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HotBot17/11/2019 10:47

Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price …Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price and involves less faff!


Yes, the faff is the point. That's what and why you'd buy it.
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For those with a Costco membership this is £364.99 delivered and a little cheaper in store.
Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price and involves less faff!
HotBot17/11/2019 10:47

Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price …Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price and involves less faff!


Yes, the faff is the point. That's what and why you'd buy it.
HotBot17/11/2019 10:47

Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price …Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price and involves less faff!



Yes Delonghi/etc do fully automatic B2C in this sort of price range, I have a Delonghi B2C. But they produce an average product.

The Sage machines are the only ones in this sort of price range that have a PID sensor and produce a consistent/quality extraction. The steam wand is also capable of producing decent foam, unlike the B2C's in this price range. If you check some of the coffee forums/reviews they are very well regarded, aside from the grinder perhaps which some say is average to ok.

I tried a few Sage machines at JL and was suitably impressed that the Touch is on my upgrade list, just hoping for a price "glitch"
Edited by: "Mentos" 17th Nov 2019
Mentos17/11/2019 11:10

. The steam wand is also capable of producing decent foam, unlike the …. The steam wand is also capable of producing decent foam, unlike the B2C's in this price range.


Not quite true, if you use the steamer as directed is a bit rubbish but if you pull the outer part off so you're just left with a normal tip it works perfectly using the same technique you'd use with this one.

Best to get a proper milk thermometer, only a few quid, for either too unless you haven't heat resistant hands that can judge temperatures. That stick on thing on the 'temp control milk jug' is a joke which you can't even see whilst steaming.
Edited by: "b1g1an" 17th Nov 2019
b1g1an17/11/2019 11:30

Not quite true, if you use the steamer as directed is a bit rubbish but if …Not quite true, if you use the steamer as directed is a bit rubbish but if you pull the outer part off so you're just left with a normal tip it works perfectly using the same technique you'd use with this one.



Sorry, not quite sure what you mean? Do you mean with the likes of Delonghi B2C machines? I've had two (over 12 years) and tried everything to get decent micro foam. That includes using just the tip attachment (which also doesnt leave you with much height), the inner tip and the outer metal tip. Nothing produces decent micro foam.

Moreover the fully automatic B2C's you'd have to switch to manual steaming, kind of defeating the purpose of buying a fully automatic machine.

Whereas the Sage Barista Touch produced decent micro foam at the touch of a button. And the Express with my normal technique.

I wouldn't countenance this sort of money without trying everything to get my existing machine doing the same job first

NB: I dont own the Sage. But i've tried this and the touch several times in JL when they have a demo on. Not sure if you've had the chance to use them, but if you have a JL near you ask them if they have a Sage Demo on. They will let you play around with the machines to your hearts content.
Edited by: "Mentos" 17th Nov 2019
b1g1an17/11/2019 11:30

Not quite true, if you use the steamer as directed is a bit rubbish but if …Not quite true, if you use the steamer as directed is a bit rubbish but if you pull the outer part off so you're just left with a normal tip it works perfectly using the same technique you'd use with this one.Best to get a proper milk thermometer, only a few quid, for either too unless you haven't heat resistant hands that can judge temperatures. That stick on thing on the 'temp control milk jug' is a joke which you can't even see whilst steaming.


All the Delonghi Wands do uncovered is endlessly foam. They don't texturise the way a proper wand does, as the BE end can, albeit rather slowly. But then that's an advantage for the inexperienced\unskilled.
Mentos17/11/2019 11:43

Sorry, not quite sure what you mean? Do you mean with the likes of …Sorry, not quite sure what you mean? Do you mean with the likes of Delonghi B2C machines? I've had two (over 12 years) and tried everything to get decent micro foam. That includes using just the tip attachment (which also doesnt leave you with much height), the inner tip and the outer metal tip. Nothing produces decent micro foam.Moreover the fully automatic B2C's you'd have to switch to manual steaming, kind of defeating the purpose of buying a fully automatic machine.Whereas the Sage Barista Touch produced decent micro foam at the touch of a button. And the Express with my normal technique.I wouldn't countenance this sort of money without trying everything to get my existing machine doing the same job first NB: I dont own the Sage. But i've tried this and the touch several times in JL when they have a demo on. Not sure if you've had the chance to use them, but if you have a JL near you ask them if they have a Sage Demo on. They will let you play around with the machines to your hearts content.


Yes, they're the ones I mean. There is a knack to it but I just followed a how to stream vid on wholelattelove's channel and have no issues.

I am talking about the ones without a fully automatic frother, don't see the point of them, just loads of mess to clear up which seems to defeat the purpose.

Will look out for a demo, thanks for the suggestion.
Edited by: "b1g1an" 17th Nov 2019
Pokey17/11/2019 11:45

All the Delonghi Wands do uncovered is endlessly foam. They don't …All the Delonghi Wands do uncovered is endlessly foam. They don't texturise the way a proper wand does, as the BE end can, albeit rather slowly. But then that's an advantage for the inexperienced\unskilled.


Not true! I would imagine the Sage one is much better to use given the length/angle however
how easy is it to master? and make cofee comparable to coffee shops
i prefer laates
b1g1an17/11/2019 11:52

Yes, they're the ones I mean. There is a knack to it but I just followed a …Yes, they're the ones I mean. There is a knack to it but I just followed a how to stream vid on wholelattelove's channel and have no issues.I am talking about the ones without a fully automatic frother, don't see the point of them, just loads of mess to clear up which seems to defeat the purpose.Will look out for a demo, thanks for the suggestion.



