchpad drivers on laptop aren't optimised yet I do like it a lot more while using a mouse. I do have a Windows Phone so I guess I understand the goal MS is trying to get to. The only advice is to stick to it as I found it just becomes easier.
It doesn't force you to do anything, you can totally ignore the app side of things. I've been running it a few weeks now. Yes it's a bit annoying but no more than going from the Windows 98 start menu to the Windows XP one.

Personally I think the apps are rubbish and will be ignoring them.

You could sum it up as Windows 7 with a new start menu that opens full screen and does everything the old one used to and more.

Improved start up times is probably the biggest thing you'll notice.

Probably not worth upgrading from Windows 7, but I will be because I have to have the newest OS all the time.
Edited by: "InkZ" 21st Aug 2012
The start screen actually in some ways does less. And it doesn't work well with alot of programs installed. I'm not disagreeing with the need for a different start screen/menu for touch and the start menu in windows 7 isn't brilliant either. That said win7 works well for mouse and not for touch, but with win8 it doesn't really work at all ..
collectorcol

I'm not voting purely because I don't understand a word of what you guys … I'm not voting purely because I don't understand a word of what you guys are talking about.I've actually never felt this old before. oO



Same here! Technology is a foreign language to me.
brookheather

You can try the full release (RTM) version for free for 3 months here - I … You can try the full release (RTM) version for free for 3 months here - I think you will notice a big improvement to Vista.Windows 8 evaluation



I can't remember where I put the original vista disc that came with the laptop so I won't be able to try this out. It seems like a lot of hassle anyway so I may just upgrade to Win7 which has had any bugs ironed out. Thanks brookheather
Soon, all pc vendors will have to sell pcs with win 8 reinstalled. We don't even have a chance to refuse win 8.
How much will it cost for a DVD of this?
SupaSimmskii

How much will it cost for a DVD of this?


£50 from Amazon:

amazon.co.uk/Win…8-1
taras

I can't recommend win8 at all. I am not pinning 20+ programs to my … I can't recommend win8 at all. I am not pinning 20+ programs to my taskbar just because Microsoft thinks "metro/modern ui " is cool. Even for touch the ui is pretty bad.avoid avoid and avoid.



What are you on about "pinning 20+ programs to my taskbar" - are you sure you've tried W8? if so you've been using it wrong!
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