I currently have the Delonghi ECAM 420. Thanks for the video suggestion, I'll give it a try. I have checked a few already with no luck though. I'm not suggesting I dont get reasonable foam. But it's not the silky micro foam you get in a coffee shop. Something I was able to get very close to with the Sage machines. The Touch was particularly impressive as it does it itself, you just stick the jug under the wand.

I didnt get the fully automatic Delonghi as at the time it produced lukewarm milky coffee (I guess I could have stuck it in the microwave for 10 seconds). My in-laws got one of the latest gen ones recently and they've rectified that now. In terms of convenience it is actually very good. It will self clean after you're done, then you just stick the carafe in the fridge. If you make a couple of coffee's at a time it is actually very good. (Still comes with the manual attachment if you want to use it). But it doesnt procure silky micro foam like the Sage.

I'd love the Sage Oracle, which also has the auto tamp. But I just can't bring myself to spend that sort of money
Unreal price. I almost got this but got the La Specialista instead as the grind dial on this felt very cheap and I preferred the smart tamping feature of the La Specialista as it was less messy.

I'd have got this one though if it was this price at the time.
HotBot17/11/2019 10:47

Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price …Good price but a more automatic bean to cup can be had for a similar price and involves less faff!


I’ve had bean to cup before this and will never go back to bean to cup. This is like far better and once you’ll get used to it making coffee it’s easy and taste it’s 100% better than bean to cup.
wakkaday17/11/2019 12:09

how easy is it to master? and make cofee comparable to coffee shopsi …how easy is it to master? and make cofee comparable to coffee shopsi prefer laates


Couple of videos from YouTube and you’ll be fine. It’s all about right amount of coffee and right grind can’t go wrong. Just have to remember to service this regularly but cleaning products are very cheap to buy.
Tastes good in stuffing.
I’ve had one of these for around 5 years. For the money they’re hard to beat. Yes there’s a bit of practice to get consistent to begin with but it becomes second nature. It’s a superb machine.
I was hoping for just one day where something wasn't bought on HUKD. This has been a costly browse.
Tempted to purchase, was looking at the barista Pro, need to look at the pros and cons!
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Mentos17/11/2019 12:19

I currently have the Delonghi ECAM 420. Thanks for the video suggestion, …I currently have the Delonghi ECAM 420. Thanks for the video suggestion, I'll give it a try. I have checked a few already with no luck though. I'm not suggesting I dont get reasonable foam. But it's not the silky micro foam you get in a coffee shop. Something I was able to get very close to with the Sage machines. The Touch was particularly impressive as it does it itself, you just stick the jug under the wand.I didnt get the fully automatic Delonghi as at the time it produced lukewarm milky coffee (I guess I could have stuck it in the microwave for 10 seconds). My in-laws got one of the latest gen ones recently and they've rectified that now. In terms of convenience it is actually very good. It will self clean after you're done, then you just stick the carafe in the fridge. If you make a couple of coffee's at a time it is actually very good. (Still comes with the manual attachment if you want to use it). But it doesnt procure silky micro foam like the Sage.I'd love the Sage Oracle, which also has the auto tamp. But I just can't bring myself to spend that sort of money



I've De'Longhi Magnifica ESAM 4200, I take off the outer casing of the frother wand and try and use it as a standard wand. Reasonable results, but I can't say I've ever had anything close to coffee shop coffee out of it yet. No idea if it's the beans, the grind, the strength dial, the shot size dial or my milk skills. Too many variables!

Had been eyeing the higher end Delonghis that do the milk for you, but had been worried on all the temperature comments too. Which machine do you think rectified it? So many models!

Anyway, that dilemma has lead me to your way of thinking the unachievable Sage Oracle and the mad, but will probably talk myself up to it one day soon, Touch. I'll be waiting for that freak deal...

Just need a good flat white every morning please.
uczmeg18/11/2019 12:12

I've De'Longhi Magnifica ESAM 4200, I take off the outer casing of the …I've De'Longhi Magnifica ESAM 4200, I take off the outer casing of the frother wand and try and use it as a standard wand. Reasonable results, but I can't say I've ever had anything close to coffee shop coffee out of it yet. No idea if it's the beans, the grind, the strength dial, the shot size dial or my milk skills. Too many variables!Had been eyeing the higher end Delonghis that do the milk for you, but had been worried on all the temperature comments too. Which machine do you think rectified it? So many models!Anyway, that dilemma has lead me to your way of thinking the unachievable Sage Oracle and the mad, but will probably talk myself up to it one day soon, Touch. I'll be waiting for that freak deal...Just need a good flat white every morning please.



Sorry I can't remember the model number. Will have a look next time i'm over, but they live abroad so wont be for a few months

They got it about a year ago. Internally the Delonghi machines all tend to be the same. So I suspect any of the 2017/18 fully automatic B2C will have the temperature control to resolve the luke warm cappuccino issue. The milk frothing is still average though albeit automatic. Nothing like the Sage Touch.
NOW £364.99 at John Lewis. They have matched the price of Costco, and the black version on Amazon (which I bought 😁).
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